StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare IIIS: The Dungeon (Game over)

[Fate]

Uh... I don't really think playing with Fate is that big of a deal. I've been on a scumteam against townFate (who was also 2 players in the same game) and won.

WHAT THE FUCK?

LINK OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN.


OH.

THAT BULLSHIT SETUP WITH BULLETPROOF GODFATHER?

YEAH THAT DOESNT FUCKIN COUNT.

PLUS THE FIRST TIME I REPLACED IN I WAS INSTANTLY LYNCHED.

THE SECOND TIME YOU ALREADY HAD YOUR MISLYNCH LINED UP AND I FIGURED SPYREXS SHOT WOULD GO THROUGH.

SO NEITHER COUNT.


BTW:

HI EVERYONE. MY NAME IS FATE AND IM GONNA READ THIS THREAD AND NAIL SCUM. HAVE YOUR VOTES READY

[Fate]

I don't rock as scum .-. That wasn't a particularly good game on my part. Fate's just not as much of a threat to anyone as everyone makes him seem.
Yes I know you can see me saying all this Fate.

AND I KNOW YOU CAN SEE ME NAILING YOU AS SCUM EVERY TIME YOUVE BEEN SCUM.

SO.

LETS SEE IF YOURE SCUM THIS THREAD.

I THINK YOU ARE BASED ON THIS PAGE'S WORTH OF TRYING TO DISCREDIT ME AND SAYING "Oh hell being scum against Fate isnt ALL THAT Hard" NICE SCUM MINDSET.

DID XVART CLAIM? WHAT RULE DID HE BREAK?

[Fate]

*prepares earplugs*

I'll take it your scum this game.

I'll read through with that in mind.

We already have like 3 scum lynched right? This shit should be easy.

[Fate]

I'm on page 4, Parama is definitely scum.

VOTE: Parama

[Fate]

Not sure why the LLD wagon is happening, but she's still alive so I hope she claimed something good.

^This is Nero bussing LLD

OH LOOK WHO CALLED NERO AS SCUM OUT OF NOWHERE? HAI PARAMA.

AntiHero is town, so I do have some good news.

I'm not seeing the Espeonage hate, slight town read on him so far.
K, he said the word "lecture" he's town. If there's an Espeon wagon it needs to end now.

Oh boy is Parama scum. Coming in to post a translation post because its too awkward for him to post anything else?

Tasky is on the short list for his "tell me when you guiz find scum kthx" bullshit.

Stove is confirmed town when Parama flips scum, which is good because PapaZ is competent and such.

OH FUCK MANHOS PR.

GAWD IM TAKING A BREAK.

[Fate]

ME/KoC is town, which is bad news because KoC is god damned worthless.

VOTE COUNT
Blooderection (5): Parama, Antihero, Framm 18, Espeonage, Tasky
Baby Spice (6): The Stove, Lady Lambdadelta, chesskid3, Blooderection, Me=Weird, Twomz
chesskid3 (1): sakshijain
Lady Lambdadelta (2): Reckamonic, Nobody Special
Nobody Special (1): smargaret
Parama (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): bhavitgoyal, manho, Mafuyu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.


*is doing VC analysis*

CHRONO IS DOING FUCKING WHAT
?

I DIDNT EVEN SEE HIS ASS ON THE PLAYER LIST.

AW HELL NO.

UNVOTE
VOTE: CHRONOPIE

[Fate]

VOTE COUNT

Blooderection

(5): Parama,

Antihero,

Framm 18,

Espeonage

, Tasky

Baby Spice (9): The Stove, Lady Lambdadelta, chesskid3, Blooderection, Me=Weird,

,

Nobody Special

, Espeonage, Twomz, Tasky
chesskid3 (1): sakshijain
Lady Lambdadelta (2): Reckamonic,

Nobody Special

Nobody Special

(1): smargaret
Parama (1): Baby Spice
Not voting (3): bhavitgoyal, manho, Mafuyu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.

DOESNT LOOK SO GOOD FOR TWOMZ. (green are town reads in this case) THEN AGAIN TASKY IS TRYING TO CATCH UP IN THE USELESSLY SCUMMY DEPARTMENT RACE.


I think manho is town this game.

Oh what the hell is this?

"*accidental fast hammer"-Parama. PARAMA DOESNT EVEN CONSIDER A SCUM PLOY OF "pretending" IT WAS ACCIDENTAL? HAI SCUMBUDDY DEFENSE.

Especially since SC didn't clarify it was due to a miscounted vote until a few posts LATER, which means that Parama and Tasky had a NICE FUCKIN CHAT in the Scum QT about how it was a geniune accident.

FOS: People who still are calling BE scum in light of a BS flip (wasn't a lot of the bullshit case on them being scum together?) THIS MEANS YOU SMARG, PARAMA,

"Blooderection (6): Parama, The Stove, Lady Lambdadelta, Antihero, smargaret, Espeonage"

STOVE (????) ANTI HERO, ESPEON

Xvart says that Parama is likely SK. Upon rethinking things that does seem very likely given his play. aka he actually does have "town reads and scum reads" with the added scumminess of survival and playing towards his town meta.

Argh I could be down with an Espeon lynch, not liking his play post-mafia flips. Seems like he knows he's screwed and that his player slot will never be able to survive.

Hey guys, if I was scum, Mafuyu would know if I had a PR and what it was, right?

'nuff said.

Oh wait, isn't tasky that noob I got mislynched in [redacted]? Good lord...

Yeah more scumpoints for twomz that scummy bastard. He switched his vote to RECKAMONIC after a VT CLAIM?

HOLY FUCK THATS SOME SCARY WIND. THE HELL KIND OF DEMON STORM IS THIS?

I'll update smarg to town for goodposting.

"flips may not be accuratez" OK TWOMZ THANKS.

There is no Pustulio! It's just a pimple! A hypnotic pimple!

I stand by my policy that Chronopie is always scum. unvote, vote: Chronopie This is only slightly a joke.

FROM RECKAVOTE TO CHRONO SEMI JOKE VOTE?

K THX

Can we just lynch the scum and then get onto the next one later. BE reeked of so much scum the case wasn't needed. I did point out a really bad post or two of his though.

-Espeon

He said "i'll have something later" and then posts this garbage. Fuck my town read on him.

LLD has gone back to being scummy with scummily timed posts that lock any form of content.

OH THEN TWOMZ GOES BACK TO THE BE LYNCH.

I have a slight problem with the reveals that have occurred so far. Looking back, when 1 death happens at night, and it's of a mafia member (See: Day 2 start) and the previous night kill was not revealed, maybe due to a janitor (See: Day 1 Start), as well as 2 Day Kills, that both sprung mafia flips...

Doesn't this seem a little too easy? We haven't even lynched a scum yet... to the contrary, we have lynched a cop and a VT.

I'm thinking that maybe this day killer has some kind of millerizing effect AND/OR the Night kills are being masked by the mod or some other power.

In short: it seems unlikely to me that 3 scum are dead, and none of them have been lynched by us.
The one formerly known as 24mole. :')

F for content. Nice speculation princess.

Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.

I was right about something? Don't lynch me? Ah hell no this isn't the town Espeon I know and love.

Unvote:
Vote: Espeon

[Fate]

Uh oh.

Did Nacho just get a mod warning for being abrasive?

>_>
<_<

I thought I read the rules....

HOPEFULLY MODWARNINGS ARENT CUMULATIVE ON A PLAYER SLOT?

PLZ STRANGER IVE READ SO MUCH!! ILL E A GOOD BOI NOW

[Fate]

Who it the first one was to speak doing not trust itself of the throws? Whoever you are they be, I am town.

Good lord what the hell?

[Fate]

*rereads the rules*

You are not forced to like each other, but the fact that you badly want so and so offed does not give you the right to insult him or her. Please keep your hatred of people or groups thereof to yourself. Profanity is not in and of itself banned, but if it gets out of hand, it falls under this rule.

POSTING THAT I HAVE NOW READ AND UNDERSTOOD THIS RULE. FROM THIS POST ON LET MY POSTS BE SCRUTINIZED MORE SO IF THE CAVEAT IS THAT MY FIRST POSTS UPON REPLACING IN ARE GLANCED OVER WITH LENIENCY.

<3?

[Fate]

(reading Papa Zito's posting style gives me comfort though, as he is equally liberal with his curse words so long as they are GAME-RELATED and PLAY-RELATED curse words only, hopefully I'll be good. Just no personal attacks? Yeah I don't do those anyway).

[Fate]

^There are actually very tiny things. Like: If I'm getting run up to L-2 or closer when lynch is 4+ votes, I'm town. Can prove this, too.

When did I bring up my meta, again? .-.

...

[Fate]

Here's me not responding to PZ.

And now here's my dilemma.

I do want Espeonage dead, and he's already got a wagon going so I hate to abandon it. Also wagons are tech in and of themselves.

But then there's Parama, who hasn't contributed anything this game except for his lists, which aren't scumhunting and are virtually useless anyway, and now is really acting like he got caught and is hoping I'll just leave him alone.

I dunno. I need to talk this over with AGar I guess. Does the town in general have any desire to see a Parama wagon?

Unvote:
Vote: Parama

Didn't know there was support for it.

EspeonmcVIGBAIT isn't going to tell us anything.

A Parama flip will be nice and juicy.

Don't forget Chrono either.

[Fate]

Why was I prodded? >.<

Or hell, lynching princess here might be the best way to minimize claims today.

Shes REALLY grating my scumdarnerves with her refusal to post content ever.

[Fate]

Well, xvart's gone so I'm not gonna respond to that mess.

Espeonage, where's your vote?

THIS IS ME REPLACING XVART, LIKING HIS POINTS, AND DEMANDING YOUR RESPONSE.

PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

[Fate]

P-Edit: Antihero, shut up.

You have contributed less than I have.

In fact, about all you've said is "I should have hammered LLD". If you find me so god damn scummy, post a case FFS!

P-Edit: Antihero, shut up.

You have contributed less than I have.

In fact, about all you've said is "I should have hammered LLD". If you find me so god damn scummy, post a case FFS!

P-Edit: Antihero, shut up.

You have contributed less than I have.

In fact, about all you've said is "I should have hammered LLD". If you find me so god damn scummy, post a case FFS!

P-Edit: Antihero

You have contributed less than I have.

P-Edit: Antihero

You have contributed less than I have.

P-Edit: Antihero

You have contributed less than I have.

P-Edit: Antihero

You have contributed less than I have.

Oh hell no.

[Fate]

Dib! The warranty on your desk has worn out. Get a replacement from the pile.

Yo Fate. Tell me who to vote for or vote for Esp, thanks ahead of time. Also, I find it amusing that you're replacing into a SC game for someone who broke a rule. How does it feel to be coming full circle?

Feels good to be in a game with you and have a chance to read your alignment, because I was robbed of the chance at outing you as scum (though in complete honesty, it was going to take a cop inspection N2 or N3 because your day play was pretty good compared to others.)

AND NOW IM ALL CAUGHT UP.


TOWN
The Stove
manho
chesskid
KoC
Nacho
Tasky
smargaret
Antihero
Twomz

SCUMZ
Parama
Chronopie
LLD
Espeonage

Hell we might even want to massclaim.

Espeon could just as easly be town though, so I'd REALLYYYYY prefer a Parama wagon. Manho is spouting some bullshit about Chrono being town so PARAMA IT IZ.

[Fate]

Twomz, when Espe flips scum then I'll have pinned a 3rd scum this game. Yes I do bus as scum but I'm town in this game which means it's just good scumhunting.

DO YOU LIKE MILK IN YOUR CEREAL KILLER?

[Fate]

Fate did have a new read. He says Parama is scum.

I would much rather see Parama investigated than lynched, especially since we have other scummy people about today. I'm not getting the Espeonage wagon - I don't want a wall post, but is there anything other than his resemblance to Nobody Special that has Espeonage down as scum?

We have another cop? What?

If you arent GETTING the Espeon wagon you're GETTING on this one.

INVESTIGATION-IMMUNE SK FTW?

Look I'll make a case on Parama tonight after I get home, if thats REALLY what you want. He's scum six ways to sunday and we could really use one less NK at night (since as SK he'll have to hit town now to win)

[Fate]

Posting in some places but not others means I have nothing interesting to say in that particular game.

Would you rather meaningless fluff posting?

or just a lack of posting?

either way, very little content would come from forcing me to post when I have less to say. :/

--

Consider,

someone(s)

have a very accurate scumdar, and it's not the town as a whole.

IF

Fate had come up with some new reads, rather than parroting common opinion, we might actually manage to

lynch

scum, instead of letting the anonymous killer(s) do the job for us.

On the other hand, I am beginning to doubt some of my scum reads. After all, if both myself and Fate have picked Esp as scum, it just may be wrong...

SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM. YOURE WORTHLESS WHEN I REPLACE IN AND GIVE FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS "well if fate thinks it as well as me it might just be wrong herpa"

F THAT NOISE.

IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ITS ECAUSE YOURE SCUM/DEADWEIGHT.

[Fate]

1. I'm providing content unlike Espe and Chrono
2. I'm town, Espe and Chrono are not
3. [REDACTED]

Softclaiming isn't going to save your ass. Too bad so sad.

If you're a PR well then you shouldn't have scummed all over the place in some bastardly attempt to live.
But you clearly have no fear of the nightkill only lynch. NK+Investigation immune? Now that's harsh.

[Fate]

Well that's interesting to note.

So "lost" is just flavour. Okay... does that mean I'm Vanilla?

There is no Pustulio! It's just a pimple! A hypnotic pimple!

I stand by my policy that Chronopie is always scum.

unvote, vote: Chronopie

This is only slightly a joke.

I can link you to three completed Town-Chrono games

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 76&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 81&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 82&start=0

Well there goes your case.

Now seriously

--

Finished my reread. I too did not find any case on BE/Mothrax. How was he pushed to claiming?

--

Isn't that Manho's Post Restriction? to hide/color/size part/all of the text?

unvote, vote: sakshijain

That lost role thing was seriously weird. I want it better explained.

I'm pretty sure he just voted his own slot Predecessor...



VOTE: TF

Unvote:
Vote: Parama

I swear TO GOD if you let Parama SK me tonight and then herpa derpa let him live tomorrow I'll be fuming.

I'll have the case up on him in an hour or two, just to be extra sure.

[Fate]

OH HAI STOVE DIDN SEE YOUR NINJA THERE

(also lol I ended up voting parama in my last post not chrono so EVERYTHINGS ALL GOOD ANYWAY)

[Fate]

...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.

So you're actually trying this game?

YOU KNOW WHAT THA-oh you're M=W...

[Fate]

I got tasky mislynched just by blinking in his direction one time D1. He's just that bad, KoC.

I mean theres a SHIT TON of players that are JUST THAT BAD this game, but hell. That's why I want a massclaim to sort out the VERIFIABLE ____ PLAYERS and the ___SCUM players

*___'s edited out due to promise to SC

[Fate]

I still maintain that Chrono may just as well be not having anything to say because he really has nothing to offer this game.
/politeFate

Must.
Contain.
Rage....

[Fate]

Normally Chrono is OBVOBVSCUM and I can read him like a book.

This game he's just worthless as hell.

I mean, I want him DEAD and all but...

OH YEAH THAT PARAMA CASE.

PLEASE HOLD.

[Fate]

I'm going to take a page from Ellibereth's book here.

Town:
Mafuyu
Antihero

Null:
Me=Weird
Espeonage

Scum:
LLD
smargaret

Can't translate atm:
chesskid3

Haven't Posted:
Everyone else

Call me when we stop discussing post restrictions, please.

Why in the HELLLLL would townParama try to change up his meta? Parama's usually an arrogant asshole, so this "i'll take a page from Ellie's meta and scumhunt that way"

1. Lists are easy for reasons already mentioned somewhere (possibly by xvart)
2. He WAS changing up his meta by adding this in, despite previous comments that stalled xvart's suspicion
3. Other SKmotivations for lists include: actually trying to scumhunt in a way that isn't aggressive so he doesn't get a lot of attention/organizing his scum lists so he can take shots and set up a vig claim/etc.
4. The fact he SAYS "This is a page from ELLIES ook BTW" shows how concerned he is with how he looks, why announce it? Why not just make a goddamned list? I've seen Parama make lists before, but this time he makes SURE everyone knows "hey ellie does, a well established meta-playah, so don't hate for it"
5. SCUMSUCIMSCUSCMSUCMSUCM

And this is just his first post.

[Fate]

Don't think there's enough to go on yet.

>9 pages
>Not enough to go on

Nice quote out of context there Parama. In your case though there's plenty to go on.

VOTE: Parama

Thanks for telling me all your evidence against me.

Also that's not out of context what are you talking about

'NUFF SAID

""hahahaha I just noticed CN had only two seats in this thread before it dayvigged. ahahahahahah"

I <3 Google Translator

/pointless post" posts for the sake of posting, I can point out plenty of times he does this, especially considering there was a whole PAGE and a half of shit to comment on between this post and his last.

You need to stop joining so many games, then.

Mafuyu, vote Baby or BE. Both are totally valid wagons.
P.S. You've played with Elli in Al-habet Mafia.

Because I forgot about that game when I asked.
Anyways I'm kinda stealing from Elli's meta this game with all the lists so yeah

More evidence of Ellie mentioning. As if to say "if Im scummy for this its ELLIES META NOT MINE DUN LYNCH ME GUIZ"

For future reference:
In an impossible scenario where BS is scum and BE isn't, Tasky is scum with BS.
I say impossible scenario because both BE and BS are scum, but we can only lynch one today :<

Weak connections are weak. NOTE THE POST FOR LATER WHEN BS DOESN'T FLIP SCUM AND HE MAKES NO ADJUSTMENTS

Oh by the way I'd like to have both killing roles accounted for, because one of them's a SK. Most definitely. There's a SK in a SWN game, shock and awe. Pretty sure it's the night one, because Mafuyu had town reads on her while the daykills did not.

FIRST MENTION OF A SK? YOU BET. Also an odd ass post given how sexy the daykiller was being, and how if there was a SK it'd be the NKillin one FO SHO.

Yes xvart, see my sig. I play to my town meta as SK. I play to my town meta as mafia, too ^.^

Scum is this I don't even?

Thank god.
I want a claim and reactions to claim before hammering. because BE will flip scum but

Why? That's not the reckless parama I know.

While we're on the subject of "too many replacements"...
9 Replacements in a Mini
14 Replacements in a Large Normal

*is patiently waiting for a mothrax lynch and will do nothing until mothrax is dead*

Been hashed out already.

Town:
Tasky
The Stove
LLD
smargaret

Null:
Antihero
Twomz
Me=Weird
Espeonage
chesskid3
Chronopie
xvart
manho
Reckamonic

Scum:
Toon Fighter

SPEAKING OF LISTS, ain't this one fresh and fuckin amazing.

OKAY THAT SETTLES IT.

We have 3 flipped mafia goons :>
Nacho, are you the daykiller?

Yup.

Hey xvart, when did you start ignoring me? You really wanted me dead yesterday IIRC.

Look who's concerned with who suspects him and who doesn't?

That's what I thought.

^There are actually very tiny things. Like: If I'm getting run up to L-2 or closer when lynch is 4+ votes, I'm town. Can prove this, too.

When did I bring up my meta, again? .-.

I think I already quoted this on my catchup post.

Uh... I don't really think playing with Fate is that big of a deal. I've been on a scumteam against townFate (who was also 2 players in the same game) and won.

K now here we are full circle.

WHAT KIND OF REACTION TO A REPLACEMENT IS THIS? "Psh I've been against a townFate as scum and won [once, and only bc fate had no real impact on the game due to replacement timing. I'll also omit all those other times Fate nailed me as scum D1 because I'm ashamed of them]"

Not "yay Fate!" or "ZOMG HERE COME DA CAPS" or "Mhmm should be easier to get a read on Xvart's slot now"
YET "Oh fuck Fate! He'll catch me, I'm scared, lemme discredit his reads real quick!?!?"

I don't rock as scum .-. That wasn't a particularly good game on my part. Fate's just not as much of a threat to anyone as everyone makes him seem.
Yes I know you can see me saying all this Fate.

SEE ABOVE. I AM A GODDAMNED THREAT AND THATS WHY I GET KILLED ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I also know that you read the entire thread under bias that you believe I was scum, so you're seeing things that aren't there.

I didn't just assume something for kicks and fucking giggles, your first posts when I replaced in were off. Then I read the thread normally, thought you were scum for the list thing, xvart strengthened the case on you and said you were more likely a SK, I agreed due to interaction with dead scum, etc.

AND THATS MY TWO CENTS. ESPEONWAGON YOU DIE NOW.

[Fate]

...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.

So you're actually trying this game?

YOU KNOW WHAT THA-oh you're M=W...

I try every game. You've seen me replace in, I do these walls every time.

I forgot what game that was. You replaced in and I thought you were scum in another game because you didn't try or something....

[Fate]

heheh

hAHHAHAHA

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

"IMPORTANT MEMBER OF TOWN"
+
SELF-VOTE=
NO PR FAKECLAIM FOR YOU.

AHWHAHHAHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

PARAMA IS PROUD OF HIS "NEVER BIN LYNCHEDDDDDD" RECORD

HES SELF-VOTING AND TAUNTING US.

NOT A TOWN TELL.

NOT A TOWNTELL AT ALL.

HAMMER NOW WITHOUT CLAIM AND JUSTICE WILL BE DISPENSED DURING THE NIGHT.

[Fate]

OH NOW HE IS GONNA BE SERIOUS GUYZ

WATCH OUT.

[Fate]

Now that's what I like to see! yesss yesss

(and +100 mod points for letting me keep my first slot on the wagon. I LOVE that slot.)

[Fate]

3. hey wanna see my previous SK games? I was pretty aggressive in those and ended up killed by mafia because they thought I was cop

lolmeta dammit.

"HEY WANT TO SEE WHY I CHANGED MY FUCKIN PLAYSTYLE WHEN I ROLLED SK THIS DAY BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO GET NK'D?

HERE, I"LL SHOW YOU:"

[Fate]

1. List are good reference material too.
2. My meta still involves not liking you. Also lolmeta.
3. hey wanna see my previous SK games? I was pretty aggressive in those and ended up killed by mafia because they thought I was cop
4. no that was because someone asked
5. TNWTOWNTOWTNWOTNWTOWTNWTO

1. YEAH I KNOW
2. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO- Oh lolmeta? I forgot you hated meta. BUT THEN WHY DID YOU USE I TTO DEFEND YOURSELF EARLIER AND ALSOE HERE:
3. DEFENDMETADEFENDMETA
4. Not you said it was a page from ELLIE's book, right off the goddamned bat. RIGHT AWAY UNPROVOKED you said it was Ellie's, not after someone asked "y u makin lists?"
5. DEPRDEPRDPERDAERP

Nice response to the rest of my points btw

[Fate]

Parama is making my head hurt.

Wait, did Chesskid just call a flipped townie scum? Lol. Why are more people not voting chesskid for this?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: chesskid

Your town read is gone.

You chewed it up, spit it out, and set it on fire.

[Fate]

I think you're incapable of being productive as town.

You need to VOTE main wagons or make a case good enough so that it BECOMES a main wagon.

This "herpa derpa chess isn't payin attention" isn't good enough.

[Fate]

I think you're incapable of being productive as town.

You need to VOTE main wagons or make a case good enough so that it BECOMES a main wagon.

This "herpa derpa chess isn't payin attention" isn't good enough.

No, I have to vote for who I think is scum. If that person doesn't happen to be a main wagon, that doesn't change my read.

Sorry for not being a sheep, but I'm not going to vote someone when I don't have a scumread on them when we're in no danger of no-lynch.

You need to take a time out and head over to the MD thread.

This is a LARGE FUCKIN GAME. You need to be on the most viable wagon or you need to make something viable.

I'm not going to sit here and debate theory with you. You either take a leading wagon you agree with (don't tell me ALL the wagons are on town right now), or you stay in my scum reads.

@ANTIHERO: I don't care how transparently you think you can read Parama its because he's not mafia he's SK SO LETS GET IT ON.

[Fate]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Happy Fate?

@ Mod I'll be V/LA Tuesday through Sunday with Thanksgiving stuff.

Reasonably.

Tasky fullclaim in your next post or I will turn my laser beams on you.

This is not a role fish. This is not a request. This is a demand that will end in your death if not met in a timely manner.

[Fate]

UNVOTE: VOTE: The Stove

Coulda sworn I'd posted yesterday. guess not...

Brief points: Parama/Stove feels TvT.

Manho's #828 is just... denial for the sake of denial. No real effort made in defending. Scum vibes.

LLD is fluffy. Whether fluffy scum or fluffy town...

Nacho made a good entry in to the game (better than I did at least), town read there too.

Summary: VOTE: Manho,

FoS: LLD

Parama | Stove | Nacho are prob-town

Null on everyone else.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Chronopie

UNVOTE: VOTE: smargaret

VOTE: Toon Fighter

Parama, why do you think I am town? In particular, what changed since post 543?

4 Prime Examples of Tasky not explaining ANY of his votes? Including his most recent one .

Is it common practice to vote without giving reasonsing?

The Stove (1): Lady Lambdadelta

What the hell? What are you doing?

[Fate]

Fate... I've explained why my vote Is on Stove.

When deadline draws nearer, if nothing changes I'll join a larger wagon.

Otherwise, I like where my vote is right now.

Good LORD do I have to play MD McGoodplay AGAIN.

You vote on Stove is worth a sack of rocks. He's not going to feel pressured from hit, morever you ARENT pressuring him, questioning his recent posts, building a case on him NOTHING.

You basically made a case when you voted him and now have said :yeah i like it here tehee:

AND THATS WHY YOURE NOT PRO-TOWN REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU READ AS SUCH.

NOW.

YOU WANT US TO LYNCH STOVE TODAY? PUSH UP THAT HILL SISYPHUS ITS NOT HAPPENING BUT IF YOU PUSH THEN THE EFFORT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY BE PRO-TOWN? MOVE YOUR VOTE TO A GODDAMNED VIABLE WAGON, SEE IT THROUGH, AND THEREFORE.

THE PROBLEM WITH THESE GODDAMN "I like my vote here herp until deadline" IS THAT ITS POINTLESS. YOU DONT NEED YOUR VOTE ON HIM TO COMMUNICATE THAT YOU THINK HE IS SCUM. WE GET IT. USE YOUR VOTE TO OUT CLAIMS.

IF YOU OUT PARAMAS, TASKYS, CHRONOS, ETC IN THAT ORDER MAYBE WELL GET TO STOVE TODAY IF WE HAVENT LYNCHED SOMEONE YET.

THE MINDSET: "we can just sit around with our thumbs up our ass till deadline when we have to actually lynch someone" IS SCUMMY AS HELL AND COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.

GORAMEAMANETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

ANTIHERO IS SCUM AS WELL FOR SAYING 'im not ouching that parama wagon" BUT DOING NOTHING TO PUSH ANY WAGON ANY OTHER WAY.

RAAAAAAAAAA

PE EDIT: WHAT KOC SAID

[Fate]

But it isnt one for Chrono.

I legitimely believe he has nothing of interest to contribute to this game, due to his own incompetence and not alignment.

PARAMA on the other hand ISNT avoiding this thread and is STILL posting shit.

[Fate]

Have you ever been town in a game with me?

Yeah CEBM doens't count so yeah.

Therefore you are always scum, I am always right, and you will always die.

[Fate]

LADY I SEE YOU VIEWIN THIS FORUM GOD DAMN IT.

Dear lord smarg yo uget your own post. Holy fuck.

[Fate]

Eh, I'm not sure I buy Parama's logic for why Charlie must be town, but I'm more sure Tasky is scum.

Fate, all you've done since your catch-up post is complain about people not wagonning - admittedly I'm not the all-knowing Mafia God you are, but what you're doing feels an awful lot like rolefishing.

EBWOP: Parama, if you think Twomz is the dayvig (which is what I assume you mean by sk), he's shot scum for us. Still think he should die?

Also, where's Nacho? I know he was signed onto MS earlier tonight.

Role-fishing? ROLEFUCKINFISHING?

You are kidding right? You get another million scumpoints for trying to throw dirt on the validity of my town play.

If I wanted to know everyone's role I would force a massclaim. INSTEAD I want claims from the scummiest people of town, and if they aren't valid I want them dead.

HOW THE FUCK can you go from "I think tasky is scum I want him dead"

TO

"Fate is demaning tasky to claim, that is rolefishing and (I won't say scummy because then Fate will tear me a new asshole) yeah" IN THE SAME MINDSET? IF YOU THOUGHT TASKY WAS SCUM YOUD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM CLAIMING!

YOU FUCKED UP. YOURE ON THE SHORT LIST NOW.

[Fate]

Also what a horrible misrep. Complain? COMPLAIN? IM TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO ACT MORE PRO TOWN THAN THEY ARE.

IF YOU DO NOT SEE THE TOWN MOTIVATIONS BEHIND THIS...
BEHIND ACT-

FUCK THERES OS MUCH WRONG WITH THIS POST.

1. If you have something AGAINST people wagoning then PROVIDE MAFIA THEORY COUNTER POINTS TO THE VALIDITY OF WAGONING as good town play. Otherwise I am right and you are wrong and you are essentially trying to call me scum for propogating pro-town play.
2. Also role-fishing? HOW IS IT ROLEFISHING?

No seriously.

Unvote:
Vote: smargaret

Parama you get to live you useless sack of shit. I want this scum dead first.

FATE LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE PARAMA. TRY AND REFUTE IT FOR HIM AND ILL HAVE YOU IN THE NOOSE LIKE I WANTED

[Fate]

Wait wait wait...

Let me get this straight.

Because someone disagreed with you, they are now scum?

Disagree with me how? I ASKED YOU TO RESPOND TO MY GODDAMN POINT THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS ANTI-TOIWN.

YOU ARENT TRYING TO MAKE A CASE ON STOVE, YOU ARENT PRESSURING HIM, YOU ARENT DOING SHIT. YOU ARE ANTI-TOWN. THATS WHAT I LYNCH. ANTI-TOWN. THATS WHY STOVE WILL NOT DIE BEFORE ANY OF YOU REGARDLESS.

If youre talking about smarg disagreeing with me and becoming scum, you have it wrong. SMARG IS SCUM FOR TRYING TO THROW DIRT ON MY PRO-TOWN PLAY AND HAVING DISSONANCE BETWEEN "THINKING" TASKY IS SCUM AND CALLING ME ASKING FOR TASKY'S CLAIM ROLEFISH.

IF SMARG WERE TOWN:
"YEAH I AGREE TASKY SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT AWAY"

BUT NO

SMARG IS SUCM TASKY IS TOWN.

NOW GO WAGON GO. PARAMA HOP ON IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.

I WILL READ THOSE INTERACTIONS LATER PARAMA. RIGHT NOW IM GOING TO COOL OFF.

[Fate]

Why random vote when there's content to analyze?

Early game distancing is enough for you to clear people Parama?

Scumhunting never was your strongsuit.

NEWAY

smarg thought Tasky was scum.

I say "Tasky should claim!"
I explain my motivations for wanting people to wagon more, with a possible outcome being we out all the claims of people we find scummy.
Smarg misreps this to me rolefishing, smarg does not say shae agrees with tasky claiming or anything.
Smarg belittles my play since I caught up, even though my play has been trying get everyone to TRY and be pro-town.

NOW. When I threw out my posts I knew at LEAST one scumbag would jump at the chance to make an easy role-fishing accusation. SERIOUSLY who could resist? Smarg is that scum bag.

Without a doubt.

Unvote:
Vote: Parama

[Fate]

It looks like she knew he was scum WAAAAY before the rest of the thread did.

Also I was talking about Parama's scumhunting...

My god, are you two the last scum Antihero? Did you just overreact and defend your buddy because if you two don't survive its all OVAR?

Heh. Don't worry, there's enough lynched and kills left to get through Chrono and the gang of worthless town and you'll still be left.

You'll be left all right.

[Fate]

Because of the way you JUST tried to throw dirt on my play "since my catchup" IM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO RESPOND BY THE WAY:

1. How is it rolefishing
2. Do you have any concerns with my views on bandwagonning and how it is pro-town?

AND ALSO NEW ONES:
1. Your votes on NO ONE, this is counter-productive as hell.

"I think that's enough for tonight. Is there a preference for who I should read/post about next?"
Asking what to comment on iS SCUMMY. Who the hell do YOU think is scummiest? Why don't you comment on people in the order YOU deem important?

BECAUSE YOU ARE GODDAMNED SCUM WITH ANTIHERO BUT IM LYNCHING SERIALKILLERS FIRST BUT ILL GET BACK TO YOU CLOWNS.

[Fate]

Yes, I am defending smargaret, fate. I'm also defending parama. What now?

I also think you're the brain tumor that's paralyzing this game.

How do you like that?

You went OUT OF YOUR WAY considerably to defend smargaret on what you appered to be an attack on her.

Was there a wagon on her? No. Was there a legitimate threat to her? No.
IS there a wagon on Parama? Yes.

So your defense of one or the other are TWO entirely different things.

I don't like it, but then again you're scum so its just bullshit and not an actual opinion of yours. You'd like to think the guy that replaces in, jumpstarts content and gets this game into third gear AND calls you out as scum "is paralyzing the game" but it is a baseless statement that isn't supported in your posts AT ALL and is clearly an attempt to discredit my reads without calling me scum (because you can't make a case on me).

[Fate]

Let me help you get from A to B here, since I'm fairly confident in both of my reads on you two.

Smarg calls Tasky scum.
You enforce the idea of running up wagons on Tasky, Chrono, Parama until they claim, and if you can't validate the claims, you want them lynched.
Smarg calls rolefishing on the basis that you want to run up wagons until you find something your satisfied with.

I still stand by the fact that if a reasonable townie were looking at the situation and had me read as town (will check to see if smarg even ever HAD a read on me, my guess is no stance was take on me), that she would interpret it as "wagon people, they claim, if its believable move to the next one, etc." AKA STANDARD PLAY. Aka she shouldn't have had a problem with it OR called it rolefishing (I want her to explain how it is without stretching it out of proportion).

You blow up because she calls you for rolefishing on Tasky.
You see what you're missing here?
Honestly, you can't tell me you honestly believe 100% that there is no rolefishing involved in offering to run up 3 wagons to claim in order to get what you want.
Rolefishing ain't completely negative, dog. I agree that we should get claims of people, force them into a stance that they might be uncomfortable taking but then forcing them to stay the course or be lynched if they deviate.

Rolefishing is a negatively charged word, and she linked it to my standard play. And no I don't believe there was any rolefishing involved, I basically offered to "run up scummy people to a claim, if their claim saves them so be it, if not they die" thats just regular play. The way I phrased it might have seemed off, but meh.

EITHER WAY, I'm sticking with my Parama vote. So we can shelve this for later.

[Fate]

Fate did have a new read. He says Parama is scum.

I would much rather see Parama investigated than lynched, especially since we have other scummy people about today. I'm not getting the Espeonage wagon - I don't want a wall post, but is there anything other than his resemblance to Nobody Special that has Espeonage down as scum?

Seriously Stove, re-read smarg's ISO.

This only REFCENT posting.

1. "I dun get that lurker lynch"-CLASSIC scum distancing from a mislynch, which I believe Espeon is.
2. She voted Chesskid for horribad reasons that I have ALREADY pointed out
3. Her Tasky vote was "to see wut fate would do" ok so I did. NOW WHATS YOUR READ?
4. I haven't seen her have a read on me, still looking.
5. Hey Smargscum, since you're taking suggestions as to who to fakescumhunt, why not grace us with your analysis of ANTIHERO?

[Fate]

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ASKING WHY FATE IS A F#$@ING BRAIN TUMOR?

It's a 49 page game, he went through and picked out Parama for some stupid crap and starts the psycho-tunneling, and completely ignoring the lurkerscum chronopie. And then when I call him out on his new, unfounded bullshit smarg read, I'm now scum.

P. Edit -

Dear Fate,

You're probably not scum, but your read SUCK! S-U-C-K. Harder than an episode of the Daily Show.

Love,

-AH

1. Daily show doesn't suck, you fail.
2. I'm more confident that smarg is scum, not so sold as you as the buddy yet, but your defense of her is utterly shit. So you're not really that huge a scumread
3. I'm willing to bet cash money I can read Chronopie better and more accurately than you.
4. I'll be justified post-game, so your insults don't phase me.

[Fate]

*doesn't look at it, but pretends he remembers all the players in the game all the he likely doesn't*

What the fuck's your point?

[Fate]

Vagueness is cruise control for Anti-Town.

[Fate]

Oh you're saying "look at dat player list, look at dat thread, look much lurkinz goin on"

Yeah ok. So lets just lynch randomly in the fuckin dark when we have a DAY VIG. My reads are on the people contributing, so sure, they may be Fated to "suck." BUT in terms of pro-town play wagoning active players > lynching lurkers. A mislynch of a townie will tell us 100X more than a scumlynch of a lurker.

"but then how do we lynch lurker scumz?" DAYVIG. And tomorrow, MASSCLAIM.

So there.

[Fate]

"ok, whatever" Either agree or disagree, the hell's wrong with you? Why don't you want to make some grand case about how we should lynch Chronolurkerscum today and how that lynching lurkers CAN be good town play or ANYTHING?

I mean, I know you dont ACTUALLY want Chrono lynched today (if you are scum) because he's a great target to park your vote on because his play is such shit and easy to make a case on.

[Fate]

Stove if she leaves her vote on me and goes V/LA, I'll have no choice but to get her lynched.

I hope you understand. She is incredibly obvscum.

[Fate]

- I'm trying to go for the biggest wagons first, but if you have a burning desire to hear what I think about, say, Parama

Here's the problem though, at the time of you posting, Parama IS the biggest wagon.

Yet what did you do?

You posted a paragraph on why Espeon was a nullread and "not enough to vote on" a couple of quotes on why Chronopie is a terrible player, and then said "that's enough for tonight."

1. "im trying to go for main wagons" preceded by cases on two FUCKIN LURKERS = DISSONANCE =SCUM
2. No IT WASNT ENOUGH for tonight. How many hours have you still been online? But you haven't been reading through or doing much of ANY real content except responding to things as they come at you. AKA Reactionary play.

3. Im not calling for a massclaim TODAY, what? I want the serial killer lynched first. One kill flying at night >>> two kills. So I'm not conceding anything, nice try.
4. Unless you are going to make some GRAND and COMPLETE case on me, you voting me before you go V/LA is ANTI-TOWN AND SCUMMY. It gives you an excuse to not be on the main wagon of the day or pressure any of your scumreads or ANYTHING. If you were actually FUCKIN TOWN and in your slot you'd be pushing for the Chronoscum read that you have, since his wagon is 1000x more viable than mine.
5. You picked the wrong person to vote as scum, toots.


Stove you're going to have to go over this town read with me REAL close and it better not contain any bullshit "interactions with scum" because I REFUSE to accept those as any more than circumstancial evidence.

[Fate]

1. Yeah, I and I alone think Parama is scum. That's an accurate representation of the situation form a town perspective, HAH
2. Excuses excuses, all I see is scum who made two crap analysis and then called it a night
3. If its not warranted tomorrow I won't push for it. Simple as that, you saying I claimed scum through my own logic ("you said if you were rolefishing you'd do X! AND LOOK YOURE DOING X! HAHA UR SCUM!) is pretty pathetic.
4. I'll be here waiting with much anticipation. Good luck with that case, I've never been lynched as town without a guilty outside of LyLo.
5. The fact that I can form the letters into a word and direct it at you? That's what makes me think I can. Other than that, I won't do it again if it upsets you so much, but try not to let little things like this ruffle your feathers.

[Fate]

WTF?!
so much spam.

just one question:
Fate, why are you voting Parama over smargaret? she is scum, you know that and yet you vote for a dubious scum-read.

Are you paying attention?

smarg has no votes on her.

If I vote smarg I'm not better than LLD, and I become a hypocritical politician.

Parama is also the SK, so if we kill him we can massclaim tomorrow, which I really want.

[Fate]

Ok.

Fate's arguments (re: what to do with votes etc) are 100%, completely correct. And it is sterling protown for him to try to edumacate the masses.

Now, those

resisting

the arguments aren't automagically scums tho; that's where Fate falls down a little bit.

Fate, I get what you're saying but remember this is all theory. Disagreeing based on theory != scumminess. Was some misrepping involved? Yeah a bit but it wasn't

pushed

amirite?

Not pushed? SHE IS VOTING ME.That means her case is largely going to involve this bullshit misrep. Just wait for her to make it.

Seriously Stove, re-read smarg's ISO.

Ok.

My problem tho is that smargaret is one of our townie reads (though it's not reaaaaally strong) and so I'd really rather we sort out the VIs/lurkers/etc and then go after that one lone scumplayer who's actually trying.

Trying? TRYING?

Her vote has been on, CHESSKID, YOU, ME. (I think its been on you, yeah im pretty sure). TRYING? Shes TRYING to waste time and move votes around on people that have no chance of getting lynched and has made no effort to get them done so.

Chesskid vote: "Lol he called a dead townie scum hes scum"
Stove vote: "I agree with LLD's madness"
Tasky vote: "Reaction fish lulz?" <-Needs to be fully explained, hasn't commented on my reaction.
Fate vote: "U R rolefishin, ill have case LATA"

[Fate]

+ scumpoints for starting out as a lurker-

I refuse to read the rest of this case.

Stove, read it for me. Lynch worthy bullshit?

[Fate]

I read it, obviously, just wanted to see what you would say.

Now let me dismantle it limb from limb for the shitcase it is.

[Fate]

First in the Case Against Fate, Bhavitgoyal. His iso is reproduced in entirety below:

Yeah, there's nothing. Nada. Not a single post. + scumpoints for starting out as a lurker. So he gets replaced by xvart.

Thanks KoC, saved me the time. OBV Case padding is OBV

Xvart doesn't post any sort of response to the game so far, just jumps right in. Now, I can tell that this is sometimes hard to do, but the BS wagon looked so scummy, surely there was something to comment on there? Just jumping in isn't a playstyle I'm familiar with - most people seem to at least skim the thread when they replace in, especially if it's under 30 pages when they do so. xvart did no such thing.

xvart didn't read the thread? Lemme check.

He said he didn't read it

fully

, not not at all. And this is lazy play not scummy play by him. He also did the only thing that matters (no one else had done) VC analysis, so it isn't like his chesskid vote was entirely baseless without reading the thread.

xvart starts rolefishing. Yeah, I was softclaiming, but there wasn't a real need for a fullclaim - I offered later in the day, and only one other person said that they wanted me to claim. So I'm already predisposed to think Fate is rolefishing when he talks about running people up to get a claim.

There was a need. IIRC you guys didn't even let him claim. And your softclaim lead to his MISLYNCH. Obviously your "information" wasn't accurate, it was bullshit. Xvart trying to tie you down to a claim "yes he's 100% scum, lynch is a go" was BASIC PRECAUTIONARY ACTIONS, that if taken, MIGHT HAVE SAVED US that mislynch.

Also you admit that you are PREDISPOSED to thinking that I am the same player as xvart therefore my strategy will be exactly the same. (aka rolefish, as if that's all scum fucking focus on).

Then there's the mess with the post restrictions. Pushing a series of policy lynches instead of scumhunting (and that's the important part, the INSTEAD OF SCUMHUNTING - xvart wanted to go through and lynch chesskid day 2, then the other two prs days 3 and 4 if we didn't hit scum) is a bad idea any day but day 1 - there's stuff to actually scumhunt on, and xvart ignored it in favor of an unsupported policy lynch.

I just read through his ISOs 9-12 and that looks like a SHITLOAD of scumhuntign to me. xvart apparently thought this game could be broken and that SC would balance out PRs the same way he did last time. Misguided and anti-town? Yeah. Scummy? Meh, if you think scum are gonna sit there and say "I want ot line up these three lynches based off post-restrictions" as a strategy? Not likely.

Funny, xvart thought Parama was the sk as well. Does anyone who knows the xvart and Fate better than I do know if it's likely that they'd get the same exact read like that? Not even dayvig/sk/delayed nk, but agreeing on the role?

hey read my god damn ISO. I thought Parama was scum on my catch up UNTIL xvart pointed out SK. That made alot more sense given Parma's interaction so yeah, I agreed with him. You implying that "Fate's scum because he took xvart's reads and mirrored it" are UNFOUNDED. You think scum strategy upon replacing in is "I'll have the same exact reads as my predecessor and push the same cases" then you aren't a very thoughtful townie are you.

Let me be more specific:

The Stove

- why did you not vote BE yesterday instead of Baby Spice? What changed overnight that made you insta vote BE without further evidence or justification?

LL

- why did you not vote BE yesterday instead of Baby Spice? What changed overnight that made you insta vote BE without further evidence or justification (other than your "amazing scum hunting skills)?

xvart.

More rolefishing, but this is more subtle - the only thing that's happened since BS's lynch was BS's flip, the nk/dayvig, and any night actions people may have. So pushing these people specifically is essentially asking them to admit to night actions and possibly describe them = rolefishing. This is the towniest of all the rolefishing this spot has done, but it's still pushing it.

You admit that he's being townie by trying to get reads on people who have made sudden changes in stances. IF YOU THINK assuming that everyone who had a change of reads "has pr info, don't press them on it" you're gonna get worked over by scum.

Nothing wrong with the self-meta? And the "I'd be happy with this lynch" sounds scummy, especially after I softclaimed - you should want to lynch scum.

You softclaimed so everyone should stay away from your lynch. "this is scummy because he should want to lynch scum, and im not scum" my GOD that is horrible VI logic. I don't think you're really this bad, I think you're scum. Its a compliment.

He's tunnelling on chesskid, not that chesskid's necessarily town, but come on, there's at least one more scum plus a possible sk out there! Then he starts posting to Stove, which is actually decent posting, but gets him ejected and in comes Fate.

So you admit he makes :goodposting: about other plays, I don't get it. Also if chesskid isn't necessarily town, then why don't you say "tunneling and possible bussing" or ANY form of scum linkage between your two reads? Fabricated case is fabricated. Also if you are so worried about the number of scum then why the hell is your vote on me? I'm not going to get lynched today or feel pressured, AND THERE ARE OTHER SCUMZ OUT DERE.

I see
-random voting as things come up, with frequent position changes - I don't know about how Fate usually replaces in, is the stream of consciousness catchup typical? That style always comes across as scummy and trying to distract town to me because it drags on and on and on and revives issues that were buried long ago. See in particular his view on Espeon - obvtown wagon must stop NAOW to voting.

How the FUCK is that style scummy? Seriously, think to yourself:

"I am scum replacing into the game. Would it be better for me to:
1. Read the whole game and then come up with a game plan after that so I can be flexible with my options
2. Read and comment as I go"

NOW THINK
"I am town replacing into a game. Would it be better for me to:
1. Comment as I go so that my reads are pure and geniune as they come, since I'm not worried about changing them later, what's important is that I get an accurate read of the game.
2. Read the whole game and then make a summary of what's happened and likely lose any good comments I had about early game interactions (which most players that don't have fresh eyes aren't thinking about ANYWAY so its better to bring up)"

SERIOUSLY. The way I catch up is the most goddamn pro-town style there is. THATS WHY I DO IT.

But I thought you wanted claims from Tasky, Chrono, and Espeonage?

See you're misrepping me, the only situation in which all 3 of them would claim is if we wagonned them, they claimed something provable, and then we wagonned the others etc. THIS WOULDNT HAPPEN because I'm sure we would just lynch the first onewith a shoddy claim (Chrono's recent claim in particular would've been hammered on sight).

But yeah, I've changed my stance on whether we should massclaim or not because of my reads. Sometimes LLD is so scummy I just want the claimed vanilla dead and no more claims to be outed. Sometimes my reads are so weak I have no idea who's scum and a massclaim would help a shit ton.

And sometimes, scum make the grave error of making a shitcase on me.

See above about beating a dead horse when you post stream of consciousness catchups. That's a style thing though, and not sufficient for a vote in and of itself - but it does make me more inclined to vote Fate.

So I didn't see that Parama had already asked for it. You yourself say "its a style thing" but hten say "Im more likely to vote Fate because of it" WHAT THE FUCK? HOW CAN YOU ADMIT SOMETHING IS A FUCKIN NULL TELL (lets ignore the fact that it should be a towntell) AND THEN GO ON TO SAY YOU WOULD VOTE FOR IT?

Hell we might even want to massclaim.

Yeah, this is important. Fate is waffling between wanting limited claims, mass claims, and minimizing claims - this is not the pulled-together (opinion-wise, anyway) town Fate I know.

Town Fate you know from where? One D1 from one game together? Specific links and examples are needed.

Meta isn't always applicable ESPECIALLY on replacements. The whole FLOW of this game would've been different if I were here from square 1, and thus my play would be different. For instance, when I replace in as scum I'm usually caught very quickly because it is just so de-motivating to come into a game where I have no control over anything.

Pretty sure Tasky's voted since this post. Also pretty sure Fate's ignored it.

Okay, let's talk about my reaction to the Tasky reaction vote. I couldn't tell whether Fate's "You chewed up the town read and spat it out" was serious or pressure and tbh, I don't really like people assuming the role of town leader. So I wanted to see whether Fate would reverse his read just as quickly if I stepped back in line. So I did what Fate wanted - I put my vote on one of the leading wagons. Fate then drops any suspicion of me. Thus, I concluded that his scumreads are as punitive as the enhanced pat-downs, and about as worthwhile. When I get out of line, there I am back under the gun. So Fate isn't scumhunting, he's trying to get town to follow him and that can't be pro-town.

You're right. I don't really have the energy (nor the inclination really) to rally and get a Tasky lynch going for him daring to defy me. I could though, but it was more of a bluff that I hoped would make his scummy ass claim.

When you do something pro-town, I drop my scumread of you, YEAH ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. If I get all the scum to act pro-town they will be forced into bussing their buddies and taking stances on things and PRO TOWN PLAY which will lead to a TOWN WIN. Is this logic so hard for you to swallow?

If I get town to follow me knowing I am town, how is that not pro-town? If everyone in this thread did as I wanted we would be guaranteed a town win because I am town. Obviously that won't happen because I'm not confirmed yet, but this is the point of view I have that directs my actions. Not "I'll lead town to their DOOM heheahhaha" If you have problems with WHERE I'm leading town or HOW then you need to make a case on THAT specifically, not "look this play is scummeh" with no examples.

Fate seems awfully afraid of a single vote. I thought one vote standing alone didn't do much to pressure anyone, but gee, it sure seems to be pressuring Fate.

Afraid? Here you go having it all wrong again. I'm FURIOUS that you are daring to go V/LA with your vote in a wasted fucking spot, because I am NOT getting lynched today. I am FURIOUS that you are acting anti-town, because-as I said-if EVERYONE acted pro-town then TOWN would win.

That said your case on me is so flimsy and terrible it just reeks of town with confirmation bias that is trying to etch out a scum read because they are a PR and feel like the person they are "scumhunting" is "trying to out their role."

AKA your case somehow got your town read back. Not that you're PRO-TOWN, just more townish.

[Fate]

+ scumpoints for starting out as a lurker-

I refuse to read the rest of this case.

Stove, read it for me. Lynch worthy bullshit?

I read it, obviously, just wanted to see what you would say.

Now let me dismantle it limb from limb for the shitcase it is.

These are not both true.

Yes they are.

"I refuse to read the rest of this case."

Followed by: TRANSLATED FOR VIS (yeah you're a goddamned VI now, shame shame. Losing that ComicBook mafia game really earned you this as well):

"Obviously I read the case, since I am not going to just blatantly ignore it as that would be anti-town. I just said I refused to read it to see what your reaction would be."

[Fate]

Not voting (2): Espeonage, Parama

[Fate]

That's the spirit.

[Fate]

HES MADE A LOT OF FUCKING POSTS SINCE THEN

YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

MY GOD.

THIS GAME THREATENS MY SANITY.

[Fate]

I hate you so much Parama.

So fucking much.

Unvote:
VOTE: TASKY

TASKY I TOLD YOU TO CLAIM. YOU DIDN'T. NOW YOU GET A WAGON UP YOUR ASS.

[Fate]

I already read it and refuted it. Are you even reading the thread?

I never said Parama was the daykiller, I said he was the NIGHT serial killer.

Jesus.

[Fate]

Tasky fullclaim in your next post or I will turn my laser beams on you.

This is not a role fish. This is not a request. This is a demand that will end in your death if not met in a timely manner.

[/quote]

I'll be back to the Parama wagon, just give me a sec.

[Fate]

apathyplusCUPCAKES (hydra of Katsuki and MehPlusRawr), whose role remains unknown, has been defenestrated on Night 0.
Nero Cain, who was a Mafia goon, has been locked in a portable toilet that was then set on fire on Day 1.
Baby Spice, who was a post-restricted cop, has been lynched on Day 1.
Mafuyu, who was a Mafia voyeur, has been blown up on Night 1.
Nobody Special, who was a Mafia goon, has been disemboweled on Day 2.
mothrax, who replaced Blooderection (hydra of BloodCovenant and cateraction), who was a vanilla townie, has been lynched on Day 2.
Toon Fighter, who replaced sakshijain, who was a jack of all trades, has been stabbed on Day 3.

I might not be bacl.

Notice, notice something. Look closer.

CLOSER.

CLOSER THAN THAT DAMN IT TOUCH YOUR NOSE TO THE SCREEN.

You see?

Yeah. Tasky's the god damn scum poisoner. Scum have a delayed kill this game. They probably thought BE was the daykiller or something.


NOW LETS TURN THIS LYNCH AROUND.

[Fate]

Nacho

:

I see you posting in other games! I'm not letting you lurk! I already didn't like reckamonic for active lurking, and you're not making things better!

P. Edit: Tasky is another offender.

Another edit: huh? I'm not seeing what you see fate. Could you please help?

Tasky=Scummy as hell
Tasky="No need to lynch BE! We've already got a kill lined up on him! Can we mislynch someone else?"
Tasky=BE gets lynched anyway
Tasky=Scumkill is missing from the next night
Tasky=Obvscum.

[Fate]

I DONT KNOW DAMN IT DONT QUESTION MY THEORIES I NEED TASKY TO CLAIM HE IS FUCKIN DEADWEIGHT.

[Fate]

There's also a serial killer at night Smargaret, what with SCUM being the only one to die at night.

(I have no idea what happened with Katsuki and don't really care. Maybe a one-shot janitor+night kill combo, and having only poison the rest og the game)

[Fate]

Never played with him as town, but yeah.

What the hell does that have to do with the game? I don't really care because its not really something worth speculating too heavily.

Like I said Tasky needs to claim, IF YOU disagree with that fact THEN you can start poking holes in my case. IF NOT let me do my thing.

[Fate]

ok so smarg has gone from "i never thought tasky was scum, i jsut hopped for teh lulz" to "ok i'll join that wagon"

WELL GOD DAMN IT.

...

Wait a second.

SMARGARET IF IM SCUM AND YOU STILL GENIUNELY THINK THAT AND YOU THINK IM ROLEFISHING WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WILLING TO JOIN THE TASKY WAGON?

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

YOUR SCUMREAD IS BACK.

I won't be swayed though, Tasky needs to claim if he's town in order to be useful to town, as his slot needs to be contained.

[Fate]

Smargaret you have two mins to explain why the hell you would SHEEP your goddamn "top suspect" that you just spent a whole night wasting your time making a horribly weak case that no one in their RIGHT MIND would ever think is valid.

Your vote was still on me at the time of your "I'll jump the tasky wagon" so I assume-correctly- that you "think" im scum.

EXPLAIN.

[Fate]

WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE OF MULTIPLE SCUM GROUPS?

WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT POINTS TO ME BEING SK/TASKY BEING SK?

TWO MORE MINUTES ON THE GOD DAMN CLOCK.

NAH I'LL GIVE YOU EXTRA TIME FOR [REDACTED] <-IF YOURE TOWN YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN HERE.

[Fate]

ALSO BONUS FUCKING ROUND:

IF YOUR CASE ISN'T GOING TO CONVINCE ANYONE, WHO IS IT GOING TO CONVINCE TOMORROW?

LIGHTNING ROUND:
IF YOUR CASE ISNT GOING TO CONVINCE ANYONE, WHY DO YOU THINK IM SCUM? ISNT IT MORE LIKELY YOU'RE HORRIBLY WRONG?
WHY ARE YOU SAYING "You're right, I'm wasting my time" WHEN YOU THINK IM SCUM? MOST OF YOUR CASE WAS THAT IM TRYING TO LEAD TOWN TO ITS DOOM

YET YOU AGREE THAT I AM RIGHT IN MY PRO-TOWN THEORIES AND THEREFORE MY ACTIONS ARE PRO-TOWN, AND YOU ARE WILLING TO WAGON WITH ME

COGNIFUCKINDISSONANCE.

I HOPE YOU ARE SCUM FOR YOUR OWN SAKE. OTHERWISE YOU ARE TERRIBLY HORRIBLY BAD TOWN. WORSE THAN IN COMIC BOOK

PE: ANTIHERO SAID IT IN A NUTSHELL. I ACTUALLY PLAN ON GETTING NK'D TONIGHT SO I CAN REST IN PEACE.

[Fate]

YOU POST IN THIS GAME AND THIS GAME ALONE WHILE YOURE SPOUTING NONESENSE. IS THAT CLEAR?

[Fate]

YOU FAILED THE TOWN TEST.

THE FOURTH LINE WAS [CONNECTIONS], I ASKED YOU WHO WAS MORE LIKELY SCUM SINCE WE'RE NOT SCUM TOGETHER. SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE GODDAMN SCUMTEAM, YOU SHOULD HAVE COME BACK WITH "WELL TASKY IS FUCKIN SCUM BECAUSE OF HIS CONNECTIONS ___ ___ ____ ____" OR "YOU ARE SCUM FOR THE SAME ______"

OR "YOU ARE SK BECAUSE YOU DID THIS _____ WHICH IS"

AND MY GOD. IF YOU ARE A COP YOU SUCK TERRIBLY. "ILL GET YOU LYNCHED TOMORROW FATE IM GOIN TO WASTE A INSPECT ON ME" DONT FUCKIN BOTHER:
1. YOURE INSANE AND YOUR SHIT HELPED GET "WHOEVER" MISLYNCHED
2. IM GOING TO DIE TONIGHT IF SCUM ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND KNOW THAT TOWN STAGNATING IS GOOD
3. ARGUE TOWNIE THEORY? IM NOT ARGUING THEORY

IM PUSHING IT AND MAKING IT HAPPEN

I CAME IN HERE, YOU CLOWNS WERE SITTING AROUND WITH YOUR THUMBS UP IN THE AIR WAGONING A DAMN LURKER, AND I MADE THINGS HAPPEN. BUT ALL YOU CAN SAY IS "HERP DERP THE SCUM MOTIVATION HERE IS FOR FATE TO LEAD TOWN AROUND" BUT THEN YOU SAY "WELL YOU CAN LEAD TOWN AROUND IN A PRO-TOWN WAY AS SCUM"

YOUR CASE ON ME IS BASELESS AND FUCKING STUPID. YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF MULTIPLE TIMES. YOU DON'T EVEN TRY TO LOOK FOR CONNECTIONS FROM ME TO DEAD SCUM, YOU DON'T TRY WITH TASKY EITHER. YOU JUST ISO US BOTH AND TWIST IT INTO A CASE. LUCKILY FOR YOU TASKY IS EASIER TO MAKE A CASE ON.

[Fate]

YOU FAILED THE TOWN TEST.

THE FOURTH LINE WAS [CONNECTIONS], I ASKED YOU WHO WAS MORE LIKELY SCUM SINCE WE'RE NOT SCUM TOGETHER. SINCE THERE IS ONLY ONE GODDAMN SCUMTEAM, YOU SHOULD HAVE COME BACK WITH "WELL TASKY IS FUCKIN SCUM BECAUSE OF HIS CONNECTIONS ___ ___ ____ ____" OR "YOU ARE SCUM FOR THE SAME ______"

OR "YOU ARE SK BECAUSE YOU DID THIS _____ WHICH IS"

SORRY MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT DERAILED.

ANYWAY YOU PROVIDE NO EVIDENCE

AT ALL

FOR EITHER OF US BEING SCUM OF WHAT FACTION OF ANOTHER. ALL YOU SEE IS "WELL FATE IS SCUM BECAUSE OF xloxlxoxloxl"AND "TASKY IS SCUM CUZ OF terribadisolololzozlol" BUT FATE VOTED TASKY SO THEY AINT SCUM TOGETHER. I WONT READ ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.

THAT IS BAD PLAY. JUST BAD.

ALSO YOU DODGED MY OTHER POINTS. MAINLY:
YOU SHEEPING ME.

ALSO

IF I'M SCUM, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE ESPEONAGE?

[Fate]

Psychic?

About what? Player's alignments?

No no, I don't expect the world girl, just the BARE MINIMUM.

AKA SCUMHUNTING, TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT, SOMETHING.

NOt just "idk which is which your both scum lolololol"

F that noise.

F.
THAT.
NOISE.

And I REALLY want a lynch before thanksgiving that way scum don't have the chance to talk at night but HERE WE ARE with Parama pulling "im-so-town-gambits" tasky "lurkmcflake mcsuckass" and smargaret "i dont have a twn mindset at all loLoLOLOL"

I want smarg dead. Really bad. I doubt I'll get support.

WISH LIST:
Tasky to claim
Smarg to claim so she can be NK'd since her role isn't doing much good in the wrong hands
Parama to die
Chronopie to die
Nachomamma to stop ignoring this game
Stove to drop his smargaret town read
chesskid to stop speaking italian
Tasky to start actually TRASNALTING for chesskid, though since he's anti-town king and hasn't done it all game I could care less
smarg to admit her play is bad and needs improvement
Espeonage to get replaced, or dead



IM GOING FOR QUANTITY OVER QUALITY. I FIGURE IF ONLY 25% COME TRUE WE"LL BE GOLDEN

[Fate]

Add a few because I forgot:

LLD to stop wasting her goddamned vote
LLD to stop being horrible at this game, to make cases and not be the scummiest VT ever
Charlie to read the game
Unlimited daykill powers that backfire should I actually kill someone who is of use to the town

[Fate]

hehehhehehEAHHAHHAHAAHA

MWAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Fate]

1. Don't claim your N2 target, as you better have targeted a scummy player. We'll know by who dies tomorrow and scrutinize your choice.
2. Your kill IS going to be directed tonight, if you refuse, we will lynch you today. Are we clear?
3. You are going to kill one of these players tonight: "Espeonage, nachomamma, Parama, LLD" is that clear?

We are lynching Chronopie today. His ass comes back to slide onto a Parama wagon and he STILL has nothing to say. Nothing on me v. Smargaret. Nothing on Tasky. NOTHING. Plus he's already claimed Mafia Amnesiac

Unvote:
Vote: Chronopie

The day will end in 24 hours. Everyone pile their votes accordingly.

Tasky must post acknowledging that he will play ball with the plan, or be lynched for the cereal killer he is.

[Fate]

Right. I want a set in stone agreement from Tasky that he will only kill who a majority of the town asks him to.
We should agree on who we want vigged before we lynch each day. If at any point Tasky deviates from the kill we request, we lynch him immediately.
Agreed?

IM ALREADY FIVE STEPS AHEAD OF YOU.

<-MAJORITY OF TOWN. SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. ETC.

I'm not delaying today for everyone to agree on the vig list. If someone DISAGREES with my vig list they can speak up now and I can shoot them down. A republic at its fucking finest.

[Fate]

GOD DAMN IT KOC 36 HOURS =THANKSGIVING =STAGNATE =TASKY "WELL U GUYS DIDNT COME TO A DECISION SO I ACTED ON MY FUCKIN OWN" = SCUM

I WAS WRITING MY POST BEFORE YOU EVEN THOUGHT TO START WRITING YOURS.

WE ARE NOT ELECTING ONE VIGVOTE, THAT MAKES IT OBVIOUS SO THAT SCUM CAN FUCK WITH NIGHT ACTIONS. WE ARE HAVING A RANGE OF SELECTIONS.

THE POLLS ARE CLOSED. FATE HAS WON 100% OF THE COMPETENT TOWNIE VOTE. ALL OTHERS HAVE BEEN DEEMED CLINICALLY INSANE AND HAVE LOST THEIR VOTE AS PER THE LAWS OF OUR GREAT NATION.

THE RANGE OF SELECTIONS WILL BE:

ESPEONAGE, NACHOMAMMA, PARAMA, LLD

[Fate]

Then COMPROMISE and make a list. If we elect one person to "die" you SEE the obvious flaws in that plan, RIGHT?

[Fate]

We're lynching Chronopie today, did you get the memo?

Also, I agree that smargaret should be on the kill list /grin

WHICH MEANS SMARGARET HAS TO CLAIM TODAY. HEHHEHEHH

[Fate]

(he's just filler for the list, but don't tell anyone. Read between the lines, use your head, and make the RIGHT choice out of the list tonight)

[Fate]

oh, fate, tell me. why is parama still on your list? didn't you accuse him of being SK? well, since we now know there is no SK, do you think he is scum?

Also from your POV the daykiller SHOULD be a SK, you eliminating that possibility makes it pretty clear you're the SK.

Jus' sayin'

<3

[Fate]

Actually, screw it.

VOTE: Nachomamma

X

[Fate]

Fate, two can play at this rolefishing game.

Did you use a night action last night?

What the fucking hell is wrong with you.

THAT"S why you think I'm scum? When there are 1000x other reasons what could have happened happened?

Jesus christ.

You were wrong about BE for the SAME damn reasons you are wrong about me.

[Fate]

Why won't you answer my question, Fate?

It's the only way you'll get me to claim.

I already know what you are going to claim, its fairly obvious, so I don't need to answer anymore.

Which means all your crap cases and stretched nonesense is due to bad role information, than you being scum.

Don't bother making a list. It will likely be ignored.

[Fate]

Sorry Stove, Parama just isn't scum or SK apparently. At least he has unsubstantiated reads as compared to others who have NONE whatsoever.

[Fate]

PUT THE VOTES ON.

GO TO NIGHT.

THEN YOU CAN SLEEP IN YOUR BED AND RECOVER YOUR SANITY.

ALL WILL BECOME CLEAR THE MORE WE KILL.

kill

KILL

kill

Kill!

[Fate]

Yes.... Yess....

Justice is close
The end is near
Three kills later
and victory will be here.

Coug will wake from his dream
What did that all mean?
Am I finally free from the madness?
Or will I once again fall into darkness...

[Fate]

I'm waiting for my better half to okay a hammer.

I kinda want to be stubborn about this, especially given wagon speed, but I'm also sick to death of this day.

Only half the mind is needed to make a decision.

Only half your willpower is necessary to make that leap.

Only half of your strength is required to roll out of bed.

And start the day off right.

The rest of your soul can always catch up to you.
Who has time to wait around on the tendencies of the mind?
We have a life to live.
Fully.
Completely.

These are arbitrary terms reserved for the philosophers.

Life continues on without effort, because it knows what lays at the end-
Its just the beginning.

[Fate]

FREEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

[Fate]

LOL

[Fate]

LOL

YOU CAN'T READ ME

I COULDVE GOT YOU LYNCHED BUT I GOT CHRONO LYNCHED INSTEAD.

WHAT ARE YOU BRAGGING ABOUT AGAIN? HOW YOU SUCK AS TOWN AND CANT BE READ?

[Fate]

Fate just muddled shit up
We were cruising along for a Chrono lynch, 10 pages of Fate later we lynch...Chrono.

The fuck? You were cruising for an Espeon lynch WHEN I CAME IN. Parama needed to be dealt with, Tasky needed to claim, I got those done AND THEN we lynched scum.

[Fate]

And what the hell do you want Anti?

Yeah I was wrong about smarg, sure, and Tasky, sure, but BOTH were scummy by the way they were playing the game which reeked of night related info.

Nice shootin' tex, I can't comment on whether your play as non-daykiller was convincing or not because I wasn't looking for the obvtown Dayvig at all.

[Fate]

You played well Fate, but don't try to take sole ownership of that Chrono lynch.

Just sayin'.

Well of course it was a team effort and anyone who was paying attention saw how scummy and useless Chrono was... I'm not saying I was the only one that "figured out he was scum hurrr" (Parama LOL YOU THOUGHT CHRONO WAS TOWN), but the lynch itself? Yeah I made it happen.

[Fate]

I've never attacked someone who has disagreed with me on

reads

, but when people disagree with me on pro-town play? That mean's they are taking an anti-town viewpoint. That means they need lynchin. Especially if they don't even hold up their end of the argument (i.e.l force me to concede that they just have a different view of Mafia Theory, and not they are scum pushing anti-town play).

Also I think my case on Smarg was a little bit better than just her disagreements with me.

[Fate]

Where the hell did I ever imply that?

[Fate]

Yeah where's the logical jump from "my views on pro-town play" to "my behavior" (aka everyone should act like me, which is not what I think at all).

Anyway reading the scum QT I have only one criticism for nacho's play:

You thought Smargaret was a TRACKER? Based on what? Maybe it was obv from my POV but she was an obv roleblocker what with "role related info" leading to a BE lynch after a no mafiakill the night before, and her craptastic case on me the night after ANOTHER no scum kill.

[Fate]

Nor did I say that that is what it meant:

Especially if they don't even hold up their end of the argument

I'm sure your view of pro-town play can be properly supported with logic and actual reasoning, and I would leave you alone with a "Agree to Disagree" after awhile.

LLD and smargaret? They didn't seem interested in all at being pro-town or explaining why their reads were the way they were. Sure smarg was biased by her night role info, so less hate there, but LLD sticking to that Stove Vote till the better end and not even trying to push him to be lynched? Anti-town as hell.

[Fate]

NIGHT 1 ACTIONS
Mafuyu investigates Tasky as a compulsive vigilante.

This action makes no sense, considering Mafuyu's role.

Also the fact that Mafuyu actioned N1 but scum missed their kill that night is tech.

Also missing it two nights in a row is hugely tech and made it impossible for poor nacho.

I blame Reck/dram who should have led the team to victory.

[Fate]

-_-

[Fate]

Stranger I don't really think its fair the way you enforce your rules so harshly and swiftly on players when you yourself make multiple mod errors. That's all they are, is simple accidents or mistakes, not something worthy of "GTFO OUT OF MY GAME I AM ALL POWERFUL" mod-action

Jus sayin'...