Mini 1095 - Fast Food Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm in - role recieved .

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VOTE: StangerCoug for failing to compute.

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UNVOTE: StrangeCoug RVS vote no longer needed, I don't see a need to maintain my vote.

EtheralCookie and StatusQuo seem to be going for blood over possibly mis-read posts and opinons. I have a town read on both for now, unless they're both scum and playing outside the box hoping the other doesn't slip up. I''m personally going to ignore the miller claim as it could be used by the scum as an attempt to cover up or could be a genuine claim.

[AntB]

How do you feel about the votes on StrangerCoug?

I don't see enough evidence against StrangerCoug currently. I can see how you would consider what he said as coaching.
Chronopie and CooLDoG also agreed with StrangerCoug in that the miller should claim straight away as the correct method to play miller. There is no indication of StrangerCoug directly answering your question in his post but seems to be more of passing a comment, which does seem to be coaching as I believe it was unprompted. I do have my suspicions but not enough to hold and maintain a vote.

Do you believe anyone voting for him could be scum?

No, each has their own justification so far and obviously believes they have enough to maintain the vote on. IMO A scum player would simply "hop-on" the wagon at this point.

Do you think the case holds any weight?

Not enough to warrant a lynch.

How do you feel about the two votes on myself?

StrangerCougs vote to me seems well justified in the context given. peanutman just seems to be looking for a vote and IMO doesn't have much ground to stand on.

Do you believe anyone voting for me could be scum?

Again, peanutman seems to just be voting without a good base, I am aware on Day1 you'd be lucky to get anything concrete but a good base is always good. So peanutman is coming across as slightly scummy to me.

Do you think the case holds any weight?

StrangerCoug, yes, but I need a bit more convincing. peanutman, no.

@Antb, really ignore the claim? So the most content that has been generated to this point you are simply going to ignore? How is this productive? Play out both situations (one being that TSQ is scum, the other him being town), which one seems more likely? Unless you have real life issues I would love for you to respond to this and EC's questions as well.

Ignoring the claim does not mean I'm going to ignore the events that came after. I simply meant that I am not going to allow the claim to affect my judgement on if TSQ is town or scum.

tl;dr: Not enough weight against strangercoug, peanutman shows slightly scummy to me, I'm ignoring the miller claim, not the follow up from it.

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The case made against you does hold weight some weight however its not enough for me to take any action. From your discussion with TSQ I believe you both to be town from that, StrangerCoug IMO has acted on his suspicions against you and as such has voted for you. I believe he has made some valid points to justify that vote and that's why I believe his case holds weight. Despite that I am not fully convinced to jump on the band wagon and vote against you as the debate between yourself and TSQ leaves me thinking your both town

or scum playing outside the box

. I'm sat on the fence because it gives me a good view of what's going on. I don't like to make my move without having a good reason.

The bit I have placed in bold above is a bit you seem to have missed. I have a town read, yes. However I am not totally convinced.

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I said with more convincing I would possibly vote, not that if he says, for example, "OMG he iz scummy letz all vote for him". You seem to have taken what I've said as "I'm just going to wait and see how this rolls then maybe jump in for a hammer". You said yourself I'm on the fence, I'm not really that sure on anyone just yet, despite 4 pages of interesting posts. I should also highlight I'm in a similar situation with the case against strangercoug, there's weight in the case against him but nothing worthy of a vote just yet.

An unconvinced player is a liability, I'll admit. Could be worse however, I could just think "Oh looky at the bandwagon *jump/vote*".

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Brief review of all posts, SC is more scummier than EC, still need a little more convincing either way, but I want more information out of CooLDoG so...

My role has nothing to do with my Establishment, TSQ has already claimed he is a miller some have stated as the correct method of play for that role, yet you seem persistent on weening it out of his exactly what it is, do as you preach, reveal your establishment and then maybe moan about TSQ revealing his? Personally, unless your abilitily is to attack people with sammiches or if your the Food Saftey Agency (or w/e the US equivilent is) then I don't believe your role can be that closley linked. Also claiming to be a power role at this point seems dodgy at this point, you have no need to roleclaim, even as generic as "I am a PR". Claiming a PR on D1 is going to get you killed one way or the other, if you did start a successful bandwagon and the person flipped townie, Your guaranteed to be either NK'd or Lynched on D2. So why claim?

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@ TheStatusQuo
My vote at the moment seems to be primarily torn between CooLDoG due to the reasons outlined my previous post, and StrangerCoug who has

only just

decided he doesn't like you, for reasons he hasn't revealed.

@ StrangerCoug
Explain yourself. "Your Bugging Me" seems odd and scummy coming out of the blue like that, justification would be nice.

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EBWODP

@New Blood (ConfidAnon)
When you can and when you've caught up, what's your views on myself, TheStatusQuo, StrangerCoug and EtheralCookie?

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@ConfidAnon
I have been told in the past that I am quite an unorthodox player.

An RVS vote outside RVS to me is useless unless its generating something. I didn't feel at the time it would help generate anything and I had no need to maintain it.

I don't like how you have supported both sides of the issue in this post, either. Noncommittal stances are scummy.

I would say more calculated. If I was to commit currently I would probably vote for CooLDoG. However things may change

Just out of curiosity, why did you ask that question to me, but not to other players who have not given their thoughts?

Your new in as a replacement from the outside so you would see the full picture instead of us inside who are more focused on certain people.
Even lurkers can develop tunnel vision...

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@ StrangerCoug
Explain yourself. "Your Bugging Me" seems odd and scummy coming out of the blue like that, justification would be nice.

In mafia the word scummy has a specific meaning. It means "more likely to come from scum than from town." In what way does a player saying "your[sic] bugging me" "out of the blue" fit that descriptions?

Why would a townie just throw that up?

Oh your annoying me... how? why? when? are the first 3 things I would want to know. Leaving out that kind of information looks bad to me.

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@CollidAnon
My reason for not asking ChannelDeliBird is simple.

I might not be read up for a couple of days, in the process of catching up with a couple of other games right now,

He has yet to post.

My non-committal stance is also good to ensure I don't end up vote-hopping like a deranged frog. I have a few suspicions at the moment and I am unsure who I should push for.
You seem to say that voting is locking to an opinion, I have several opions and none I currently wish to "lock" to.
What's more scum like to you? Vote-Hopping or no vote with 17 days until the dead line? To me its vote-hopping. If we were closer the the deadline I would happily vote.

How would you know that when they weren't posting thoughts to begin with?

Because lurkers are in the inside and still build their own opinons and such as the game progresses. As such you could say we see the game in progress in parts, whereas you come in and get to see the game so far in whole.

@TSQ
What reason would a townie have for posting that? Scummy was probably the wrong word to use it seems. I have scummy defined basically as "Not something a townie generally would do", not "what scum is more likely to do than town". (Yes there is a difference)
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I'm having trouble understanding StrangerCougs post... from what I can figure he is supporting CooLDoG's pursuit of getting TSQs establishment out of him...

And seeing as people are pressuring for votes

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EBWODP:
And seeing as people are pressuring for votes... I shall restore my RVS VOTE: StrangerCoug

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@TSQ:
Point taken and noted.

@CooLDoG and StrangerCoug:
Why push for TSQ to reveal his establishment so hard? CooLDoG states he has a power-role closely associated with his chain (My knowledge of American food chains in quite lacking) but as I have said before unless he is a Food Standards Agency equivalent I really can't see any way in which your joint could match your abilities unless its one which has been in the US news recently, which would put foreigners (like myself) at a possible disadvantage.

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@CooLDoG
The DoubleDown doesn't exist here in the UK, the nastiest thing we have I suppose would be a Big Daddy "burger". And if you had not claimed you were a power role I doubt anyone would have made much of a connection if you had just revealed KFC.

Why is SC scummy? Voting for the sake of voting is not a good thing

That was clarified and my vote is because apparently not voting is even worse than having an unmaintainable vote...

EtheralCookie++;
(+1 if your not savvy with scripting or programming)
UNVOTE: StrangerCoug
VOTE: CooLDoG
Stating your role is linked to KFC and DoubleDown is not a good thing, if you had just mentioned KFC then you may have been fine. Mentioning Double Down and "unhealthiest place in USA" was careless.

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@CooLDoG
No point now really. You've as good as claimed and on D1 that ain't a good thing. Why would a pro-town role claim on D1? and without any provocation? IMO your a 3rd party role currently.

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@CooLDoG
Pressure? I just said practice what you preach, if your going to push so hard to get TSQs establishment perhaps you should reveal yours. You could have fake-claimed, or just said KFC without anything else.
I also think the importance of flavour is only understood by those wielding a role matching their establishment but they are smart enough to keep it covered...

I'm also getting a VI vibe from CooLDoG so I'm going to say NOT lynch him, let the scum get him and potentially save other power roles. Unless the Doc covers him then D2 will be interesting...

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@CooLDoG
Quite simply, you read too far into it.

[...]do as you preach, reveal your establishment and then maybe moan about TSQ revealing his?

Establishment, not full detail of the company or hints about your associated role. KFC would have been a sufficient answer.

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@CooLDoG
So just to be sure I haven't completely lost my mind, your saying TSQ and EC are the scumteam. Based on TSQ not willing to nameclaim and EC defending him?

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@InHimShallBe
You get a town read on peanutman because I voted him earlier..? And actually I don't feel any pressure currently.

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@ConfidAnon
You voted because you were bored..... wow....

[AntB]

#64 I stated I would not ignore the discussion later

#84 You say this post is scummy yet missed it from your break down, what exactly is scummy about it? Fence sitting isn't the best thing but in that situation I felt it better not to vote. I also explained StrangerCoug seemed to have made a better case IMO and he was voting and acting on his suspicions.

#127 Must've missed the question, unless your referring to me asking him specifically to provide an overview on specific players and him wondering why. Then if you look closer and not skim, you shall find the answer.

#128 A Rhetorical question is a good way to divert attention. Noted.

I like to see where you believe I have referred to non-existent content.

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@lewarcher
In post 60 strangercoug justifies his vote and following his logic I can see where he would find reason to vote.

@CooLDoG
I said if you are going to push so hard then reveal yours and he may do the same. I did not apply any pressure, I didn't say "do or die". You revealed it of your own will. Besides, why would you reveal so much with so little/no pressure?

[AntB]

another thing. Your post 147 can be paraphrased as follows: CoolDog claimed scum. Why would he???

If you were to paraphrase I would say "CooLDoG claimed without provocation, bad scum."

I don't see anything which would imply a "why would he?"

[AntB]

you mis-interpd my bad scum, bad as in evil, not bad as in you suck

I based my case off CooLDoGs push for TSQ to reveal his establishment and the resulting reveal of his PR with no pressure, and since then he seems to be attempting to shift attention back at me by saying I backtracked and more recently implying I forced him to reveal his role. Of which I did no such thing.

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@CooLDoG
If you think I've put that much pressure on, can you highlight the points where I've applied pressure?

[AntB]

This will be short and sweet as Im on my phone.

So basically, i have to vote and stick with no matter what or im scum, makes perfect sense... I did indeed say CooLDoG was a bit VI and not to lynch, however my opinion has since changed as he appears to be trying to blame his nameclaim and soft PR claim on me putting pressure on him, which I did not do and had no intention of doing.

If your so great and wise, EC, what is the correct way for me to vote? On gut? On nothing conclusive? or on a genuine belief? Sure it might take me a little longer than those who have said x y and z quotes make you scum omg vote die die die, i like to have a good basis for my vote which i can support, whats wrong with that?

You also say I'm parroting, i dont think i am apart from the sanity check post i made, which CooLDoG made a nice job of smoothing over.

If i have missed anything i apologise and I will cover it in a later post. my smartphone isnt that smart >_>

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I also want to point out, ive made 3 votesif memory serves, an rvs, a restored omg rvs and an actual accusation vote.

Im sure theres people who changed votes a few times more than me...

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Random Vote - And?
Restored RVS - Making a point.
CooLDoG - I genuinely believe this is the way to go.

You seem to be basing your case on the fact I restored an RVS to make a point that pressuring people is worse than a no-vote.

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Pressuring someone to vote IMO is worse than having no vote, the person might just think "OMG must vote and join the wagon" then when the person flips town they get all the crap from it for having nothing to go on while scum sit back and chalk up 2 for the price of one.

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I want to know why InHimShallBe's justification for his vote is, looks like a wagon jump form here...

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The image is http://www.packmentality.net/forum/Smil ... odpost.gif which makes me more suspicious...

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My scum list at the moment consists of CooLDoG, with minor suspisions on the lurkers and peanutman.
The scum have been given fakeclaims to use and CooLDoG gave his role up too easily for my liking. I'm willing to bet its a fakeclaim. KFC is a big chain, but IMO that makes it more believeable to use as a fakeclaim.

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I'm just sayin, you roleclaiming KFC as easily as you did to me smells of scum. The fence-sitting argument was settled. So why bring it up now when you've had enough chance to previously.

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The main reason is he claimed FAAAR to easily then when questioned on it and repeated attempts to push all the blame on to me, saying I'm scum for "applying pressure" when I didn't apply any pressure of any kind.

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Good idea, you can justify your vote on me then other than wagon jumping.

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UNVOTE: CooLDoG
VOTE: InHimShallBe

What changed your mind on ConfidAnon?
Your acting too.... shadowy(?)... You posts seem to be carefully constructed and deliberately built to reveal no information. There's also buddying with rajrhcpfreak and missing content on why you think chornopie is scum

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UNVOTE: CooLDoG
VOTE: InHimShallBe

What changed your mind on ConfidAnon?
Your acting too.... shadowy(?)... You posts seem to be carefully constructed and deliberately built to reveal no information. There's also buddying with rajrhcpfreak and missing content on why you think chornopie is scum

Caught us one, boys.

Any other greasy, fried food you'd like to throw at the wall and see if it sticks?

... wut?!

You provide no evidence for your vote other than "OMG O_O Wagon! " then dodge my questions.

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Also, I would chuck some fried food at you, but I ain't got no fryers.

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I'm LOLing here L-2 because of a wagoner and a guy trying to cover his own mistake...
If i get lynched, when I flip town CooLDoG and InHimShalliBe are scumbuddies.

@CooLDoG
All I said is if you want TSQs flavour so badly, reveal yours. Which you promptly did. No pressure at all. Btw, were only on page 13 so how can you reference page 18? Page 8 doesn't seem to match either...

[AntB]

Unvote, Vote: peanutman

Jesus hell.

vote: ConfidAnon

Backtrack of AntB (agree with raj AntB is fishy as well), weak-ankled stances, and a completely terrible vote.

Let's lynch this one.

ConfidAnon, AntB, Chronopie, Tsq. Scumteam in thar.

That's all I can find against me from you, and that was LOOONG before your vote. I'm not going to deny my peanutman vote was bad, however I find it interesting you have peanutman as town purely based on that.

[...]
peanutman - biggest point for this is AntB's vote on him
[...]
Chronopie - [mental note to flesh this one out in particular]
[...]

I calling you on your mental note, that's why I singled him out above all others

I'm also intrigued that me calling you and CooLDoG out as scummbuddies makes you pause... Now why would you pause on that part unless I have actually caught you out?

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while I'm here

@CooLDoG
Second time at least I've said this.. show me where I've applied pressure. You also seem to be ducking out as soon as I make a point you can't respond to, then float up again later pushing it again, perhaps hoping I'll make a mistake you can take me to the butchers with. Just so you don't miss it if your skimming...

CooLDoG, show me where I've applied pressure to you and why have you now brought up my "fence-sitting" now when it has been discussed and cleared?

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it makes me pause because that sounds like something Town might post

Not buying it. How is calling a scumteam a town post? Especially when both players mentioned have put me at L-2 for reasons I'm still waiting for.

You know I just nailed you.

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It may be dreadful, but it's valid.

Me calling you and CooLDoG out as a scumteam makes you pause because "its town". So scum don't call out scumteams, that's basically what your saying. You and CoolDoG just saw a wagon and jumped aboard hoping for an easy ride.

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I still want your "fleshed out" view on chronopie and why my vote on peanutman makes him town.

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@Mod Can we also get a poke on Thestatusquo, he appears to be missing as well. I also second the prod on peanutman

@inHimShalliBe
Still strikes me as odd that you get a read from a vote but nothing really beyond a null as peanut hasn't provided much beyond lurking.

[AntB]

Chill, it wasn't an attack. it just struck me as odd that you would have him as town because of a simple vote, if it was that easy then bussing would be so simple and easy.

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@chronopie
Put your vote where your mouth is then, or reinforce it then.

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Anyone else still wondering why inHimShalliBe pushed so hard against me without a solid case or evidence?

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Smugness? its a valid point. You've still provided no evidence.

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I'm 100% your scum. You tried to build a case on me on the fly and failed, you wagon jumped hoping you could cruise into D2 and you still haven't provided anything on chronopie despite saying you would several times. You didn't answer my question about what changed your mind about ConfidAnon and didn't respond to me calling you out on dodging the question.

CooLDoG is scumbuddy for EZWagoning, inconsistency (You pressured me! you didn't pressure me... You Pressured me!), ez-claiming without pressure.

rajrchpfreak has been buddied up to by inHimShalliBe... hmmm... I'll hold my thoughts on that for now.

Either way I want CooLDoG or inHimShalliBe swinging from some rope.

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So your "mental note to flesh this one out" extends to a one-liner about his single vote.

I suspected about the long friendship thing, which is why I haven't put much of a point on it.

And yes I'm picky because you seemed intent on removing him, switch to me for no reason and dodged the question from me on why.

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SCUM HERE
Chronopie - [mental note to flesh this one out in particular]

That's really "[...] I had a feeling [...]" isn't it. To me that's "This guys scum, I'll say why shortly."

Your backtracking...

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@Magua
I'm leaning null-to-scum on strangercoug at the moment. The head to head with EC left me leaning town, SCs flip from "Don't reveal" to "Reveal and prove your not lying" then pushing CooLDoG for a similar stance claiming they were after different flavour strikes me as off. Only realising that TSQ hasn't yet responded after someone points it out several pages later leaves it tilting scum.

I still need one (two?) more for the full scumteam... I don't believe SC is the missing one. But theres time yet.

@inHimShalliBe
In well considering you've said contradictory things and still not provided much of what was asked... my vote is staying firm.

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last official votecount has me and SC as the lynch wagons of choice for D1.

Personally, I still say we go for inHim. The guy tried and failed to build a case on me on the fly by attempting to provoke reactions and trying to force slips. He still has no clear case against me.

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@inHimShalliBe
You never had a case at all...

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@CooLDoG
Right back at you mate, you mis-rep'd saying I was putting pressure on you, when I wasn't. Scum have fakeclaims, I believe yours is one of them.

[AntB]

Also, I'm not even voting for you right now. So why are you worrying, again, about being lynched? You also missed another question of mine earlier.

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@raj
I stopped tunneling a while ago, CooLDoG just keeps pulling my attention back on to himself now. I think he misses me...
Also, you seem to have gone from almost shouting "obviscum!! to "meh". What changed your mind?

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Well, almost "meh"

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3 Days left, we need to choose a wagon to push to completion. My vote may as well be standing spare right now. I'll place it on whatever wagon picks up to prevent no-lynch, as I'm otherwise undecided between SC's opportunism and CPs lurking.

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Unacceptable. We still have 2 players who need replacement. Even if they join today, they could hardly catch up. We need that extension and I am sure that the mod will decide to grant it.

We have a deadline, and we must work to it. It's not ideal and I hope we do get an extension, however, for now we should assume we haven't and act accordingly, pushing for a lynch. Whose to say the extension won't only be 2 days, if we do get one? We need to utilise the time we have to prepare wagons and let the new guy(s) decide when (s)he/they catch up, which is the greater threat. My wagon and chronopies are currently the strongest, SC still has a good weight on him. Either way, 3 votes are needed to end this, and I count 2 worthless votes at the moment (mine included) and I'm pretty sure everyone has voted. So we need to figure out which wagon is rolling out of here and people need to shift votes so we can get a lynch.

As I said previously, I'm undecided between CPs lurking and SCs opportunism...

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Looks like its going to be my wagon then.
I "sat on the fence" because I wasn't moved enough and didn't see enough reason to vote; CooLDoG is 3rd Party at best, scum at worst; inHim is scum, he even admitted he had no case on me.

I'm going to move and VOTE: Chronopie for his lurking, also placing him at L-2.

Choose carefully people...

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We need a competing wagon and I'm hardly going to vote for myself am I?

[AntB]

You really think I'm going to down quietly? My vote isn't good, granted. But neither is lurking.

Just curious, if/when I flip town, who are peoples top scumspects?

[AntB]

We have an incredibly short deadline. I'm now at L-1 afaik and I'm not going to go down quietly, I'm Vannila Town under the Quiznos banner. All I have on chronopie is he's a competing wagon and he's a lurker. inHimShalliBe isn't going to be lynched and he was my lynch of choice.

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Just double checked my Role PM... Del Taco *facepalm* Still VT anyway. Must've seen the first page PM too many times...

I'm lynch bait now for that methinks.

Calling rajrchpfreak and inHimShalliBe as partial scumteam. SC probably the final member.

Good night, and go town. Even if I survive lynch I won't survive the night methinks.

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Thought I would've been hammered by now...

claming Quiznos was a genuine mistake, that's what I had written in my notes... defiantly seen it too many times...

Surprised Purple didn't lay the hammer down... No objection to my lynch, I'm L-1, yet no hammer... anyone else thinks its weird? push it D2. There's no more time to debate and a mislynch is better then no-lynch for the information provided from the flip...
@Lewarcher
I'm sure the mod would've confirmed an extension date by now... with little more than ~28 hours left until deadline and the replacements having caught up I can't see it happening.

p-Edit:
DEAD. Night all.

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Votecount-

Chronopie - 3 - (InHimshallibe, StrangerCoug, Purple Orange) (L-4)
InHimshallibe - 1 - (AntB) (L-6)
CooLDoG - 1 - (Chronopie) (L-6)
AntB - 4 - (EtherealCookie, rajrhcpfreak, CooLDoG, lewarcher82) (L-3)
StrangerCoug - 3 - (Battousai, Magua, Thestatusquo) (L-4)

7 needed to lynch

Deadline is January 4 at 3:15 pm EST

yabbaguys vote is missing (L-2), SC changed vote (L-1) then inHim hammered.

@Mod Can we get a triple check on this?

Either way I'm lynchbait after that cock-up. Noone seems keen to answer the top scumspect after my flip question either.... I stand by inHim, rajchp and possible SC.

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EBWODP:

Votecount-

Chronopie - 4 - (StrangerCoug, Purple Orange, AntB, InHimshallibe) (L-3)
CooLDoG - 1 - (Chronopie) (L-6)
AntB - 5 - (CooLDoG, rajrhcpfreak, yabbaguy, EtherealCookie, lewarcher82) (L-2)
StrangerCoug - 2 - (Magua, Battousai) (L-5)

7 needed to lynch

Deadline is January 4 at 3:15 pm EST

No idea where I got that last votecount from... nothing like a comedy of errors ¬_¬ but yea this was the last count given and I was L-2, 2 more votes were placed. now dead and staying that way.