MUNSCM - Abandoned

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Im /

confirming

that i am romania Long Live Dracula

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The Delegate from Romania votes

in favor

of the motion

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the delgate from Romania votes

opposed

to the resolution.

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the delegate from Romania

votes in favor

of the amendament

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so

in favor

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I am going to have to agree with mathcam on this one. To give the power of Veto to 2 evil countries seems a bit, well insane and unbalanced. so mathcams plan is one i would vote for.

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The delegate from the Phillipines would like to speak against the resolution

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so its my turn right?

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Ok then i will speak.

My biggest problem with the resolution the both the MABM and the weapons inspectors going to veto nations. The best thing we can do is diversify. I like the idea of the MABM going to a veto nation but i think that weapons inspectors whould be sent to a non-veto nation, with everything still at random. It just seems horribly unbalanced if the mafia had a veto nation. I dont see any of the big 5 being members of the Axis of Evil. We should limit (not the word i want to use but cant think of a better word right now) out inspections to the lesser nations, the ones with less clout.
I support this resolution except for the parts I have outlined above.


Getting rid of line 4 entirely i feel is the best course of action. It wold be better if both nations were random instead of both nations definately being in the group of 5. that is all for now.
The delgate from the philipines steps down.

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The delgate from the philipines votes against closing debate.

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The Phillipines

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I can not in good conscience vote for this resolution as it is. so the delegate from the philipines

votes against

the rosolution

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Resolution repost as per CS request

MUNSCM 003:

Noting that allowing the axis to know what nation is protected allows them to attack with impunity.

Also noting that allowing the axis to know which nation is investigated gives them an optimal target.

Further noting that not allowing the council to know confuses debate.

1. Requires that MABM be sent to a nation randomly selected by the chair.

2. Requires that weapons inspectors be sent to the same nation selected for MABM protection.

3. Requires that inspection report be sent to another nation randomly selected by the chair.

4. Requires that both nations selected have veto power.

5. Requires that selections by the chair be announced to council the day after and no sooner.

Submitted by the delegate from the United Kingdom.

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the philipines, romania, its all the same.

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*The delgate from romania Hisses wildly at the result.*

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vote in favor

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THe delegate from Romania strongly objects

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I would like to be added to the speakers list

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MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum

Noting

that Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;

Also noting

that Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;

Also noting

Romania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;

1.

Strongly suggests

that a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania.

I would just like to say that i am not protecting the veto power countries. IF a resolution were propossed, such as this one, that targeted one of them, they could easily veto it. Now, because of this, i believe that there are no members of the Axis of Evil with veto power because the rest of the world would have no way of disposing of said Axis.

Now, as for my attempts to pass my actions off as those of the delgate from the philipines, i would just like to say that it was an honest mistake. THe delgate from romania has been drinking a little more than a United Nations ambassador should at such perilous times.


Thank you for your time.

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No i was not aware. Whatever, blow me up if you must. Just know, Romania will see you all in hell.

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Point of information directed to the speaker:

How is it that you were "not aware" of one of the most fundamental rules, and possibly the most often repeated, of the game's mechanics? Also, why the vitriol indicated in your response to the delegate from France? "I will see you all in hell" hardly speaks of your goodwill toward this body. As the resolution stands your country isn't even in any danger -- refer to the chair's response to the pertinent question.

If i am killed, you will all burn in hell for murding an innocent. That was the point of my statement. as for how i was not aware. I Didnt really read the rules all that closely and havent seen any mention of the fact that a veto country cant veto a resolution with its name in it.

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Listen, if you are gonna nuke me, do it. stop asking the same damn questions in different ways and just get it over with. Ok. Because i would rather be nuked than have to answer your questions over and over again.

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The delgate from Romania Moves to close debate immediately.

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the delegate from romania steps down as Speaker

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<------------needs to speak please add me to speakers list.

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we should let people speak on the ammendament first

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the delgate from romania OBIOUSLY

votes against

the ammendment

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point of information directed to the speaker

what assurance can you give us that you yourself are not a member of the asix of evil just capitalizing on the mistakes of an innocent nation?

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vote against

the motion to close debate.

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The delgate submits a

motion to amend the speaker's list

, putting romania at the top.

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Well, i will now take this time to make a solid, and hopefully non-futile, defense.

A few things. Firsts, the phillipines main arguments for my guilt. First, my cavorting as the phillipines. Honest mistake. Do you really think a member of the axis of evil would be stupid enough to try and pretend to be another nation, especially one of the nations on the council? It is almost laughable.

As to my defending the nations with veto power. What is wrong with that really? I believe that would should not focus all of our energies in one dirrection, would should instead make our information net wide, as to catch the most information. As to the belief that there is more than one member of the axis of evil with the power of veto is rediculous. If there were 2, one could veto a resolution targeting the other, and then when a resolution was dirrected at that one, the other could veto it and it would be impossible to defeat.


Now for my belief as to who may be evil. Ofcourse i have reason to believe that the delgate from the Phillipines is evil for having such a flimsy and circumstancial case against me. There is no solid evidence whatsoever.

another suspect is the delegate from China. My reasons for believing this is that at a time when it appeared, at least to me, that the likelhood of the resolution leading to the nuking of my nation would likely pass, china wanted to close debate without giving the targeted nation an oppurtunity to make a defense, thus almost guranteeing the death of a loyal member of the security council.

Reomania is now open to Points of information from other member nations.

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I am going to have to agree with mathcam on this one. To give the power of Veto to 2 evil countries seems a bit, well insane and unbalanced. so mathcams plan is one i would vote for.

at the time, it seemed like a good idea. As you can see, i have always thought that there is at the most 1 veto country in the axis of evil. Investigating the veto countires (since there are only 5? of them) would take less time than investigating the non veto countries, so we would either clear all the veto countries, or quickly find the most powerful member of the asix of evil


as to your second point of information. As i said, it was an honest mistake. as for why since i have been "debunked" as you said, i have only made votes and defended myself, the reason is because since that time, there has been doubt cast in my direction, including the resolution targeting me. I have had, little choice but to defend myself, because at this point, all content, regarding resolutions, is content involving my trying to stay alive, meaning me defending myself.


as i have said. People make mistakes, many times, like this time, they are honest mistakes, with no alterior motive, no ill intent, just a simple, misunderstnading. And i will reinterate that he delegate From The PHillipines has no real evidence against me and is merely throwing suspicion, dressed up as proof.

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The delgate from romania will not have the proper time to give a thorough and fair response to the questions at hand until thursday in the afternoon (east coast time). The delgate regrets this and will answer them promptly at that time.

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THank you all for waiting patiently, the last 2 and a half days have been absolutely crazy. Ive had midterms, and about 12 hours of rehersals now, what you have all been waiting for.

Points of information directed at the speaker:

In your defense, you argue that your reasoning has been that it is impossible for there to be

two

nations with veto power among the Axis of Evil. However, your actual arguments have centered on the assertion that there is not even

one

. Please explain.

I find it hard to believe that there is one axis country with veto power (however, the more the game goes on, the more i start to think one evil veto nation is possible) however, i find it absolutely impossible for there to be 2 axis of evil nations with veto power because then the axis of evil would be almost impossible. That is why i have been fighting the idea of even 1 evil veto nation.

Regarding your comments on defending the nations with veto power: Do you not realize that, far from

defending

the nations with veto power, your attempted amendment actively endangers them? If we do not keep the MABMs withiin the Permanent Members, there is a two-thirds chance that

no

Permanent Member will be protected tonight and the Axis can pick one off freely. By restricting the MABM placement, our odds of preventing a nuclear strike triple (presuming the Axis goes after the more dangerous-to-them Permanent Members first).

First off, i never made an attempted amendment. I realize the fault of my original logic for spreading out the MABMs. It would be a bad idea to take the MABM out of the veto nations.

Also, how does widening the field of possible locations for our inspectors widen our information net? Our net remains the same; all you would succeed in doing is widen the ocean. That makes our task harder, not easier.

Not true. Lets say there is 1 axis nation in the permanent members. IF we investigate one of them, we have a 1 in 5 chance of finding and evil nation.

now lets say there are 3 other members of the axis of evil. That is 3 in 10 roughly 1 1/2 in 5, or if there are 4 other axis mebers that 2 in 5 so the chances, while not huge, are greater if we dont limit ourselves to the permanent members.

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I am through fighting this hopeless cause. No matter what i sau, you will find some fault with it. All i can say is that while destroying romania will increase future attempts to find axis members (my death will make it 3/14). So do what you will, i obviously can not change the opinion of some of you no matter what i do.

the delgate from romania steps down.

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the delgate from Romania

seconds the motion

( that is if a second is nescisary)

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Romania

votes in favor

of the motion to shelve.

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romania votes

in favor

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Can we start voting?

someone has to make a motion to begin voting.

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vote against

the motion

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romania is here, still waiting for a chance to get back at the phillipines.

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Pakistan is here!

that wasnt witty

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Romania otes

in favor

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I too will have to

vote against

and urge an tabling of the shelved motion.

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If its decided in the caucus the shelved motion is the best idea, then we can do that - but another country may be decided to be a better target.

which is exactly why we must table the motion, to find a better target and execute a Nuclear strike against said target.

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we should table the shelved Motion as soon as the caucus is over.

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THat is the point. I want us to table it so we can either ammend it, or vote it down because it was a silly motion, brought to us, in a desperate attempt by scum to capitalize on the mistakes of a loyal member of the UN.

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very good point. i agree with you. because of the nature of the game and the newness of it, it is quite hard to really get scummy vibes until we really get used to the game. @ZONEACE, why do you feel the need to table the shelved resolution? dont you believe we should discuss and try and find out who is the best candidate for a nuclear attack?

Ok, obviously my post was not clear enough. We need to Nuke the Phillipines.

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Why the Phillipines?

wow, i am going to have to spell it out.

The motion, in which Romania was named as the Nuclear Strike Target was made by the phillipines. The Motion, was a desperate attemp, by those disloyal to the security council, to capialize on the mistakes of a loyal member. get it. The phillipines, in an attempt to use Romania's mistakes against Romania, has an obviously scummy move.

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Nay

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Delegate from Romania, please explain your unwillingness to extend the caucus?

I feel i have explained well enough why iam doing what i am doing. if you haven't understood, it is becasue you have not been reading my posts. The delgate from the Philipines is scum. we are delaying. We are giving those who wish to destroy the peace are trying to keep, and we are allowing them to do so, by dignifying their pathetic attempts at casuing dissention amongs us. I urge you all to stop the pussyfooting and realize that something must be done to stop the menace that has taken foot hold.

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Delegate from Romania, why are you so aggresive and defensive?

Im through ebing defensive. i was defensive whent he Pilipines tried to wipe my people of the face of the planet. Now Im pissed and trying to show you all the danger of allowing the Philpines to continue to influence your decisions.

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Romania votes

in favor

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The delgate from Romania DEMANDS to be added to the speakers list in order to stop teh volley of untruths, and false accusations.

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POI to the speaker:

You are being vague once again and skirting the edges of this question. Answer my question directly and simply. Do you or do you not wish for this resolution to be passed?

At this point and time, if the country of Romania cannot redeem itself during the course of its term in the Speaker's seat, then the United States will sanction a nuclear strike.

POI to the speaker: What must the delgate from romania do in order to clear itself in your obviously evil mind?

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the romanian delgate believes a hearty Kiss My ass is in order as well as an apology.

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an apology fromt he american delgate. just so there is no confusion

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the romanian delgate takes offense to the suggestion that it holds grudges that it brings into other games and would like to make a counter

motion

for the retirement of the american delgate.

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The romania delgate thanks you for your support.

My POI to the speaker, is mearly, who he thinks is a member of the Axis of Evil.

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Current Resolution

MUNSCM 007: The Romania Referendum

Noting

that Romania is trying to protect veto-powered countries;

Also noting

that Romania is continuously attempting to cover over the possibility of a veto-powered Axis member;

Also noting

Romania's attempts to pass its actions off as actions of the Phillipines;

1.

Requires

that a nuclear missile attack be directed at Romania

2.

Strongly suggests

that any nation that vetos this attack be made the target of a nuclear strike to replace the strike intended against Romania.

being as this is the only copy of the resolution i can find i will speak on it.

to the first point. Romania is not trying to

protect

veto powered countries, Romania is only trying to make you all realize the odds of multiple Evil veto countries is slim. However, I do strongly believe there is 1 veto country whos intentions are not honest. I will admit, my opinions of the Veto countries have changed since this resolution was made. I felt an axised veto nation was over powered, but i already explained long ago, that was because a misunderstanding of abilities of Permanent members of the council.

To the third point, The Romanian delgate has already apoligized for its mistake. No real explanation exists, other than a simple mistake. Believe it or not, The romanian delgate is human.

To the first sub point, Romania is not a good target for nuclear strike, because it remains loyal to the UN. However, there are several Nations, The Phillipines and the USA which are not.



The Romanian delgate would like to add that it will be submiting a resolution to sanction a nuclear strike against the united states, and one to sanction a nuclear strike against the philipines as it has become obvious these 2 nations are in league with one another, and they wish to destroy the freedoms we hold so dear.


The Delgate from romania now stands for any questions.

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One, the delegate from Romania never clearly defended his positions that led about to the initial resolution against him. Continued questioning only led to aggression, and not answers.

Two, since stepping down and finding himself saved by the miraculous tabling of MUNSCM 007, the delegate from Romania did nothing but vote when necessary for a solid month-and-a-half, most likely hoping that the fervor against him would dissipate if he behaved.

Three, upon realizing that the only option available to the council at this time was the re-introduction of MUNSCM 007, the delegate from Romania immediately took the aggressive stance once again, and attempted to bring the weight of this council around on top of the Phillipines. With no proof and not even a slight shred of evidence to produce, the delegate from Romania again resorted to baseless accusations. An act of a desperate delegate, hoping to cover up his country's involvement with sinister powers.

i assume this is the post you speak of. to adress these points

Point One.
I have addressedt his several times. Any more questions regarding it will have to be specific, because i have said my piece on this.

Point Two.
The reason is i have not seen fit to make any other effort since then. Nothing has been done that would warrant me to do much more than vote. I wish to see the destruction of your nation as well as the USA, but support at the time was not sufficient, so i did not push for it. Actually, at the time in question, i was not actually suspicious of the USA so it was just you i guess.

to point three.
My accusations are not baseless. You have mad eit clear with your attack, for pathetic and flimsy reasons, that you are desperate and wish to destroy a loyal nation of the council. That is why i wish to see an end to you, but right now, the destruction of the United states is my top priority (ofcourse, behind me not being destroye though).

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1. At first, it was kind of OMGUS, but as the attack went on, i began to see the desperation of a guilty man trying to convince others to kill an innocent one. Then, when the USA joined the fight, the two seemed too together on everything. It was as if they had alterior motives.

2. I did not make an attempt shut of discussion. At the time it appeared as thought nothing could be doen to change the minds of the council, so i wasn't going to fight a mob that couldn't be qwelled. however, it appears my actions did qwell the mob, as the resolution was tabled, and the lives of my countrymen spared.

3. My isistance that we should not go after veto countries early on was one of the reasons that the ohilipines drew up this resolution, i was merely responding to his question.

4. I can not speak for the Delgate from the Philipines, all i acn do is theorize that he didnt feel his neck woould be put on the line. He felt that killing me would be an easy task.

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to the USA. I can not speak for the other nations, but I feel confident enough to agree to a binding clause that Romania Be Destroyed should a nuclear strike and the USA reveal its innocence. However, in the completely unlikely event that the USA turned out to be innocent, it would not be in the best interest of the council to destroy Romania, because it is innocent.

Now, To the Philipines.

it doesnt.

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The romanian delegate has a poor memory, so if you would kindly point out where this happened? ( i remember stepping down withut accepting POIs i just do not remember where it happened)

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ahh, yes, that was back when i thoguht that no veto nation would be a member of the Axis of Evil. As for my quick departure from teh podium, i felt everyting that i had to say had been said, and everything i needed to say had been said, so i felt no reason to stand for questions.

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vote against

lets just vote ont he resolution.

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vote against

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just because i do fear this is the end, i will speak out of order and say congrats to the axis, you have successfully pulled the wool over on most of the council ( i say most because those who suspect the USA know whats going on)

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no suprise there, as the third member of the axis takes his turn in putting a nail in my coffin

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its sad how feeble some of you are. you follow the three members of the axis, The USA, The Phillipines and Benin, as if they had you on a leash.

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we have to vote on whether or not to vote on nuking me? WTF, what is with all these procedures? anyone else think its time to make some resolutions that shave down on the middle steps that seem rather inconsequential? In that case I'll shut up. I thought you all had fallen for the cheap tactics of the ecil oness.

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vote against

those of you voting for this motion, i pity you, as you will be the next to be destroyed by the USA the Phillipines and Benin. congratulations axis, you guys will obviously win this game.

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the romania delgate has been turned into a vampire and is here to suck your blood.

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The delegate from Benin would like to respond to the delegate form Romania as follows: Aha! You admit it, then!

well obviously. what part of my post did you not read, it was an obvious admission.

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The United States officially has re-elected President George W. Bush as the President of the United States.

thats reason enough to nuke you.

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The Delegate from Romania seconds the resolution.

However, I do ask the Delegate from the UK to joint he speakers lists and explain Clause 2 and 3 as they are slightly confusing. I would also request that all members allow the submitter to be the first speaker.

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if the Benin delegate is talking to me then yes to all you asked.

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if im still the current speaker, ill step down.

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The UK

Votes in favor

of the motion and encourages other delegates to vote, as well as to read the most recent page of the thread.

what exactly are you voting on? there isnt a vote currently.

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oh that motion, well, now i look silly.

romania votes in favor

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The Phillipines would like an answer back on his Point of Information before voting.

what the hell did you want me to say that i didnt. and i cant be forced to do anything except not speak. the is no precedent for forced speaking.

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*The Romanian Delgate chuckles heartily*

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any clues as the the whereabouts of our chairperson?

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The United States suggests that we suspend actions until the return of the Chair. Although we have established decorum and order ourselves, we are not really officially recognized. It is as if we are sitting in a conference room with no chairperson.

oh crap, the United States delegate is reading my minds, i was gonnna suggest this last night but fell asleep before i could make my way to the floor