Mini 1099: The Prisoner Mafia. Game Over.

[The Rufflig]

VOTE: Plum

[The Rufflig]

I didn't make the awesome list? *sniff*
No, no. Don't put me on the list out of pity. I'll survive this blow to my ego.

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig eh?

Its been awhile my good friend.

I miss your wolf avatar.

I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage. I don't recall playing with Fate before. Knowing that I had a wolf avatar narrows you down to Newbie #863, #887, or #901 - what alt did you go by in that game? (or possibly #842 - but I disavow that as one of my official games).

[The Rufflig]

Two miller claims already? Mmmm.
UNVOTE: Plum

Either of the two millers wish to put a number with their claim?

[The Rufflig]

Numb er 4053096096029.

Seriously what the hell kind of question is that?

It's a very good question - especially if you are familiar with the show. Some numbers are better than others. Some numbers worked for number 2. Some numbers became the new number 2. Some numbers betrayed number two and helped number 6. You obviously lied about your number.

[The Rufflig]

Numbers for at least the roles with "Village Resident" in them were generated randomly and could range from 7 to 200.

Yes, I know - but I bet some people hadn't seen that and might have tripped themself up with a number greater than 200. Thanks for spoiling my trap.

[The Rufflig]

@tajo: That topic is dead.

[The Rufflig]

Great - like I wasn't having enough trouble trying to read Jack. Barring a Jack/Fate teamup, Jack's cc might actually be true???

I fail to see the reason behind the Spyrex votes.

[The Rufflig]

I was considering Ojanen for poking at Jack but voting Spyrex without comment early on, but this current line is much more entertaining and more likely to go somewhere.

[The Rufflig]

Why wait for day 2? I'll freely admit that I'm not following all the references that you guys are throwing around to past games that I've never read. chesskid obviously has some hard feelings about Hikari from a past game - that was easy enough to read. jack is purposefully acting suspicious - possibly for reads/possibly not - I don't have a handle on him. As for you, I'm curious why you faked a claim of miller.

[The Rufflig]

Yeah, I can get behind that. Voting Jack when his scum list is Chess, Spyrex, & Fate is just terribad.
VOTE: EtherealCookie

Although, I suspect he may be right about Fate.

[The Rufflig]

You're voting for someone not on your scum list. I'm not.

[The Rufflig]

My thoughts on Fate runs this way: a scum Fate makes a miller fakeclaim. Only Fate is cc by Jack. As Jack is looking like he might get lynched, this poses a danger to Fate as a miller Jack flip would likely get people looking at Fate the next day. So, Fate has to back off that miller fake claim and does so by pretending it was just a gambit. So, if Fate isn't actually a scum this leads back to my earlier question: why did Fate feel the need to make a miller fake claim? What benefit for town would it bring?

[The Rufflig]

You know what? I think I'd rather go with Fate.

UNVOTE: EtherealCookie
VOTE: Fate

[The Rufflig]

You may not know me as I know you, but your chances of getting me lynched today run around 5-10%.

So how about I improve the odds a little by expanding my case a bit? You were all over the map on this fake miller claim.
Everything from ridiculing Jack's claim, lynch Jack for his fake cc, earnest repudiation of Jack's claim to Jack's claim rings true. I think a little explanation is in order and I'm unlikely to move my vote much in the meantime.

Fate claims miller in post #25
Jack cc in #28
Fate #39 "lol Jack claimed miller." "LOLZ"
Fate #40 "Jack claimed powerful PR AND MILLER??" more LZOLs
Fate #42 "LYNCHLYNCHLYNCHLYNCH"
Fate #72 "Nacho once everyone posts I'll give you a surprise"
Fate #104 "The problem with Jack is that he didn't claim miller post 1."
Fate #107 "I'm not a miller."

[The Rufflig]

Fate #72 "Nacho once everyone posts I'll give you a surprise"
Fate #107 "I'm not a miller."

You missed the one in between.
Fate #104 "The problem with Jack is that he didn't claim miller post 1."
Why start a new line of argument about Jack's claim being untrue because of the timing of his claim just two or three posts before arguing that Jack rings true as a townie? Especially if Fate was setting up to reveal that Jack's claim was likely true. It doesn't fit.

[The Rufflig]

I was considering the possibility that both claims might be true and that there might be more such claims.

I asked Zorblag point blank in the confirmation stage whether this was a bastard game or not - considering the source of this theme, I thought such a thing would not be out of place. Zorblag stated that whatever he wrote was true, but would make no other guarantees. He also said that he had the Prisoner flavor in mind while creating the roles. So, it is quite likely that we do not have a "standard" setup.

[The Rufflig]

@Oj, fate, rufflig: vote cookie

Why? Your "SpyreX is scum", "Cookie is scum", and "Zang is town" style posts don't give your words any weight in my book. Nor do they lend themselves to helping me get a good read on you. How about you contribute some actual thoughts or analysis, first?

And you too, Zang - since you are here.

[The Rufflig]

Post Count:
Fate: 64 SpyreX: 42Chesskid3: 39
Jack: 19 The Rufflig: 18EtherealCookie: 16
Moderator: 12 (7 of which are vc)
populartajo: 8 Nachomamma8 & Ojanen: 4
Zang: 3Hiraki & Plum: 2

[The Rufflig]

Was that meant as a hammer, Fate? If it was, one of us has miscounted.
Camn miscounted too - but that is understandable in her case.
EtherealCookie: 6: populartajo (19), SpyreX (26), Jack (28), Zang (30), Plum (31), Fate (32) <--- L-1

And yes, I took #104 out of context.

[The Rufflig]

Ok so... your vote is still on me?

Fix that.

Okay.

Confirm Vote: Fate

Fixed.

Really now. What did you expect after such a scummy looking hammer attempt, Civil Scum?

[The Rufflig]

Well we didn't want to wait for claims so:

vote:Cookie

See you all tomorrow.

Still L-1, Jack. Some of us aren't in such a rush to end the day without reads on nearly half the town.

[The Rufflig]

Thoughts on EK who you were voting for once upon a time.

Tough question. Two competing wagons became one wagon on EtherealCookie who has made some terrible remarks. If this was a newbie game and EC a newbie player, I'd swear that EC was a townie and that scum was jumping all over him.
However, this isn't a newbie game and EC isn't a newbie. I'm not opposed to a EC lynch, but I am opposed to rushing it. Honestly, this rush to lynch him is making me second guess myself and make me think that perhaps I should be listening to my newbie game experience.

[The Rufflig]

Why in the hell did anybody vig Zang.

Would you like to explain that statement to the newbie?

[The Rufflig]

I see disappeared and garroted as the methods of killing and no way to tell which one is the scum kill and which one was the vigilante kill. However, you attributed the Zang kill to the vigilante and ruled out the possibility that it was a scum kill. How?

[The Rufflig]

I'm running off your assumption that there is a vigilante running about. I make no such claims as to the identity of the second party.
Since I can't have your answer, you can have my vote.
VOTE: chesskid3

[The Rufflig]

Wrong. I think you know that Fate was the scum night kill because you are one of the scum -- you accidently slipped up when you shared your knowledge that Zang was not the scum kill.

[The Rufflig]

@chesskid3: By which you are admitting that you are, in fact, not the vigilante. I feel much better about my vote now.

[The Rufflig]

@Plum: You know how everyone commented on how Jack's play this game is usual for him? Mis-repping is usual for me. It's my thing. I'll give you a couple recent examples one as me scum and one as me town, you can search out the rest if you wish.Newbie #1020 (Scum) Newbie #901 (Town)

@Jack: Then perhaps you can explain why Fate being killed by scum is obvious? I thought it was the other way around. Zang's intentional lurking would have made him look like he was hiding a power role and thus be a good scum kill. Fate, on the other hand, had indeed shown enough potential scumminess that the scum should have kept him around for a mislynch, but that same scumminess would have made Fate a perfect target for a vigilante. As I asked chesskid3 earlier, you want to explain that for the newbie? Because it sure as hell ain't obvious to me.

[The Rufflig]

Chess: 72
Jack: 24
Nacho: 4
Ojanen: 6
Plum: 6

The interesting thing about this post count is that it is misleading. Nacho, Ojanen and Plum individually have all contributed more to the game than Jack and chesskid3 combined.

EtherealCookie: 7: populartajo (19), SpyreX (26), Jack (28),

Zang (31)

, Plum (33),

Fate (36)

, Camn (37)
While Plum may suspect there was only 1 scum on EC's wagon, I suspect there were 2. That wagon grew way too fast for me to think otherwise. I'm naming Jack as one of those two scum due to his lack of any contribution to the game, his defense of chesskid3, and his refusal to answer any questions.

We already know chesskid3 is scum from his day 2 posts - insider knowledge, flailing, fishing for the vigilante role, etc.

I'm still thinking about the identity of the third scum.

[The Rufflig]

Bah! Want an off-the-wall theory on the disappearance? It's Zorblag's adaptation of Professor Seltzman's machine from "Do Not Forsake Me Oh, My Darling" - the psyche swapping device. Only since the psyche can't actually swap in real life, the one who used it dies (disappears). The roles/win condition of the two are swapped. The topic of identity theft was also covered in "Schizoid Man". The series also covered other themes such as brain washing, peer pressure and individual vs group (mason flavor fits well here). So, there could even be a cult running about to boot - though that is probably a bit overkill. There is something awfully weird about disappearance as a killing method and I bet there is some strange mechanic going on in the background.

On the topic of chesskid3 and Jack - eh, seems unlikely they would both be so obvious as scum, true. Though if they are town, they certainly need to get into the game or risk receiving the MVS award (most valuable scum) for all their help to the scum faction. Personally, I'll be pissed if they both turn out to be townies who threw away this game just so they can more easily win their other games as scum because "they always play this way".

[The Rufflig]

I don't use misrepping in every game and certainly not continuously throughout the game. It's a technique that proved useful to me in newbie games though it has completely failed here. I now suspect the technique will not work in any non-newbie game and I don't plan on using it ever again in any non-newbie game.

How many games have you been using your anti-town behavior in now and how often has it proven beneficial to the town?

[The Rufflig]

Please accept my heartfelt condolences, Ojanen.

I hope everyone else had an enjoyable Christmas.

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@chesskid3: You crossed the line in #375. You should offer Camn an apology.

[The Rufflig]

Then there is The Rufflig. The initial vote on EC was a little sheepy. The “he might be right about Fate” bit sticks in my ribs. He is voting EC and yet willing to give him credit at the same time. Just doesn't add up, conflicting ideas. Later he switches to Fate and pushes hard even though I get the impression of the two having some history, which to me at least implies he would know Fate and his likely hood to gambit. Pointless, fluff posts also set my gut on edge and that's before I even get to his reasoning for voting Chess today.

Sorry, you thought I was sheeping. I don't see a problem with voting EC and believing that Fate is scummy at the same time. The conflict is me thinking that scum could be calling out another scum for distancing purposes? That is not a conflicting idea. My vote was on EC for a max of 30 minutes before I switched my vote to Fate. While Fate knows me, I've only played with Fate's alt (probably only once). I have had to guess who Fate's alt is - a guess that Fate neither confirmed nor denied. So, no, I don't have good knowledge of what Fate's play style is like. Neither post you linked to was pointless or fluff. The "pointless" post was me calling out those who appeared to be lurking. The "fluff" post was me quietly advancing a theory that EC could be townie based on what was going on in the game and my past experiences - not "fluff" although it was completely ignored by our more experienced and supposedly wiser players.

[The Rufflig]

That said, garroted strikes me more as a SK than a vig simply because of the flavor.

Bingo! So why couldn't chesskid3 say that instead of floundering around and fishing for a vigilante claim? Even Jack ignored me. Garotting doesn't fit in with The Prisoner theme, so it was probably a sk kill. On a related note, the only guns I recall in the series were in the finale "Fall Out". The guns in "Living in Harmony" were fake of course. There was a bomb in "Its Your Funeral" as I recall. There was possibly poison in "Once Upon a Time". That's pretty much the lethal weapon list - unless you count rover in "Schizoid Man" - though he arguably wasn't programmed to kill.

I picked a fight with chesskid3 and then Jack in hopes that I could get them to actually say something. chesskid3's response makes me think I've found scum. Jack's continued anti-town play makes me think he's likely scum as well.

I actually like Camn - she's one of the few players actually participating in scum hunting. The only thing I haven't liked about Camn's play is her note that the EC wagon was going to fast for her and then she hammered on said wagon 3 & 1/2 hours later.

I like SpyreX, too.

I'm undecided on nacho, atm.

Plum and tajo seem slightly scummy.

[The Rufflig]

Seriously, Plum? You find my dropping a small scum tell now and then to be rage worthy, but don't even lift an eyebrow at Jack or chesskid3?

[The Rufflig]

Townie: Newbie #842 (replaced out), #863, #887, #901
Scum: Newbie #913, #1020

Ongoing: Mini #1099

[The Rufflig]

Ok, Sotty7, in your latest post you have now done to me what I have done to others. You have deliberately taken me out of context and picked a fight with me. As such, I see no need to respond to it.

[The Rufflig]

I really get the feeling you aren't reading the thread, Sotty7.

But ok, as far as the EC wagon goes. After I voted for him, you may notice I posted my case on Fate - by request. It was shortly after that post that I moved my vote to Fate as I felt the case on Fate was stronger. So, yes, there was a transition from EC to Fate. Sorry you missed it. As for my other posts not being loud enough for you - tough. I wasn't about to stick my neck out for someone that I didn't firmly feel was town.

I'm running off your assumption that there is a vigilante running about. I make no such claims as to the identity of the second party.

Since I can't have your answer, you can have my vote.
VOTE: chesskid3

You seemingly agree with Chess about the Vig in post 320. Your reason for voting him is how he attributed the kills. You make zero mention of a possible SK so to jump on my reasoning after the fact makes little sense.

You even quoted me and _still_ apparently do not understand what I said -- the only other alternative was that you were deliberately misrepresenting me. Is it not glaringly obvious that I was challenging chesskid3's beliefs and trying to goad him into making some sort of statement to support his beliefs?

As for Jack, I don't care if this is how he always plays - it is extremely anti-town. So, if he isn't scum, then he is playing [censored][censored!]

[censored!]

badly for a townie.

I'm looking forward to Jack fulfilling his promise that he is actually going to contribute to the game - eventually.

[The Rufflig]

Well, this wagon is going about as fast as the last one. Anyone wanna compare wagons?
EtherealCookie (7): populartajo, SpyreX, Jack,

Zang

, Plum,

Fate

, camn
Nachomamma8 (4): Plum, populartajo, camn, SpyreX (L-1)

All that is missing is a hammer from Jack and the people on the two wagons will be identical. Anyone want to claim that scum isn't all over this?

[The Rufflig]

You'll never know how painful this is, but at this point I'd rather see anyone on those two wagons lynched over Nacho. So,
UNVOTE: chesskid3
VOTE: Plum
one counterwagon coming up.

Loud enough for you, Sotty7?

And damn me for voting with chesskid3.

[The Rufflig]

Anyone know what happened to the troll?

[The Rufflig]

@camn: I'm inclined to believe that sotty7 was the only mafia member on the plum wagon. I am not willing to clear anyone on that wagon of being the sk, yet. SpyreX's hammer in particular seemed "off" to me - more of an IGMEOY for SpyreX, though.
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As far as the remaining mafia member goes, I'm inclined to think he was indeed on the EC wagon - especially since Plum asserted the belief that there was only 1 scum on that wagon. Of the four remaining players on the EC wagon, I'm betting on populartajo or Jack. Yes, I know Jack has that whole counterclaimed miller thing going for him, but 1) I don't believe he is a miller 2) He forgot where his vote was on Day 1 and 3) He isn't contributing. So he can remain a suspect in my book.

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@Jack: It's bloody later. Where is the more we were promised late yesterday?

[The Rufflig]

I don't think claims are going to help us, SpyreX. If we have an awesome PR, the pr will speak up when he thinks it will be of benefit for the town. I would ask that the mason remain quiet at this time and not claim.

[The Rufflig]

The reason I don't want the mason to claim is that I've figured out who it is. There is a specific post the mason can point to in this thread and prove that he is the mason - if he makes it into endgame. I do not believe he will make it into endgame if he is confirmed as a townie today. So - no - I don't want to see the mason claim today.

[The Rufflig]

@Nachomamma8: True, Jack did pull the nk drawing gambit in that game, but he was also an active participant in that game. So, in that respect, the game you linked proves that Jack is not playing to his established town meta in this game. I think we're going to have to disagree on this one as I don't see anything that compells me to believe Jack is town.

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Anyway, we have 3 (out of a needed 4) people who have said they are willing to lynch populartajo today. Jack hasn't expressed any preferences (big surprise). SpyreX wants a mass claim (slim chance) otherwise he favors a no lynch or a Nachomamma8 lynch. populartajo will be in the hot seat when he makes his appearance.

[The Rufflig]

I'm not being coy. I know who it is. You are appealing to the wrong person. If you want a mass claim then you need some support from the other players.
So far, it is one player for a mass claim and one player against.

[The Rufflig]

Don't blame the lack of claim on me. camn, Jack and Nachomamma8 have all ignored your call to mass claim, SpyreX.

But I'll tell you who the mason is anyhow - it's become painfully obvious who it is from our little exchange. I'm willing to vote Jack or populartajo - so they aren't the mason. Nachomamma8 claimed survivor - so he isn't the mason. You obviously aren't the mason. I claim not to be the mason. Gee, who is left? Oh, yes. camn is the mason. Remember that bet Fate had with chesskid3 about camn's alignment? Fate had no chance of losing. You can even see where Fate back pedaled in that exchange to try and hide the fact that he knew camn's alignment.

I hope you're happy now.

[The Rufflig]

Vanilla.

[The Rufflig]

so Nacho IS the sk. He's the lynch then.

The sk? Who is the last mafia then?

[The Rufflig]

Nevermind - reading fail.

[The Rufflig]

Any cop or doc drops to try and draw a nk from the scum, populartajo?
How about a little more flavor on the bulletproof?

[The Rufflig]

The flavor sounds plausible to me.

[The Rufflig]

I still have that off-the-wall theory about the disappearances. The role of number 2 is moving around like a hot potato at night. Each day has started with the name of a Prisoner episode. Day 1: Free for All: number 58 becomes the new number 2 at the end of the episode. Day 2: It's Your Funeral: Number 2 retires and is replaced with a new number 2 at the end of the episode. Day 3: Hammer into Anvil: Number 6 causes number 2 to be replaced at the end of the episode.

I hope number 2 can no longer move around since all his support is gone, but I wouldn't count on it.

[The Rufflig]

Spyrex, the second mafia was a Watcher. Do you really think there is no #2 in this game?

[The Rufflig]

@Jack: why wouldn't hypo-SK-nacho have claimed vig when he got run up?

@ Self... why wouldn't hypo-sk-poptajo have claimed vig just now?

Because we had already speculated early day 2 that we had a serial killer and not a vigilante. A vigilante claim ran the risk of not being believed followed by a quick lynch as a sk.

[The Rufflig]

Sorry about the wall - I've been trying to reduce the number of walls that I use but sometimes there is no substitute. I keep getting the same results: either Jack or populartajo is the last mafia scum.

P.o.E.
camn: mason - cannot be mafia or sk unless we are dealing with a neighbors/unconfirmed mason version of mason.

SpyreX: vanilla townie? - said I lost a million townie points for following chesskid3 onto Plum and then ended up hammering Plum a few posts later. If SpyreX was mafia scum he could have continued with his vote on Nachomamma8, moved his vote to me, or simply unvoted. The offhand way he hammered belied any interest in gaining townie points. Just does not seem like a mafia gambit to hammer partner.

Nachomamma8: survivor?? - Was not on the original EC lynch. I still think there were two mafia on it. Plus third party claim rings fairly true. Also appears to have been scum hunting. I do not think he is mafia.

populartajo: mafia? - Keeping this short as this stuff has already been mentioned - populartajo's play/vote record seems to fit my definition of a not so active scum. However, populartajo's bulletproof claim seems to fit in well game balance wise.

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Even so, the balance doesn't seem quite right for the game as a whole. If tajo is survivor - two mislynch = mafia win if a scum doesn't get nk'd.
A vigilante would seem to have been a more balanced role than a sk - even if there isn't a survivor. Something is missing.
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Jack: mafia?? - pulled a fake claim early day 1 in a possible attempt to draw the nk.
Question: has Jack ever pulled an early day 1 fake claim as a mafia scum or a pr?
If the mafia Jack is attempting to play like his townie self then I believe he would attempt it from time to time especially as it seems everyone expects him to do it as a townie - he could get away with it.
Jack appears to have mostly lurked through day 1 and day 2.
Question: As scum does Jack generally appear less active/interested in the game than when he is a townie?
Jack's suspect list day 1 and 2 (excluding rvs): fate(voted), SpyreX(voted), EtherealCookie(voted), Nacho, Zang, camn and The Rufflig.
Did not suspect: Sotty7, Plum, populartajo, chesskid3.
RVS? was Ojanen/Sotty7

Largest wagon on Jack (day 1): Fate, SpyreX, Hiraki/camn, Plum
Distancing by Plum? Ojanen was overall supportive of Jack's play. If Jack was town would another scum have joined this wagon or was it too weak a case? Was Ojanen's read on Jack honest or deflecting?

I wish there was more to look at for Jack.

[The Rufflig]

*sigh* So we're basing our lynch based on claim and game balance then?

I would like to amend my claim. I may not be awesome, but I am the BOMB!
Number 33 paranoid bomb setting village resident at your service. It is a reactive ability, if I am targetted an explosion will be heard in thread. The person who targetted me will end up 'exploded' as cause of death, if they can not survive an explosion (Rover probably could have). Note: my reactive ability does not stop whatever action was targetted at me.
When I saw everyone who I thought might be townie had no targetting roles, I decided to duck. I hinted at a bomb back here.

[The Rufflig]

Specifically, it is targets me with an active ability. It makes no nevermind what the ability actually does.

[The Rufflig]

I've had a hard time choosing between Jack and populartajo, but I'm betting on Jack.
VOTE: Jack

[The Rufflig]

To be honest, I'm still ok with a populartajo lynch. I'm almost ok with a no lynch as it is fairly likely the sk will go after populartajo and the mafia will go after Nachomamma8. As these are our two biggest suspects anyway... I know it's not a good idea, but it is fun to fantasize about.

[The Rufflig]

RUFFING do the right thing.

Yeah, I didn't think anyone was going to agree with me on Jack.
UNVOTE: VOTE: populartajo

Oh, did you want me to vote Nachomamma8? Let us pretend I don't see anything suspicious of Nachomamma8. State your case with black on white why Nachomamma8 is a better lynch today than populartajo or Jack. I'd appreciate it if everyone else waits for SpyreX's answer before jumping in.

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seriously, why is nacho still alive?

I'm not willing to hammer Nachomamma8 right now because I think you or Jack stand a better chance of flipping scum. Nachomamma8 stated a rather obvious point that everyone seems to be missing, but that I happen to believe in. The sk could be legitamately scum hunting. So, from my point of view we have a 1 in 2 chance of lynching the last mafia with you or Jack vs a 1 in 4 chance of hitting the sk by lynching you, Jack, SpyreX or Nachomamma8. (If camn was an unconfirmed mason then I don't think Fate would have made that outrageous bet). Also, I trust that number 2 is in this game as I don't think the mod is lying to us about him. You're welcome to address any of these points after SpyreX makes his case -- either that or try and get Jack to hammer Nachomamma8.

[The Rufflig]

^^
I don't think I need to add to that.

[The Rufflig]

@ruffig, seriously do you think im scummier than nacho?

Yes, I did. If we had lynched number 2 and rover or number 2 and the supervisor then I'd feel that there were no more mafia left and go sk hunting. However, we haven't lynched number 2. I think he is still around. My process of elimination narrows the last mafia down to you or Jack with a decent case on either of you. The case on Nachomamma8 boiled down to outguessing the mod. So, yes, I was favoring you over Nachomamma8. However, I've caught an assumption that I made which I probably shouldn't have.

I have been assuming that number 2 is still aligned with the other mafia roles. However, if the role of number 2 was combined with a third party role such as survivor or sk (thanks SpyreX), a lot of these sticky game balance questions would be resolved. Of course, now I'm the one falling into the outguessing the mod trap. My concern now is why did Nachomamma8 claim survivor? From the reactions from those of you who have played with a survivor before, it seems like survivor is a terrible claim to make especially with a sk running about.

[The Rufflig]

Setup speculation again, SpyreX? Didn't yesterday teach you anything?

I thought it was customary to vote no lynch in mylo when there are no confirmed townies. Also to no lynch without stating which way one was leaning to avoid giving the scum information as how to arrange lylo. Are we actually going to be lynching today?

[The Rufflig]

You keep assuming the game is well balanced. Even with the scum crosskill, the town only had 1 mislynch available. A second mislynch equals a town loss. It doesn't matter how you run the numbers, you can't make this setup into a balanced game. Basing a lynch off setup speculation of an unbalanced game is terrible.

Yes, the setup speculation yesterday led to a scum lynch - but to a mafia lynch rather than the sk lynch that the speculation pointed to.

[The Rufflig]

Anyway, to get back to the topic at hand:
VOTE: No Lynch

[The Rufflig]

Looks like it's up to you, Jack. Do you want a lynch today or not?

[The Rufflig]

Fine.
UNVOTE:

What I had in mind with the no lynch was fairly simple. I had already cleared Jack as possibly being the sk for the simple fact that he did try and draw the nk back on day 1. While I could see a mafia Jack doing that, I can't see any sk intentionally trying to get killed. The sk can only win if he survives.

That left me with SpyreX or populartajo as the sk with SpyreX looking like the probable nk tonight. SpyreX's death would have narrowed my vote to populartajo. While a Jack nk or no nk would have led me to a SpyreX vote. Of course now that I've laid down that card, a no lynch today would probably result in a Jack nk tonight as there are 2 players who will not vote for him.

VOTE: populartajo

[The Rufflig]

Thank you, camn. I'm sorry that I had to take you out of the game; it's a pity that you had to be the mason.

Overall, I enjoyed the game.

I'll make a couple notes: I took out Zang because he was hardcore lurking. When called on lurking, Zang got upset because he wasn't lurking more than x and y. I almost didn't take out sotty7. As SpyreX noted it looks like a risky move that could have led right back to me. In the end, I took out sotty7 because of the attempted directing of the nightkill posts. That produced enough suspicion of sotty7 in thread that I thought I could get away with it and still not be firmly connected to the killing. Taking out camn was forced and made me sad because camn had put a lot of effort into the game and deserved to be in the endgame more than some of the others who were left.

I had no intention of ever claiming bomb. However, it quickly became apparent that the town would not look for a third mafia unless I revealed that part of my role. Nacho had me genuinely fooled most of day 3. I knew that he couldn't win with me as a survivor, but I initially dismissed that as a genuine mistake on Nacho's part rather than a fake role claim - I am too stubborn to change my mind once I've made it up sometimes. In the end, I was ready to lynch Nacho, but I wanted to hear what he had to say first. Jack beat me to the lynch.