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Fabricating a mason claim on the theory that your "partner" is idle isn't a play anyone would reasonably do. I just don't belive it, though i'd like to see a replacement for pitbull. The only way I could see this working out was if Blackberry had a "silence" ability.
If anything, if Fudlu didn't had a very strong "claim", I'd be very suspicious of how he was pushing this.Did I say too much?-
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Fudlu: the problem is, lynching Blackberry without a replacement destroys information -- we could either change the probability of blackberry being scum pro/con or link another player into him, which could not be a bad thing. So yes, there's a lot of resistance to supporting a lynch which arguably destroys info.Did I say too much?-
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Fudlu: the problem is, lynching Blackberry without a replacement destroys information -- we could either change the probability of blackberry being scum pro/con or link another player into him, which could not be a bad thing. So yes, there's a lot of resistance to supporting a lynch which arguably destroys info.Did I say too much?-
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Pookie: AFAIK, -only- the player in question is enjoined not to discuss their role -- anyone else can do so.
Presumably, mason groups are an exception to this rule (ie, it breaks immediately if masons can talk about their fellow mason's rule is, so mason presumably must hold fellow mason roles as closely as their own), but I thought that speculation on roles you had no knowledge of was always fine?Did I say too much?-
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Hmm. If the prevailing theory is that they are heaven people, I think they're scum trying to pull the same trick WB, myself, and Thoth tried (unsuccessfully; damn the mod for making all scum affilation punctuation different from mason punctuation; we were so close, and WB for going idle!) in Asterix mafia.
heavenscum are an even better lynch than lurkers.
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It's pretty clear they aren't killers -- the primary reason to believe they aren't scum (well, I suppose we might be misattributing the "fire" deaths to Hell, thinking about it, but one assumes the demons -are- evil, whereas we really don't know about Heaven.
It is, of course, possible to be scum without being a killing group, but I think a cult is unlikely, and most other possibilities even less so.Did I say too much?-
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I think alko is more likely than esme -- esme instigated the GH bandwagon.
Sorry for the idleness over the weekend, but I was off filking.
Also, people seem to have misread alko's posts -- he was saying he was in his reading of the book as far as Sunday. The proximity to his discussion of claims made this more confusing than it seemed, but he was clearly talking about the book.
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Obviously -if- it's either esme or pooky+me, we should lynch one of pooky+me.
If it's pooky + me, it's lynch or lose.
If it's -just- esme, we can afford to lynch wrong today, lose a townie tonight, and still have 2 votes left to vote Esme off with.
That said, -are- those the only possiblities? If Esme (or Flay) are scum, are there any partner possiblities for them?Did I say too much?-
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Here's my problem:
1. I know I'm not paired with Pooky.
2. I know I'm not paired with esme.
3. If I am scum, presumably, Pooky is scum...but since I'm not, I can't really buy that as an argument. However, just because I'm not scum (I'm not) doesn't mean that Pooky is -not- scum -- he could be just playing a deep game (frex, he could be a mafia cop, and have decided to single me out as innocent in order to make sure that his partner would win).
Lemme look at the list again:
Mneme: Either scum with Pooky or not scum at all.
Mr. Flay: No info?
Esme: if scum, has outed a fellow scum-mate (GH). Seems unlikely.
Fuldu II: Not scum. Mason.
PookyTheMagicalBear: probably not scum (proven cop). If scum, is a mafia cop.
How sure are we of Mr. Flay?Did I say too much?-
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Eh. Or Pooky -- I keep forgetting that Pooky has found both Flay and myself innocent. If Pooky is guilty, one of us could be guilty. If he's innocent, than Esme must be our last scum (presumably, hastur).
Here's my problem:
I'd assume that if hell had one godfather, it would be Satan.
But Pooky is right that another godfather possibility is Sister Mary.
If pooky is scum, one of the people he investigated and found innocent may be scum.
But another possiblity is that an "innocent" person is actually an evil, investigation-immune Sister Mary.
If so, I don't really see much distinction between esme+flay (I know I'm not scum) and pooky+flay.
But...the common pattern there is "flay."Did I say too much?-
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Flay: it was a 5 day holiday, yes. And a weekend. Not all that surprising.
Esme has been harping on my "avoiding talking about roles". But I haven't -- I've certainly avoided speculating on my -own- role (because that's, you know, against the rules), but I've tried (not always successfully) to keep up with speculations on other roles and use such speculations.
The fact is, however, that the sprirt of the rules involves trying to play mafia, rather than work around the restrictions which are, after all, intended to avoid having us use the roles to solve the game rather than our mafia solving skills. So for the most part I've tried to do this.Did I say too much?-
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Esme: you are discounting the idea that you are one of the scum -- something you've been consistently ignoring. If you are one of the scum, since you have not been investigated, then only one scum needs to be either pooky or investigation-immune.
Since the argument is esme-as-scum vs esme-not-as-scum, this seems like a very silly thing to ignore.Did I say too much?-
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Great game, people. Pooky was -so- MVP this game; I don't think I'd have survived without him.
Though even I admitted at one point during that last day that -if- there were two scum, pooky was the most likely way that could happen...but somehow, enough smoke got into the air (and Pooky did look -so- harmless) that that never quite got taken as gospel...which I was somehow just as happy about. The thing was, -if- I wasn't scum, there were better possiblities than Pooky. After all, he'd only investigated one of the other two players, and so it was likely esme+someone else. Naturally -if- I was scum, Pooky was (and I was, and he was), but...
Very fun game; very complicated setup.Did I say too much?-
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I think the no reveal rule was primarily to finally, have at least -one- theme game where the entire bloody game didn't revolve around the players manipulating the roles and figureing out who the bad guys where by catching conflicting/false role claims or elimination.
There's a lot to be frustrated in, frex, Monkey Isle (where the first two days ended with a lynch-scum-by-claim-conflict (ok, the funny part was two different scum claiming a three headed monkey, but...)).
I suspect the best two ways to do heavily themed games are either:
No claims. People find out the setup as people die, and can't try to guess the setup in advance. Occasional modkills to make the point.
Open roles. People are assigned roles at the beginning of the game, and those roles start out revealed. However, good/evil groupds are assigned completely separate of the theme roles, so one can't look at the roles and try to divine alignment or aliegence.
The third way -- "mess with expectations" has been tried with some success -- I remmeber being told about a Harry Potter game where the Gang of Three were mafia. But it seems of limited use to me; why play theme when you aren't playing the theme? It ends up playing wifm with the mod, which is...interesting.
The fourth way -- have a game with so many characters that it's hard to game, is possible, but seems to have issues; these tend, more than anything, to not feel like you're playing a themed game at all.Did I say too much?-
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For open roles with random groupings, you have to come up with reasons for the grouping after the fact -- ranging from conspiracy to alien pod people. The fun factor there is that people can actually play their roles without fearing (much) giving up their identies.
Should look at RD.
I was overbashing the fourth way, but it realy does cut down on your choice of theme, and is the method that most easily leads to problems, since a game the GM -thought- was open enough that nobody would guess their roles can get broken due to miscalculation.Did I say too much?
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