Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[diddin]

Hello everyone.

Based on my initial readthrough the idea of passing antitown roles to someone scummy seems like a fairly good idea. Parama's hot potato thing is ...rather interesting.

Also, my role says something about a virus being unleashed. Should I fullclaim?

Also

Vote: Quadz08

. Early scummy vibes from him on that terrible "scumslip" catch, not to mention one on a claimed fairly powerful PR.

[diddin]

I actually see where Pops is coming from. I've seen interactions with role and scum-alignment cause this sort of confussion, which resulted in a delay of clarification, which is usually suspiciously defined. However, I'm not sure it's quite lynch worthy, just note worthy at the moment. I need to go back and check what the Virus is supposed to do.

I agree with the MoI plan and will definately be happy to announce all/any passing I do.

I also think the fact that the Treestump is testable during the day could be a useful scum hunting tool, but we need to figure out how many disruption roles we have first, meaning that targets should not be discussed prior to handoff, only after... for now.

EBWOP:

UNVOTE

my RVS vote.

Unvoting without a revote, ick.

unvote, Vote: WrathChild

Magna, I think this hot potato role is fairly powerful, do you not? I'm also getting town vibes from Parama, even more than usual in this game.

[diddin]

I actually see where Pops is coming from. I've seen interactions with role and scum-alignment cause this sort of confussion, which resulted in a delay of clarification, which is usually suspiciously defined. However, I'm not sure it's quite lynch worthy, just note worthy at the moment. I need to go back and check what the Virus is supposed to do.

I agree with the MoI plan and will definately be happy to announce all/any passing I do.

I also think the fact that the Treestump is testable during the day could be a useful scum hunting tool, but we need to figure out how many disruption roles we have first, meaning that targets should not be discussed prior to handoff, only after... for now.

EBWOP:

UNVOTE

my RVS vote.

Unvoting without a revote, ick.

unvote, Vote: WrathChild

Magna, I think this hot potato role is fairly powerful, do you not? I'm also getting town vibes from Parama, even more than usual in this game.

Haha, that's a first for me. Getting voted for unvoting without revoting? Is this standard procedure here?

It's scummy because you're sitting on the fence and not taking a strong enough stance on anybody to vote them.

[diddin]

I claim conditional dayvig. Now that the virus is active, I can "centralize" it on someone to get rid of it, killing the person. I am considering shooting WrathChild. Yay or nay?

[diddin]

unvote: Parama

This is even worse because it's not off your random vote. You have no excuse, you have taken quite a few stances, so why no revote?

unvote, Vote: popsofctown

[diddin]

With muh flipping town

VOTE: Parama

I'm going to believe muh on that one

Ummmmm... why? What does his alignment have to do with how accurate his (highly-OMGUSy) read was?

And, diddin, I completely do NOT understand your insistence that WrathChild is scummy. TBH, I find it ridiculous. He unvoted from a RV, big whoop. Why are you making such a big deal out of unvoting without a revote, anyway?

Yes, but the thing is he has called other people scummy, yet isn't voting. It looks like he's waiting to hop on a wagon. AKA he's not putting his vote where his mouth is.

I have as long as I want to activate my daykill. I have an unknown quantity of the kills available, as my power does not completely remove the virus.

[diddin]

I'm not just gonna shoot on instinct. I plan on using this vig shot like a second lynch because I don't know how many I have left. We should definitely all agree on a daykill before I do my thing.

TL needs to explain his reads. He's making a lot of stances with little evidence about them.

[diddin]

FoS AntB

HoSing someone for being a newbie and signing up for a Large Theme? Your scumhunting here is faker than Heidi Montag.

[diddin]

Oh for Christ's sake Quadz.

I do not know how many shots I have, but I know I have a limited amount of them.

Also I won't be on as much due to typical Christmas shit but you all should expect that.

[diddin]

Has anyone else noticed and/or wondered about the significance of this?

//PASSWORD: ************ USERID: MS1775305

//Welcome to Experiment Set x01 MS1775305.

//We've developed an entirely new program MS1775305.

MS1775305 -

TheLonging

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That just looks like flavor to me.

I just wish to shoot before the day is over. We can decide this democratically, you know.

[diddin]

also was getting ready to unvote, but I dont think diddin ever addressed my vote.

@Diddin, did you every explain why unvoting and not revoting is scummy?..do you have a game that you saw wscum do this?

It's scummy because it shows a player is not putting a vote where there mouth is. Unless it's close to or the hammer, it's scummy to talk a lot about someone being scum but unvoting and not revoting.

[diddin]

I shouldn't shoot the stump today. We use my kill today like a second lynch, the player with the stump power passes it on to the scummiest player, AS DECIDED BEFOREHAND by us. Then, tomorrow, the person I give my vigging power to can kill the player with the tree stump ability, taking care of two birds with one stone.

[diddin]

you won't be able to give it away unless you are scum
scum will totally kill you if you are town to get rid of that ability

ummmmmmmmm if I died wouldn't the ability still be passed off?

derp derp derp

[diddin]

Never mind then. Still works if there is a doc or something on me though.

[diddin]

Never mind then. Still works if there is a doc or something on me though.

No doc is going to protect you
if a doc would protect you he is an idiot
The town is going to vote on who you shoot if I have any say about it

I hope to god this is Furcolow who posted this.

A doc protect would insure I pass off my dayvig power tonight. Why is a doc an idiot for protecting me?

Also we've already decided to vote on who I shoot.

The only way this makes sense is if you think I'm one-shot, in which case you're seriously blind.

pops has gotten more protown. AntB hasn't. HoSing someone for being a newb, then throwing around a ton of suspicion on Sait while keeping a vote on Narsis for voting for gut. Earlier he FoS's Saint for ...swearing and randomly posting... yeah.

[diddin]

Since I forgot before,

unvote, Vote:AntB

[diddin]

Gonna go back to my old

Vote: WrathChild

. Lateralus presents a good case on him as well as what I brought up before. He's also started lurking...

[diddin]

Diddin, shoot WrathChild.

If I get a few more people to agree on this I most definitely will.

[diddin]

^good potential catch. I wouldn't mind lynching ckd today.

I'll wait for Wrath to claim and unless he has something amazing or somebody has a serious objection, I'll shoot.

[diddin]

I fail to see what's scummy about EC at all... if someone can post a case I'll consider it.

[diddin]

I'd be more willing to lynch Wrath... Helghast seems to be more of a vigbait player.

However I don't want to have ANOTHER claim and risk outing powerful roles. I've already forced one claim and really don't want to make someone else claim.

[diddin]

He's posted... pretty much a whole lot of nothing really. His last post may be a chainsaw, but those read null without a flip.

Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit.

[diddin]

He's posted... pretty much a whole lot of nothing really. His last post may be a chainsaw, but those read null without a flip.

Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit.

Count me as a 2nd who has not seen anything scummy about Helghast. What is the reasoning there?

As for EC, his attack on Parama was all over the place. He attacked him for passing the Bomb off, the alternative was to keep it. I questioned him on this and did not care for the response.

Quite a few people have said EC. If you are not going to switch to EC, my vote is to keep it on the player who has claimed no power (WC) before Helghast.

You realize I'm talking about themanhimself in the first paragraph, right?

I'm not shooting EC. Helghast has already claimed no power as well.

[diddin]

When either everyone nominates or deadline approaches, I will shoot on who has plurality.

@WC: How is tunnel vision a scumtell? How am I tunneling on you?

[diddin]

Ummmm... no. It's possible that the Mod used a variation on the Tree Stump ability for this game. The Wiki is not always going to be correct.

[diddin]

no ask chkflip about it the wiki is god

i lol'd

[diddin]

Yeah I need to post inthread to activate my kill.

[diddin]

Post Count:

-LynchMePls: 2

-RedCoyote: 12
-MagnaOfIllusion: 11
-themanhimself: 21
-Lateralus22* (Thelonging): 24
-WrathChild: 23
-curiouskarmadog: 28
-Helghast: 11
-Powerrox93: 13
-quadz08: 19
-chkflip: 17
-Nero Cain: 11

-Narsis: 6
-Q21: 3

-diddin: 27
-popsofctown: 54
-SnakePlissken: 1
-I Am Innocent: 15
-StrangerCoug* (UnofficialRuler): 4
-Parama: 35
-Implosion: 16
-EtherealCookie: 14
-Saint/Vi: 27

What do you wanna achieve with doing that kind of list?

Looking at lurkers and distinguishing them from inactives is just a first easy step for me to begin scumhunting. I'm not sure what this meta is like, but where I come from, scum lurking to victory neared epidemic proportions and lynching lurkers became a necessity. I'm always open to lynching based on scummy plays, but I did just want to take a quick look at the low-post-counters. Now that Narsis will be replaced:

UNVOTE

<_<

I really want to shoot this guy AND Helghast. Oh, how I wish I could. I'll probably be shooting WC though since he seems to be the most popular choice.

Also, I go back to school tomorrow, meaning my posting may increase or decrease based on what I have going on. Just letting you all know.

[diddin]

He's posted... pretty much a whole lot of nothing really. His last post may be a chainsaw, but those read null without a flip.

Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit.

Count me as a 2nd who has not seen anything scummy about Helghast. What is the reasoning there?

As for EC, his attack on Parama was all over the place. He attacked him for passing the Bomb off, the alternative was to keep it. I questioned him on this and did not care for the response.

Quite a few people have said EC. If you are not going to switch to EC, my vote is to keep it on the player who has claimed no power (WC) before Helghast.

You realize I'm talking about themanhimself in the first paragraph, right?

Nope. I'm not making someone else claim at this point. I'm either shooting WC or Helghast.
I'm not shooting EC. Helghast has already claimed no power as well.

Here we go. Do you stand by this Diddin?

[diddin]

He's posted... pretty much a whole lot of nothing really. His last post may be a chainsaw, but those read null without a flip.

Unless there are some serious objections, I'm gonna go ahead and shoot Helghast. I'll support a lynch of Wrath today instead as Helghast is screaming vigbait to me quite a bit.

Count me as a 2nd who has not seen anything scummy about Helghast. What is the reasoning there?

As for EC, his attack on Parama was all over the place. He attacked him for passing the Bomb off, the alternative was to keep it. I questioned him on this and did not care for the response.

Quite a few people have said EC. If you are not going to switch to EC, my vote is to keep it on the player who has claimed no power (WC) before Helghast.

You realize I'm talking about themanhimself in the first paragraph, right?

I'm not shooting EC. Helghast has already claimed no power as well.

Here we go. Do you stand by this Diddin?

Nope. I'm not making someone else claim at this point. I'm either shooting WC or Helghast.

fixed

[diddin]

I would have liked to hear why Diddin won't shoot EC, but if he won't obviously I vote Helghast cause he has a better chance of being scum than me.

I don't want to make someone else claim. I said it a few posts up.

[diddin]

Darla is a good lynch candidate for today based on that last post.

Seems people have forgotten that my vig shot isn't what the game revolves around. We have a LYNCH VOTE too and we should use that just as much.

[diddin]

I was busy like hell today as I think I posted a while back.

I'm vigging Helghast TOMORROW unless there are serious reasons why I shouldn't. It provides more connections than if I were to shoot WC (powerrox adamantly defending him, Saint HEAVILY attacking WC last minute)

I would rather see a vig hit on Narsis or EC than WraithChild

Vig wc

Direct Contradiction. I say hang him.

Unvote, Vote: Saint

[diddin]

It's the fact that Saint left no explanation to his sudden change of reads.

Also, I meant next REAL LIFE day. I wanted to wait until as close to deadline as possible.

Daykill: Helghast

Anything else?

[diddin]

I wanted to wait until as close to deadline as possible.

Why the hell would you do that? *scumdarasplode*

Because shooting before everyone can voice their opinion on a daykill we were going to decide to be done democratically is a great idea!

I also think that Diddin should examined a bit closer because essentially he limited his Vig targets to only myself and Helghast, he refused to kill EC. It seems to be a safe-scum play to limit the vig targets as he did. While he made it appear that we had a choice, it was win-win for Diddin IF he is scum.

My God you are slow.

How many times did we agree I was shooting people with a lot of votes (hint: not EC)? How many times did I say I didn't want someone else to claim and potentially out a stronger power role? It's like I'm talking to someone and whenever I make a point they stick their fingers in their ear and go LALALALALALA YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG

Quadz: Why are you lynching VI's when you have SCUMREADS? Why is lynching an anti-town player that you think *COULD* be scum when you could lynch someone you're pretty sure is scum?

Anti Town does NOT equal scummy. You have failed to voice your opinion on whether you even think power is scum or not.

unvote, Vote: quadz08

[diddin]

I hate to be the guy that says this, but we've had

three

townie deaths today..... maybe a no lynch wouldn't be such a bad idea?

[diddin]

WC, you're seriously misrepping the situation. When I had lowered it to two possible vig candidates those were the ONLY two with a substantial amount of votes. You're making it sound like EC had just as many votes to be vigged as yourself or Helghast, but only one or two people mentioned him for vigging.

@Someone who asked: My ability is currently "recharging." I'm guessing there is another event that will make it usable again. Maybe the hot potato comes back tomorrow?

Also, WC calls Quadz town "because he's active and doesn't look scummy." Hello, buddies.

[diddin]

@IAI: How about you post your own content instead of just QFTing posts you agree with?

I also already said I didn't want to force another claim. I already had two popular candidates for vigging who claimed (I believe WC and Helghast had both claimed at the time. Feel free to correct me) no power. I did not want to risk outing a powerful town PR. I don't know how many times I've explained it.

[diddin]

Mod probably didn't notice the error.

Parama y u trollin

[diddin]

Fuckin hell man the deadline is getting close.

A powerrox lynch is preferable to me over a tmh lynch. Outside of suggesting a no lynch, tmh has played fairly pro-town. Powerrox's iso drips of scum, pinning suspicion on Parama forever for the muh bomb (which was not Parama's fault) and failing to explain his strong town read on Helghast.

Unvote, vote:powerrox

since the quadz lynch isn't happening in the next few days.

There's been talk of vigging me. If you guys think it's going to happen, implosion should at least pass me the tree stump ability so it can go away at the time of my death.

[diddin]

TMH is scum. Remind me again how directing a vig power to yourself is protown? Also, he passed me his ability. It's pretty much a "busdriver" ability that I can only imagine mafia would have.

Vote: themanhimself

Also posting townreads and the like is NOT a scumtell like you seem to think. You obviously haven't realized that Parama does stuff like this regardless of alignment.

[diddin]

Seems like a good idea to me. I had the power to change the cycle of night choices for N1. For example, I could tell the mod to send diddin's power to someone else regardless of who diddin tried to send it to. I sent the day-vig ability to myself and the person who got my redirect power knows who they are probably figured out why I sent it to them. I'm all for using my power democratically

Learn to fucking read Parama.

TMH was arguably the second most popular lynch candidate yesterday. Why would he, as town, pass a powerful ability to himself if he knew he could be lynched today and lose the power? There's absolutely no town motive to. At all.

I'm going to love being confirmed town tomorrow.

[diddin]

Why wouldn't I take it? Diddin could very well have decided to send it to scum or dumb town who would just vig whomever they felt like and hit someone wrong, this way I know it's in safe hands and that it can be used as a second lynch. However, I'm not gonna stall like diddin did. I have to wait for the virus to be activated in order to use so 48 hours after it's activated, I'm day-vigging whoever has the most votes. I'm only going to count one vote from each person and bolding helps. Nor am I going to narrow it down. Whoever has the most votes (excepting me of course) gets vigged.

^by the way this is a scumslip because he assumes I'm town instead of including the possibility I'm scum and that whoever I passed my ability to would be confirmed.

Vote: Quadz

. Still my number 2 suspect. Quadz wanted to lynch powerrox, whom he thought was anti-town and a hinderance, over tmh, who he expressed actual, legitimate scum suspicion of. TMH is confirmed scum to me, and now quadz is to.

Bunny also gets an FoS for FoSing TMH. Bunnylover is currently not voting for anyone, yet is putting down a pretty hard FoS on TMH. Looks like scum afraid to bus their buddy. A vigging of Bunny today would make me very, very happy.

@LMP: TMH passed me his redirector ability. Scum cannot pass abilities between their team. Ergo, when TMH flips scum, I am confirmed town.

[diddin]

Parama stop trying to be Fate and expect people to sheep off you.

[diddin]

Just letting you all know, but I will have no access until tomorrow evening.

[diddin]

Looks like I was back from my friend's party early. If this isn't coherent it's because I've been awake for almost 24 hours now.

But, Bunny is scum. That is a damn good slip, and Bunny's effort to try to cover it up reeks even more of scum. I know how Bunny plays as scum, and I know she starts spouting ATE and flailing like no tomorrow when she is caught. I have no problem with her being virus'd.

[diddin]

WC is scum for selective scumhunting. In other news, it is January.

[diddin]

What is the record for the longest day 2 in mafiascum?
Could this virus be the reason this game become the longest game v_v?

Not as long as it's taking for you to post content.

[diddin]

SO yeah I got the virus. BRB passing it

[diddin]

I passed it to Buunny. Yes, I am burning the postcount.

[diddin]

Quadz I can't because it's ongoing.

[diddin]

RedCoyote you have HARDCORE tunnel vision on me. You have said NOTHING about whether you think tmh is scum or not today, and that plays a big part of my alignment. It's like you're ignoring him to get me lynched. In fact non-mention is a pretty strong buddy tell.

I would have no problem with this guy being vigged/bombed/lynched.

[diddin]

The cycling of the ability I got works totally differently than the redirection.

Here's how it works: I pick two people. Let's call them A and B. When I use my power, any powers A would pass off instead get passed off to B. So last night, when tmh had the power, I was A and he was B.

I can then pass off the power as usual.

[diddin]

I'm guessing I can take no action as the rules say nothin about being unable to. If so I'll do nothing with the power and pass it to tmh if we lynch him tomorrow.

[diddin]

Just passed the virus to Darla btw.

Gonna have no access tomorrow so don't try shit CoyoteScum.

[diddin]

I got the virus and passed it to diddin, I think he's extremely scummy and I've brought it up before. One thing I want to mention is that from my interpretation of the redirector role PM, it's not a standard ability. I'm only bringing this up because if diddin survives and passes the ability, he'll probably try to pass it to scum to clear one or the other (assuming he's scum, which I am).

Both virus PMs I have received have explicitly said the ability is nonstandard. The redirector PM does not, and you should know that because you had it before. This is scum trying to smear me.

[diddin]

Why are you guys so sure we will have a daykill tomorrow?

I couldn't agree more with this. I was told I have an unknown limited quantity of kills left. I have a feeling tmh might not be willing to eat the virus and with no virus, no daykill. There even may be no virus tomorrow.

I'm giving tmh the Redirector ability tomorrow.

Coyote is acting scummier with every new post. He's misrepping the situation like crazy.

Here's what I say: Whether he is scum or town, we aren't lynching tmh today. So if I'm lynched, it's just an extra mislynch for us! As such, there is no way I'm willing to be lynched or killed today.

[diddin]

What everybody else said. My town flip does NOT confirm tmh as scum. So were back to the same situation, just with an extra mislynch.

I find people who want a day to keep the dayvig ability alive but don't want to wait a day to pass off the busdriver ability to a more worthy lynch candidate hypocritical.

I want tmh to shoot bunny quadz or RC. We don't lynch tmh today. Why? Because if he's scum he's forced to pass his ability to town tomorrow, giving us +1 confirmed town.

[diddin]

WrathChild is agreeing with what Parama said, you strange, silly person.

[diddin]

tmh is misrepping Wrath's opinion either way. Wrath previously said (it might've been in them BIG LETTERS) that my towlflip would indicate nothing about TMH's alignment.

[diddin]

So much for DOING THE DAYKILL DEMOCRATICALLY YOU MORON. If you're not scum then I've lost all my faith in my Mafia ability.

[diddin]

I have a good reason we should lynch tmh today, but if he is scum, I don't want to give him any ideas. All in favor of me outing?

[diddin]

Ok. We should lynch TMH today because if he is scum, he could just pass the dayvig ability to the player his team is going to nightkill, sending it to "the void."

unvote, Vote: themanhimself

[diddin]

Ok. We should lynch TMH today because if he is scum, he could just pass the dayvig ability to the player his team is going to nightkill, sending it to "the void."

unvote, Vote: themanhimself

That's a self-defeating argument considering that you're in possession of an ability that utterly nullifies that point

Good point.

TMH and Diddin, does the Bus Driver ability allow you to send someones power to anybody, or does it have to be yourself?

This is true. Now if we don't lynch tmh I'll take the dayvig ability back to save it from the void if that's ok with everyone.

[diddin]

DBE replaced Narsis, Bunnylover.

I'm down with a WC lynch today

unvote Vote: WrathChild

[diddin]

So... after those ISOs (which took much longer than I intended. Dammit, school) I’m thinking that TMH is scummier than diddin. diddin has been considerably townier on D2 than he was at the beginning of the game. TMH, on the other hand, has gotten scummier and scummier and scummier as the game goes on. The steal of the dayvig is just so anti-town I can’t even believe it. Then, he sent the busdriving ability to a scumread, which is almost as bad.
Something that’s bugging me, though, is everyone’s insistence that only one of them can be scum. That’s NOT TRUE. Very simple. Not true. They can absolutely both be scum, just on different scumgroups.

Vi, I appreciate you catching up and everything, but I think agree with IAI. Your scum/town lists from earlier in the game aren't terribly helpful; if anything, they're confusing. I'm quite interested to hear your reads once you're fully caught up, though.

After reading the arguments on lynching TMH tonight, I'm actually going to do a 180: he should get the stump and get vigged tomorrow. It makes too much sense to NOT do it. Having the dayvig around longer is a concern for me, but if it's pretty much gonna be used to get rid of TMH/the stump, there's no reason to get rid of it.

UNVOTE:

At this point, I'm not terribly confident in any of my reads. diddin's D1 play, though, stands out to me as the scummiest thing thus far, so

VOTE: diddin

[diddin]

My ability is standard. Any ability that is nonstandard is stated to be so in the PM according to the mod.

[diddin]

I honestly don't see why you couldn't, implosion. I also doubt the Mod would tell me since he wouldn't tell me, a townie, what scum can or can't do.

[diddin]

You've played two days of a game with me. You should know by now that almost everything I say is dripping with sarcasm. Shame on you.

[diddin]

It would be voided, as if it were sent to someone who died by the original redirector, I guess.

And I was right. Mafia can use the redirection ability to pass abilities between themselves.

[diddin]

>RC gets flak for pushing me hard.
>RC announces he doesn't want my lynch today.

hmmmmmm...

[diddin]

^Quadz is so scum.

Him or WC, decisions, decisions...

[diddin]

unvote Vote: quadz08

dat bigger wagon

Also, tmh lied about the redirector ability. It's standard. Mod-confirmed, an ability is only non-standard if the ability PM explicitly says so.

[diddin]

q21 does seem like a good tmh partner, yes, yes.

[diddin]

You can't be sure TMH is mafia unless you are mafia.

Don't be thick, you know what he means.

[diddin]

I didn't think about that, ok, whatever. My point is, you shouldn't put too much faith in the human component of scumhunting. Finding scum once doesn't refute that, at all.

Diddin, want to tell him about the game where I called Derby Bolts scum by page 3/4? Yep scum.

So does finding scum twice refute that?

Oh wait, there was the game where I was all over Doctor D1, he was scum.

Another game where I played with Deer and we nailed another scum D1.

How about 4 times, in 7 games as townie? Now do I get some cred?

Oh god I'm going to have nightmares about that game.

[diddin]

4/5 scum called, bitches.

More thoughts later when I don't have to shower.

[diddin]

Furcolow dude you've played so much better in this game than your reputation suggests. You're getting a lot better.

Same to IAI. In Growing Pains you were the same smart, analytical obvious townie you were here, but you weren't very aggressive. I'd like to think I taught you how to be aggressive even though I made a dunce out of myself in that game;)