Mini 1107: Just a Game (Game Over)

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/conformists

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VOTE:Parama

FOR GREAT... JUSTICE?

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Anyone wanna actually explain why the crap is in the fan on page two? Seriously. And I want to hear a real reason, not some garbage "RVS" reason.

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Unvote; Vote:Neruz

Yes please.

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Unvote

Parama's claim + the following mod clarification really irks me.

If anyone has a claim that is not on the list given in the rules post, you should speak up, and we'll get a lynch going.

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Really Parama? Did you need to claim scum?

At this point I want you lynched town or scum. You aren't going to help either way. I don't care if it was a joke.

VOTE:Parama

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@VV: If I claimed scum right now, would you lynch me?

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VOTE:Neruz

It's the right thing to do.

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I'm not explaining the primary reason for my vote yet.

Cecily, however, is a highly likely target if I decide to move it though.

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@NS: Yeah, I have no idea why they killed ICE. Best thought is to WIFOM us out of looking at the others in the list for partners though.

Also, VV can join Cecily.

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@ Hiraki and RBT: I don't understand your play. If you won't explain your reasons for voting, how do you expect to persuade anyone to join you?

I'm intentionally playing a bit on the "mysterious" side right now. When my plan is ready to be exposed in full, you will know.

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@ Hiraki and RBT: I don't understand your play. If you won't explain your reasons for voting, how do you expect to persuade anyone to join you?

I'm intentionally playing a bit on the "mysterious" side right now. When my plan is ready to be exposed in full, you will know.

Well, I think it is usually a good idea to share information for town. Why wouldn't sharing your thoughts with us be helpful? I'm a little worried that you might be trying to solve everything on your own and then pointing out who is scum right before you get lynched (kind of what Parama did).

I don't disagree, but right now is not an okay time to share my information. Fear not, though, for as long as the town isn't stupid, I will be able to share it.

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Get lynched.

How about Cecily instead?

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your only point in me being scummy is my breadcrumb, to which I replied

Yes, werewolf, but you were the first to not read the game, and I like going in order. Plus, the shit-breadcrumb thing. I'm not buying

for a minute

that it was a "joke."

you're right
Bread crumbing

Iamcool

must

be a secret code!

I can see it being a "hey let's lynch ICE" to your buddies.

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Unvote; Vote:Cecily

This is certainly a better place for scum lynching.

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Yeah. Cecily's post confirms two things.

1) Scum by association

2) Rice is über town.

Methinks you get it.

And yes, Cecily, your constant pushing of me without doing any other idea of scumhunting, connections, or honestly, even trying to do anything than get me lynched.

Die scum die.

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Wait, so you want me to be pushed up to a claim, but don't think I should be lynched?

Good thing I was already on VV for being exactly like Cecily has been.

There's two easy scum for you town.

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I am not tunneled on RBT, but to me it's like standing in a crowd and seeing a few sketchy characters and one is just standing out with a bazooka. Of course I'm still paying attention to the sketchy ones, but I'd rather deal with the bazooka.

'Cause the anti-scum bazooka's pointed at your face.

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I'll never betray my scum buddy!

Fear not, Cecily dies tomorrow.

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Vote:Cecily

Do it.

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1)

VOTE:Cecily

2) Unfortunately, MC is a good idea.

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Anyone who could confirm his role would be dead Hiraki.

I'm quite VT.

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NS - PGO
RBT - VT
Withnail - VT
Hiraki - Tracker
Neruz - JK
Cecily - Cop
Sordros - Doc

1) Neruz needs to die.
2) Cecily and Hiraki need to give results

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Night one I investigated ICEninja and came up with an innocent result, which really didn't matter considering he was killed that night anyways.
Night two I felt confident enough in my riceball argument that I wanted to figure out the next likely candidate so I checked Hiraki and also came up with an innocent result.
Last night I got a guilty result with riceballtail.

Hiraki, please share now.

This is either extremely poor play, if you were town.

Lynch this liar.

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I am very confused about my innocent reading now and am willing to disregard it because this evidence seems convincing enough. I'm with Neruz though. His N2 calls seem next to impossible given what everyone else is saying and thus puts him as scum in my book.

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vote: hiraki

So much for your guilty scum investigation right?

Thanks for the obvious fake claim.

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Scum team is definitely Neruz/Cecily/Withnail.

I still think Cecily should go first.

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Is everyone missing Cecily here?

This should be a 1v1 with a 100% guilty result on me.

Also, has anyone visited Nobody this game?

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I'm going to assume you can read With.

But, since you've missed it the last two times...

CLAIMED COP GUILTY = NOTHING ELSE SHOULD BE RELEVANT

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RBT: Yes I can read, thanks. Unfortunately your last statement is not written in English. Do you mean that the claimed cop is guilty, or that the guilty report she's claiming is wrong, or ... ?

Your questions don't matter. This is a 1v1 scenario, and everything else has to be discerned later.

As per the claim, either I'm scum from Cecily's investigation, or Cecily is lying, and should be lynched.

If I was scum, I would vote Hiraki right now.

Watch how I'm not.

Watch how this means Cecily is scum.

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I'm guessing you're either scum, or don't get it.

FACT: One of {RBT/Cecily} MUST be scum.
FACT: There may be up to three (probably two) other anti-town members out of {Everyone Else}
FACT: Cecily claimed a GUILTY investigation on me, but has no issue voting someone else, as quickly as possible.

CONCLUSION: Cecily is lying scum.

Figure the rest out after they kill another townie off.

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Night one I investigated ICEninja and came up with an innocent result, which really didn't matter considering he was killed that night anyways.

Night two I felt confident enough in my riceball argument that I wanted to figure out the next likely candidate so I checked Hiraki and also came up with an innocent result.

Last night I got a guilty result with riceballtail.

Lynch.

VOTE:Cecily

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Updated.

NS - PGO
RBT - VT
Withnail - VT
Neruz - JK
Cecily -

Cop

Lying Scum (Should be dead)
Hiraki -

Tracker

Scum (Dead)
Sordros - Doc (Dead)

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It's definitely someone with an n in their name.

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After four town PRs, I'm really not seeing a PGO. We'd have seen a two-flip at some point.

VOTE:NS

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I still am somewhat baffled by the thought of two jailkeepers in one game.

How did you know Neruz was telling the truth?

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I never had any information. I just play mysterious sometimes to watch people who will vote and push my wagon. I can analyze other people's wagons somewhat as well, but I've never been as good at it as watching my own. The reason I knew Cecily had to be scum (and Neruz was only picked because of my vote on him the previous day), is because "Vote RBT blah blah blah sit on it and do nothing else". I only act that way in order to draw the easy scum votes onto myself, and catch them early.

Scum never like people with information.

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The case against RBT

1. Contributed basically nothing on Day 1.

2. Falsely claimed to have "information" on Day 2, and promised to share it with the town.

3. Despite #2, was apparently never targeted by the mafia for a NK. How likely is that?

4. Though he claims to have "known" that Cecily was mafia, which turned out to be true ... he was also "certain" at various times that Neruz, VV, and then me were all mafia. In other words, he didn't stick to the gambit of "I've got information about Cecily". So I don't really see the purpose of the gambit, if it was one.

5. In lylo, he became obsessed with lynching Cecily, despite the extremely strong case against Hiraki ... and the advantages of lynching him first in terms of proving Cecily's guilt. Defended his p.o.v. with a very weak argument, and pointedly and persistently refused to answer questions about it. I can't see any town reason for this behaviour. But there was a clear advantage for the mafia: Hiraki was a Roleblocker, while Cecily was just a Goon.

6. It seems pretty clear that Neruz thought NS was the last mafioso - see post 527 in particular. Neruz was a jailkeeper, and yet he died last night. I would have expected him to try to jail NS. Which would have prevented NS from killing Neruz ... but might have led to Neruz's death if NS really is a PGO. Or am I perhaps misunderstanding something about one of these roles?

NS: are you notified as to whether you PGO-killed someone in the night?
[Neruz - I'm silently cursing you for not delaying Yesterday a bit longer! ]

1) Nothing new. D1 is the worst for me.
2) I never said that I had ANY information. I had a reason, but never claimed to have information.
3) I'm just as surprised as you. I was expecting to eat the NK last night. I was honestly hoping to eat the NK N2 too.
4) When Cecily claimed to have a guilty on me, as town, I clearly knew that I have the only proof of her lie. Her constant lurking, and lack of interest of pushing anybody BUT me to the noose is a common scumtastic maneuver.
5) See 4. When you know for 100% certain someone is scum, you lynch them. Especially since cop claim/etcetcetc.
6) Neruz probably protected you With. He was hoping that NS would shoot me/vice versa, and you'd be cleared because you were neither killed or attempted to kill someone else.

As for NS':
1) Always scummy.
2) AtE, ignore it.
3) Also very accurate, but not always convincing. I've abstained from a hammer to keep a pro-town image as scum.
4) PGO is either third-party or protown.
5) Very much so.
6) Already stated that previously too. This is also offset by having a Vig in the mix as well.
7) Throw me under the bus, gain credibility. Also very common scum move.
8) Very much so.
9) And also never lure a scum kill, which is your primary objective as town to eliminate.

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As I said previously, I've abstained from a vote to keep my pro-town image, when it could have led me to victory. It's all WIFOM. NS has been on every lynch wagon, but was not voting at the time of Hiraki's lynch.

I did have information, Cecily was super scum. It was formed from the horrible play made in thread. Scum not piling on the wagon to prove it just made it easier.

I was never trying to say that everyone was wrong about Hiraki, per se. What I did know is that Cecily had a claimed guilty investigation on me. That should have been the primary focus for the day. Worst case, it's 50/50 odds. People noticing Hiraki's botched claim wasn't wrong, or bad, but my focus was on pointing out the terrible play of Cecily to guarantee a scum lynch.

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I still don't understand why you would do that, given the evidence that everyone else saw.

Because my primary goal was to clear myself by lynching the lying scum "cop". Everything else kinda became irrelevant to me.

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You mean you're going to lurk on it for as long as possible, hoping for a NL?

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I have a feeling that the three protective roles and three roleblockers might have something to do with it.

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Rather than go point by point, I'm just gong to add some thoughts. The two most damning things in RBT's detriment are the "sooper seekrit info" gambit thing and the Sure Solid Knowledge that Cecily was scum. Also, the fact the he's STILL ALIVE despite such a scummy gambit AND being called out on it throughout the game. (As a side note, if I were scum and he pulled this type of thing being town, I'd be all over it to lynch him, rather than nightkill him.)

Also, this:

I never had any information.

I just play mysterious sometimes

to watch people who will vote and push my wagon. I can analyze other people's wagons somewhat as well, but I've never been as good at it as watching my own. The reason I knew Cecily had to be scum (and Neruz was only picked because of my vote on him the previous day), is because "Vote RBT blah blah blah sit on it and do nothing else". I only act that way in order to draw the easy scum votes onto myself, and catch them early.

Scum never like people with information.

A perfect scum gambit to perhaps make us think "RBT can't

possibly

be scum"? Hmmm.

@ Hiraki and RBT: I don't understand your play. If you won't explain your reasons for voting, how do you expect to persuade anyone to join you?

I'm intentionally playing a bit on the "mysterious" side right now. When my plan is ready to be exposed in full, you will know.

More mystery. When he defeats the town as scum, he'll let us know. Isn't that comforting?

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

You'll find that most people don't understand my strange ways of scumhunting.

Why do you play this way? Is it so you can hide better, in games when you are Mafia?

I play this way because I do. Don't worry, people IRL can't figure me out, either. Many have tried, all have failed.

So you can do it, and you're protown? But if I do it, I must be the biggest scumbag this side of Theme Park?

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But I know I'm Town, and I'm pretty sure you're not.

Too bad you haven't actually tried to prove that.

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How could

I

be anything other than town? Surely I'd have voted and won the game by now, if I were anything else?

Your phrasing looks like a "scumslip".

Yeah, pretty much this.

Can you end this already?

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I seriously did not believe there were two Jailkeepers until you flipped.

I didn't either. You should have left him alive, and hoped to use that against him in LyLo.

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[quote="Neruz"The earlier nonsense with Parama and werewolf had the town all mixed up, i think if you'd kept your claims safer you'd probably have gotten me to lynch RBT.[/quote]
This is also true, you had practically confirmed the two remaining VTs.