Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

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VOTE: Baby Spice

Because I keep thinking of that

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avatar whenever I see "Baby Spice."

Hi everyone I've already met, hi everyone I haven't met, and hi everyone I may have met while reading games.

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Instead of letting AlmasterGM tell me, I'll just blatantly bandwagon.

Unvote, Vote: vezokpiraka

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Did I just see a slip on page 1? Coolio.

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Who, if I may ask?
And you need to vote vezok if you haven't already.

Shh! I'm huntin' wabbits.

Also, I already am.

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Hey, Magua, hammer for shits and giggles.

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Guderian.

Preview edit: Sweet!

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Page 2 hammer in a large theme of 25 = epic winnage. (VI SHOULD KNOW.)

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The cake is a lie.

Now this thread is about scum. Discuss.

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I wasn't really able to get any worthwhile scumreads out of day 1, but quite frankly it's almost like day 1 never happened except vezok is no longer playing.

It's unfortunate for vezokpiraka...

But! I did get some nice town reads out of Day 1, so I'm happy.

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Wait. What the fuck? "Attempted the impossible"?

DOES THIS MEAN WHAT I THINK IT MEANS.

VOTE: Guderian

Wagon, go go go.

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Confirm vote: Guderian

for post 69.

Any of you guys still online, cut me some work here and answer: Any of you ever play with Rhinox?

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Wait. What the fuck? "Attempted the impossible"?

DOES THIS MEAN WHAT I THINK IT MEANS.

VOTE: Guderian

Wagon, go go go.

Not sure I understand.

Vi hasn't updated the first post, so I can't really tell; however, it looks like we got a NK after all.

Preview edit: Thanks, guys.

PoE is a go!

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Andrius's proposal is tempting, but I like my wagon more.

Guderian, I've been using reasoning in all of my posts.

I don't think "attempted the impossible" is straight up flavor kill (I expect that is either "corrupted", from Holy Orders, or "shot", given the flavor in the OP).

Yeah, that's what's stumping me at the moment. I don't think Rhinox would've bitten a zeusbolt so early, though, even if we consider the fact that the battery power was converted.

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Vi, can the scum choose their Day 1 kill during confirmation phase, or do they have to wait until the day actually starts?

Yeah, according to the OP he "Might as well Be Walking on the Sun."
it doesn't sound like factional kill...

Pedit: @gud: yes, what I have read of/interacted with jack he does something like this a lot. That and if his rep is true he is not the type of player to make such a blatant slip d1 under that little (read 0) pressure.

But it's undeniable that Rhinox is dead, and the only way that makes sense to me right now is a NK.

Also, Guderian fell right into it. <3

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Equi, using little hearts and winky faces wont make your strange reasoning appear any less strange. If your vote is serious, explain, if its not, dont act like it is.

Okay, okay, I'll stop. Watching you squirm was entertaining, though.

I'll admit, I thought it was a slip at first until I remembered that scum tend to proofread. (Hell, when I'm scum, I check my shit twice to make sure that kind of slip doesn't go through.) Jack is experienced, yes, which means he probably either screwed up and posted without checking it, which is townish, or he did it on purpose, which would also be townish.

You gunned right for it.

Preview edit: AAAAH SO MANY NINJAS.

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Hi guys, I disapprove of quick lynching. The faith given to seraphs is great and all, but they won't be able to

use their freaking powers

if we lynch before they send in a PM, just like all the other players that aren't on during this that have powers. This isn't a good strategy since it's essentially random lynching and putting all the faith in the seraphs (hehehehe, puntastic).

I promote a less random, willy nilly approach. Like actually playing mafia. Who knows, it might be a good idea.

What made you think we were going to continue?

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So if someone does something ridiculous/ scummy, we should put them down as town because scum would 'proofread their posts?' Yeah, no.

Nice strawman.

Equi - I must've misread the multiple quickvotes after day two started as going for a fast lynch again.

Ah, that's what you meant. Fair warning, then, I guess.

And his very next post is a correction to his previous, corresponding to your theory that he was scum, reread it, albeit after he posted, thought 'shit son' and the edited by way of post.

Why point out one's mistake even MORE by correcting it? Wouldn't it be better to cross your fingers and hope nobody sees it?

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Voting when virtually nobody's posted? Yah, no thanks. See yah, for real this time.

Day 1 ended in a policy lynch with no chance to do Day 1 read acquisition shenanigans. We actually need votes.

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Since when were large themes... marathon games? D:

NIXONFACE DEMANDS THIS OF MAGUA:

Why no vote in that first post?

Dessert:

Why go back to random/arbitrary voting?

No. Gandalf tried this in PYP4. He got lynched.

Interesting.

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EBWOP because 113 was unclear:

Dessert

for Magua

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Guderian: I was referring to your blanket statement of "ridiculous/scummy," which was an oversimplification of the scenario I presented in the first quote there. Neither of those actions can be described as ridiculous.

Kitoari: Yeah, I probably should go back to logical-Equinox mode at some point.

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I read all 5 pages again plus this new one. I still have the same thought about Guderian I had a few minutes ago, but I have a new area of interest.

Unvote, Vote: Kitoari

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Who said anything about random/arbitrary?

You went back to your original vote of Jack with the same reason you used for your page 1 RVS vote, so I wondered why you chose to go back to that when Day 2 started.

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I can't help but read this post as "I think this guy is scum, but I'm gonna go vote this guy instead".

You are correct.

Basically, I looked at your posts so far, and I didn't find anything useful. I figured since you're online, I can remedy that with a vote and a call for something useful.

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Not liking gude very much atm. That being said Jack's slip is a slip no matter what way you spin it.

I'm conflicted between the two atm.

1. If you believe Jack's slip to be a slip, why do you have your eye on Guderian, who is on Jack now because he, too, believes Jack slipped?
2. No comment on either Equinox's or mothrax's explanations for Jack's 22 and 23?

Who said my first vote was random or arbitrary?

Okay, so I assumed -- your reasoning the second time was identical to the first time, and I can't see the first vote being anything but an RVS vote. If it is serious, then explain, please?

Have no fear to start making sense.

Actually, I think they've been rather clear about their cases against you.

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It is serious, but it is not based on anything that has occurred in this game.

All right, fair enough.

Guderian is scummier than Jack.

What I was trying to say is that the slip is bad and not an indication of towniness, but I eventually decided after I posted that post that gude was scummier.

Hmm... What do you think of Guderian's suspicion/vote of Jack in post 69, then?

Did I just see a slip on page 1? Coolio.

Equinox was the first to point this out, and so he is the only one that gets the credit for it. Sorry Guderian, day late and a dollar short and all.

You called Guderian town for his move earlier today, though; what changed?

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Apparently, I'm misunderstanding something here, then. Clarify/correct it for me, please?

As I understand post 100, you believe Guderian's vote for Jack in post 69 to be a town move, since you put him under your town list. In post 176, you say Guderian doesn't get the credit for calling out Jack because I did it first; however, you gave him that credit in post 100. What changed?

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Your self contradiction between your "two day pass" post and your "town list" post is noted.

May I ask why you think it's noteworthy?

NOT WHEN IT INVOLVES WALLS IM NOT.

Wait, we had walls?

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@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.

Well, yeah. I guess I should've have phrased it better:

Who do you think is more likely to make that kind of inconsistency, town or scum, and why?

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Phew. Just read through 11 pages again.

Having trouble deciding whether Guderian's frustration is town-anger or scum-anger (but it is genuine, though). Will sleep on this. Opinions and stuff welcome.

I still like my vote on Kitoari, even if it's not a very popular wagon at the moment.

Regarding the scum-NK-during-quicklynch thing: My list is similar to Nixon's 253. I have a feeling the Rhinox kill was based purely on reputation, most likely from someone with first-hand experience (hence my question right after the lynch), so I'll look into that tomorrow.

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Before I forget:

Happy birthday, Amished!

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Eek. IoA. Do not want.

Scum voting after Andy seems risky, reguardless of Andy's alignment.

I don't follow. Can you elaborate on this, please?

I like 263.

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Re: RhinoX. Trying to clear people based on the nightkill submission is a pointless exercise until you know if "attempted the impossible" is NK flavor or not, because that totally reverses where the suspicion falls. I still don't think it's NK flavor, FWIW.

I see what you're saying, but none of the other possibilities I've considered make any logical sense, and I really don't want to wait until Day 3. It's more of a "note to self" exercise than anything, so it won't be my sole focus for today. This thread is more interesting, anyway.

Having trouble deciding whether Guderian's frustration is town-anger or scum-anger (but it is genuine, though). Will sleep on this. Opinions and stuff welcome.

I thought about this whole Guderian thing while driving. I have a conclusion, but I want to see Guderian's next post before I reveal.

Eek. IoA. Do not want.

Scum voting after Andy seems risky, reguardless of Andy's alignment.

I don't follow. Can you elaborate on this, please?

I was expressing some doubts about whether Andy was town or not for specifically calling for a quick lynch (Actually just before there), and really I'm unsure because it's such a loud "look at me" type of post/vote.

It seems to me that the next vote would have attracted a decent amount of attention too, and so would be less likely to be a scum vote.

Especially with Mothrax's vote being delivered the way it was.
It felt like he was trying to hook into Andy's quick lynch push but being free to claim he wasn't.

I was more interested in your statement that "scum voting after Andy" was a risky move. I thought that voting after it's clear a policy quicklynch was on the agenda would be less risky... so I'm trying to see your train of thought here.

What do you think of the situation here -- that nobody has gone under serious fire for their vezokpiraka votes?

Is spice playing like she did as scum? I can probably find a town game with relative ease to read, but knowing scum-meta will quicken the process for me as well.

Can't tell at the moment. (If you're interested in reading material, Zachtown in the Mountains.)

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Re: RhinoX. Trying to clear people based on the nightkill submission is a pointless exercise until you know if "attempted the impossible" is NK flavor or not, because that totally reverses where the suspicion falls. I still don't think it's NK flavor, FWIW.

I see what you're saying, but none of the other possibilities I've considered make any logical sense, and I really don't want to wait until Day 3. It's more of a "note to self" exercise than anything, so it won't be my sole focus for today. This thread is more interesting, anyway.

And, just as I'm ready to start, I realize how utterly fruitless an expedition this would be. The only thing I'd get out of it would be, "Oh, hey, one of these XX people are the scum." Yeeeah, so useful. >_<

So I'm scratching this off now.

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Yay, triple posting.

It took 5 hours for the PL to happen. More than enough time for scum and their buddies to huddle up in their daytalk QT.

May I ask where you got this figure?

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I had the thought that the scum seraphs would already have done Consolidation as soon as they were able to since it's relatively inexpensive, but if what Magua says in post 306 is true, they haven't. Small Voice has a different appearance if I'm understanding MoHO and Vi's sample Holy Order correctly, so this is likely an actual ability.

Hmm... If scum gain 50% battery power, then the cost to consolidate and then enter the QuickTopic probably costs more, and I'm guessing the increase would be (at least) proportional to the change in conversion rate.

Brain fodder.

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That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum. But I really felt that Andy was genuine town in doing it. Hence voting Mothrax who subtly cited quick lynching as part of his vote.

Now I see where you were going. Hmm... Okay.

Plus, it really told us a lot about who was online posting, as far as potential scumz needing to send in a kill at that time.

I thought about that, but it's impossible to definitively tell who could have sent in an action because the scum may have stayed off the quick lynch entirely, and not everyone has public online status. Basically, we're still at square one (but with reads from people's behaviors and stuff).

How exactly did you read Andrius as genuine town pushing the QL?

Since Baby Spice couldn't answer, I will. It's a ballsy move for scum; pushing a policy lynch is difficult, and usually there's somebody out there who will go bug-eyed and scream, "OMGZ HE'S PUSHING AN EASY LYNCH DIESCUMDIE." It's more likely that scum would join an already established policy lynch than propose one themselves.

That said... I probably should read that part again.

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Okay, fuck. I tried to read this thread and post catch-up comments, but I keep getting interrupted. I'll run out of time in half an hour, so whatever I get in before then is what you lot are going to get.

Posting to say:

V/LA until January 16

I will be out of town all day tomorrow. On Sunday morning, I'll be here to crack this game open like a fresh bottle of cider. Or a piggy bank. Or a flower pot, given my streak lately. But whatever.

I'll be thinking of you guys and a possible super awesome town bloc while I'm on the road.

All right, be back in a bit.

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Okay, let's see what's up here...

Currently undecided on Baby Spice and VasudeVa. I'm saving Baby Spice for Sunday, since I'm probably going to read her in conjunction with Katsuki and the Day 1 stuff.

I'm less certain of Guderian at the moment. I was going to wait until his next post -- ideally his list of suspects -- but the amount of material since the time I needed it probably makes further waiting pointless. So, the thing I'm unsure about is how he stuck to his suspicion of Jack despite mothrax and I telling him that it's not a scum tell but a Jack tell. I imagine scum would've backed off upon hearing that, and Guderian does have a handy excuse on hand, that being lack of experience with Jack. (Not that I've actually checked his games. I'll check it when I get back.) My read of Guderian's reactions to Fate align with RayFrost's, mainly because that's how I reacted to Katsuki once upon a time.

Also, he hasn't posted anywhere since Wednesday, and he's in enough games that he can't lurk until prod time in them all.

However, I still like the Kitoari lynch and would like to lynch him first.

I don't like Empking's line of questioning regarding singersigner, looks like planting seeds of doubt. (Later edit: Okay, I see he's un-FoSed her. I still want the answer to my question... below.)

Also, time stamps are awesome, use them more.

EQUINOX YOU NEVER SAID HI TO ME ((

YES I DID.

Also, hi. Are you scum?

He is abrasive; something he isn't as town. (PYP4)

Someone mentioned that Guderian wasn't too happy with Fate's style before. How did he react then, and did he react while in the game?

It was incredibly uncomitted.

What sort of answer were you looking for, and how would scum answer differently from town?

Also, I just noticed this:

Post for Andrius that I was typing before equi posted:

That makes it pretty obvious that RayFrost wasn't pushing the quick lynch thing "multiple" times.

Edit; RayFrost, how many "streams" have you posted in? When did that stream end?

...how is this not obvious?

And although I was joking (mostly) when I said that Agar drew scum again in this game, I'm becoming more serious about that. He's active on site in other games, which means he's actively avoiding this one.

AGar doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would lurk like this as scum, even considering the circumstances. I second (probably just an n^th at this point) the demand for AGar-posting, though.

All right, guys, I'm outta here now. See you in a bit.

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I approve of this shift to Kitoari.

I do not approve of VasudeVa's vote on Katsuki.

It was highly depersonalized though

Check the sign-up thread.

Equinox: What is "planting seeds of doubt"?

Your question to singersigner sounded like, "You're playing better than last time, and you can't even tell! You must be scum!" That sounds ridiculously paranoid to me, and if singersigner is town she may hesitate to play at her best. It makes me antsy.

Besides, it's not like singersigner is uncatchable as scum.

Well because bananas cause the rollerskate (OR because Rayfrost just made up a term and I'm not privy to his inner most thoughts.

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Reading the post Equinox posts now.

RayFrost's terminology and pattern of posting seem fairly obvious to me. I don't know what the problem is.

Also, have you not been reading?

I'm deciding whether I want mothrax or kitoari or gud to die today. I think they all need to die, but it's a matter of

which one needs to die first

.

Join us and kill Kitoari!

RayFrost outlining his streams is kind of funny. And then not so funny when I realize why he has to do it.

Quicklynch D1. Oy vey. At least you could have chosen Furcolow...

No. Read Kitoari's link.

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Also, have you not been reading?

How do you say that?

Seems odd you'd read me now as opposed to while reading the thread.

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Day-long trip got cancelled, so now I'm home. I've half a mind to just walk off again, though. I really don't feel like doing any work right now.

I do not approve of VasudeVa's vote on Katsuki.

This is odd. Why? Do you think Katsuki is Town? What makes my vote wrong?

Gut. No. Gut.

Okay, maybe not gut, but that sounded cool. Anyway, Nachomamma8 summed up my thoughts pretty well here.

Looking at your posts again, though, this makes sense because I know I do that as town. It just bugs me. Fuck. I have no idea.

Rain check.

Also, Kitoari appears to be V/LA until Monday.

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AGar: Just to note, this isn't particularly game-relevant; my response to you was a "Trust me, this lynch was better" thing.

Thank you Vi for sparing me in my infinite stupidity.

In other news, I figured that only a recent game could incite this much RAEG, so I went and found this.

VEZOK VERY MUCH DIE NOW

UNVOTE: VOTE: vezokpiraka

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See sig, it's changed again - I'm sick as a dog and I don't have the energy top put into this game, and it's showing with my play.

Get well soon!

I never thought I'd say this, but I've never longed for quote walls as much as I do right now.

Oh, yes. That means this is a quote wall.

Enter Furcolow, stage left.

I can see the reason why he (and Empking, I suppose) would believe RayFrost to be scum from that "Don't quick lynch; it's anti-town!" post, but this...

into an "omg guys, i might lurk, but I have an excuse"

Seriously?

Also, asking for a PR is a

little

... *twitch*

I would support either of their lynches to see the alignment of the other

-50

If you believe this to be a town-scum interaction, point out where and who. I won't accept this, not even from you.

Oh, hey.

Scum trying to get a lynch on Jack for something is hilarious here

Scum:
Jack #22

Explain.

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Also, I left this out.

Andrius

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To be honest, if you think people respect you because you post in caps, you're wrong. If you think you're cool because you can act loud and obnoxious, you're wrong. If you think you're mighty or superior, you're wrong. Play civilly, play to have fun, play with respect or just dont play.

WAIT ARE YOU THE [REDACTED- NEAR-PROFANE] WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE CAPS?!?

I UNDERSTAND, FATE.

He is abrasive; something he isn't as town. (PYP4)

Someone mentioned that Guderian wasn't too happy with Fate's style before. How did he react then, and did he react while in the game?

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Ouchies.