Mini 1117 - Manhattan Special - [GAME OVER]

[TheLonging]

El: What are your thoughts on Grey avoiding the thread?

YOU'RE SCUM

VOTE: EMPKING

FOR THE RECORD, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING THIS GAME.

So humour me guys; what in all of this crap do I have to re-read to catch up again? This is exactly like how IS described it; it's a family fight, not scumhunting.

[TheLonging]

How about the fact I just got home today, and logged in, not aware the game started until I checked my inbox? Unless you want to paint a picture about me and say I refused to participate on purpose.

I have read, and read again. No seriously, I think everyone is town but you and maybe Crazy. Therefore I am voting you. You are also saying Grey is avoiding the thread and on TOP of that, he's doing it deliberately.

By the way I didn't post in all caps, but if you want me to, I WILL. <3

[TheLonging]

Therefore I am voting you. You are also saying Grey is avoiding the thread and on TOP of that, he's doing it deliberately.

By gosh. Since that is y'know a truthful and accurate fact. Which (the last time I checked) you can immediately notice by just looking at the main post. So what are you trying to say when you bring it up?

Unvote

Vote: Grey

I'm saying at the fact that he might be having a life and you're voting him for it.

Also hi el simo <3

[TheLonging]

Furthermore, you could always consider that he popped in quickly, MAYBE had time to write a quick short post, and not have enough time to reply to a bunch of content that's not THAT viable? I don't know. If he posted a long post here (or two) while he was here, I'll take you only a bit more seriously.

[TheLonging]

Well, Longing could be buddying me (why would he think I'm town? Why defend me?)

I called you town? And I don't think you realize how retarded Emp's point was anyways

unvote
FoS: ShadoWolf

for the record, I'm thinking more along the lines of meta as well, Empking bothers me more.

[TheLonging]

...words...

Snif Snif, you forgot me. No need to tell me why, but you can do it after answering me what you have avoided, i.e., why you found me scummy first.

I'm sorry I missed your question. What was it?

[TheLonging]

why did I unvote empking I didn't even mean to

vote: empking

[TheLonging]

If you think EMP is the best wagon, why aren't you voting him? What's the benefit of lynching a lurker? I've always found lurking to be a null-tell. Both sides do it equally.

Did you just ignore everything else that has been said, JUST to address this? Are your partners in the lurkers? Do you even know what is going on Shado? You've done better than this.

TL: What have I done that is scummy?

Didn't I already say? You calling Grey scum for not posting in the thread 4 hours after the game started. However, Shado is more scummy than you know, see ^

unvote
vote: ShadoWolf

[TheLonging]

I don't like RVS too, does that make me scum? e_e

[TheLonging]

Shado: apparently has trouble contributing anything of note amongst all the bickering about genitalia. I could give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like he might be profiting from the acrimonious nature of this game thus far, in that it gives him the chance to comment on stuff without taking any action.

theLonging: who knows.

Don't give him the benefit of the doubt, never give anyone that.

Also I'm... unreadable, is what you're saying?

[TheLonging]

...words...

Snif Snif, you forgot me. No need to tell me why, but you can do it after answering me what you have avoided,

i.e., why you found me scummy first.

I'm sorry I missed your question. What was it?

The question is repeated in the 2-lines post. You avoided it again. I bolded it to facilitate your work.

Because I found you to post fluff (not fluff in what most consider, but fluff as in "I'm posting but I'm not really posting to be with town, just so I can look town". I do find you more town now though because you're making good solid points.

This means I have the second biggest, just how the ladies like it.

NON-GAME RELATED VOTE. Consider it a change in my "random vote". You are not in my list of suspects. If you have a doubt about why i am voting you, then I am sorry, you are lost for society.

vote EL SIMIO

nvm. what are your thoughts on shado?

TL: If you deliberately ignore the thread in order to avoid answering uncomfortable questions then: Yes. That would be a point out of your favour.

I was hoping you'd answer in a way that would make me sure you're scum. Sadly, what I get is that you're town, so now I need to stop tunneling and re read... AGAIN. Yes, I do skip RVS, but I find it completely pointless, or I'd rather stop RVS as early as possible. It has worked before.

[TheLonging]

We only had one game together, and I wasn't there for most of that.

[TheLonging]

Then why am I under the impression this is our fourth :s

It is? I always thought it was 1.

Also Shado, that's acceptable. Get RL stuff cleared and all, and THEN try better.

[TheLonging]

CAVEAT: Possible Bias, due to his town read on me

This is where I stopped taking you seriously.

[TheLonging]

CAVEAT: Possible Bias, due to his town read on me

This is where I stopped taking you seriously.

Why? This is useful (at least for me) to check my positions later when Empking may change his position on me. To be aware of your own possible biases can only help you. I just did a caveat, not that I do not take my observations seriously...

It's the fact that you're saying "Well he thinks I'm town, so I'll give him more cookie points!" basically that alarms me.

I don't need to say anything else on Shado. I can focus on more than 1 player too you know.

[TheLonging]

Post 11? You mean where I comment on TL's trademark late coming and declaring he knows who scum is? I don't see how this is mud flinging.

Did I really say I KNEW who scum was this time? Nah, this time I just took a guess

[TheLonging]

It's the fact that you're saying "Well he thinks I'm town, so I'll give him more cookie points!" basically that alarms me.

Where did I say that?

It is the opposite. I said, "my valuations might be unconsciously affected by the fact that he considers me townie so openly. Keep it in mind". And I said it to myself and to the rest of people. And precisely, I think this is important because games are long and people change their positions. This will help me to review the thread more easily in case that happened.

I would not consciously give cookie points to anybody for considering me town without a specific reason to do so. You are misreading the message.

What I think I'm seeing here is that either you're honestly believing that what you're saying is different then what I said (and you're wrong anyways fmpov), or we're still not on some clear focus point here.

Crazy is either both very good scum (the large posts of reading people) and rather awful scum (the angering IS and the like) OR he's town. Oh yeah somebody needs to vote Shado.

"So he's either all types of scum... or town!"

[TheLonging]

I was joking a bit. Lighten up e_e I got what you were saying, but I mean, if you think he's good scum (his large posts for reading people) and he's bad scum (angering people? wut), which do you think it is? What does it balance out to? And what about his actions make you think he's town?

[TheLonging]

"So he's either all types of scum... or town!"

As far as I understand his words, this is:

She is town. Understanding her behavior if she is mafia would require to accept that she is AT THE SAME TIME such type of scum and such an opposite type of scum.

This.

Did you two even read my post above you, or are you ignoring me because you don't want to look scummy?

[TheLonging]

OK crazy and emp, so you ARE going to ignore me. fine. I see.

[TheLonging]

OK crazy and emp, so you ARE going to ignore me. fine. I see.

As far as I understand, you asked me no question. Do you want me to answer something in particular?

You asked Empking. I believe he thinks the question on why he finds me town was doubly answered in the thread. First, in a direct way when I asked long ago. Second, with a contradiction argument right above.

"So he's either all types of scum... or town!"

As far as I understand his words, this is:

She is town. Understanding her behavior if she is mafia would require to accept that she is AT THE SAME TIME such type of scum and such an opposite type of scum.

This.

Did you two even read my post above you, or are you ignoring me because you don't want to look scummy?

Am I really going to have to play this game

again

?

I'm at L-2, right? Sound like a time for a claim?

L-1's are best times for claims.

...

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?. Nietzsche.

tl;dr

[TheLonging]

CQ: those 3 quotes? I never wrote them.

[TheLonging]

incompetent

well jesus I think he's scum but don't insult

[TheLonging]

Hey guys, this is who we left alive when we lynched Shado.

GOOD FUCKING JOB.

I almost do wish I was scum this game, I hate this town.

Null or scummy?

Town.

[TheLonging]

Hey guys, this is who we left alive when we lynched Shado.

GOOD FUCKING JOB.

I almost do wish I was scum this game, I hate this town.

Null or scummy?

Town.

Don't pick and choose. Its scummy.

Stop asking 30 questions to look pro town. It's scummy.

[TheLonging]

I am most suspicious of TL now. He never analyzed Shado, or even sheeped someone else's analysis of Shado. He just voted Shado and then ignored him all day, like scum trying to be the quietest on the wagon.

VOTE: TheLonging

I analyzed shao.

vote: crazyquestions

[TheLonging]

vote: crazyquestions

^ still my vote for the record

[TheLonging]

Sapor: are you asking why I voted CQ, despite the fact that I voted him yesterday? Or are you asking why I voted CQ at all? I don't get it