Newbie 1060: It's a Murder Mystery (Game Over)

[Sarg338]

Whew, finally.

First off, my name is Sarg. No 'e'. Thanks.

Second, fuck your walls. I hate walls. Walls are absolutely stupid. I will probably skim it at best.

Third, I'm a man a few words If you ask me for a list of scum, don't be disappointed if it's not as long as you want it to be (yes, that IS, in fact, what she said). Deal with it.

Fourth, I usually leave my laptop on 24/7, and as such, you will see my name as browsing this forum. I'm not lurking, I'm usually either asleep, at my computer, or in class.

Finally,

Vote: Voided

. Come at me bro

[Sarg338]

^ I really got no clue what all you're going on about. Like ..just seems like a whole bunch of rambling. So, was that a random vote to start things off or why did you elect to single out dude? Just wondering.

Intro post. Did you expect me to post content?

And why I singled him out: Cause I can. Problem Officer?

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Vote mammut

choo choo goes the bandwagon.

Wagons don't go choo choo. Trains do!

FoS: Primate

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What kind of plot are you imagining?

I think the better question is What kind of plots ARNT you imagining?

Ah haaaa, think about that...

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EBWOP:

Now I shall continue with the similarities by

Vote: Voided

, for talking too much in the queue.

What queue? I do have school, yknow. And Ibara hadn't confirmed/been taken out as of Midnight central time last night.

I believe he is talking about the Newbie Queue... newbie.

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BRING IT!

Bee tee dubya, me and Voided know each other from another site.

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You are all secret double voters!

Unfortunately you didn't realize I was the in-game QUAD VOTER!

You're all going down.

Little did YOU know, I'm Jester. So your Quad-voting powers don't scare me!

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...

Not amused?

The 3 (?) people who haven't posted need to post.

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Sarg you have mafia exp, yeah? How much? Also don't say things like "problem officer" unless you intend for it to be a crumb. Don't crumb either.

1 game on here and another on another site.

Breadcrumbing? No. Problem Officer refers to This. Thanks for playing, maybe next time.

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All the pictures are kind of annoying though =P

I disagree. I like the pictures. Adds something to an other wise pure text game. Makes Walls easier by breaking them up too.

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Seems to be laid-back

Last game he wasn't very. "Blah blah blah, theory, blah blah blah, you're scum"... etc. *shakes head*

ORLY? (cwatididthur? just for you.). So he acted completely different last game? What was his role?

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Not a big fan of bandwagons at all. Usually they are filled to the brim with SCUM. So;

FOS: Primate

How can someone be "filled to the brim" (I.E. Full) with scum if there are only 2 scum? 2/5 isn't filled to the brim

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Anywho, since we seem to be out of RVS,

Unvote

. I have no reason to keep it on Voided.

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Also Vold, what do you mean by "forced"? How can you force questions?

Questions can be forced. Asking who he thinks is scum just barely 2 pages into the game is a forced question.

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FOS: Voidedmafia

- For posting so many pictures of a character that I got no clue who he is...

This whole post was kind of uncalled for really. We are way out of RVS and the like.

Also, I believe it's a character (the antagonist?) in Phoenix Wright. amirite?

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^ That's why I didn't randomly vote anyone ..cause right, we are out of the RVS. I FOSd dude, cause ..well I can and I've wanted to for a while this game.

You're FoS was also kind of stupid. Doing it because of pictures of a guy you don't know? :/

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A new challenger appears!

Just kidding. Anyway, after doing a (super) quick ISO of Zensei, he strikes me as fishy. His very first post accuses Voided of not "catching scum", only 1 1/2 pages in. It was also his VERY FIRST POST, so you could say he was doing the same thing he was accusing Voided of.

His second post is also all questions, directed at Voided. No content or his thoughts on anyone, just questions. Why not make a post explaining any thoughts YOU have instead of asking everyone else?

Both posts don't sit right with me.

In conclusion,

Vote: Zensei

[Sarg338]

Sorry guys, been a hell of a busy weekend. SO heres whats going to happen: I'll rush in and say something stupid while trying to catch up, and you'll lynch me =)

But in all seriousness, FoS Zensei for those initial posts, will hold vote because of ^

Spoiler:

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you are FoS-ing him for what I objected to, but are not voting because of GreyICE's read on him?

I think he is FoS'ing him and not voting because he has to re-read the thread and catch up. The "^" was pointing to his second sentence I believe.

Needs moar Zensei votes guis!

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Sarg, your case on Zensei is terrible.

His very first post accuses Voided of not "catching scum", only 1 1/2 pages in. It was also his VERY FIRST POST, so you could say he was doing the same thing he was accusing Voided of.

No, he is trying to catch scum by accusing voided...

His second post is also all questions, directed at Voided. No content or his thoughts on anyone, just questions. Why not make a post explaining any thoughts YOU have instead of asking everyone else?

Asking questions is a good thing...

Bam. Case destroyed.

Scum buddy, eh?

k

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However, Sarg, you could've said more than just that. Why not explain why his post wrong, even if it seems like you shouldn't need to?

PUT YOUR HANDS UP, FUN POLICE!

I kid. He's pretty much putting words in my mouth. I never said asking questions was WRONG, but not putting his thoughts together isn't helping the town catch scum either. It gives off the vibe that he knows who is town and who is scum, and he's just asking question to see who other people think are scum, and to jump on that.

And, as we all know, the only way to know who town and scum are is if you are, in fact, scum. Hence the vote.

And again, accusing someone of not catching scum 1.5 pages in? Really? Pretty sure we were still in the RVS, or JUST got out of it, at that time.

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Man, that case is ALMOST as good as mine.

Almost...

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Erm...That's the original post the quote came from, not a post where I quoted him.

I think that was his way of correcting himself and telling us which post he meant to quote.

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So defense? No ..no thanks. If you guys choose to try and move forward with this lynch ..well, that's a mistake and the town will lose. If there's 2 scum and 3 townies .. and you get rid of me, that leaves it at 2 - 2 and if the scum kills one of you cause you miss a block or something, end game instantly. Wow ..that'd be smart.

If you get lynched and flip town, that doesn't mean the town loses... this is only day 1. Your scenario assumes that you make it to end game. Also, in your scenario, as soon as you lynch the townie and get it down to 2-2, that's game over, as scum is equal to the number of townies. No need for night actions.

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Also I think it's a little odd that someone who doesn't know the amount of players in the game would assume there is a scum roleblocker, but that's probably nothing.

When I was thinking the numbers were 2 scum and 3 town, I'd have guessed the scum roles were night kill and role block. Now that I'm up to speed and realize we aren't playing a 5 person game (seems so dumb to me now), I'd think there's probably more like 3 scum, which means probably still night kill and role block, but add in a recruiter maybe?

I dunno. I was just going with the most obvious.

Seriously? The 4 possible setups are at the very beginning of the thread. Please get associated with the rules :/

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You really didn't know much of this game and it's rules at all when signing up, did you?

Plus, blaming everything on "i didn't knows the rulez!!" is nothing but your own fault for not reading anything on this site.

Also, playing the "I dont know what to say i give up" is a bad idea.

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No ..the fact that when I say something, it does nothing but hinder me. And when I say nothing it does nothing but hinder me. So what should I do ..say something and have it used against me, or say nothing and give you nothing to use against me? I'll go with the latter.

Or you can, you know, actually build a defense to prove to everyone your not scum?

...Nah, you're right, that's a crazy idea.

[Sarg338]

Well, since Zensei is V/LA, I'll

Unvote

.

Snowjordan's vote on Voided looks INCREDIBLY scummy, and an OMGUS vote. No matter how many times you say it isn't, that doesn't make it true.

Doing a quick skim of his ISO, it all seems like fluff, rule confusion and "I'm not being defensive even though I'm yelling and cursing every post and not giving any defense whatsoever".

I'll look into it more in-depth tomorrow sometime.

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Spoiler:

I see sarg in the users browsing the forum, so I hope he does post.

And Zensei will be back in two days, but I'd like both of them to put input on our argument.

Read my intro post. I usually leave multiple tabs open, including this one, non-stop, so it says im here, but I'm sometimes at school or asleep.

[Sarg338]

Busy lately, lots of Test and homework, saw Tommy Tuberville tonight. Going home for the weekend so I'll read over the thread and vote accordingly by Sunday. Promise.

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Well, how do you want to to prove he knwos me? I mean, Parama, Sarg, and I know each from scorehero.com, and if you look over some of our conversations in the newbie queue, you can see that we're talking about an even on that forum (namely Scorehero Mafia, which I believe is a kind of open game).

If anything, just go to http://www.scorehero.com and look up Sarg338 (I think) and Voidedalive2x.

You are not the one targeted here, I want a proof by Sarg that you know each other from that game. You defend someone that might use your friendship as a cover for scuminess (no offense here). You attitude in this answer is overall counter productive for the town. And btw, I can't find anyone (neither you nor Sarg there)

Ummm Hai.

Not sure why that matters.

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Oh, and I RVS'd Voided because... well, it was RVS and I knew him from Scorehero. Keep it cool buddy !

[Sarg338]

Oh, and I RVS'd Voided because... well, it was RVS and I knew him from Scorehero. Keep it cool buddy !

And I did likewise for the very same reason.

But VoidedMafia isn't the one suspected here, my reasoning is : you RVS your buddy knowing that it won't have any consequences. After the RVS you Unvote and wagonned Zensei, vote that you cancelled because of his absence. Vote-hopping ? Wish Wash ?

As for the proof, I am willing to trust Voided though the best proff would have been a topic where you two posted in SH.

doing this from my phone, so forgive me for any mistakes.

Is RVS suppose to have consequences? It was a random vote on someone I know from another site. Your case on that is just stupid.

Wish-washy? No. zensei is V/LA, so I took my vote off him. Problem?

I posted a link to both of our accounts. If you don't take that as proof, then so be it. I have no reason to go through the site and find a topic where we both posted in. look for it yourself if you really need to see one.

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In

red

another case of pointless aggressiveness. I don't know how you behave IRL, but

I ask you to stop doing that

. My post wasn't stupid, it had a purpose, and it's not because you can't understand it that it is stupid.

You can ask all you want, doesn't mean I'll stop

ohay, a shot at my intelligence. Cool story bro.

Who is scummy? Well, I'll save that for over the weekend when I re-read the thread.

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Can we get a

Prod: SnowJordan

? Been close to 2.5 days since his last post.

Thanks.

Done. (Equinox)

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So it's more like 36 hours, which shouldn't be in prod range. That being said, textbook prod dodge post

No, it's been alot longer than 36 hours.

snowjorden 2011-02-16 01:20:07 2 days 10 hours

Even by the time stamp, I can still tell it was longer than 36 hours.

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Whoa, I thought Zensei was V/LA until today? What happened?

Zensei sent me a PM yesterday requesting replacement. (Equinox)

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Spoiler:

Two replacements on D1? This is going to be fun...

3, if you count ICE replacing in at the very beginning.

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Now that I've thought about it, I would agree that Zensei was leaning a little towards scum. But, now we'll have to start over.

Why is that? I don't think you should start over. The person who replaced in got the same role PM as Zensei. It sucks that they replaced in, but anything he did gets passed on to the replacee.

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Build a defense? Okay ..I'm a townie. As seen in this role;

Welcome to Newbie 1060, XXX!

You are a townie.

Town Abilities: As a citizen of the town, you have the right to vote.
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Confirmation: Please respond to this PM stating your role.

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My proof? Well since it's against the rules to quote my original role pm from the moderator ..my proof is that no one else has claimed this role. So that's how I can prove that I have the role.

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SERIOUSLY, what the fuck? You guys act like we have this massive stack of evidence in this file folder that I can just pull out and start scanning the documents and let you all read them. This is the FIRST fucking day. There is no building a defense. Seriously, you guys are clueless.

Nice Scum Claim bud. In my PM, the XXX is replaced by MY NAME.

You simply copied the PM Equinox posted in his rule set.

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Fucking phone.

No shit he copied it from the op. As he stated on that same post, its against the rules to post the role pm you received, so he posted the townie role from the op.

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Fucking phone.

No shit he copied it from the op. As he stated on that same post, its against the rules to post the role pm you received, so he posted the townie role from the op.

And yet, he says that in his defense that his VT claim is proof that he is innocent.

obviously, that's not true, and no one believed him. But dogging him for doing that instead of breaking the rules is dumb

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And is in no way a.scum claim

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it might be scummy, but its not a claim.

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Anyway, why are you chainsaw defending him?

FoS; Sarg

Just to note, Imo the perceived chainsaw could just be Sarg's manner of speaking.

Still undecided on Snow, I was simply backing up some (Imo) good points of Voided's, so we'll see where this goes, and if he gets back on.

+1 scum points. He can defend himself. (Ironically, this is the same thing he was doing with Snow).

So making a post disagreeing with you is defending the other person, which makes them defending their scumbuddy?

k, good to know.

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You count on the IRL buddies to back you up (VoidedMafia and Sarg338)

Don't know each other in real life, just from another site on the interwebz

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(Which I'm fairly sure Sarg is)

OH EM GEE youz defending scum buddy, you must bes scum based on this alonez!!

/LLD impression

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After reading over SnowJordan's ISO, I'm ok with lynching him. If he flip scums, I have someone in mind who could possibly be his scum buddy.

Vote: SnowJordan

L-1.

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I'm still happy on my vote. Jordan did nothing to change that.

GreyICE - Good catch on something as subtle as that. Can't say I would've caught it.

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Well, I came down with an ear infection today, and its killing me, so I probably wont feel like participate as much as I want to. I'll still read the thread, of course, but as of now, I'm happy with my vote, and probably wont change it unless something new comes up.

Just thought I'd post this in case someone makes notice that I'm not posting much

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Well, it seems everything has stopped.

I currently wouldn't be apposed to a lynch, because nothing is happening right now, and we should get talking again.

If you are not apposed to a lynch, why are you apposed to dropping the hammer?

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Equinox, if there is some sort of nomination for best mod scene, you're getting it.

Good luck town. I did what I could to help. Now it's up you newbies. ^_^

Pretty much this. I liked how the whole first part was just a nightmare. BEST FLAVOR EVAR!!!

Except...

Five

of the guests grabbed him while the other

four

stood, looking dazed, as snowjorden was led to the stage by the corpses left there for display.

Isn't snowjorden one of the guest? That would make... TEN! over-analyze the flavor guis, gogogo!

Your moderator is incapable of doing arithmetic... (Equinox)

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After reading over SnowJordan's ISO, I'm ok with lynching him. If he flip scums, I have someone in mind who could possibly be his scum buddy.

Remember this?

Vote: mb53

He was the someone I had in mind. Looks like Voided picked up on the same thing I did as well, indicated by his last post before the thread got locked.

Going to my Sister's to watch the UFC event tonight, so probably wont post much tonight.

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However, if this claim IS true, that leaves the question of who you tried to save last night, assuming you weren't roleblocked. Which is apparantly me. And how do you know there's NOT a roleblocker? There could be a cop here and they roleblocked him instead of you.

There is no roleblocker because there was a kill last night.


Preview edit: They can? O.o

Yep, RB'ers can do both actions at night if they are the only scum left.

[Sarg338]

(Oh, and LoL>DotA>HoN)

This man speaks the truth.

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I am currently throwing away the game. Nothing more, nothing less. Lynch me if you want but I won't do aything else than actively lurking until Mb53 say that HoN is a better game than LoL. This is also true for Sarg.

NEVARRRRRRRRRRRR.

Although I am looking forward to DotA 2

[Sarg338]

Happy birthday GreyICE! Luckily, your birthday falls on Fucked up Friday, so, you know, enjoy it and get fucked up!

On topic, it seems his claim was real. I'll give the thread another look see over the weekend.

Boooo voided. I'll miss you buddy

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Vote: Sarg338

Meh, can't do much against a cop claim. Oh well, so close, yet so far.

Great game guys, really enjoyed it.

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Questions for Sarg :

Why did you killed VoidedMafia instead of GreyICE (which would have been the most reasonable choice from my point of view) ?

And what were your plans for D3 (assuming no cop claim) and N3 ?

Can't say I'm very good at judging who would be the best night kill (I think this was my first game on this site that I have finished that I was scum? Not sure).

Bussing my partner was kind of scary, since I knew there was a cop. After that happened, that was the one thing I was worried about, so I tried blocking various people. Didn't seem to work