New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[StrangerCoug]

The roles I sent in were the kamikaze pilot, the voyeur, and the role cop. The kamikaze pilot, if there is one, can select one person to kill and they both die; the other two have Wiki pages.

I think your handwriting is a bit like mine, zoraster. I see differences, but it's close.

Internet Stranger, why are you making a big fuss of massclaiming submitted roles? I don't see how town is hurt by turning this game into a semi-open.

VOTE: Internet Stranger

[StrangerCoug]

no habla espanol

Why are you asking us to do something with which we are already complying?

[StrangerCoug]

post 32 is not in english.

I know. In fact, I recognize the language. "No habla español" isn't talking about the speaker, though—it is either a statement that a third party doesn't speak Spanish or an instruction to one of your friends not to speak Spanish. To say "I don't speak Spanish", it's "no habl

o

español."

[StrangerCoug]

A couple of those aren't the final submissions, Xalxe. danakillsu and Olinea claim to have had to change one of theirs.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC are you really complaining about my lack of properly typing I don't speak spanish? Really?

Yep. I felt like being a grammar Nazi It's null, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, is there no cops in this game? Is that what the post four means from the mod?

A standard cop, not unless there are multiple scumteams. I sent in a role cop, though.

All you're doing is taking the game away from scumhunters and making this to be a spreadsheet exercise. I'm here to catch scum, not play some bastardized version of Clue.

I'm not sure I'm interpreting this correctly. The signup thread warns that you are not guaranteed to have any of your submitted roles in the game, which implies that it's possible for somebody to have more than one of their submitted roles in play.

[StrangerCoug]

Or no role at all which is why speculating does nothing for us.

This is not a vanillaless game? Where did Fashion Llama say/suggest that?

[StrangerCoug]

Also, is there no cops in this game? Is that what the post four means from the mod?

A standard cop, not unless there are multiple scumteams. I sent in a role cop, though.

Where'd the speculation of multiple scumteams come from?

The post of mine you just quoted, and even then, I don't think it should be seriously considered right now.

And why would it have any sort of impact on the presence of a Cop-like role?

If there are multiple scumteams and one of them has a standard cop role, they can use that to get rid of opposing scum since they can get guilty results. The likelihood of other forms of cop aren't affected by the number of scumteams, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Xalxe, I'm sorry, but I agree with the consensus here. You're obsessing over the list of claims rather than scumhunting, and when the wagon on you started forming, you freaked out. I like vote reasons too, but your reaction doesn't read as town.

UNVOTE: Internet Stranger
VOTE: Xalxe

[StrangerCoug]

SC, the way I play, you can give me one vote or twenty one votes, and I won't care as long as there is proper logic behind them.

This is not. Please unvote.

Not scumhunting is scummy. Sorry.

Where'd the speculation of multiple scumteams come from?

The post of mine you just quoted, and even then, I don't think it should be seriously considered right now.

Allow me to rephrase.

Why do you assume 2 scumteams instead of just 1? The natural assumption, I'd think, is that there's only 1 scumteam.

I'm not. Just throwing the possibility out there.

In other news,

Major HoS: Whoever killed chesskid3

. Olinea doesn't look completely likely because the mod provided a vote count in between when he bolded "detonate" and the death scene, but the MO cannot rule him out as scum.

[StrangerCoug]

And, finally (sorry for the triple-post), I should mention that this proves that drug dealing NEVER pays.

xD

[StrangerCoug]

Also, is there no cops in this game? Is that what the post four means from the mod?

A standard cop, not unless there are multiple scumteams. I sent in a role cop, though.

All you're doing is taking the game away from scumhunters and making this to be a spreadsheet exercise. I'm here to catch scum, not play some bastardized version of Clue.

could you please explain the meaning of this post?

If it's just town vs. one Mafia team, standard cop is useless to scum. Role cop is useful to both teams, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm pretty gosh darn sure scum's on the Olinea wagon the way it piled up. If the explosion went off late due to mod error, why didn't they themselves bring it up?

ender241 is obvtown.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: How is ender obvtown?

He pointed out how the Olinea wagon is scum-driven better than I could say it.

[StrangerCoug]

ITT Furcolow fails to understand that roles can end up with town or scum.

Olinea is very very likely SCUM and not because the detonator stupid stuff which is PRETTY OBVIOUS she is not, its becuase she is full of scumtells. Im not liking his justification for random voting in post 5, his sheeping to the claiming strategy in post 7, and more importantly she is freaking scared of Demon Hybrid, like too worried of being caught.

English is not your first language, is it? You refer to Olinea as male and female in the same paragraph, and I'm not aware of anybody on this site being a herm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGiXjijqEJE

You look as nice as your case on Xalxe sounds

Just in case you do a video on me, the heaviest accent is on the first syllable. You should be able to get the pronunciation right if you know what "coug" is short for, though.

I believe the Yosarianite story. Weird role name, but unless there's crazy stuff going on I don't think any more should be said about the detonate issue.

People voting Olinea are stupid or scum. It's completely random at this point. He's proven by votecount that he is definitely what he claims to be, which (although it doesn't prove his alignment) proves that he is NOT detonator. Since this is the main basis of the wagon, it must be scumdriven at this point.

unvote vote: InternetStranger

. You are trying WAY too hard to believe Olinea is scum.

Quoted for truth.

UNVOTE: Xalxe
VOTE: Internet Stranger

I keep wanting to put Internet StrangerCoug for some reason xD We should hydra sometime.

[StrangerCoug]

DID YOU SENT A ROLE THAT COULD MESS WITH VOTING?

No.

[StrangerCoug]

ITT Furcolow fails to understand that roles can end up with town or scum.

What do you mean by this?

You hesitated to vote Olinea because you were

CONVINCED

Yosarianite was a scum role, seemingly without realizing it could be given to town too.

I have this habit of assuming that all people on the internet who claim to be female are really old, sweaty men.

Why does this come off to me as sexist? Granted, in the sentence after this, he claims Plum to have broken this illusion, but still...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: zoraster

Zoraster knows that not everyone can use youtube to be able to watch it, this makes it a different improved, some might say, version of lurking. There is also too many "ehrmm's" and "err's" in his point to actually believe any of this he needs to get telling the truth as an ehrmm is definitely a sign of lying and ever heard of LaL? I have.

This is a very lame vote reason. Of the two computers I use, YouTube may work better on my sister's computer, to which I only have access a few hours of the day, but that doesn't mean I can call out zoraster for using a site that works poorly on my home computer. In addition, you have to remember that, when you're trying to speak and think at the same time, there may be delays from one part to the next. This doesn't obviate in most writing. You are making unreasonable expectations out of zoraster here.

FoS: ender241

Did anyone notice this?

also I was the one sending the Yosarianite role

Lets do this and everyone sould answer this: DID YOU SENT A ROLE THAT COULD MESS WITH VOTING?

I DIDNT

. Xalxe, could you help me here with your previous compilation?

That was from populartajo. Why would he claim to have sent in a role that messes with voting, then later say he didn't?

UNVOTE

FOS:Olinea

VOTE:tajo

Because the detonator case is gone with Furcolow's vote.

Lynch All Liars then.

UNVOTE: Internet Stranger and reduce to a

Major HoS

VOTE: populartajo

[StrangerCoug]

Coug, why did you avoid reading this?

@WhenInRome:

WIR: I'm pretty sure you're not thinking through why Tajo was asking if anyone submitted a vote-manipulating role - he's trying to confirm that Olinea got the Yosarianite role and to do so we need to rule out any other possible causes for votes in Olinea's context to be going awry (in which case we cannot confirm her as Yosarianite and thus not Detonator). Did you see my videos/if not, shall I summarize what I said to and about you therein/can you respond please???

I couldnt have said it better.

Mod, please prod ribquick, sevei, brokenscraps, Thingyman, DemonHybrid. Some people have not even posted since start of the game

It answers why you asked the question very clearly, but it does not answer why your answering yourself (that you did not submit a vote-manipulating role) contradicts an earlier statement you made (that you submitted the Yosarianite, which is a vote-manipulating role in that it keeps one person from voting another).

No, after reading the game, I was convinced OLINEA was scum. When scum tell you to vote them, in your mind, you are hesitant to play into their hand as town.

How would voting him being anti-town? If your vote didn't show up in the count, he'd be role-confirmed. If it did, he'd have fakeclaimed and most likely be the lynch for the day.

[StrangerCoug]

No, after reading the game, I was convinced OLINEA was scum. When scum tell you to vote them, in your mind, you are hesitant to play into their hand as town.

How would voting him being anti-town? If your vote didn't show up in the count, he'd be role-confirmed. If it did, he'd have fakeclaimed and most likely be the lynch for the day.

I'm not following your train of thought here. I felt like I was just setting it up for his wagon to easily be disbanded, when I feel he has been the scummiest player in the game. Do you not see how me helping him would conflict with what I felt I needed to do, lynching the scummiest player? Because, if you don't, I'm all ears.

Now

I'M

not following

YOUR

train of thought. Why would you disband a wagon on a player you think is scummy?

If your read on Olinea is different from mine, fine, but remember that role is not indicative of alignment,

ESPECIALLY

not here. We eventually proved he was telling the truth, but the test failing would have confirmed him as fakeclaiming scum, which would have meant your read was right. It may still be.

Is it scummy for me to not watch the videos?

It's scummy of you to dodge my earlier question directed towards you.

It's anti-town to keep yourself uninformed.

We're not all blessed with the information

you

have, Olinea

I interpreted Olinea's statement here as common sense, not information he got out of the blue.

I really have no idea who is scum at the moment with Demon off the hook, anyone got any thoughts they would like to share?

populartajo's self-contradiction? Your lame excuse for a zoraster case?

[StrangerCoug]

I don't know why I haven't asked this earlier, but

Did anyone send in a role that functions as a Daykill when you PM it to the Mod?

I did not.

How can you not see that Olinea's claims have lead to two townie deaths, and a weird scenario in which I can't vote the biggest wagon? That is completely against my playstyle to not be able to bandwagon, and has me insanely suspicious of them. I will be checking to see if I can vote them, trust me on that.

Unless 1.) you can have two roles at once or 2.) both Olinea fakeclaimed a role his buddy really has and the mod made a mistake, Olinea is not the detonator. I am not willing to consider that Olinea is scum because he said "detonate". I'm not sold here.

Alright time to confess, i am a town Post Bomber, my ability was to choose a post number and bomb it. I thought that really i wasn't going to be able to predict who is going to post on a certain number so i did it randomly thinking i'd get lucky but instead i killed 2 people with it sorry guys feel free to lynch me, rather me with absolutely 0 abilities available than Olinea or someone.

Interesting.

StrangerCoug

WIR’s vote on tajo is bad; sheeping and defending it is worse. Doesn't feel like he's really thinking about the point at all.

I don't see the error of my ways. You're going to have to be more specific than that.

DeathNote, wow. Anyone else getting SCUM from this post?

I admire your desire for this game but you are trying to make this too easy for you. I will not unvote until I no longer feel my vote on Xalxe is necessary.

This rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

[StrangerCoug]

who is voting for me and why?

I am voting you for claiming that you submitted the Yosarianite role, which prevents one person from voting another, but later claiming you did not send a vote-manipulating role. Lynch All Liars.

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug

SC is doing a nice job of looking like he’s scumhunting more than he is. His votes (of which there have been many) are often accompanied by a quote and a brief reason (i.e. “No, you’re wrong there. VOTE: You”).

I am not going to write a 25-page report on why somebody is scummy. If I think one concise sentence is plenty, then I will only post one concise sentence. Think quality, not quantity.

There is also a lot of flip-flopping.

Evidence? I think I've been relatively consistent. Even so, things happen that mess up my reads.

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Top 3 scum: populartajo, Internet Stranger, Xalxe
Top 3 town: Olinea and ender241 are the only two people on whom I've had a strong town read. Forced to pick a third name, I'd say Plum.

[StrangerCoug]

I was asked for a top three. Furcolow is scummy, but not to the extent of you three.

[StrangerCoug]

Coug, what is the difference between IS and Furcolow?

Internet Stranger was clearly throwing crap at Olinea to see what sticks, while Furcolow's logic regarding Olinea's wagon makes little sense.

[StrangerCoug]

who is voting for me and why?

I am voting you for claiming that you submitted the Yosarianite role, which prevents one person from voting another, but later claiming you did not send a vote-manipulating role. Lynch All Liars.

i know you are a well reasoner so this is not looking for you, did you miss the massive explanations that have been provided, even the guy who supposedly "caught" this has apologized for not understanding what I was doing and confusing it with a contradiction?

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Top 3 scum: populartajo, Internet Stranger, Xalxe
Top 3 town: Olinea and ender241 are the only two people on whom I've had a strong town read. Forced to pick a third name, I'd say Plum.

Ok so the first post is SC explaining why he is voting populartajo. Stupid reason but whatever. The second post is populartajo defending himself and saying that WIM has already backed off his "catch" because he was wrong. Derp!

I already agreed with PT that the reason for asking if anyone had submitted a vote-manipulating role made perfect sense.

I am not bothered by the question itself or the motive behind it.

However, I have yet to come up with an explanation of how populartajo thought the Yosarianite wasn't a vote-manipulating role. My vote's not going anywhere until I see it. Again, Lynch All Liars.

StrangerCoug’s Question:

I’d like a Top 3 list of both Town and Scum. No, that’s not a question.

Top 3 scum: populartajo, Internet Stranger, Xalxe
Top 3 town: Olinea and ender241 are the only two people on whom I've had a strong town read. Forced to pick a third name, I'd say Plum.

Hold on, I don't understand this list. You have me as Town and Tajo as scum. If that were the case, wouldn't the best move for tajo been keeping quiet about sending in the Yosarianite role?

I am not a strategy expert and I don't see how one of claiming submitting the Yosarianite role and shutting up about it is preferable to the other as scum. Explain in further detail, please.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: you're voting tajo for his supposed contradiction. If you actually read what happened, it's pretty clear that the spirit of his question was "did anyone submit anything other that Yosarianite that could explain theses goings-on?", and so his response of "no" isn't a lie.

Then he should have mentioned "other than the Yosarianite". I'll allow the benefit of the doubt, but it messes me up if things are not crystal clear. UNVOTE: populartajo and switch back to a VOTE: Internet Stranger.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug: shouldn't you be pushing my lynch much harder than you pushed on Tajo's considering it is based on "LynchAllLiars" and considering I pulled a gambit in which I lied? I could see plenty of reasons for ignoring me if you were Oli's scumpartner.

FoS: SC

There are no hard and fast "rules" to scumhunting, only guidelines, and Lynch All Liars has its exceptions. Kokusho's Gambit is one of them, and certainly there are others of which people can think.

[StrangerCoug]

You do realize this game is composed of completely new roles, and therefore the fallibility of PRs is likely to increase?

but one shouldn't

assume

PRs to be fallible. even if it is

possible

for a role to be fallible, it is not exactly

probable

and one should always first consider the case where it isn't fallible.

Any PR with a guilty on me in this game sure as hell is fallible.

Unless we're dealing with sanity issues, I can't make heads or tails out of this. Elaborate please.

[StrangerCoug]

Olinea, of course you know already you are scum, so I don't need to convince you. Therefore after the clarifications made in this post, I will not bother to explain my case to you any further.

Oh dear God, posts like this are worse than Osama bin Laden.

NEVER

refuse to post or explain a case on someone just because you think the person is scum. That's counterintuitive.

And yes, I read on after what you posted. All I got out of it was circumstantial evidence.

Because thats the only fucking clue i fucking have, alright? Pushing something is a BAD thing if you wait until people realise something then it will happen.
UNVOTE:
I'm going to do something stupid here, VOTE: Xalxe happy now IS?

Way to be cheap about buddying to another player. The object of the game is to kill off the scum, not to appease to everybody.

UNVOTE:

I don't have a bloody clue who to vote for, really...

You just did two things: 1.) prove that you had no reason to suspect Xalxe and 2.) made it easy to answer Plum's question to me in her video at 1:17 asking if I still have a town read on you: No.

UNVOTE: Internet Stranger
VOTE: ender241

[StrangerCoug]

SC, where did your endertown read go?

To hell. If he's town, then he's acting like a chicken with its head cut off with that vote of his. I also don't buy that, 23 pages in, he still has no suspects.

[StrangerCoug]

Goddamn site difficulties ><

Wait, is there a jester role? Because ender just seems so obvious, I can see him being a jester.

Wait, despite Amrun's response, didn't the mods say submitted roles have to work as either town or scum?

The speed of the Xalxe wagon is getting worrisome...

[StrangerCoug]

That's a complete misrepresentation.

Errr..., NO.

I liked your promptness in linking to your meta, Xalxe, plus you've been playing better recently
I don't care if you're the top wagon.

I'm not sure you're scum

.

I've been wanting this guy dead all day
vote: xalxe

you are lying to hop to a wagon of someone you are not even sure is scum.

how is that a misrepresentation?

Going once... going twice...

SOLD!

UNVOTE: ender241
VOTE: Furcolow

[StrangerCoug]

Also, is there no cops in this game? Is that what the post four means from the mod?

A standard cop, not unless there are multiple scumteams. I sent in a role cop, though.

Warning flares errywhere in here. Didn't like the "multiple scumteams" speculation the first time I saw it and the "Mafia C" strongly indicates SC's flip will likely be a Mafia B or Mafia C.

Vote: StrangerCoug

I feel I made a reasonable deduction here. A standard cop only makes sense in a multiball because roles have to work for both town and scum, and I don't see how my post indicates that I took the possibility very seriously.

VOTE: Xalxe Assuming he's scum, he's making it seem like it is not true that there is one making us think there's less scum to take out.

"Assuming he's scum"? You clarify the rest, but this part of the post is still weird. Why are you softening it?

VOTE: ender241

[StrangerCoug]

BAH!

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, you guys lynched me before I got a chance to claim >=(

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry, but it does with me. That's the only thing I'm telling you.

[StrangerCoug]

You gave scum a pretty damn easy mislynch. I'm dead.

[StrangerCoug]

My death is irreversible now. I don't know if I can legally claim at this point, but you already know I die at L-3 at the latest.

[StrangerCoug]

Give me a good reason not to drill holes in the heads of most of the people piling on my wagon (read: the people on it for the supposed "slip"). I was pretty upset about that.

[StrangerCoug]

Well, that's consolation. I enjoyed my time having a strong role while it lasted.