Open 288 - Mayo Clinic (Game Over!)

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/confirm salamander

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Not just any America... West coast o_O

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Vote: wasamasas

Obvious scum is obvious.

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No lynch is a terrible idea.

Also, note that Doc is now the new Vanilla Townie, which makes Vigilante the scarce resource. Roughly 1/3 to lynch anti-town, 1/6 to lynch useful town power role (plenty of doctors to go around, I won't even consider them a power role). Odds are actually pretty good.

inb4 I see your preview, and I raise you this:
Lynching is town's only surefire way to eliminate scum. Vigilante kills can be protected against.

By the way, I give you brownie points for voting patterns. Death pattern, on the other hand, is extremely wifom-y. I would not trust that.

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Vote: Kagetora

L-2

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Kagetora's views seem so alien to me. Promoting No Lynch, claimed vigilante but advocating not killing someone because that target may be town. His general play so far seems to be "play safe". I do not like.

MrBump seems to be picking on easy targets so far. Probably scum.

Kage, wizrak and parknourie are scum.

There's something fishy about aaah400. I'm not quite sure if he's scummy, or his late join date in conjunction with his bad English.

Chocolate Cake is probably town. Definitely not a D1 lynch candidate.

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The gist of my vote against Kage is mostly because of his reluctance to lynch/kill anyone D1. I find only scums have interest in not lynching anyone (barring MyLo situations). Lynching someone with the risk of lynching town sure as hell beats no chance to lynch scum. I have to admit though, it's more indicative to a newb player rather than a scummy player. However, as someone pointed out (Evilpacman?), Kage looks less like newbtown, more like newbscum.

(Off topic rant: Kage. Come on. Grow up. Don't get offended at every instance of trash talk. Are you new to mafia AND to the internet? Please, after this game, take our suggestion and play a newbie game or three. It will help yourself, and your future team mates.)

Regarding counter claims, no such can be made so far. We'd have to out too many people for it to be reliable. It should only be relevant later, D3 or so.

So.... Kage is scum, MrBump looks more like MrBus, and the third's active lurking. Amirite?

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I'm not too keen on the vig claim plan. First of all, we have no means to verify claims yet. We'd also need 2 docs per vig, just in case SK and mafia targets the same claimed vig, which means we'd need 4 claimed docs to coordinate protection. Lastly, we also have to hope that the 4 claimed docs aren't scum, which again can not be verified in the next couple of days.

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@Kage
How are you going to handle 10 people claiming to be doctors?

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... Text is actually pretty hard to convey sarcasm. What I meant was:

Everyone will just claim doctor, and what's worse is that your plan of yours effectively outs the vigs AND makes sure they aren't protected.

Since Kage's wagon isn't gonna pick up steam anytime soon,

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Vote: MrBump

I may have to constantly unvote and vote MrBump though. There can only be so many "Bitch please" pokemons out there, he's bound to re-post his old ones.

As there is absolutely nothing pro-town coming from Kage, I'm convinced he's the second scum, newb or not. Third is still iffy though... Wild guess would probably be Klazam. MrBump vs Klazam seems a little off, sort of like soft attacks on each other without committing.

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It's L-3, by my count.

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But Kage claimed Vigilante so lets move on.

The claim is only as trustworthy as the person who claims it. So far, not so much.

Also, the tonight's outcome can neither deny nor confirm any claims at all. There are a lot of kill powers and 7 protections to boot. Any claimed vigs can brush off their failed kill attempts, blaming on miscommunication with docs. A decently strong cooperation would basically require mass claim, which is ill advised at this point. I don't think I can stress this enough; D1 claims can not be trusted, and N1 coordination is ineffective.

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This... I.... what is WRONG with this town.

To start off: People. Quit whining about MrBump (or anyone else, for that matter) for being offensive. Take it with stride, learn to ignore it, less QQ, more pew pew.

Kage, there is just... I don't even...

*breathe*

Grow a pair. Vote for someone.

Park, you just claimed at L-4. Thought you'd like to know.

By the way, andrew94, you basically FOS'd wizrak for having barely coherent english. Also, post #224 is not "sus" because it is true.

After placing his first (and only) vote on page 8, we can finally expect a case from Klazam on wizrak.

Park has barely posted. We're not lynching him today.

The number of park's posts is similar to aaah400's and klazam, exceeding mine's, vatesi's and wasamasas'. Just saying, the number of posts a player has made is an invalid defense.

Speaking of which, we haven't heard from both vatesi and wasa in a while now (43 and 50 hours, respectively, since last post at the time of this writing).

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Only scums have to worry about appearance. As long as you think your target is scum, vote for that person. If people question you, provide back-up arguments. Your passive attitude will cost us the game.

Vatesi shamelessly admits to active lurking.

Chocolate Cake (Carrotcake? Or is it a coincidence?) is on crack. One of {Kagetora, MrBump,Vatesi} should be lynched.

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I am not swapping votes because

Kage is scum

and all that jazz. Why he isn't dead is beyond me. He suggests No Lynching because the odds are against us lynching scum (or Serial Killer or WHATEVER)...

Yet he has a compulsive kill tonight

which, as odds go, he has bad odds of hitting scum.

Make up your mind, MrScum. Do you think he's scum or do you think he's vig?

Also... can we have a consensus to not protect Kage tonight? >.>

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I'm not sure if it's confirmation bias, but all I see is MrBump trying to delay the day by talking about past games (I assume that's what WWX refers to?) and obsessing over typo's. I'd be really surprised if he flips pro-town.

Klazam's PM argument is plausible. Wizrak's defense is poor. I could see a kiwi scum.

Can we agree not to protect Kage then? Let the other vig (or the real vigs? o.O) deal with him. If he survives, we'll know for sure he's scum (either got mafia doc protected, or is SK).

V/LA til Sunday. Might be able to post tomorrow morning. Sorry.

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Thought I'd post a quick comment before I leave... But things here leave me speechless.

Unvote

As much as I want to lynch MrBump, I'd rather not have a lynch happen in my absence.

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My god. I leave for 2 days and this is what happens?

Was a flame war really necessary?

Pro-town behavior right now is just ending the day so we can get on with this game.

Not quite, when both Klazam and I declared V/LA. Also, deadline's in just shy of 2 weeks.

By the way, Klazam's hammer was

way

out of place. You just shot through my scum meter,

especially

since you said you had something to add. Why on Earth would you hammer before you shared your thoughts? I call bluff.

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I think what aaah400 meant that those who think MrBump should follow his bandwagon; otherwise, vote for Kagetora.

I don't think we can reliably ask who protected Kage because Wasa/DLG might've protected Kage. Or perhaps the kill powers thought the others would've killed Kage. If it's worth anything, I didn't protect Kage.

Also, guys, chill the fuck. out.

Klazam, what were these awesome ideas that might be now too late?

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Yeah... it'd give scums a reason to QQ when we win >.>

So, Klazam, when are you going to enlighten us with your long overdue thoughts?

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So Klazam's basically active lurking. His ISO is horrible. That park-hammer was bad as well.

I have trouble believe the mafia or the SK killed wasa/DLG. It just seems too much like a vig taking out an inactive player to put town in a better position. I call BS on the 2 vig claims. I'm more inclined to believe andrew as he claimed to convict Kage whereas Kage claimed under pressure.

So... lynch Kage? If he's scum, GG. If he's vig, MrBump and Andrew get lynched.

Vote: Kagetora

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Well, Kage is definitely flailing with his supposed mafia doc protection.

scum doc protected Bump and that would be playing against their wincon

I'm confused. Why would that be against scum's wincon? I thought a scum doc ought to protect his goons from vig/SK's NK?

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At this point, MrBump is as close to confirmed scum as it goes without a cop.

I don't feel much for Empking, but Vatesi is definitely scummier than Andrew. I would support both lynches.

Vote: Empking

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Huh. That's the first time I encounter a popcorn claim.

I'm a doctor. I protected Chocolate Cake N1, and EPM N2.

Popcorn: MrBump

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I did my best. Andrew fake claiming caught me off guard, I didn't wanna bus the mafia doc... smart play should've told me to do it. Then again, I'd be killed by the SK anyways. GG town.