The Mafia with the Hydras - Game Over!

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/confirmed! Patrick's received word of our role as well.

I can look into making other people's avatars, if you'd like.

-Ether

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Let's see if I've got this playerlist straight.

1. Frogito Ergo Sum - CES/Shanba
2. Pathetric - I dunno. Some newb.
3. Gummybear - singersigner/quadz
4. Final Destination - presumably Fate/Almaster GM
5. Balam - no clue
6. Mrs. Flay - JDodge/Pickem
7. Reckamonic - Reckoner/dramonic
8. Greymarble - GreyICE/Llamarble
9. Untrod Stranger - Untrod Tripod pretending to be two people
10. BeaverWeasel - no clue
11. YosFlavouredCayke - Yosarian/Cayke
12. Unicorn Brethren - ReaperCharlie and...someone. Fritzler?
13. DaSpotthatkillsu - danakillsu/Kcdaspot

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TBM doesn't seem to believe UA and Flameaxe are there.

He's also indicated that Balam and BeaverWeasel are anonymous. Therefore we should lynch them.

-Ether

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I like my I'm-not-actually-voting.

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The pathetric hydra started with alt-speculation, in which they called themselves a newb. I know this not to be true.

So you feel this was an attempt to deceive?

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As a whole we do not value meta reads and so we will not be using them.

Well, this might help narrow it down

Truth is, meta is useful for reading people, and others will be using it whether your hydra thinks it's helpful or not. I think having a list of everyone's identity helps us find scum, and outweighs any benefit the scum get from knowing who they're trying to fool. That said, I don't agree with Greymarble that it's a scumtell, it seems more like a decision you would have made regardless of alignment.

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Fez is town.

-Ether

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Hey, Unicorns! How come Fate and Reckmon want to lynch you? What's up with that?

-Ether

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I'm implying that they're being too silly to be worth talking to directly, while at the same time going out of my way to make a post not acknowledging the DaSpot wagon. I'm being very coy today.

-Ether

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But seriously. I think wanting to lynch a dude with six heads makes you more likely to be scum. Silly, angsty scum.

-Ether

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I'm always serious, boy.

-Ether

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Hey, Singer. Who's scum? Why do you need to confer to come up with an answer?

-Ether

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I'm afraid you'll catch me if I don't rehearse all of my stances first.

-Ether

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Do you have some sort of complaint? Since when is posting who you think the scum are "cluttering up the thread?"

-Ether

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That is an

extremely

false dilemma.

-Ether

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I'm not going to play in a hydra without utilizing the other head of it. If I wanted to do that, I would be playing in a game by myself.

That is an

extremely

false dilemma.

I think that sums it up pretty well. You seem to be convinced that, because I'm capable of operating independently, I'm not also chatting up Patrick (when he's awake) and utilizing my doubleheadedness to its full potential. This is false.

It's also a really stupid conversation, by the way. You could just be posting who you think the scum are.

-Ether

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If I think one half of the player list is scum and my other half thinks the other half of the player list is scum, then we don't really get anywhere. If we have a chance to discuss what we think about the players, we can form more accurate opinions collectively from there.

Fyi, discussion is almost never stupid as long as it's game/mafia related. If we hadn't had that discussion, I never would have known why it mattered to you that I was concerned with conferring before we posted specific thoughts on specific players. It's pro-town to talk. To think otherwise is batting for the other team.

vote: GummyBear

-Ether

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In answer to that last question: I am keeping an eye on Fate. As I've said, I'm weary of anyone who thinks a six-headed hydra is a good fallback lynch.

But there's a very, very obvious difference between their play and yours.

-Ether

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Well, I'm gonna sleep now. Long day tomorrow. I guess you two can confer and figure it out.

-Ether

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What do you think I was trying to say?

For bonus points: what do you think the difference between them and Fate is?

-Ether

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For what it's worth, it's not like I just voted them over a theory disagreement.

Fate could be scum. (shrug)

-Ether

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Yeah, okay.

unvote; vote: Final Destination

If it makes you feel better, Unicorns is probably town anyway.

I'm still reserving the right to flip back to GummyBear. They can both be scum.

-Ether

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Why didn't you comment on my exchange with Gummybear last night, while it was actually happening?

-Ether

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Yeah let's kill them.

3. If it's not in the game thread or your private communications with your fellow head(s), don't quote it.

By the way, I don't think this is a fair rule to the scum, and for ethical reasons Patrick and I will not be posting our own transcripts until after the game.

-Ether

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Are you arguing that scum can fake this? And from there, are you arguing that they should have to? That's just not somewhere I want the game to go.

-Ether

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Fate could be scum. (shrug)

Yeah, okay.

unvote; vote: Final Destination

If it makes you feel better, Unicorns is probably town anyway.

I'm still reserving the right to flip back to GummyBear. They can both be scum.

I think Ether is particularly suspicious the way she got on our wagon, citing "thinking 6 heads is a good fallback lynch" as her reason.

Let me fix this for you.

I'm just completely making shit up.

Feel free to elaborate on GummyBear, though.

-Ether

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I did indeed say that. It had nothing to do with my vote.

-Ether

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Temporary

unvote

, then.

So I'm assuming from your whining about the votes on you and then disappearing that you aren't going to talk about GummyBear.

-Ether

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I

wonder

why I might be asking someone to post what they see in someone I suspect.

I'm going to class. You and Yosarian duke it out, 'kay?

-Ether

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This is a stupid discussion.

The following people are town so far:
Unicorns
Final Destination
DaSpot
Probably Yosarian, I guess.

I want to vote GummyBear again, but we're kinda getting to the point where half the cast has gone lurking and I feel weird focusing on any one person. Hmm hmm.

-Ether

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(I'm also obvtown, of course. Just in case anyone forgot.)

-Ether

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I don't know about the other dudez in this hydra, but I suspect the hell out of Pathetric. I am not going to change our vote, because I still think Dspot is worse, but I'd also lynch Pathetric.

X

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also,

mod

: is the Final Destination double vote intentional?

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Yeah I dunno what Unicorns is smoking. Which head are you guys putting in charge?

-Ether

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I don't really get the case on Fez. I think my other head will question them when he's not off playing chess.

Having said that, Fez's vote is most likely wrong.

Speaking of said reads, even Ether is hesitant to give a Yos a town slot, his play is just that off

Excuse me?

Is wary of putting vote on their own scum read. "Feeling weird focusing on one person" has never happened to me as town.

Okay. How do you propose to distinguish between {Balam, Flaygang, GummyBear, Mastin, Reckmon}, then, beyond requesting prods and waiting? At least two and possibly three of that group are the scum.

-Ether

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Yosarian, you're gonna sheep on me when I vote the real scum, right? I mean, extracurricular activity is fine in the meantime.

-Ether

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This posting head received a prod and some death threats in our QuickTopic. Sorry. Give me a moment to catch up and I will give you our thoughts.

Yeah. Where the hell were you people?

-Ether

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Ethe likes being affirmed, so I feel the level at which Yos joined with Ether while not really talking about anything else and letting it slide by is suspect.

That's a funny story. Yosarian was indeed acting kinda weird toward me early on, and that's

why

I decided he's probably town.

-Ether

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We've actually had this belief

waiting for the posting head to have time

...

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I'm not really feeling it yet - still don't think her vote on gummybear was particularly good - but CES thinks she's town so you know whatever.

Ohhhhhhhh Shanba. Poor paranoid little man.

-Ether (that last post was also Ether as usual)

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Basically it is partly that AGM's fury makes a lot more sense in light of Greymarble claiming to have made shit up, and partly that it is very obvious that there is a crowd of lurkerscum and we have to make them die.

-Ether

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vote: Untrod Stranger

-Ether

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HO-HO-HO. Yosarian seems obvtown, or he's snowing me very well. I usually find him scummy by default, but he just looks like town to me here. Final Destimnations arguments against him seem like a stretch.

1) Path: you have not (to my knowledge) explained in deatail why we are "borderline scummy". If you don't mind?

I don't remember Ether saying this. Right now I'm undecided on you and she thinks you're town. I feel like your post of attacks on us is pretty bad and looks like you first decided to suspect us then came up with some justification for it after, but that pushing for the mod to allow everyone to reveal their private hydra quicktopics or logs is probably a town tell (I think scum would be hesitant to have to get into making faking logs or having to come up with tons of fake scumhunting conversations in their quicktopics).

I like GummyBear's recent posting. It seems to show some curiousity about alignments, and I think as scum they'd have been more likely to brush off Yosarian's defence of Ether and keep the Pathetric suspicion going for them to use later.

US's post 263 attacks Gummy's post that just made me think he might be town, that smells a little weird to me. He says Gummy's talk on Ether is irrelevant because nobody cares about Ether, which is blatantly false; a rather large number of people have expressed some kind of suspicion of her, and a few have attacked Yosarian for defending her. Weird post.

Currently our combined town list has Yosarian2, Unicorns and probably GummyBear. I also think Greymarble is probably town, and Ether thinks daspot and Final Destination are. Balam as well, but I can't remember why, will have to ask her.

MID POST EDIT: Hey reck, do you normally wait until dramonic is with you to post any thoughts at all? Clearly some hydras have been playing like that this game but you didn't strike me as someone who'd be that bothered about conferring before speaking.

FES... reads oddly to me. There's no better way of describing it. This post reads awkwardly to me everytime, and talking about isoing Ether and agreeing with Yos2 seems forced, I wouldn't have thought either CES or Shanba would need to do that to determine Ether's alignment. Overall I didn't agree with many of the reasons people gave for voting them, but I can't get comfortable with them yet. I think Ether's vote on US is ok, but FES needs watching. They could go either way for me.

*disappears again*

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And WTF Pathetric? Do you not talk to the other head? One thinks we are innocent and the other one labels us as #1 die die scum die? How can you say we are probably town but yet at the same time a god damn VOTE is perfectly ok on us then? Inconsistent much?

What? Neither of us find you innocent.

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THATS IT? "We dont find you innocent". NOTHING ELSE?

Well, I don't have a clue why you thought I found you innocent and freaked out on me, so it'll have to do. I did write a list of people I think are probably town, and you weren't on it.

No opinion on Froggy, no opinion on the new Yos topic. No arguments, no tells, no discussion. Fuck this, im playing mafia like Pathetric and Scummybear from now on, since it seems to draw no suspicion at all from all these scumbag lurkers.

You like hyperbole. I gave my opinion on Frog in my last post. I'm not especially comfortable them, but I think the stated cases are poor and I wouldn't add a vote to lynch them at this point. I don't know what you mean about the "new Yos topic", but I have a pretty strong town read on him.

On isoing back, do you think that this:

Hey Froggy, being belligerent and insulting to everyone thats pointing out your scummy behavior isnt really helping your defense either. We can add that as argument as to why FES needs to hang.

is a genuine tell?

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Guys, I got addicted to a very long webcomic and I need to finish binging it. Could someone wake me up when Mr. Tripod is dead?

-Ether

PS. Seriously people this is obvious.

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Cayke, can you please convince Yosarian to vote Mr. Tripod? It saddens us deeply how blinded he has become.

-Ether

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@ Pathetric 48-49: We decided to remain anonymous before we signed up for this game, also, yes. Your effort early on to paint yourself as a newb was decietful.

A good number of players in this game know who we are, and in our very first post, Ether signed as herself and confirmed that I'd seen our role. On top of that, our sig says who we are. Do you actually believe what you're saying?

I don't like the rest of the post either. Are you scum with US, by any chance?

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Yeah we're lynching Mastin next.

-Ether

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It's like someone cloned Patrick! Suddenly the whole "thinking you're a Brit" shtick makes sense.

-Ether

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Hey, Yosarian? I know you've been keeping Cayke from voting Mr. Tripod. If you feel strongly about that, I think you'd better start discussing him with the rest of us as well.

-Ether

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He's at -1. A fact which I am perfectly fine with.

Some people (Fate, Mastin, Unicorns) may want to start acknowledging Mr. Tripod's existence now. Maybe their eyesight is sort of bad?

-Ether

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Your interactions with Ether/Patrick are not indicitive of someone who is not sure of anothers allignment. You interact with them as if you know beyond a shodow of a doubt that they are town and for that there are two options: you are scum or you are masons (or a daycop, but this is a normal...)
I believe it to be the first option.

Shit I'd better grab some credit since I couldn't lynch Yosarian. I'll just completely make an excuse up.

-Ether