Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[AlmasterGM]

Okay, so I was reading this game for no reason before there was a replacement slot open and I was DYING to get in JUST SO I COULD DO THIS:

Vote: Empking (aka Andrius)

There is NO WAY Andrius was town.

No.

Fucking.

Way.

First, he wouldn't replace out as town. He likes town and I think he likes this playerlist. However, he WOULD do it as scum because he hates scum and would have gotten frustrated. THAT ALONE IS SUFFICIENT TO CONVICT.

Second, he didn't DO ANYTHING. All his posts were PERFECTLY designed to look like they were saying something while actually saying absolutely nothing. This is in stark contrast to times when he LISTS SUSPECTS and doesn't ask pointless questions. This meta is SOLID.

Third, I am calling that post #1, where he jokes about the bus, IS LEGIT. I know Andrius fairly well and that smells so bad of IRONIC TRUTH.

I will read the rest of everything else this weekend, but right now I am 100% convinced this is the way to go.

[AlmasterGM]

V/LA until Sunday.

[AlmasterGM]

Next would be AGMs for reasons ill post when he gets back

Hit me.

AGM and others: Is the wagon on me (as AGM says) based on Andrius's meta? I haven't played a completed game with Andy but I think that when it ends up leading to a replacement being needed its not due to meta and overall opinions its due to some other factor.

First, meta was just part of the delicious juice. There was also the coasting. Second, I think this is a different kind of meta. This isn't like, "oh, his overall behavior met his scum meta." That sort of thing is hard to detect. This was a BLATANT "oh hey, I'm Andy and I suck at scum, so I'm replacing out wuuut."

AGM; Isn't Andy always talking about how he was scum in Greek mythology? That doesn't seem like someone who dislikes being scum.

No, he hates being scum. Trust me. He hates it so much it's

in his wiki.

[AlmasterGM]

This isn't one of those "ooooh but maybe you're wrong things." I know for a fact that he hates being scum. The end. My mind is not going to be changed on this issue.

I also disagree on your coasting theory.

[AlmasterGM]

overjustified?

that's the biggest bull shit i've ever heard. obviously you don't want to "delve" into it - that would reveal how stupid that point is.

if i had posted fewer reasons and empking flipped town GUARANTEED someone would have said, "oh wow well look at AGM hoppin' quietly on that wagon AIN'T THAT SCUMMY."

[AlmasterGM]

I don't know.

Do you?

Because you seem to be laying a lovely foundation to go after me for voting Empking tomorrow.

[AlmasterGM]

Why do you care?

because as town, unless you are engaging in SUPER SECRET TECH, there is really no reason to withhold information (and make yourself look scummier in the process, because it increases your chance of being mislynched).

[AlmasterGM]

derp derp derp here comes the votes

[AlmasterGM]

Next would be AGMs for

reasons ill post when he gets back

didn't want to delve into it

WHY BRING IT UP AT ALL THEN?

[AlmasterGM]

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

NO NO NO.

It was, "I'll do it when he gets back."

But then you didn't actually have any ammunition. So you made up some BULL SHIT, and then presented a situation where, REGARDLESS OF MY ANSWER, you would say I was scum.

HMM HMM.

[AlmasterGM]

NICE DODGE.

[AlmasterGM]

PRE-EMPTIVE ANGER?

THE FUCK

[AlmasterGM]

Empking + Fate = Scumbuddies.

Fate is trying to abandon the bus.

NOT VOTING YOU BECAUSE ANDRIUS/EMPKING IS STILL SCUMMIER. You live in the mindset that you ALWAYS have to be voting for the person you're arguing with. I disagree - Andrius/Empking is scum. I can still talk to you.

[AlmasterGM]

SINCE WE'RE QUOTING THINGS TOO MANY TIMES:

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

Then why not just say, "For reasons I don't really want to get into right now."

or

"For reasons that aren't really that consequential."

WHY NOT? HMMMM?

[AlmasterGM]

LOL

LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOZLOOOALZO

AHAHHAHAHAHAHA

ME AND ANDRIUS?

NAH HE WOULDA BEEN DEAD D1. NONE OF THAT MISLYNCH SHIT.

I WOULDA SHOVED A BUS UP HIS ASS FOR PLAYING LIKE A GODDAMN SCUMBAG.

NOOOOO. Oooooh no, you wouldn't have.

That's not how you play. LET'S TALK DEFCON, a game I followed VERY CLOSELY:

You put the heavy pressure on AurorusVox. I admit that. But when the time came for the LYNCH...YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GUTS. It wasn't, "YEAH BABY LETS GO," like you usually are. It was all hemmin and hawwin and finding some alternative target to tunnel and the mislynch on. You did it ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE VERY END.

[AlmasterGM]

I had ammunition, I didnt feel like posting it until

you were back to respond.

don't feel like delving too much into it,

If you didn't want to delve too much into it, why did you wait for me to be back to respond?

Because you WANTED to blow this up into something big. But you couldn't say thattttttt because that would be scummmy.

I DIDNT PRESSURE AV ONCE. I CALLED HIM SCUM OFFHAND BECAUSE EVERYONE KNEW HE WAS SCUM, BUT YEAH I NEVER VOTED HIM.


DONT MAKE ME BRING UP LINKS. I NEVER BUSSED ONCE IN THAT GAME. NOT A SINGLE FUCKING VOTE ON ANY OF MY SCUMBUDDIES, CEPT SOME DISTANCING ON THAT ONE REALLY LONG DAY.


FAIL-META.

Don't make me go get the quotes from that game.

[AlmasterGM]

ALSO NICE DODGE AGAIN. LIKE I SAID YOU QUOTES IMPLIED THAT YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUMMYMCSCUM SETTING YOU UP WHEN EMPKING FLIPS TOWN.

IF YOU WERE TOWN YOU WOULDA MOVED YOUR VOTE OVER RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

You are right, that is what I thought at first.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind.

I like this theory more.

[AlmasterGM]

OMG SOMEBODY IS CHANGING HIS MIND OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AFTER THINKING, SOUND THE ALARM AND GET THE SHOTGUNS

[AlmasterGM]

OMG SOMEONE CHANGING HIS MIND RETROACTIVELY WHEN I CALLED HIM OUT FOR NOT VOTING ME WHEN HE SHOULDA VOTED ME (AKA WHEN HE THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO LINE UP LYNCHES)

Non-sequitor. There is absolutely zero reason why I have to vote for you to call you scum. Zero.

[AlmasterGM]

DIDN'T HAVE THE ENERGY

LOL

NICE EXCUSE SCUMZ

I'll get the quotes tomorrow.

[AlmasterGM]

IF YOU WERE CALLING ME SCUM AT THAT TIME (HINT: YOU WERE) THEN YOU WERE CALLING ME SCUM

BECAUSE I WAS SETTING YOU UP AFTER AN EMPKIN TOWN FLIP.

AKA YOUR READS HAD CHANGED WHERE YOU SHOULDVE VOTED ME.

THIS DERPDERP MAFIA THEORY 101 DISCUSSION ISNT HELPING YOUR CASE SCUMBAG.

You are the one playing Mafia 101.

I'm offering reads. You're saying

LOL THOSE READS DONT COUNT IF YOU DONT VOTE.

Which is false. A vote is just a VOTE. It's not like my advocacy is unclear without it. If I never voted for you and then you flipped town tomorrow, I wouldn't be allowed to just say, "oh man guyz, I knew he was town all along because I never voted for him." No, I would be held accountable for my clear rhetoric and POSITION.

[AlmasterGM]

LOL NICE MISREP

I'm not saying you should've had the energy, I'm saying that excuse is BULLSHIT. If you didnt have the energy, then say, "I'll post them later when I feel like it." NOT "WHEN AGM GETS BACK."

YOU KEEP FUCKING DODGING THAT BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN IT.

FIRSTS ITS "OH HOOPLA ASKED ME."

THEN ITS "OH I WAS TOO TIRED."

NICE BACKPEADAL / BULLSHIT DODGE, SCUM

[AlmasterGM]

FOR ONCE, YOU ARE THE ONE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT.

SURRENDER NOW.

[AlmasterGM]

Oh, and is your role PM red?

I wouldn't know because I don't have a copy of the scum role PM, but MAYBE YOU DO FOR SOME STRANGE REASON.

[AlmasterGM]

OH SO NOW YOU WERE POSTING FROM A PHONE

I GUESS WE'LL JUST ADD THAT TO THE LAUNDRY LIST OF REASONS WHY YOU HAD TO MAKE UP BULL SHIT ABOUT WAITING FOR ME TO BE BACK.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE KEY QUESTION:

IF YOU DIDNT WANT TO BLOW SOMETHING UP INTO A BIG DEAL, WHY EXPLICITLY WAIT FOR ME TO GET BACK SO YOU COULD ARGUE ABOUT ME WITH IT????

HMMMM?

AND YOU CAN'T GIVE BS ABOUT PHONES OR HOOPLA OR TIRED. BECAUSE YOU COULD'VE SAID "LATER BECAUSE OF PHONE/TIRED/ETC." BUT YOU DIDNT FUCKIN SAY THAT. YOU SAID "BECAUSE I WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AGM GETS BACK/ .

BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO ARGUE WITH ME.

CHECK.

MATE

[AlmasterGM]

Wrong. And to prove this, we merely need to look back at the original argument.

"AGM was overjustifying."

Not only was I not really doing that (I had what, three reasons?) but that is just the biggest bull shit excuse of an argument I have ever heard in my life. You know it, I know it, EVERYBODY FUCKIN KNOWS IT AND WE'LL TAKE IT TO MD AFTERWARDS. And you one-line'd it at me, too - not even a full analysis. There is no way you can post an argument like that and NOT EXPECT me to respond with "BULL SHIT."

Which, I did. And then you suddenly surged with this newfound energy and have been yelling at me for an hour.

This does not look like a simple, "I was tired." It looks like you set a trap and waited for it to spring. Because you wanted to abandon the bus on Empking and you needed someone to be the goat.

[AlmasterGM]

#413 is responding to #411.

[AlmasterGM]

IT WOULDNT HAVE BLOWN UP IF YOU HADNT HAD A SCUMMY REACTION TO MY CALLING OUT OF YOUR REASONING. IF YOU WERE TOWN THIS NEVER WOULDVE HAPPENED. WANT I WANT IS TO LYNCH SCUM THATS ALL IVE EVER WANTED, AND I WOULDVE GOTTEN A BETTER READ ON YOU IF YOU HAD BEEN PRESENT DURING THE PROCEEDINGS.
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YES I WAS POSTING ON MY PHONE. CHECK THE TIME STAMP (LET ME SEE) AH YES 2:16 EST. CHECK THE REST OF THE SITE THAT WAS MY LAST POST THAT NIGHT PROBABLE FROM MY PHONE.[/quote]
What would a "non-scummy" response have been?

What response did you expect when you post BULL SHIT like you did?

YEAH.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS WHY I THOUGHT YOUR VOTE WAS SCUMMY WITH YOU HERE, IN PERSON.

NOW HOW IS THAT SCUMMY?

"because u were tryin to find something insignificant and blow it up to get a reason to move off your buddy-Empking's lynch"

LOL. THATS A STREEEEEEEEEETCH BEYOND STRETCHING. HYPOTHETICAL SCUMFATE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF REASONS TO JUMP OFF EMPKINGBUDDYHYPO'S LYNCH, AND NONE OF THEM INVOLVE WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THIS 'FABRICATED' ARGUMENT.

CHECK
MATE.

First, I'm still right even if Empking is town - the river just flows different.

And I don't think it's stretching at all. At least, not any more stretchinging than "LOL HES OVERJUSTIFYING."

[AlmasterGM]

EBWOP:

IT WOULDNT HAVE BLOWN UP IF YOU HADNT HAD A SCUMMY REACTION TO MY CALLING OUT OF YOUR REASONING. IF YOU WERE TOWN THIS NEVER WOULDVE HAPPENED. WANT I WANT IS TO LYNCH SCUM THATS ALL IVE EVER WANTED, AND I WOULDVE GOTTEN A BETTER READ ON YOU IF YOU HAD BEEN PRESENT DURING THE PROCEEDINGS.
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YES I WAS POSTING ON MY PHONE. CHECK THE TIME STAMP (LET ME SEE) AH YES 2:16 EST. CHECK THE REST OF THE SITE THAT WAS MY LAST POST THAT NIGHT PROBABLE FROM MY PHONE.

What would a "non-scummy" response have been?

What response did you expect when you post BULL SHIT like you did?

YEAH.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS WHY I THOUGHT YOUR VOTE WAS SCUMMY WITH YOU HERE, IN PERSON.

NOW HOW IS THAT SCUMMY?

"because u were tryin to find something insignificant and blow it up to get a reason to move off your buddy-Empking's lynch"

LOL. THATS A STREEEEEEEEEETCH BEYOND STRETCHING. HYPOTHETICAL SCUMFATE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF REASONS TO JUMP OFF EMPKINGBUDDYHYPO'S LYNCH, AND NONE OF THEM INVOLVE WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THIS 'FABRICATED' ARGUMENT.

CHECK
MATE.

First, I'm still right even if Empking is town - the river just flows different.

And I don't think it's stretching at all. At least, not any more stretchinging than "LOL HES OVERJUSTIFYING."

[AlmasterGM]

I'm going to bed now.

It's been fun.

Goodnight.

[AlmasterGM]

So first, let's talk about that meta (if only so I can feel self righteous).

I DIDNT PRESSURE AV ONCE. I CALLED HIM SCUM OFFHAND BECAUSE EVERYONE KNEW HE WAS SCUM, BUT YEAH I NEVER VOTED HIM.

SCANNING: AURROUSVOXIEST ISO.

ORIGINAL CONTENT FOUND: ZERO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AUROUSVOX

DIEDIEDIEDIE

PROOF THAT AURUOUSVOX IS HIS BUDDY. HE FUCKING KNEW INHIM WAS SCUM BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR, AND HE TRIED TO LINK IT TO ME BEING SCUM WITH HIM.

BURN THIS MOTHER FUCKER.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AUROUSVOX

SCUM
SCUMS
SCUMSCUMSUCJSMUMSC

AUROUSMCSTALIX
KITOCHECKOV

G
G
.

THIS WINS GUARANTEED. TOMORROW HAVE A BUNCH OF THESE COMMIES NUKE CHESSKID.

TODAY HAVE SCUMPR LYNCHED.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AV

WIN WIN

And this was a game with an army of dayvigs, so by repeatedly calling someone scum (even if you are not voting for them), you are significantly increasing their chances of being killed (if not lynched). I'm not even going to bother to get all the quotes where you SCREAM IN CAPS LAWK that AV is scum because it happens at least 2-3x per page.

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But that's not even the MEAT of the argument. This is a sideshow. And that's something I realized when I slept on this - you keep trying to sidetrack the discussion away from my ACTUAL argument, which is as follows (for clarity, in case people don't want to read the last two pages):

You intentionally posted a bad, poorly developed argument knowing that I would call it bullshit. You did this on purpose because you planned to then call me out on overreacting and use

whatever I said

as ammunition to start a giant war in which you would try to make me look scummy by using whatever means necessary.

After I called you out this, you repeatedly tried to weasel your way out of explaining yourself with excuses. First you say the argument was inconsequential. I ask why you posted it, then. You said "Hoopla wanted me to." This, however, contradicts with the fact that you explicitly stated you were waiting for me to return, which implies you

wanted to argue with me about it

, not sweep it away. When I ask why you posted such a poorly developed argument, you say "I was tired." You didn't mention that in the post, though - you threw it on later. And you certainly seemed very alert and ready to jump down my throat the second I posted a very reasonable, predictable response to your bullshit argument. So I'm sorry if I do not believe any of your excuses - I think you WANTED to make that poorly developed argument, you WANTED me to be there when you did it, and you WANTED me to call it bullshit so you could jump down my throat and spark a giant war.

Now, I'm PRETTY sure that you are doing this because you want to abandon the bus on Empking. That's the point of the meta analysis. However, even if Empking is town, you are still scum trying to set up a mislynch using crappy logic.

With regards to your "You didn't move your vote an appropriate time" argument - I have already explained why this is false. I do not need to move my vote to make my advocacy clear. We were in the middle of a heated debate. If I had parked my vote on Empking for days while repeatedly calling him town, then yes, that would have been scummy. It's NOT scummy to have your vote on somebody for a few minutes while you try and nail down what you think about a particular situation. That is a massive stretch.

That said, now that I've thought about it, I am much more certain you are scum than Empking, so I'm moving my vote. LIKE YOU WANTED.

Unvote. Vote: Fate

[AlmasterGM]

Because all the town players see your "case" is bullshit, and your buddies are being intelligent and staying the fuck away while you crash and burn.

[AlmasterGM]

HEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAA.

I'll be waiting.

[AlmasterGM]

Your case will never fly. You're pulling ALL DIS SCUMMETAZZ out of your ass and then throwing in a, Well EVEN if hes not bussing and Empking is town, FATES STILL SCUM EITHER WAY EHHEHAHAHAHAHAHA. Which is BS because there would be NO NEED for me to "spark" some giant flamewar between you and I if I could just get Empking lynched.

You're smarter than that, Fate, and we both know it. Yes, if Empking is town, you could just get him lynched. That's a great plan for newbie scum in the newbie queue. But it's not a good long-term strategy, because Empking flipping town doesn't mean game over. To the contrary, it leaves you in a post-flip world where 1) you look really bad, seeing as you championed Empking-scum and 2) you'll be running dry (seeing as, until recently, you haven't done much that wasn't centered around Empking). You NEED your mislynch engine to be already running full-steam ahead on another target. That way, you can string the lynches along without letting anyone pause, think, and turn their suspicions somewhere you don't want them to be.

And that's just Empking-town world. Empking-scum world makes just as much sense. AND OH LOOK, here he is now to try and add a little credence to his buddy's wagon.

[AlmasterGM]

"Pacify Fate" - if I wanted to pacify Fate, I wouldn't have gotten into an argument with him in the first place. Fate knows I know this - I've posted it in scum quicktopics, and he's quoted it from me before.

[AlmasterGM]

Well, he didn't say anything when he moved it, so how should I know?

Maybe because he realized he's been acting too predictable lately, so now he's trying to THROW HIS VOTE AROUND a bit more. Or to try and get back on the bus. Or for 1001 other reasons.

[AlmasterGM]

Also, can other people please come post? It's really annoying being the only one in the thread with two scumz.

[AlmasterGM]

No, but it's a lot easier to analyze a lie than to analyze nothing.

And even minus that, I did give me $0.02 of what I think a reason could be.

[AlmasterGM]

I basically declared AGM was townier than Empking,

aka town on town

when I went back to voting EMpKing.

Oh no you don't. You do not get to call this "town on town" after you just spent 2 full pages yelling that I was scum. Especially when Empking didn't do anything during the 15 minute interlay other than not post.

I demand blood.

[AlmasterGM]

For what it's worth, I'm not going to bother reading the 2 pages of Fate/Almaster bickering like schoolgirls.

Read the second half of this post for the summary.

[AlmasterGM]

Its how I get reads <3

Andrius claimed scum awhile back, remember? I just got side tracked by you post reading weird.

Let's get back on track

It's too late for buddying.

I'm not disagreeing with Empking-scum, but I am much more confidant of my read on you.

[AlmasterGM]

Hmm.

How many games have you played with Hoopla before this one (and if you have them handy, the game titles)?

[AlmasterGM]

Nacho is null because he hasn't really done anything this whole game except his self-declared "mess with Hoopla" and vote for Empking. So while his vote is on scum, his behavior is otherwise lackluster.

And Fate, I'm not relying entirely on your meta. The you-are-scum argument is solid all by itself doesn't need that component at all. It's just extra juice. And it's especially juicy when we consider you lied about DEFCON (e.g., you said, "I DIDN'T VOTE FOR AV AT ALL, I SWEAR" ... and then there were multiple votes on AV).

[AlmasterGM]

That was the next post I was going to quote. You heavily suspected AGM in the previous post, and two minutes later changed to vote for Empking. Your entire AGM case being completely undermined in two minutes because Empking was browsing the forum is laughable.

EXACTLY.

And this isn't the only time Fate does this, either. Over the past 3-4 pages, he has consistently done stupid things and then come up with bad excuses and/or lies to try and cover his tracks afterwards.

[AlmasterGM]

I actually might move my vote because I still think Empking is scum and it's a good point about the L-1 + no mason claim + probscum = good vote.

That doesn't change my mind about you at all, though. Especially when you say this:

Look at this CLASSIC scum blowing things out of proportion.

HMM HMMMMMM what went on during the past 2-3 pages? Oh that's right, you

blew something out of proportion.

I want to see what everyone else SANS NACHO, who is a permanent member of your posse, has to say.

[AlmasterGM]

And Fate don't give me that shit about me being a subpar player.

Your play over the past 24 hours has been REALLY, REALLY BAD. Riddled with contradictions, lies, bad arguments, backtracking, general nonsense, and the like. I'm not turning in my card for this one. No sir.

[AlmasterGM]

AGM, read my previous post on Empking please.

Eh, I don't really buy that argument. 1) Scum don't aways make the optimal fakeclaim, for multiple reasons (one being to manipulate you, seeing as you rely on optimal play a lot) 2) Fate and Empking might have planned for Fate to lay off the bus. 3) My suspicion of Andrius-scum is very strong and isn't getting outweighed by that speculation.

[AlmasterGM]

IVE EXPLAINED EVERY SINGLE POST I HAVE MADE. YOU ARE LETTING HOOPLA TINT YOUR GLASSES. READ MY POST WITH ALL THE LINES COPY+PASTED

SHES CLEARLY TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT AND OUTRIGHT LYING ABOUT HOW CERTAIN POSTS HAPPENED

I called you out on being scum waaaaay before Hoopla showed up and started adding fuel to the fire.

If you flip town, then yeah, I'll hang Hoopla in your honor. But right now my glasses are clear as day.

[AlmasterGM]

Actually I might not even lynch Hoopla. You're being pretty scummy. I'd have to think about it.

[AlmasterGM]

God, I want to lynch Fate soooo bad but Empking is practically SCREAMING scum.

[AlmasterGM]

Unvote. Vote: Empking

THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE ME ACCEPTING FATES BUDDYING. HE IS STILL SCUM.

However, Empking requires death.

[AlmasterGM]

I really don't get how you can see Fate and Empking as scum together.

I disagree completely. They are both being incredibly scummy and the evidence of link outweighs evidence of no-link.

[AlmasterGM]

Sexy scumflip. ATTN: ANDRIUS: TRY NOT BEING OBVSCUM NEXT TIME.

I've always been quite confident Empking is town, and I still am now. I'm disappointed that nobody else has really considered it.

This is making throwing a vote down extremely difficult.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm just having trouble believing Hoopla could be SO BAD at being mafia.

I know it's a silly argument, but she seems so smart (with all those statistics and analysis of the Normal queue and stuff). If she's scum, her play here is beyond slippage ... it's downright TERRRRIBLE.

[AlmasterGM]

So is this a form of "too scummy to be scum" argument? Cause those are silly.

Vote: Hoopla

I agree but I feel like what's going on here is just too polarizing.

If Hoopla is scum she is practically THROWING herself at us.

[AlmasterGM]

Hoopla, claim your partner please.

[AlmasterGM]

Because you are the one under pressure now. It doesn't make sense for Fate to "claim" scum at this juncture just to lynch you.

[AlmasterGM]

If you are town, we end up ahead (1:1 trade).

[AlmasterGM]

We are not going to TEE HEE this claim business.

Either Fate or Hoopla is getting lynched today.

If the one flips town, the other is scum and is lynched immediately.

End of story.

Right now I am waiting on Andrew and/or Fate to verify Hoopla's claim.

[AlmasterGM]

you're doing what I say.

No, I'm not.

We are not letting Fate sit. It's a bad idea. He'll will find some way to wiggle out, and that cannot happen. End of story. You and Andrew can express your opinions on who the third scum is, and we can proceed accordingly.

P.S. You were TOTALLY wrong about Empking and got yourself put in this predicament, so stop acting all self-righteous.

[AlmasterGM]

Fate can wiggle like you have never seen before.

[AlmasterGM]

It's not ME I'm worried about, it's the other people.

But fine, if Fate doesn't produce a satisfactory claim, we'll do it YOUR way.

And then if Fate wiggles his way out, I'm blaming the loss entirely on you.

[AlmasterGM]

YESSSSSS.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

FATE. Why did you pull a gambit claim and steal all my glory? Your lynch was supposed to be MINE. MINE. MINE.

Anyway, Hoopla - remember that other game where you did all that VCA and said it strongly pointed to me being town? And then I was scum and won the game because of it?

[AlmasterGM]

Unfortunately you were a tad late.

Anyway, even if you are town just DOING IT FOR THE LULZ, the LULZ would be much greater once you flip and Hoopla's analysis gets a giant pie thrown at it.

However, that is not happening because you are not town. Ba-dum-ba-dum.

[AlmasterGM]

See this is why Fate is dangerous, Hoopla.

Do you really trust leaving him alive until tomorrow?

[AlmasterGM]

NS you are not making this very complicated situation any easier.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm really struggling to care about this game any more. If Fate's town and his intentions were really just to fuck with me all along, then good on him. I'm probably going to have lost all respect for him if that's true, so I'm just more hopeful he's scum now, and this was an attempt to just crush my spirits and/or talk his way out of it with wifom. I think that's a valid scumplay, but I'm going to be really sad if he is town.

i thought u said you were married before = =

WOOOSH.

[AlmasterGM]

Ooh a new lease on life.

What shall I do with this second chance?

Famous last words.

Vote: Fate

[AlmasterGM]

dumbest shit ever

[AlmasterGM]

AGM reads scum to me during this course of events. I especially loved the "we lynch Fate or Hoopla, and if one flips tow the other is scum and is lynched immediately". Also, what's with the "it's ok to out your partner, it'll be a 1:1 trade". That's a LIE. It becomes a 2:1 trade once the mason has to out there partner. I think AGM scum is a likely possibility. But, I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this awesome post:[/quote]
O rly? And where were you during this entire exchange? Voicing your opposition? No, you were busy:

Sheeping Hoopla.

Cooooooooool.

DDD's analysis is right. Your predecessor did nothing and you have done nothing but active-lurk either. And you're doing the same thing today, herping back and forth from bato-whatever to me the second there is a shred of support for either side.

Vote: LMP

Likely scumbag #2: Nobody Special

[AlmasterGM]

WARNING: THAT IS L-1

[AlmasterGM]

ITT LynchMePls gets angry because he is caught scum.

[AlmasterGM]

I went back and read your posts. If my masons-claiming plan was so fucking bad, then why didn't you say so THEN? Hmm?

[AlmasterGM]

AGM ISO shows that AGM defended Empking (though at the same time voted him) by attacking Fate so much (pre-Fate dumbshit move). This makes me worry about my LMP vote as I don't see LMP/AGM scum team.

Defended Empking? WTF are you talking about? I started the game with a giant post about why Empking was scum, half my attack on Fate was spent discussing why Fate and Empking being scum together (e.g., Fate was scum trying to abandon the bus), and then I voted Empking.

If that's defending Empking than seriously I don't understand what the word "defend" means anymore.

[AlmasterGM]

I went back and read your posts. If my masons-claiming plan was so fucking bad, then why didn't you say so THEN? Hmm?

LOL. Nice scum-defense.

/DODGE.

Answer the question.

[AlmasterGM]

STFU ANDREW

you are completely useless and if you were not confirmed mason we would be lynching your sorry ass right now.

if I was on the scumteam I wouldn't even waste a NK on you that's how bad you are

[AlmasterGM]

lol ok

[AlmasterGM]

No but seriously, what the hell was that.

[AlmasterGM]

If NS is scum ... who is his partner?

[AlmasterGM]

I'm not scumz.

I'll hammer, though, because looking back at everything there's really no way NS can live. He's lurked. He quickhammered. He hasn't scumhunted. He hasn't really DONE ANYTHING.

Anybody have anything to say before the hammer of vengeance comes swinging down?

[AlmasterGM]

Yes I'll hammer NS.

Partner is either you or ABR.

[AlmasterGM]

Vote: No lynch

[AlmasterGM]

unvote

Um, excuse me? What are you scared of, the dreaded "quicklynch no lynch?"

[AlmasterGM]

...I'm not scum.

And I sure as fuck wouldn't go for a draw. In fact, I was just thinking about how stupid having a draw would be - in almost ALL cases, scum are forced to NK when you get to "happily ever after."

[AlmasterGM]

The fact that this was even allowed in the first place is dumb.

[AlmasterGM]

Don't you DARE start with that.

You were being scummy as fuck and you know it.

[AlmasterGM]

No. I'm not taking any responsibility for this at all. I was wrong about the you-Empking link, but that's not what I was taking to the bank. You're giant three page RAGE FAILURE with me was scummy. And then you went ahead and fakeclaimed Mason and all that jazz.

And that was that.

Here's my favorite two posts:

AGM and Hoopla are the only ones justififed in voting me today (see: Yesterday's "reasons" for suspecting me)

My flailing toward AGM was avoiding the NK like a pro.

Seriously, just stop even TRYING to pretend you thought all this would work out. You did a ton of random shit to mess with Hoopla. Whatever, that's fine - it was lulzy. But there is no way anybody reasonable person would EVER conclude you were town.

[AlmasterGM]

I lol'd.

[AlmasterGM]

And just be wary that nacho/ fate might fakeclaim mason so be careful with them CCing.

LOL.