Open 276- Friends and Enemies Mafia (OVER)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hello to DDD, who I haven't played with in a very long time. Hoopla, I will do my best to not turn this into a PYP4 Andy-lurkfest.

Dear lord I hope you’re better now than you were then.

Vote: DDD

because apparently he's only going to post 1 and 2-liners all game long

And despite doing that I was the second best town player (outside Amished) the last time we played Friends and Enemies together; funny that.

I am against this.

This.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

And despite doing that I was the second best town player (outside Amished) the last time we played Friends and Enemies together; funny that.

How do you define "best"?

Well lets note that since the town lost I'm basically bragging about being the second tallest midget, but lets go with most/best percentage of correct scum reads on major/day-end wagons.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I really don't remember. Were you suspicious of Vi or Zorblag?

Yeah I was the one trying to get Zorblag lynched on D5; VPB and/or Hito decided to lynch me instead

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hi guy who wasn't there; where was your part in this conversation, oh yeah it doesn't exist so why don't you go back to yelling at random people and pretending you're better than you are.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This Nacho/Hoopla argument is really, really dumb.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This Nacho/Hoopla argument is really, really dumb.

Dumb in the sense that the argument is useless or dumb in that you can't get any reads from it? Does this mean you want them to stop arguing? Or is there a clear answer to the argument that you wish to share?

Yes.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fate, why are you bothering to explain your attitude; surely if you really didn't care about appearing town you wouldn't bother explaining yourself especially to a single newer player who is unlikely to be able to do anything anyways.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Nobody Special, what about it baffles you?

It's just weird when someone talks on and on at length about

(almost) everyone in the game except me,

then votes me. With no reason or explanation.

Don't you think?

Not when you're scum I don't think that.

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Oh yeah, you changed back. You can help me anyways.

No he should help me; as should you.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Oh DDD, you string those prods along like a champ.

Thanks.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This is absurd.

None of you can be TOWN and let Andrius coast like this so blatantly and scummily

Please demonstrate how Andrius is coasting more blatantly or scummily than Nobody Special.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Quick check reveals Andrius has over 100 posts in the last two days; none of them in this thread. Yeah I think I can get behind this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Andrius

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

There will be blood.

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Hoopla, there's something about a player generating over a hundred posts within the span of two days; but not a single one in this thread that makes me believe that they're actively avoiding the game, especially when that player explicitly said they knew better than to do that. And actively avoiding a game is certainly something I associate with scum and not with town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: Empking

Personally, I'd suggest that the main reason you're scum is that you recieved a scum role PM.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

The worse vote is andrews, which goes without saying. DDD has also done literally nothing of note thiis game. Next would be AGMs for reasons ill post when he gets back, with nachos as the best

Nonsense, I've quite capably sheeped behind your wagon; that's very notable.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Andrew calling something a towntell that isn't.

Dumb or scum?

Stay tuned.

Ooh, ooh, ooh, can it be both?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I still think Empking needs to die; but I have no problem lynching Fate to shut him up. I mean he's being assisted by several other players, but he's right on track to destroy the game.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You're running around doing nothing but banging pots and pans together; besides creating a noisy din that makes it impossible to actually do anything productive it also allows multiple players to completely slip under the radar. Anyways it gets cut, your death would be a Godsend and it's only the facts that I'd rather lynch players based on how likely they are to be scum and an increasingly fleeting hope that scum will get confused and kill you for us that I'm not on your wagon.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Last post on the matter since I refuse to play your game. And I'll leave it both simple and broad so maybe you'll actually understand.

Something is not always better than nothing.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Co-sign everything AGM just said.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Eh, but it makes sense if Fate is a gambiting, lunatic, Commie moron. Maybe you should stop and think about the situation considering Fate already talked about gambiting on D1. Or you could actually think about the situation and not turn coward on your own position. Hoopla doesn't make sense as scum and I'm not willing to back her claiming.

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[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Congratulations Fate, you've earned yourself a spot on my blacklist. It was bad enough when I simply found you spectacularly annoying, but when you combine that with being a vainglorious dick with no regard for your team well go fuck yourself.

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Strongly leaning towards the flinter/LMP spot as the best bet for scum. Thoughts?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I mean look at the entirety of flinter/LMP’s play and it’s just characterized by safe, soft plays. Flinter, she buddies Hoopla pretty hard D1 not just opposing the dumb Hoopla “policy” lynch but going so far as to vote for Nacho. She refused to be part of the Andrius wagon and then tumbles quite neatly onto the mislynch of parknourie.

By that point she gets replaced out by LMP who moves Hoopla to L-2 in his first post with absolutely no reasons and his refutation of AGM’s argument is nothing more than a statement against his; no evidence or logic; he’s just repeating something he’s heard before uncritically. And then he’s equally content to sheep behind Hoopla once it becomes clear she is a mason and lynch Fate uncritically of whether he's town or not.

It’s soft play just limping onto town wagons with no reasons and avoiding the one scum wagon we did have; it’s pathetic and scummy as hell.

VOTE: LynchMePls

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

A) I don't look for scum partners without someone flipping scum; that's carriage before the horse thinking.

B) Battousai if you are going to do such analysis then why are you only looking at their scum flips? Surely you're not assuming the incredibly superficial idea that one of AGM or LMP has to be scum and that they can't both be town?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

No but seriously, what the hell was that.

Either yet another townie intent on losing us the game or the most blatant scum move of all-time.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

If NS is scum ... who is his partner?

Well if he's scum his partner is either you, or Batt, or ABR, I know that much. Like I said yesterday I don't try to draw positive connections until I have guaranteed information; though I may use process of elimination to help me eliminate possibilities. I want to hear what NS has to say; I want to see how everyone interacts with him; and then I'll make a decision on him and then assuming he's scum I'll worry about his partner at that time.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm assuming people aren't getting on because of the site going down a bit. Going to go look at outside posts to see if this is the case.

Clicking links that take you to http://www.mafiascum.net are not functioning I think; coming in on http://mafiascum.net works. At least that seems to be why I've been banging my head off the wall.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

But I'm really sure about AGM. Honest. Really sure this time!

Come on, he's not even trying to be sincere anymore.

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I guess what's killing me is that he just modded a game I ICed in the newbie forum. There was a succesful scum lynch D2, D3 scum quick hammers, D4 I'm still alive for whatever reason and lynch the quick hammer guy for a town win. Now I can't believe that NS saw that game and would think that quick hammering would be viewed as an acceptable town activity, especially by me. If he's town and lynched then he auto loses. If he's scum and lynched; well, he just went 1 for 1 and he gets his partner to a 3 person LYLO; far from the worst scenario in the world. What he's done simply doesn't make sense from a town perspective while there are backdoor possibilities that make it an acceptable scum play. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's usually a duck

VOTE: Nobody Special

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fate + NS + Hoopla = Elite Scumhunting Unit

Care to explain, Rampage?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Fate + NS + Hoopla = Elite Scumhunting Unit

Care to explain, Rampage?

Yeah, sarcasm.

If NS is scum then he shouldn't exactly be faulted for bad scumhunting should he?

Are we waiting around for your scum partner AGM to hammer, ABR?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Are we waiting around for your scum partner AGM to hammer, ABR?

Yes.

OhwaitNSisscum.

So I'm a bit paranoid; sue me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Waiting on mod's response to Batt's question before sending this back to night.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

In english?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm considering it a win; if scum aren't killing any more they aren't scum. Besides scum basically conceded that they couldn't beat the town in 3 person LYLO by chosing a draw (can't say I ever expected ABR to meekly accept a draw/loss).

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

ABR, you're clearly wrong; 12 player F&E always faces the happily ever after dilemma with the town opening a day in MYLO after enough mislynches; which can then lead to a cycle of no lynch to no kill to no lynch etc. The reason we faced that here is because you decided to no kill but 13 is clearly better balanced and shouldn't face that problem unless scum, like you, gets cutesy.

I also don't believe that you didn't know that your second no kill would result in a draw/loss given posts #784 and #785 where the mod confirms that day or night are separate phases and not that day and night is one phase and Batt lays out the scenario at hand.

And Hoopla don't hate Fate and Nacho too much; they actually let me get an effective read on you; they were just too dumb to do the same.