muh316 (2) - splitfarvle, T-Bone
barefootfighter (1) - Ellyssa
Rain (1) - Quaroath
Jack Forman (1) - Stels
Quaroath (1) - Rain
No Lynch (1) - Jack Forman
Not Voting (2) - muh316, barefoot-fighter
With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
A PL is worse if you know that person is town (witch most of you have stated the you think I am town) and so if you are going to hit a townie you would be wasting one of three oh so precious days.Rain wrote: @Jack
A policy lynch is not worse than no lynch, it is in fact better, for the same reason that a lynch is better than no lynch. Also, even if no one suspects you, that does not mean you aren't scum.
is weird phrasing that I think I can see a Mafia mindset saying, because it seems to subconsciously convey that you're trying to townhunt instead of scumhunt, no?muh316 in [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2851632#p2851632]#149[/url] wrote: Here's how I do it. I list everyone who I think is town. The rest are not clear enough to be considered town.
Town: Jack, split, T-bone, Rain
The other 4 I'm not very sure of what to think about them.
It makes no sense to me to say that you have suspicions for more than barefoot, then refuse to say who else you're suspicious of and why. I do not think you're playing to help the town win.muh316 wrote:Barefoot was not the only one I suspected.
Here's how I do it. I list everyone who I think is town. The rest are not clear enough to be considered town.
Town: Jack, split, T-bone, Rain
The other 4 I'm not very sure of what to think about them.
Doh. Since I hope he flips scum too, if we do lynch him.. I'll preemptively offer that at that time he was still a somewhat neutral read in my eyes, and that bit in #112 was from you asking me (#107/#108) what I meant with my last sentence in my "thinking out loud" post just prior to that (#106), which supported your points except for that last sentence. So in #112 I was elaborating what I meant, in that paragraph.splitfarvle in [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2854815#p2854815]#158[/url] wrote: Ellyssa: Has often posted things I was thinking, and I think her playing has mostly benefited the town. The only reservation I have comes into play if muh316 flips scum, as Ellyssa offers a defense for him in post #112
Sigh, I hate that specific phrase "Learn to read". It pisses me off so much. The fact that you're disappointed by this pretty much makes it more suspicious if you already start calling me scum which will, eventually lead to OMGUS. The fact that I'm voting for you isn't because of that one quote, it's because I read your previous posts as well and gave my judgment. The fact that it's pretty much OBVIOUS that you wouldn't say that you are scum in that quote is apparent, I'm not stupid enough to use that in voting for you. What you're doing in that quote is using a "I don't have a scum-partner, or he changes too quickly for me to actually be scum" excuse. That's what adds to your scumminess.Quaroath wrote:@stels failcase. Learn to read. I really need to explain what he did there. It makes for fantastic scum. I will when I have a computer.
Rephrasing sounds scummy, if you want to make a good point just flat out quote it instead of trying to twist it to your point of view. None of this is your opinion you just keep telling us the how the game is to work. I understand your role in this game as IC but you are bringing up the game machanics again and again while the rest of us have moved on.Rain wrote:@Jack
A TL is better than NL. The reason lies in the passage you quoted. Let me rephrase it:
As long as you understand that a lynch is better than NL, then any lynch is better than NL, including a PL.
Also, just because some people think you are town does not mean that you are town. The only surefire way of determining a player's alignment is either through cop investigations (which have not happened yet), or have your role revealed after a lynch. Again, you can be scum despite popular belief indicating otherwise.
You have always seemed like you don't want to make anyone mad, So I agree with Ellyssa here and I am going to do this now:Ellyssa wrote: Since muh never answered my question on who else he found suspicious, he seems to be trying too hard to lurk and "stay neutral", isn't contributing except to play defence, and is still on my top-two suspect list, I think I will
UNVOTE: barefoot-fighter
VOTE: muh316 (L-2)
and see if that elicits a response. Even if you are town you're not exactly being helpful, regardless if it's your playstyle or not.
a) I support Jack, but I'm not gonna vote for no lynch. I am really against policy lynching someone on Day 1.Ellyssa wrote:@barefoot #129 Welcome back.
a) Are you indicating you are going to vote no-lynch, or that you support Jack in his stance but are going to vote something else? Not sure how to read your paragraph otherwise, as depending what you mean, the "But for reals, don't." part could be read as you also want to vote no-lynch (ie, don't want to vote someone on D1), or you are simply against lynching him (and the policy lynch idea earlier) but don't mind lynching someone else.
b) Half the rest of your post is about Quaroath's multi posting that Toad already mentioned. Assuming you aren't Mafia and not still mostly away from game either, could you please share who your top suspects are at the moment and why?
I have never played this game before and have only read one single game on a different forum and learned the mechanics. The mechanics, I said, not the common expressions and abreviations.T-Bone wrote:I gather to think that despite this being a newbie game, most of us have at least played elsewhere first before coming here, so if anyone really is playing mafia for the first time, my apologies for assuming otherwise.
That got my eyes on Muh. Not enough to lynch him, I actually find more suspicious Splitfarvle wanting to lynch him over such a silly reason. Doesn't seem to be smart for scum either, but it is strange.Ellyssa wrote:Plus,is weird phrasing that I think I can see a Mafia mindset saying, because it seems to subconsciously convey that you're trying to townhunt instead of scumhunt, no?muh316 in [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2851632#p2851632]#149[/url] wrote: Here's how I do it. I list everyone who I think is town. The rest are not clear enough to be considered town.
Town: Jack, split, T-bone, Rain
The other 4 I'm not very sure of what to think about them.
I do confuse people's names. Others have, too, not only mistaking other's names (Jack called me "bear" twice, I swear I read a "barefoot-soldier" somewhere, but for some reason I can't find it now, Ellyssa called T-Bone "toad", probably for his avatar, and Quaroath called him "tabone", but that was probably a misstype), but wanting to refer to a player and typing out someone else's name. Rain and quaroath do this. Here:Stels wrote:Spoiler: Part 2
rain wrote:In my own post, I did make a mistake. It was supposed to be T-Bone, and not muh316. Let me reiterate with the correction:
You've mentioned everybody at least once, except for T-Bone.
Also,Quaroath wrote:I also corrected my own f up on muh in an Edit by way of post. Still, not a lot of interaction with me an muh. As far as T-bone goes, anyone that I forget about being in the game is aggro lurking and is by definition, suspicious. You pretty much did what i did, mess up part of a post and ebwop. i'm not sure how big of an afer the fact for either of us the ebwop was since it was nigh immediately for both of us.
I'm pretty sure he's mistaken here. Muh was the one who said "policy lynch" at Jack, not T-Bone.Quaroath wrote:That list is Barefoot, stels, rain, T-bone over lynching Jack on a policy lynch.
Yeah I know, that was a list of people I'd rather lynch for information than policy lynch jack at that time. Don't think a T-bone lynch would be a good idea after the last page. Still feel barefoot-stels.barefoot-fighter wrote:I'm pretty sure he's mistaken here. Muh was the one who said "policy lynch" at Jack, not T-Bone.Quaroath wrote:That list is Barefoot, stels, rain, T-bone over lynching Jack on a policy lynch.
This type of statement falls into the category of "the more you say it the less believable it becomes".Rain wrote: Remember that I'm in the same situation as you; I don't know anyone's alignment. I don't have more information (currently, only scums know who's town and who's not) than any typical townie.
Thinking =/= knowingJack Forman wrote:A PL is worse if you know that person is town (witch most of you have stated the you think I am town) and so if you are going to hit a townie you would be wasting one of three oh so precious days.Rain wrote: @Jack
A policy lynch is not worse than no lynch, it is in fact better, for the same reason that a lynch is better than no lynch. Also, even if no one suspects you, that does not mean you aren't scum.
You choose to cut this:Quaroath wrote:Read what I type more carefully, I have never said I think T-bone is scum, I have said that a lynch on T-bone would be more informative and thus better for the town, than a policy lynch. My scum group has been preety static all game. Pretty sure that's not flip-flopping.Jack Forman wrote: Quaroath- You flip flop more than a fish out of water with your votes. Lets see, i am pretty sure this is in order- Your votes- 1 stels, 2 rain, 3 jack, 4 bear, 5 rain, and 6 bear. You are all over the board and don't tell me it is to get info out when you have not voted t-bone (even though you have suspicions he is scum), but Splitfavle and Muh you talk about but are posting enough info for you to not vote them for info??
Seriously? How badly did you dislocate your shoulder reading what I posted as “My own personal scum team I’m a part of”? That’s a hell of a stretch for anyone to make. My scum group has been (as you damn well know) you and barefoot most of the game (Since post #78 even). I’ve had moments where rain pinged my radar too. This hasn’t changed. That’s NOT flip flopping. You chainsawed a post that has to be read all as one piece, and took only the one sentence you could twist to your case? How is that not the product of a frame job or just terribad play? You explain that to me, would you?Stels wrote: Not one to nitpick individual phrases and such, but:You pretty much admitted to being scum here, although that's probably a joke, which it most certainly is.Quaroath wrote:My scum group has been preety static all game. Pretty sure that's not flip-flopping. What's more..
That’s exactly why I didn’t use that excuse, and why you ripping the one sentence you did from the quote devoid on context is either A.) scummy, or B.) belligerently poor play, town or scum.”Stels” wrote:The fact that you use a "You can't keep me in a constant pair with another possible scum partner, so I'm not scum" disturbs me very much. That is the most worst excuse you could ever to get your out of a situation where you are in heat. So what if you don't have a definite scum-partner, that doesn't eliminate the chance that you are scum or any suspicions.
Okay, maybe you’d prefer learn to comprehend and not cherry pick?Stels wrote: Sigh, I hate that specific phrase "Learn to read". It pisses me off so much.
Far beyond disappointed, your case was case was so terribad, it annoyed me so much I posted failcase from my phone as I stood in line at the Rose Garden.”stels” wrote:The fact that you're disappointed by this pretty much makes it more suspicious if you already start calling me scum which will, eventually lead to OMGUS.
Your judgment of one post, you rorschached into what you wanted to read. That’s your case that you’ve posted.”stels” wrote:The fact that I'm voting for you isn't because of that one quote, it's because I read your previous posts as well and gave my judgment.
”stels” wrote:The fact that it's pretty much OBVIOUS that you wouldn't say that you are scum in that quote is apparent, I'm not stupid enough to use that in voting for you. What you're doing in that quote is using a "I don't have a scum-partner, or he changes too quickly for me to actually be scum" excuse. That's what adds to your scumminess.
Bolding mine. So let me get this straight.... I say in post #78 (83 posts before yours, over HALF THE GAME AGO) I'm feeling a barefoot-stels scumteam... and I'm just NOW starting to call you scummy? I find it interesting that you attempt to preemptively deflect and minimize the vote you damn well know is coming our way from the failcase post. I like how you threaten me there, "Oh no, don't vote me back, that'll be make you even more SUSPICIOUS."Stels wrote:Sigh, I hate that specific phrase "Learn to read". It pisses me off so much.Quaroath wrote:@stels failcase. Learn to read. I really need to explain what he did there. It makes for fantastic scum. I will when I have a computer.The fact that you're disappointed by this pretty much makes it more suspicious if you already start calling me scum which will, eventually lead to OMGUS.The fact that I'm voting for you isn't because of that one quote, it's because I read your previous posts as well and gave my judgment. The fact that it's pretty much OBVIOUS that you wouldn't say that you are scum in that quote is apparent, I'm not stupid enough to use that in voting for you. What you're doing in that quote is using a "I don't have a scum-partner, or he changes too quickly for me to actually be scum" excuse. That's what adds to your scumminess.