Mini 1135: Deadmines - DONE. PRAISE AZEROTH.

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/confirm

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Parama is always obvtown. Especially when he's scum, lol.

Kairyuu, if your vote for Antihero is non-random, what is it? VOTE: Kairyuu

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You put a non-random vote down less than an hour into day 1 in a day start game? What reasoning is it possible to have? Moreover, what reasoning is it possible to have and not want to share with town? Not sharing the reasoning is at least anti-town.

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Well, today's move is obvious.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Enigma

For obvious reasons ... Enigma, if you were town, what on earth did you expect to happen? Why did you do that? And the answer had better not be "for teh lulz."

Maemuki, why aren't you voting Enigma? Anyway, LAL and all. I second Antihero's break in the popcorn. The idea of popcord is to get the scummy people to claim first, and right now, Enigma is the scummiest person in the game.

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yeah, I maybe shouldn't post before coffee. Sorry :/

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Agreed. Bub, do you understand how massclaim works?

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Kairyuu - It's more or less moot now since I don't think you're scum (I got a one-shot tracker last night), but you pretty much explained why your post struck me as off. I was trying to pressure you and cut off some of those options I saw you leaving open. In general I prefer to see reasons spelled out so we can come back to them later if necessary, but I do recognize there are times when it's better to vote and shut up. I didn't see this as one of those situations.

dana - the case on Bub is more than just non-contribution. He's either skimming or rolefishing, based on his popcorn to Sathoris. I'm not sure how I feel about the massclaim restarting either; it was a gambit and it's served its purpose, I don't see any need to reveal any more information.

VOTE: Bub

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1. Why would scum clear two townies?
2. I can reveal the results of my track, but I'll leave that up to Kairyuu.

Starbuck, as far as the reasons thing, I want to see them spelled out for reference later so if you vote Person A for lurking and then don't vote Person B in similar circumstances for lurking and Person B flips scum, we can draw a connection between you and Person B. You know, because we're playing mafia.

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Kairyuu didn't visit anyone. Hence, he's likely town.

I tracked Kairyuu because I've neither read nor played with him before and thus have no sense of how to read him, and because he was my strongest scum read still living at the end of Day 1.

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Well, you didn't kill anyone and if you're a rb or something, why wouldn't you act? Why are you trying to convince me you're scum?

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Starbuck: There is a difference between "my strongest scumread" and "a strong scumread". I've stated before that Day 1 was too short to build any really concrete reads. I went with what I had.

Also, I openly said that I was leaving it up to Kairyuu whether I revealed my result or not. I don't like to reveal things about others' roles without their permission, and as soon as he said it was okay, I revealed the result. You're blowing things out of proportion and stretching to get a case on me, and then you don't even vote me? Instead you wagon someone for active lurking?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Starbuck

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Yes, I do realize that you unvoted me. That's part of my problem with you. You make a big deal about how my read changing on Kairyuu makes me scum and then instead of voting me you vote for the same person I was voting for - that doesn't make sense. It looks like you're trying to keep your options open and feel out whether or not people are willing to lynch me.

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sorry, correction - I was voting bub, not dana. Retract that.

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yes, I make mistakes. I also own up to them.

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Nope. We lost some discussion on Day 1, I plan to use today to build the reads we should have built yesterday.

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Ugh. Dana was not my top lynch choice for today.

If I'm right and Dana flips town, let's take a nice long look at Ender tomorrow.

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Are the tracker results everyone seems to be waiting for mine? That was a one-shot surprise; I got a message from the mod saying I had a one-night only tracker investigation. I didn't get anything last night.

Starbuck, why does your read on Dana being wrong affect your read on me? Why did you vote Maemuki based on a no result?

Why is there a lag between saying you got no result and saying you were blocked?

EBWOP: My question got ninja'd and answered.

VOTE: Starbuck

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^^ This.

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Ah. Well, I didn't get it.

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EBWOP: The only person who could have received a track is Ender, since he's the only person still alive who has not posted IIRC. He's been in Coney Island within the last ten minutes.

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Now that dana (who I felt was scummy) flipped town, I'm looking at Mae in a different light. Hence, why I investigated her over smargaret.

It doesn't explicitly state that your read on me changed, but my relative position on your town/scum list moved, and the question stands if you put Mae's name in for mine.

And I noted by striking that my final question had been answered. However, you're still dodging the question of why you would vote Mae over a no result cop investigation.

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Okay, so the only justification you've provided for voting Mae is a cop investigation that doesn't say anything at all about her alignment. If it's not the results of your investigation, why are you voting her?

dittoing Kairyuu again about the ninjaing.

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I'm not going to get into a semantics argument with Starbuck about the meaning of the phrase "relative position." I'm convinced she's scum, and I'm not falling for that.

Kairyuu, it makes sense that Parama can send out multiple abilities in a night - presumably he sent himself a cop and me the track N1.

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Parama, is there anything in your role that prevents you from sending powers out to scum? IE, is everyone who got stuff from you clear?

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Okay. So before Mae claimed, as in WHEN YOU VOTED HER, why did you vote for her?

EBWOP: Kairyuu, why is it that every single time I try to post, I get the post review screen and it's you saying the exact same thing as me?

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So, when you said your vote for her was because her claim was overpowered, you were backpedaling. And then when you start catching heat for it, you unvote, but if you really believed she was overpowered WHY UNVOTE?

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Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?

You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.

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The thing is, you didn't admit to it. You backpedaled, and evaded, and deflected - but your 345 is the first indication that you're admitting to a mistake. Your reaction to pressure also seems off from a town perspective.

And

I'd be fine with shorter night deadlines

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Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?

You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.

Again, quote where I said that I voted her SOLEY FOR THAT REASON.

You CAN'T.

WHY?

BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.




God, I feel like Fate.

Semantics. Again.

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You're not in the southern US. You're not sleeping with me. I'm pretty sure you didn't give birth to me.

DON'T FUCKING CALL ME DEAR.

And it's not dodging. Kairyuu ninja'd my explanation, adding that this is more towards your pattern of deflecting/trying to get someone to engage in an unnecessary discussion was all I felt I had to add to his 352.

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A quicklynch that would doubtless result in a scumKair lynch the next day, when you were already being pressured pretty heavily? Keep in mind scum is already down a player, do you see them taking that risk?

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I endorse the ender vigging.

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If inhim put in a repeat, I will rage.

QFT

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Antihero, that's a bit to close to violating the no meta arguments rule for my comfort. I'm suspicious of Starbuck's claim, and that's all I'm willing to say until inHim verifies whether that's safe to reveal or not.

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I'll answer the question tomorrow after I have a chance to confirm with inHim if it violates the rule. I think I managed to make my answer pretty clear, though. What good does it do to know the answer in twilight anyway?

Starbuck, I wasn't tunneling. I went after Bub, unfortunately he died.

Also, I'm not the only one to get something completely random and one-shot - wasn't bub a one-shot vig kill?

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I thought it came from Parama. Actually, I'd kind of like for Parama to claim - tomorrow, not during twilight - who he's given what.

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Fine. But if this gets me modkilled, someone go after Antihero.

There was no power attached to my track.

Why are you doubting it, anyway? If I didn't legitimately receive it, how would I know that Kairyuu went nowhere?

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Yes, because "Hai guyz, I has X power and Y is clear!!!" works out so well for town.

Starbuck, I never said Bub got the vig shot. I said he got targeted by the vig shot. Which is true.

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You claimed after I revealed a no visit track result.

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*grumbles about claiming in twilight*

Dwarven mage, VT.

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I have four words in response, if this is true: The mod's a bastard.

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Ugh @ kairyuu trying to establish himself as town leader when he's the closest thing we have to a scum lead. On the one hand, I seriously don't believe the mod would put in two of the same role, on the other, there's that tracker investigation ... ugh ugh UGH.

I think it's more likely that Kairyuu is a goon who didn't kill n1 than that the mod put two blood-elf paladins in the game, and in any event, leaving him alive isn't a risk I'm willing to take.

VOTE: Kairyuu

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Indeed it is unlosable. My vote should already be on Kairyuu, which is where it needs to be to confirm Mae, and then we just need to find the last scum.

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Unless you're the last scum.

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Antihero, do you have reason to believe your investigations aren't confirmed sane?

Sathoris as scum would explain an awful lot, although I'm curious about Reck's thing on Parama. Why is that waiting for tomorrow? If you're pretty sure Parama is scum, shouldn't we be lynching him? Parama does have a heck of a scum game (I think I've played with you once where you were town?) and I'm terrible at telling the difference.

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It's lylo. Unvote me please?

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I'm not sure it would have turned out any differently if we'd gone for Antihero instead of Sathoris. I feel a little cheated by how many times town got to confirm someone - it's so aggravating to have this nice mislynch set up for day 2, and discover that our mislynch target is not only confirmed town but bulletproof >.< That said, Antihero in particular did a good job in a tough situation.

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OMG, you're doing a series of dungeon games????

/pre-in for ALL

This.

Also, I didn't get invited to the dead qt either

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And you were the easy mislynch but I still don't like being called any variation of sweetie/babe/hon/etc. That and strangers hugging and touching me, ick.