Mini 1135: Deadmines - DONE. PRAISE AZEROTH.

[Starbuck]

/confirm

*clicks yes on Ready Check*

[Starbuck]

/confirm -.- awesome role for me -.-

Vote: Ender

Talking about your role in confirmations? Come on now.

[Starbuck]

smargaret and Bub's tunneling on Kairyuu's non-random vote seems a bit over the top.

Not sharing the reasoning is at least anti-town.

Not at all. I know it's too early for someone to have a guilty, but if Kairyuu knows something about Anti's meta that we don't, let him see what he can gander.

Your insistence of this isn't boding well with me.

Besides my role is linked to my race/class so public claiming could give scum ideas.

Your race/class wouldn't have given that away.

This statement probably gave them ideas on who to target now.

If you were against the mass claim, then why didn't you just say that instead of the second quote and a vote on Reck for claiming?

This. Exactly.

What's with these people (Sathoris and ender) stating things about their roles? Are you trying to make yourselves targets?

I'm a gnome ret pally (with pink hair obvs).

Gnomes can't be pallies.

Unvote
Vote: Enigma

Scum caught by page 3. I like it.

[Starbuck]

Also,

Mod: I will be V/LA from Friday March 11th to Monday March 14th as I will be in Barcelona on vacation and seeing Rise Against.

[Starbuck]

Voting me cos I'm:
a) A gnome
b) A gnome with pink hair
c) A palli
d) A ret palli
e) All of the above
f) None of the above

PS: Do girls play wow or are you a guy pretending to be a girl? If former fb me plx. kthxbai.

I'm voting you because gnomes can't be pallies.

Gnome - WoWWiki

Educate yourself.

I am a chick and I've been playing WoW since the game released. I have an 85 warrior and 85 priest that I've played since vanilla, as well as an 85 shaman.

If you had a town pm instead of a scum pm (i doubt you get a race/class combination as defias.....) you would know that you don't get a spec in the pm, just race and class. So if that isn't obvious enough for you that it's obviously a joke, then you probably are scum.

I believe him to have a town PM, especially since he claimed quite a bit before you.

Reck, Post 37...

Actually I don't see the harm in race/class claiming.

Undead Rogue

here. fucking awesome because I love my undead rogue.

Yay scum caught and it's still page 3!

Wrong, you're on Page 4.


Enigma's actions to derail the massclaim and then continue to just be all over the place is rather anti-town.

My vote stays.

[Starbuck]

Why are you so eager/gullible to believe his claim?

I have no reason not to believe him.

He didn't direct attention away from the massclaim with a supposed fakeclaim or just cause mass confusion like you did.

It's a complete WIFOMy waste of time, and in no way benefits town.

How so?

Are you scum with Reck?

Nope, he's easily my best friend on this site and I can get a damn good read of him. So far, he's town.

Why did you claim that if you knew that everybody was going to attack you instead of, you know, saying why the claiming was bad? Because I really can't understand it.

My thoughts exactly.

Thank you.

3. It gets us out of RVS and into some real discussion pronto.
4. I didn't think scum would overreact so badly. It was meant to be a joke of sorts .. plus I like gnomes.

1 & 2 are okay.

3 - We were already onto some real discussion.
4 - No overreaction. Two people who play WoW know that Gnome Pallies don't exist. Stop trying to discredit.




ender - actual thoughts would be productive. kthnx!

[Starbuck]

Way to not read the vote count on this page and try to push some suspicion off on Maemuki, smargaret.

[Starbuck]

Ok now what is a Paladin exactly?

WoW Wiki - Paladin

=)

[Starbuck]

My bad then, I thought you legitimately asked the question, lol.

[Starbuck]

A few.

Human Druid
Human Shaman
Dwarf Druid
Night Elf Warlock
Night Elf Shaman
Night Elf Paladin
Gnome Druid
Gnome Shaman
Gnome Paladin
Draenei Rogue
Draenei Druid
Draenei Warlock
Worgen Shaman
Worgen Paladin
Orc Priest
Orc Druid
Orc Paladin
Undead Druid
Undead Shaman
Undead Paladin
Tauren Rogue
Tauren Mage
Tauren Warlock
Troll Paladin
Blood Elf Druid
Blood Elf Shaman
Goblin Druid
Goblin Paladin

[Starbuck]

That's from reading WoW Wiki Races

[Starbuck]

Is there something about the concept of a gnome paladin that's particularly funny?

Not that I could see.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck is that a list of impossible combos?

Yes, it is.

I just got home from Barcelona, so give me a bit and I'll do a read over.

[Starbuck]

danakillsu

Well, I'm here, and the only unfortunate thing about yesterday is that it was so short, we practically have to start over. Catching scum D1, though, is awesome.

Some type of content from you would be superb.

Surprisingly solid reads from such a short Day 1. Scum lynch helps.

Yes. I agree. SURPRISINGLY solid reads. I'm not so convinced we should be lynching Bub immediately.

Again....CONTENT per favore, por favor and please.

Bub

Okay, restarting the popcorn claim.

Claim: Draenei Shaman

Sathoris, you claim next.

Why would you pick Sathoris when there's a claim on him being town?

Unless you are trying to rolefish.

What makes you think that Sathoris is town?

This post right here...

I got a one-shot cop last night, and Sathoris isn't a Defias.
Don't have it anymore so it's worth claiming.
Not confirmed sane but whatever.

Starbuck is that a list of impossible combos?

Sathoris

Well I don't mind claiming now. I sort of acted the way I did for a reason which I will explain when I'll claim. When's up to you guys if you want.

I think you are good for now and there are others who need to claim before you.


Does anyone have a list of who has and hasn't claimed?

[Starbuck]

Pot kettle black, sir.

[Starbuck]

In general I prefer to see reasons spelled out so we can come back to them later if necessary, but I do recognize there are times when it's better to vote and shut up.

See reasons spelled out?

Come on, you're playing MAFIA.

M-A-F-I-A.

[Starbuck]

I'm town, Reckz.

Dana can definitely just be trying to float along, but seriously, it's not like he replaced into a large theme with 30 people on Day 4. He has to read what? 7 pages? I'm also intrigued by dana trying to splash more suspicion onto Bub when he's guilty of the exact same thing. Although, Bub's complete lack of reading as to how we got the Sathoris semi-town read has thrown me off.

I think I missed that smargaret post when I was doing my catch up as well. Smargaret has one thing going for her that the others don't and that's being on Enigma's lynch, but that can also be null. Her quick jump onto the Bub wagon bothers me as well as her almost deliberate suggestion of suspicion of Mae yesterday (when she asked Mae why she wasn't voting for Enigma when Mae was the first to do so).

I'm more inclined to believe that Parama got a one shot cop than smargaret got a one shot track.

Vote: smargaret

[Starbuck]

I'm more inclined to believe that Parama got a one shot cop than smargaret got a one shot track.

Why?

It feels like smargaret just pulled it out of thin air. I already have a bad feeling about her from yesterday. I also have a town read on Parama.


I could be completely off too and maybe they did both have night abilities.

[Starbuck]

smargaret

1. Why would scum clear two townies?

Better question, why wouldn't they? Wouldn't they want to gain credibility?

Kairyuu didn't visit anyone. Hence, he's likely town.

How so?

I tracked Kairyuu because I've neither read nor played with him before and thus have no sense of how to read him, and because he was my strongest scum read still living at the end of Day 1.

You've never read or playing with him and have no sense on how to read him, but he was your strongest scum read? How does this work?

I don't get how you can switch so quickly from "ZOMGSCUM" to "OHHAITOWN".

Reck

@Starbuck: What bothers me is that you seem to just immediately believe the one-shot cop claim over the one-shot tracker claim, whereas I saw no difference in HOW they both claimed. There very well be a role out there that can give out two abilities per night, or there may be a mechanic (like a loot/drop system when a scum dies?) that automatically "rolls" for one-shot abilities. /speculation

In either case, I don't like how Starbuck arbitrarily distinguished between one claim and the other with no real reason to do so. Still liking my vote on dana, though, because he has yet to do anything to assuage my suspicions/disdain for his posts.

All she did was claim that she tracked Kai, but not her result, as he states here...

@smargaret: Claim your result please. I'd like to hear that before I make any more comments.

Parama came right out and said one-shot cop and that Sathoris isn't Defias.

She finally tells us and she thinks he's town because he didn't visit anyone, not because of a read. She's backtracking hardcore and I'm not liking it much.

Dana

WTF are you talking about? Did you even read my last post at all? I'M TRYING TO SHOW THAT BUB IS NOT OBVSCUM. I'm not guilty of the exact same thing at all, though. Everyone is just trying to look at my posts and say "oh, that doesn't really look like content, lolololololol". In like 1/5th of the time that Bub has had to provide content, I've given you at least twice as much to work with.

How about just a general catch up post and some opinion on things other than Bub?

I find you both at the same level with lack of content.

And now that I read that over, you were real quick to come to his defense. I do disagree with the fact that you think that you aren't guilty of the exact same thing. It's a tad bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

Unvote
Vote: danakillsu

FOS: smargaret

[Starbuck]

Starbuck: There is a difference between "my strongest scumread" and "a strong scumread". I've stated before that Day 1 was too short to build any really concrete reads. I went with what I had.

Also, I openly said that I was leaving it up to Kairyuu whether I revealed my result or not. I don't like to reveal things about others' roles without their permission, and as soon as he said it was okay, I revealed the result. You're blowing things out of proportion and stretching to get a case on me, and then you don't even vote me? Instead you wagon someone for active lurking?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Starbuck

You realize that I unvoted you, right?

Now, who's blowing things out of proportion?

[Starbuck]

Absolutely not, I read over dana and I don't like what I read at all.

When I first read it, I got a feeling of him trying to be hypocritical, and then when I re-read, I got the feeling of him defending Bub. The defense of Bub makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would he defend Bub unless Bub is his scum buddy?

Hence in my list of scum, he rose to higher scum level than you and thus, I unvoted you and voted him.

[Starbuck]

This is the second time this game you've made a mistake like that. First with assuming Mae wasn't voting for Enigma and now assuming that I was voting for Bub.

[Starbuck]

yes, I make mistakes. I also own up to them.

Nice subtle jab there, sweetheart.

I don't feel I've made a mistake. I still find you shady as hell.

[Starbuck]

Antihero

This is the second time this game you've made a mistake like that. First with assuming Mae wasn't voting for Enigma and now assuming that I was voting for Bub.

You're focused on the mistake and missing the part where Mae is kind of scummy.

On my scale, she falls in the null.

What about her is scummy? Got a case? Other than parroting dana?

Kairyuu

This is self-contradictory. If you didn't know how to read me, then how did you have a scum read of me?

This was my question exactly. It didn't make any sense to me.

Aaaand then she up and votes dana over something silly. Reeallly not making it easy to read you here.

The following exchange between Starbuck and smargaret pretty much confirms it for me. Looking at the two side by side, smargaret seems very sincere, if a bit overzealous (marked by several instances of getting facts wrong, which is definitely a town tell in my book), while Starbuck seems to be pushing way too hard on the things that I'm reading as town tells. I gotta say, I'm going to trust my gut on this one and move smargaret up my list, and Starbuck down it.

It may just be the way she's reading to me. I know that I've been told that I'm scummy when I'm town, so maybe that's how I'm reading her.

For now, I am trusting in my town reads because they have a town read on smargaret.

Doesn't mean I'm not keeping my eye on her though.

[Starbuck]

So the reason why I said I believed Parama over smargaret was because I received a one-shot cop at the start of the day yesterday. I used it on Maemuki last night and received no result. I did verify this with the mod.

Vote: Maemuki

[Starbuck]

More verification: I was blocked.

[Starbuck]

OK, first off, this gem really pissed me off, and I've had to wait all night to call Starbuck on it.

Antihero

This is the second time this game you've made a mistake like that. First with assuming Mae wasn't voting for Enigma and now assuming that I was voting for Bub.

You're focused on the mistake and missing the part where Mae is kind of scummy.

On my scale, she falls in the null.

What about her is scummy? Got a case? Other than parroting dana?

The misrep of dana plus the hemming and hawing on a vote plus the lack of meaningful commentary on anyone besides dana is getting you off to a good start on a scumread.

So, did you just not read the thread, or did you ask this question to make me look scummy?

Not at all. I wanted to hear a case about Mae from you.

Now that dana (who I felt was scummy) flipped town, I'm looking at Mae in a different light. Hence, why I investigated her over smargaret.

[Starbuck]

FUCKING HELL PEOPLE. I WANT TO POST WITHOUT BEING NINJA-ED SEVENTY TRILLION TIMES.

Don't you mean rogue-d? =P

[Starbuck]

FUCKING HELL PEOPLE. I WANT TO POST WITHOUT BEING NINJA-ED SEVENTY TRILLION TIMES.

Don't you mean rogue-d? =P

Nope. Ninja-ed. Rogues can try, but burst in pvp isn't enough at level cap, and instant cast, no mana, 20k self-heals are usually enough to outlast them.

Now answer my question before I vote you on principle.

Which question? I'm sorry, I had read your posts but I didn't see a question posed to me.

Apologies if I missed it.

[Starbuck]

It wasn't no result. The mod verified it was a block and not a no result.

[Starbuck]

Hence post 266.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, why does your read on Dana being wrong affect your read on me? Why did you vote Maemuki based on a no result?

Where did I say that it affected my read on you?

And your second question is answered. There was a lag because I was still in PMs with the mod trying to verify whether it was a no result or a block.

[Starbuck]

Ok. Nothing changes about my question. Why. Does. That. Make. Mae. Scum?

Why does it not make Mae scum?

I get the whole priest bubble thing, but to be able to protect people and protect herself seems a bit overpowered.

[Starbuck]

Now that dana (who I felt was scummy) flipped town, I'm looking at Mae in a different light. Hence, why I investigated her over smargaret.

It doesn't explicitly state that your read on me changed, but my relative position on your town/scum list moved, and the question stands if you put Mae's name in for mine.

And I noted by striking that my final question had been answered. However, you're still dodging the question of why you would vote Mae over a no result cop investigation.

No, your relative position did not move and No, I didn't mistype names.

Why are you blatantly misrepresenting me?

[Starbuck]

I'm going to save some time here and claim.

I'm just a VT. Blood Elf Paladin.

[Starbuck]

Okay, so the only justification you've provided for voting Mae is a cop investigation that doesn't say anything at all about her alignment. If it's not the results of your investigation, why are you voting her?

I do feel her claim is overpowered, and also, the fact that I investigated her and was blocked made me throw some added suspicion on her that I shouldn't.

I'm gonna

Unvote

for now. I need to do some re-reading.

[Starbuck]

Of course, three VTs have already flipped.

This claim could be two kinds of fake: one is that she actually is a town PR and wants to avoid getting roleblocked or shot, and the other is she's scum fakeclaiming.

I'll be using my vig on Starbuck tonight. Starbuck, if you're lying, you best claim so NOW.

Not lying, Will.

You know my VT play is usually scummy.

[Starbuck]

STOP IGNORING ME

Was replying to you, calm the fuck down.

[Starbuck]

You wouldn't be the first person to be wrong about my alignment, smargaret.

[Starbuck]

Of course, three VTs have already flipped.

This claim could be two kinds of fake: one is that she actually is a town PR and wants to avoid getting roleblocked or shot, and the other is she's scum fakeclaiming.

I'll be using my vig on Starbuck tonight. Starbuck, if you're lying, you best claim so NOW.

Not lying, Will.

You know my VT play is usually scummy.

Why would I know this.

Because of the number of games we've been in together and the fact that last I knew you could read me like a book.

[Starbuck]

I doubt you are a Blood Elf Paladin, sir.

[Starbuck]

Since it looks like Kai and smargaret are setting the cruise control for a lynch on me, I better get working on my re-read so I can give my fellow townies some input.

[Starbuck]

Oh, and Reck, as I believe I already mentioned, she voted Mae BEFORE Mae's claim, so any excuse she makes about an "overpowered" claim is backpeddling.

I did vote her before that, and I'm not denying that.

So how is it backpedaling?

[Starbuck]

Mod: I unvoted Mae in this post. Apologies, I should have put it on a separate line.

And tighter deadlines? We lynched in 3 real days on Day 1, and 4 real days on Day 2. For MS, that's pretty damn quick.

[Starbuck]

Okay. So before Mae claimed, as in WHEN YOU VOTED HER, why did you vote for her?

Because I attributed the block to her and I shouldn't have. Hence, my unvote and why I'm going to re-read.

[Starbuck]

So, when you said your vote for her was because her claim was overpowered, you were backpedaling. And then when you start catching heat for it, you unvote, but if you really believed she was overpowered WHY UNVOTE?

More misrepresentation.

Please quote where I said my vote on her was FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered.

[Starbuck]

Also, I went back to re-read from the start of day and did realize (after it was pointed out) that I was linking the block to her unfairly.

You have made plenty of mistakes over the past few days and have admitted to them. How come when I do the same (make a mistake and admit to it), you act the complete opposite?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?

You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.

Again, quote where I said that I voted her SOLEY FOR THAT REASON.

You CAN'T.

WHY?

BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.




God, I feel like Fate.

[Starbuck]

Re: "deadlines" - nothing would be changed for the Days... I mainly meant Night processing.

Oh ok, my bad. Then hell yeah. Go for it, dude.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck: It might be because it took several pages of TWO PEOPLE asking you the same damn question to get a straight answer out of you, and that answer was "oops, I messed up, let me reread." In smargaret's case she either caught her own mistakes shortly after making them, or a single comment was enough to get her to realize it.

Also, you're playing on technicalities again, and it's really bothering me. Post 304. Read it. TELL ME HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INTERPRETED.

I feel she's overpowered. Typically in Minis, Doc's can't protect themselves too. Unless, I read that wrong and she has to either target herself or someone else.

[Starbuck]

But with all of this one-shot stuff going around that may be the reason why she is able to do so.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?

You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.

Again, quote where I said that I voted her SOLEY FOR THAT REASON.

You CAN'T.

WHY?

BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.




God, I feel like Fate.

Semantics. Again.

Can't provide evidence AGAIN.

[Starbuck]

You can call it semantics all you want, but it's still dodging, my dear.

[Starbuck]

I lived in the southern US before coming to Italy (because I serve in the US military) and will be moving back there when I leave here. So again, WRONG.

[Starbuck]

OOIJOKDDOQIJWDOWHODUHQWIHQWIHDWIQHDIUQWHDIUQWHIDQWHDIQWHIDQWIUDHQWIHDIUQWH

That is all.

I'm done with this argument. I will be awaiting Parama's indication that he's heard from the mod and will revote once that happens. I don't feel like watching Starbuck ignore the fact that I'm arguing the exact same thing as smargaret, but only replying to smargarets posts, since mine are the ones with the evidence that she claims to want.

Oh, I see wtf you are talking about now. This right?

Ok. Nothing changes about my question. Why. Does. That. Make. Mae. Scum?

Why does it not make Mae scum?

I get the whole priest bubble thing, but to be able to protect people and protect herself seems a bit overpowered.

My question is in reply about the block. The second sentence was an addition after she claimed, just like in the below quote.

Okay, so the only justification you've provided for voting Mae is a cop investigation that doesn't say anything at all about her alignment. If it's not the results of your investigation, why are you voting her?

I do feel her claim is overpowered, and also, the fact that I investigated her and was blocked made me throw some added suspicion on her that I shouldn't.

I'm gonna

Unvote

for now. I need to do some re-reading.

Although, I'm pretty sure you and smargaret are going to rip me to shreds some more over this now. I thought I was clearer. My bad, the pages are moving too damn fast.

[Starbuck]

The second quote was the one that I wanted smargaret to link because that's what I thought she was referring to.

[Starbuck]

So yeah, I can totally see where that looks scumtastic and if the village has no better lynch today than go for it.

Otherwise, let's not quicklynch and keep scumhunting.

[Starbuck]

There is the chance that the mod including more than one of the same. Why do you discount this?

[Starbuck]

Oh, and you should probably be voting me right now, since from your (faked) perspective, I

must

be scum, right?

No, because I can see where the last however many pages can paint me in a scumtastic light.

[Starbuck]

Anyway, Starbuck, I'm very interested in which games we've played together where I should "know how you play as a VT", because I'm not thinking of any.

After going through your Wiki, here's what games I was in with you...

I was the Bulletsmith in Psychosniper's Save the Mafia.
I was the Town Backup in Kise's Owarai TV.
I think you replaced in after I was dead in Dollhouse mafia, but I was a VT there.
I was a VT in Hayl's Glitch in Time.
I was a VT in Seraphim's Empire at War.
I was the Doctor in Max's Perfectionist Mafia.
I was a Vig in farside's Zombies.
I was Kmd (the vote gambler) in dramonic's Scummers Mafia. (Btw, when is dram doing part 2?)

I thought I was VT in more games with you than that.

[Starbuck]

No, I seriously thought I was a VT in more games than that.

[Starbuck]

Before I am lynched, I want to get a few thoughts out so I may be able to give the town some direction before I die.

I seriously believe there to be a link between Kai and smargaret. The whole non-random vote thing on Day 1 seems very orchestrated as to show some distance between the two of them, as does their continuance of the distancing on Day 2 with her track result.

Smargaret also starts out on his leaning scum list on Day 1 and move up to his leaning town list on Day 2.


Ender may also be a place to look as he has just floated through this game.

I was feeling Reck as town early on and his last post seems very off to me. He normally votes when there are decently concrete facts, not on the chance that I was wrong about the number of times I was VT when I was in games with him.


In any case, this game is probably lost to the scum and now, I will have no other games to play until mith decides that my ban is up.

[Starbuck]

Again, when I flip Blood Elf Paladin take a look at who CC'd me and threw more suspicion on me. I bet you will find scum there.

[Starbuck]

You expected me to remember like 2 years of games, dude. That's why I had to go back to the Wiki.

[Starbuck]

I was going to vote you regardless of how you responded.

Ah well then. Lost cause then.

[Starbuck]

OH FUCK THIS

Enigma -

Defias Saboteur

, Kicked from the dungeon Day 1

Battousai -

Night Elf Hunter, Vanilla Townie

, incensed to point of RAGEQUIT Night 1

Danakillsu -

Human Hunter, Vanilla Townie

, Kicked from the dungeon Day 2

Bubbiddrskns -

Draenei Shaman, Vanilla Townie

, Ran off from the group Night 2

Btw Kai, your two paladins thing is flawed.

We've had two hunters flip.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Kairyuu

This is why I would have like to continue with the race/class claim. I know I'm not lying.

[Starbuck]

Not that me knowing that I'm not lying means anything to you all since you can't see my role PM.

But I was blessed with Arcane Intellect.

[Starbuck]

Okay.

And... this does what (in this game, obviously, not WoW).

It faded from me. I'm not sure if I was guarded or if that was the cop thing.

[Starbuck]

And blessed shouldn't be taken in the Paladin meaning of "Blessings", but just that it was cast upon me.

[Starbuck]

Take a look at the image in the 2nd post. It shows the "Satchel of Goods" and not "Justice Points".

[Starbuck]

3rd post I mean.

[Starbuck]

The lack of a tracker claim displeases me.

The only person who hasn't posted is ender. If the tracker gifter seriously gave it to him, I will rage.

You and me both.

[Starbuck]

These are all of ender's posts btw....

/confirm -.- awesome role for me -.-

Endertwofour (1)

- Starbuck

I see what you did there

VOTE: Enigma We know why, obv scum.

VOTE: Parama don't like the rushed voting.

VOTE: Danakillsu i also noticed he did not vote for Enigma part 1.

[Starbuck]

It wasn't a no result. I got confirmation that is was a block.

[Starbuck]

How could inhim tell you that kind of thing, anyway?

Flavor text was used and was rather vague as to what the result was (no result or block). So I asked for a better explanation and found out that I was blocked.

[Starbuck]

How could inhim tell you that kind of thing, anyway?

Flavor text was used and was rather vague as to what the result was (no result or block). So I asked for a better explanation and found out that I was blocked.

... OK.

Why would scumKair CC a vanilla townie claim?

For a quick/easy lynch.

Look at the last 2 days.

[Starbuck]

I don't know what the scum would do, but you seem like you know a lot about what they may be thinking about.

[Starbuck]

I just read Sathoris's ISO and I may have missed it, but I saw nothing about his claim other than him saying that it's linked to his role and that he didn't want to claim it.

So how do you know what he is Kai?

[Starbuck]

How can Sathoris put a non-random vote on me when I just claimed. We're past the point of 'lol u funny' RVS play and into actually massclaiming races/classes.

On that note, how about

Bub

goes next.

@Kai: Bub is neutral because he doesn't have tells. Ever. He's just town or scum, and good fucking luck in figuring it out.

I'm not. I just read the first page. Besides my role is linked to my race/class so public claiming could give scum ideas. So in a way my vote wasn't completely random at all. Nice how things go hand in hand sometimes eh.

Well I don't mind claiming now. I sort of acted the way I did for a reason which I will explain when I'll claim. When's up to you guys if you want.

Everyone seems to be a gifter here.

OK, fine, there's a way to settle it.

If anyone got any kind of protective gift at all during this game, claim it now.

UNVOTE: in the meantime, I guess

I have a 1 shot ardent defender that stops any kill attempt on me. I was hoping to be targeted on N1, hence my statements against mass claiming on D1. There is nothing in my role PM about informing me if I was targeted though.

The 1 shot ardent defender is a Prot Pally spell.

I see it now.

I was just looking for the word "Paladin".

[Starbuck]

I'm wondering why there's absolutely no talk of ender. He's rather useless and I hope the mod replaces him.

[Starbuck]

Several people have mentioned that he's been online and posting elsewhere while ignoring this game. He's probably your scumbuddy, which I've said two or three times by now.

Prolly yours dear. I'm flipping blue when I flip.

[Starbuck]

I've got a wild idea. What if the "vig kill" is completely made up and Bub is really the actual scum kill?

[Starbuck]

We've heard evidence of cop claims and tracker claims, but no other vig claims other than Kai.

[Starbuck]

I meant before Reck today.

[Starbuck]

It just seems like the flavor for the Night 1 kill and the Night 2 kill are essentially the same, which is why I'm doubting Kai.

[Starbuck]

Parama claimed to have GIVEN me the vig kill, and knew the scum kill was blocked before I said so. Try again Scummy McScumscum.

So how was I blocked as well as the scum kill being blocked?

[Starbuck]

Thus far, all three claimed one-shots were given during the Night phase, and usable immediately. I dunno about Parama and smargaret yesterday, but mine also didn't come with a name, just a note that I'd been given a vig kill, whereas Starbuck mentioned Arcane Intellect. Thus, if there are no more priest claims, Starbuck is confirmed scum, and if there is no one who can give an ability that is received during the Day phase, Starbuck is confirmed scum.

At the beginning of Day 2, it came as a note stating that I had a cop investigation available for Night 2.

At the beginning of this day, the flavor that I was confused about stated that Arcane Intellect had faded/been dispelled and that I was blocked.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck will flip town as a Blood Elf Paladin.

Good job in handing this game to the scum, fellow townies.

[Starbuck]

You keep going on and on about being a dumbass if I flip scum. Nobody else has verified that they got a cop investigation yesterday, I even dropped the hint about it by saying that I believed Parama over smargaret. How dense do you have to be? Someone picked up on it and that's exactly why I was blocked.

[Starbuck]

Doesn't clear me, I'm dead either way.

He seems to not want to be shot though and personally, I'd go with the plan, especially after you see my flip, Reck.

[Starbuck]

This situation is excruciating because neither starbuck nor kairyuu are scummy (they're actually both pretty townish). The only thing going against starbuck is the sequence of the claims.

If inhim put in a repeat, I will rage.

What do you mean? I claimed before Kairyuu.

[Starbuck]

Well, I can only hope that when my flip shows true to what I'm saying that Reck's vig will be pointed at Kai.

This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and we could have lynched obvscum ender.

[Starbuck]

It's not actually. You can name abilities just not quote directly.

I take this as smargaret refusing to help town.

[Starbuck]

So this gifter gives 1 shot tracker to marge and then disappears? This looks fishy.

Thank you.

[Starbuck]

Also, we're not questioning the authenticity of Starbuck's claim (parama got it too, remember?).

My BE Paladin claim was in question as well as the fact that I didn't get what post of mine Kairyuu was talking about at the beginning of today.

I'd also like to note the 2 straight days of tunneling that smargaret has done on me and has provided no other suspects or possible leads.

[Starbuck]

And btw, Kai that last long post.

tl;dr

[Starbuck]

You know I'm disappointed in Sathoris for basically being confirmed town and adding nothing to the last however many pages.

[Starbuck]

Went after Bub??? Yesterday??? No dear, you did not.

I'll answer the question tomorrow after I have a chance to confirm with inHim if it violates the rule. I think I managed to make my answer pretty clear, though. What good does it do to know the answer in twilight anyway?

Starbuck, I wasn't tunneling. I went after Bub, unfortunately he died.

Also, I'm not the only one to get something completely random and one-shot - wasn't bub a one-shot vig kill?

1. You voted Bub in your #6 of your iso[/url. but starting with #10 of your ISO on, you straight tunnel me.

Guys, read her ISO, it's all there.


2. Nothing in Bub's ISO says ANYTHING about a vig.

Town, I implore you. Lynch this liar tomorrow.

Why are you doubting it, anyway? If I didn't legitimately receive it, how would I know that Kairyuu went nowhere?

Because maybe you didn't receive a track and are making it all up.

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP: 1. You voted Bub in your #6 of your iso. but starting with #10 of your ISO on, you straight tunnel me.

[Starbuck]

And doubting is part of mafia. Your word won't always be taken as gold.

[Starbuck]

Just trying my best to give town something to work with for tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

You claimed after I revealed a no visit track result.

This is true.

#19 of Kai's ISO is the first mention of him doing the kill. Well, after smargaret claims the track.

@Parama: I knew it was a blocked kill because I made the kill. How did you know?

But two blocked kills in 2 nights doesn't make any sense, especially because the flavors are so close together. I don't think there's a vig.

And if there's no vig, then Reck and Kai are scumbuddies.

[Starbuck]

But if Parama gave it, then that point is moot as well.

Parama has to be our gift giver.

[Starbuck]

But two blocked kills in 2 nights doesn't make any sense, especially because the flavors are so close together. I don't think there's a vig.

And if there's no vig, then Reck and Kai are scumbuddies.

Wait, what were the TWO blocked kills?

Scum kill was supposedly blocked last night (because isn't that being touted as a vig kill?). Also if there's a vig, then we're missing a kill from either scum or vig on Night 1.

[Starbuck]

Current claims:
Kairyuu: Blood elf Paladin
Starbuck: Blood elf Paladin

I find it odd that both people are the same class and race, this might be right though just seems abit odd. Do you guys want me to claim?

Yes.

[Starbuck]

Figures.

[Starbuck]

And hence, why there shouldn't have been a quickhammer on me.

Good job guys.

[Starbuck]

Dwarven mages didn't get introduced until Cata, right?

[Starbuck]

Smargaret or Ender are great targets. Imho Reck, I'd shoot smargaret.

She's made too many slip ups to be town.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck: Should have listened to you about smarg earlier. Didn't matter in the end because I broke the game, but I still deserve an "I told you so" from you for trusting her over you.

I told you all smargaret was scum!!!!

[Starbuck]

There was a deadtopic and I wasn't invited?

/sadface

I wasn't invited either. That's some bullshit.

[Starbuck]

OMG, you're doing a series of dungeon games????

/pre-in for ALL

[Starbuck]

I vote ZG over ZA.

[Starbuck]

Oh smargaret, no hard feelings.

You were just scummy scummy scum and I knew it.