Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[crazypianist1116]

Vote: Kalofer

Since I'm inevitably going to become his target.

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Responding to a prod. Will be posting tonight.

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Ok so I just read through the whole thread essentially the first time. How you guys post 14 pages over 3 days, I have no clue. So difficult to keep up with. Sorry I didn't keep my promise of posting last night, I fell asleep somewhere around page 8.

Obvious wifom from twisted has already been pointed out as well as some other fallacies. I'm going to have to join the people that say my pm implies twisted is scum. I want to take another look at the hoppster/ts argument and stuff from zyrc and mb before I place my vote though. Expect some more tonight.

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Hoppster zoom out. I don't think TS is scum either.
Going to reread later with my new opinions but I've basically expressed what I feel.

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Amrun please reveal when you feel comfortable.
Hoppster, yes.
Thankfully things have calmed down and it's not 5 pages a day anymore...

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Hoppster, strongly implied.

Amrun, your PM

explicitly

says TS's role is scum? If it's explicit then I'm comfortable changing my vote to him but if it's just "strongly implied" then I'm going to continue with my own reasoning. I don't get why you would say this:

That being said, if TS had previously been playing pro-town, I wouldn't be pushing this so hard -- and in fact, I wouldn't even be in this position.

If your PM explicitly says TS's role is scum.

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Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.

Hazard, explain. I smell bus.

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So yeah you don't throw around bolded "I know what's going to happen's" out there without any explanation unless you're informed.
Hazard was either trying to prevent twisted's lynch as he was scum team or trying to gain town cred when he kills twisted tonight. I'm inclined to believe the former as my TS read flipped town because of Hazard's bold. Hazard's blatently contradicted himself.

Unvote Vote: Hazard with a Glove

When he flips scum let's lynch TS mmmkay?

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@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

I thought Hazard's PM said something specifically about TS. I didn't specifically guess that they had the same role. The quote about TS asking about items could be construed as rolefishing at best or he could be contradicting his role with a mod-provided fakeclaim at worst. I still don't trust Hazard's flip on TS. I just don't think having the same roles in a mini game (apart from vanilla) is likely. If anyone wants to provide examples to counter, feel free.

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Other than the "Game thread is here" and "Reply to this PM to confirm" it's pretty spot on.

TS's role claim is my role. Thar.

...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

Just saying I might not have time to really think about what's going tonight. I have/am walking home from track, so I read through the thread. I will say that TS's defense looks like something a normal Scum would make. But even if he is Scum isn't exactly the most normal Scum.

Now someone tell me HOW can you even suspect TS after confirming his PM to be EXACTLY AS YOURS
It's either he lied for no freaking reason or he is scum, and the current mindset here says he deserves a lynch.

This is essentially what I'm thinking. Zyrc, if you don't like my vote, then you need to say what you don't like about it. I see both Hazard and TS as scummy. After thinking about it for a while, both is unlikely but possible. Hazard's sudden flip on TS struck me that something was wrong.

crazypianist has a good point. So do you think Hazard or TS is lying? I think a town role that steals ingredients is plausible, but also something to look out for given Amrun's PM info.

I feel Hazard is lying. TStown => Hazardscum but I can't say anything about what a Hazard flip means.

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I feel Hazard is lying. TStown => Hazardscum but I can't say anything about what a Hazard flip means.

You can't say anything?

Unvote Vote: Hazard with a Glove

When he flips scum let's lynch TS mmmkay?

But more relevantly,

Who on the TS wagon thinks Hazard is inno?

Took me about 8 hours to realize what inno means. But as I said before:

After thinking about it for a while, both is unlikely but possible.

I'll admit I was hasty to call both of them scumalicious at the time. I've reevaluated my opinions.
Zyrc, if I've understood the mechanic correctly, your assumption that we can prove their role is based on the fact that two candy animals have to volunteer to have their goodies stolen and that scum kills none of the four people (provided killing takes place before stealing). I'm not exactly sure that it's as easy as you think. If they succeed, it doesn't say anything about their alignments (although I would be more likely to believe Hazard is town if he's confirmed visitor).

Rereading.

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why would I attack someone I believe to have the same role as me? If I believed them to be mafia, then sure, but otherwise why would I?

CAUGHT YOU CAUGHT YOU CAUGHT YOU SCUM!!!!

@ Twisted: Any

inkling

of what Hazard's reasons are? Y/N.

how can I?
I don't have his Role PM

2nd quote was made before Hazard claimed.
Not that it deters me from thinking TS is scummy. I'm willing to hammer TS, just because we're winding down, but I still prefer Hazard lynch.

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VOTE: Hazard
See yesterday. He seemed to just latch onto NS's claim that TS was lying.
I just can't see Hazard and TS both town.

Also ts , pleading to use your or tonight is pointless if its the one you claimed because I have it. I could use it instead.

That's like one cop saying to another "Don't use your investigate tonight, I can just use mine."

Hoppster also stole my words about vezok. I'm not seeing the amrun-morthas team either.

I need to not be tired <_<

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So NS, apart from the beginning of the day questioning vezok's "game-breaking" question, attacked only TS for the rest of D1. Today, little has been done in an attempt to defend himself.
Hazard has no scumhunting today. D1 hopped from the ts wagon, to mb53 after zyrc and amrun give cases on mb53, then back to ts.
Vezok has given very little evidence for Morthasscum.

Amrun is in the same scum team. Read yesterday. You'll see what I mean.

I don't think amrun has any connections to Morthas. They are distancing scums.

Doesn't count.

@Zyrc: At the bottom of page 27, Amrun was right. The quote you guys were looking for but didn't find was this:

Actually.

Zoo visitors: Claim who you targeted. If they got stuff the person is confirmed VT.

Which implies asking all zoo visitors to claim.

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Blah, I'm toying the line with getting a prod. I'll post more tomorrow.

@vezok: Your reads?

What's going on with Kalofer?

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Unovte

I'm just not seeing the case for Hazard anymore.

Lots of stuff has happened. Interesting night action descriptions from Kalofer/Hazard and Hoppster. The whole quick topic thing seems consistent with the game in general just because

I do not guarantee that the game will make any sense whatsoever until it is over.

That being said, I have a few questions of everyone.
@ToastyToast I see there's a lot of lurkerdom (myself included) going on at the top of your town list. Is this purely coincidental? Also, your reasoning for voting zyrconium seems to be primarily rooted in yesterday's actions. Has anything happened today that makes him more scummy then yesterday?

@zyrc I know this was a while back, but could you explain it?

Oh, has it not already been stated that vezok should be pretty much constantly ignored?

You people certainly seem good at ignoring people, so I'd assume you could pull that one off.

If it's based on meta, I'd be interested in hearing it as I have some views on vezok that aren't so solid.

I also agree with you about Nobody Special. He's taking a very "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality, which isn't pro-town at all. He's all over the place, and isn't explaining himself well.

Amrun, I'm really liking your probing. It's very pro town.

Hoppster, your claim is interesting, but I don't really like the fact that you can become impervious to anything at night if you so choose to do so for as many nights as you chose. It seems excessively powerful.

Hazard, you've had your night actions fished out of you throughout the day. What's your opinion of Kalofer after all this? Do you feel you got the information you were looking for?

Vezok, I am forever curious of your reasoning.

Will vote after I get a few responses and ask a few more questions.

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VOTE: Stels
Lol quotes cut out of context. I want my vote somewhere, and that was quite obviously the scummiest thing on this page compounded with poor play elsewhere.
I want a response to my question Hazard.
I'll ISO TT soon; I've been getting some scummy vibes from him.
@Hoppster: I hate your sig.

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Oh hey prodded again. I thought I had till this morning, since it hasn't been 3 days since day 3 started.

Hazard with a Glove - Leaning scum
mb53 - Leaning scum
Zyrconium - Town
Hoppster - Leaning Town
Amrun - Town
vezokpiraka - Null
VasudeVa - Not enough info
Morthas - Leaning Town
ToastyToast - Leaning scum

Hoppster's case is good. Granted, he's doing that "Hey everyone look, there's obvscum here" thing, but I'm buying it. It could be motivated by him being mad at hazard not choosing him, but I don't think that's the case.
Mb's vote looks like a lurker taking a stance on a wagon so it looks like he's doing something when he really isn't...
Zyrc looks like he's trying to help town, but I'm not exactly sure how he ended up with a vote on me based on votecounts alone. Assumptions based on how many scum are on a wagon can lead you down a path to tunneling.
Toasty is more of a gut read. I'm not as confident with this one.


Morthas, you feel like you can actually get an answer out of vezok?

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The circular logic is quite scummy.
I'm rereading D2 and 3 and I'll probably come out of this with a vote on Hazard.

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OK sorry I haven't been around and didn't keep my last post's promise. Easter took up a lot of time and now schoolwork is starting to skyrocket. I've just read Hazard's last post and honestly I don't think he's scum.
VOTE: vezokpiraka

Morthas case is useless, and he's trying to push for a lynch just to end the day. I don't want him in LyLo either (feel free to use that reasoning against me as well ).

I'll try reading through more tonight.

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I see I've garnered some attention. I'll make it simple, vezok's pointless morthas vote without followup, his appearance of apathy to who is lynched, as well as some earlier things from d1/2 led me to vote for him.

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You bet I did!

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But your reasons for voting him mostly come from things he did before you posted that.

correct again!

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Candy animal, wizard lizard. No special abilities.

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Having a fun read, Pine?

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Lol.