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smargaret and Bub's tunneling on Kairyuu's non-random vote seems a bit over the top.
Not at all. I know it's too early for someone to have a guilty, but if Kairyuu knows something about Anti's meta that we don't, let him see what he can gander.smargaret wrote:Not sharing the reasoning is at least anti-town.
Your insistence of this isn't boding well with me.
Your race/class wouldn't have given that away.Sathoris wrote:Besides my role is linked to my race/class so public claiming could give scum ideas.
This statement probably gave them ideas on who to target now.
This. Exactly.Battousai wrote:If you were against the mass claim, then why didn't you just say that instead of the second quote and a vote on Reck for claiming?
What's with these people (Sathoris and ender) stating things about their roles? Are you trying to make yourselves targets?
Gnomes can't be pallies.Enigma wrote:I'm a gnome ret pally (with pink hair obvs).
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Scum caught by page 3. I like it.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm voting you because gnomes can't be pallies.Enigma wrote:Voting me cos I'm:
a) A gnome
b) A gnome with pink hair
c) A palli
d) A ret palli
e) All of the above
f) None of the above
PS: Do girls play wow or are you a guy pretending to be a girl? If former fb me plx. kthxbai.
Gnome - WoWWiki
Educate yourself.
I am a chick and I've been playing WoW since the game released. I have an 85 warrior and 85 priest that I've played since vanilla, as well as an 85 shaman.
I believe him to have a town PM, especially since he claimed quite a bit before you.Enigma wrote:If you had a town pm instead of a scum pm (i doubt you get a race/class combination as defias.....) you would know that you don't get a spec in the pm, just race and class. So if that isn't obvious enough for you that it's obviously a joke, then you probably are scum.
Reck, Post 37...xRECKONERx wrote:Actually I don't see the harm in race/class claiming.
Undead Roguehere. fucking awesome because I love my undead rogue.
Wrong, you're on Page 4.Enigma wrote:Yay scum caught and it's still page 3!
Enigma's actions to derail the massclaim and then continue to just be all over the place is rather anti-town.
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I have no reason not to believe him.Enigma wrote:Why are you so eager/gullible to believe his claim?
He didn't direct attention away from the massclaim with a supposed fakeclaim or just cause mass confusion like you did.
How so?Enigma wrote:It's a complete WIFOMy waste of time, and in no way benefits town.
Nope, he's easily my best friend on this site and I can get a damn good read of him. So far, he's town.Enigma wrote:Are you scum with Reck?
My thoughts exactly.Maemuki wrote:Why did you claim that if you knew that everybody was going to attack you instead of, you know, saying why the claiming was bad? Because I really can't understand it.
Thank you.
1 & 2 are okay.Enigma wrote:3. It gets us out of RVS and into some real discussion pronto.
4. I didn't think scum would overreact so badly. It was meant to be a joke of sorts .. plus I like gnomes.
3 - We were already onto some real discussion.
4 - No overreaction. Two people who play WoW know that Gnome Pallies don't exist. Stop trying to discredit.
ender - actual thoughts would be productive. kthnx!<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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A few.
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Some type of content from you would be superb.danakillsu wrote:Well, I'm here, and the only unfortunate thing about yesterday is that it was so short, we practically have to start over. Catching scum D1, though, is awesome.
Again....CONTENT per favore, por favor and please.danakillsu wrote:
Yes. I agree. SURPRISINGLY solid reads. I'm not so convinced we should be lynching Bub immediately.Kairyuu wrote:Surprisingly solid reads from such a short Day 1. Scum lynch helps.
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Why would you pick Sathoris when there's a claim on him being town?Bub Bidderskins wrote:Okay, restarting the popcorn claim.
Claim: Draenei Shaman
Sathoris, you claim next.
Unless you are trying to rolefish.
This post right here...Bub Bidderskins wrote:What makes you think that Sathoris is town?
Parama wrote:I got a one-shot cop last night, and Sathoris isn't a Defias.
Don't have it anymore so it's worth claiming.
Not confirmed sane but whatever.
Starbuck is that a list of impossible combos?
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I think you are good for now and there are others who need to claim before you.Sathoris wrote:Well I don't mind claiming now. I sort of acted the way I did for a reason which I will explain when I'll claim. When's up to you guys if you want.
Does anyone have a list of who has and hasn't claimed?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm town, Reckz.
Dana can definitely just be trying to float along, but seriously, it's not like he replaced into a large theme with 30 people on Day 4. He has to read what? 7 pages? I'm also intrigued by dana trying to splash more suspicion onto Bub when he's guilty of the exact same thing. Although, Bub's complete lack of reading as to how we got the Sathoris semi-town read has thrown me off.
I think I missed that smargaret post when I was doing my catch up as well. Smargaret has one thing going for her that the others don't and that's being on Enigma's lynch, but that can also be null. Her quick jump onto the Bub wagon bothers me as well as her almost deliberate suggestion of suspicion of Mae yesterday (when she asked Mae why she wasn't voting for Enigma when Mae was the first to do so).
I'm more inclined to believe that Parama got a one shot cop than smargaret got a one shot track.
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It feels like smargaret just pulled it out of thin air. I already have a bad feeling about her from yesterday. I also have a town read on Parama.xRECKONERx wrote:
Why?Starbuck wrote:I'm more inclined to believe that Parama got a one shot cop than smargaret got a one shot track.
I could be completely off too and maybe they did both have night abilities.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Better question, why wouldn't they? Wouldn't they want to gain credibility?smargaret wrote:1. Why would scum clear two townies?
How so?smargaret wrote:Kairyuu didn't visit anyone. Hence, he's likely town.
You've never read or playing with him and have no sense on how to read him, but he was your strongest scum read? How does this work?smargaret wrote:I tracked Kairyuu because I've neither read nor played with him before and thus have no sense of how to read him, and because he was my strongest scum read still living at the end of Day 1.
I don't get how you can switch so quickly from "ZOMGSCUM" to "OHHAITOWN".
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All she did was claim that she tracked Kai, but not her result, as he states here...xRECKONERx wrote:@Starbuck: What bothers me is that you seem to just immediately believe the one-shot cop claim over the one-shot tracker claim, whereas I saw no difference in HOW they both claimed. There very well be a role out there that can give out two abilities per night, or there may be a mechanic (like a loot/drop system when a scum dies?) that automatically "rolls" for one-shot abilities. /speculation
In either case, I don't like how Starbuck arbitrarily distinguished between one claim and the other with no real reason to do so. Still liking my vote on dana, though, because he has yet to do anything to assuage my suspicions/disdain for his posts.
Parama came right out and said one-shot cop and that Sathoris isn't Defias.Kairyuu wrote:@smargaret: Claim your result please. I'd like to hear that before I make any more comments.
She finally tells us and she thinks he's town because he didn't visit anyone, not because of a read. She's backtracking hardcore and I'm not liking it much.
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How about just a general catch up post and some opinion on things other than Bub?danakillsu wrote:WTF are you talking about? Did you even read my last post at all? I'M TRYING TO SHOW THAT BUB IS NOT OBVSCUM. I'm not guilty of the exact same thing at all, though. Everyone is just trying to look at my posts and say "oh, that doesn't really look like content, lolololololol". In like 1/5th of the time that Bub has had to provide content, I've given you at least twice as much to work with.
I find you both at the same level with lack of content.
And now that I read that over, you were real quick to come to his defense. I do disagree with the fact that you think that you aren't guilty of the exact same thing. It's a tad bit hypocritical, dontcha think?
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smargaret wrote:Starbuck: There is a difference between "my strongest scumread" and "a strong scumread". I've stated before that Day 1 was too short to build any really concrete reads. I went with what I had.
Also, I openly said that I was leaving it up to Kairyuu whether I revealed my result or not. I don't like to reveal things about others' roles without their permission, and as soon as he said it was okay, I revealed the result. You're blowing things out of proportion and stretching to get a case on me, and then you don't even vote me? Instead you wagon someone for active lurking?
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VOTE: Starbuck
You realize that I unvoted you, right?
Now, who's blowing things out of proportion?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Absolutely not, I read over dana and I don't like what I read at all.
When I first read it, I got a feeling of him trying to be hypocritical, and then when I re-read, I got the feeling of him defending Bub. The defense of Bub makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would he defend Bub unless Bub is his scum buddy?
Hence in my list of scum, he rose to higher scum level than you and thus, I unvoted you and voted him.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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On my scale, she falls in the null.Antihero wrote:
You're focused on the mistake and missing the part where Mae is kind of scummy.Starbuck wrote:This is the second time this game you've made a mistake like that. First with assuming Mae wasn't voting for Enigma and now assuming that I was voting for Bub.
What about her is scummy? Got a case? Other than parroting dana?
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This was my question exactly. It didn't make any sense to me.Kairyuu wrote:This is self-contradictory. If you didn't know how to read me, then how did you have a scum read of me?
Kairyuu wrote:Aaaand then she up and votes dana over something silly. Reeallly not making it easy to read you here.
It may just be the way she's reading to me. I know that I've been told that I'm scummy when I'm town, so maybe that's how I'm reading her.Kairyuu wrote:The following exchange between Starbuck and smargaret pretty much confirms it for me. Looking at the two side by side, smargaret seems very sincere, if a bit overzealous (marked by several instances of getting facts wrong, which is definitely a town tell in my book), while Starbuck seems to be pushing way too hard on the things that I'm reading as town tells. I gotta say, I'm going to trust my gut on this one and move smargaret up my list, and Starbuck down it.
For now, I am trusting in my town reads because they have a town read on smargaret.
Doesn't mean I'm not keeping my eye on her though.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Not at all. I wanted to hear a case about Mae from you.Antihero wrote:OK, first off, this gem really pissed me off, and I've had to wait all night to call Starbuck on it.
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On my scale, she falls in the null.Antihero wrote:
You're focused on the mistake and missing the part where Mae is kind of scummy.Starbuck wrote:This is the second time this game you've made a mistake like that. First with assuming Mae wasn't voting for Enigma and now assuming that I was voting for Bub.
What about her is scummy? Got a case? Other than parroting dana?
So, did you just not read the thread, or did you ask this question to make me look scummy?Me before dana said anything about Mae wrote:The misrep of dana plus the hemming and hawing on a vote plus the lack of meaningful commentary on anyone besides dana is getting you off to a good start on a scumread.
Now that dana (who I felt was scummy) flipped town, I'm looking at Mae in a different light. Hence, why I investigated her over smargaret.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Which question? I'm sorry, I had read your posts but I didn't see a question posed to me.Kairyuu wrote:
Nope. Ninja-ed. Rogues can try, but burst in pvp isn't enough at level cap, and instant cast, no mana, 20k self-heals are usually enough to outlast them.Starbuck wrote:
Don't you mean rogue-d? =PKairyuu wrote:FUCKING HELL PEOPLE. I WANT TO POST WITHOUT BEING NINJA-ED SEVENTY TRILLION TIMES.
Now answer my question before I vote you on principle.
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Where did I say that it affected my read on you?smargaret wrote:Starbuck, why does your read on Dana being wrong affect your read on me? Why did you vote Maemuki based on a no result?
And your second question is answered. There was a lag because I was still in PMs with the mod trying to verify whether it was a no result or a block.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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No, your relative position did not move and No, I didn't mistype names.smargaret wrote:
It doesn't explicitly state that your read on me changed, but my relative position on your town/scum list moved, and the question stands if you put Mae's name in for mine.Starbuck wrote:
Now that dana (who I felt was scummy) flipped town, I'm looking at Mae in a different light. Hence, why I investigated her over smargaret.
And I noted by striking that my final question had been answered. However, you're still dodging the question of why you would vote Mae over a no result cop investigation.
Why are you blatantly misrepresenting me?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I do feel her claim is overpowered, and also, the fact that I investigated her and was blocked made me throw some added suspicion on her that I shouldn't.smargaret wrote:Okay, so the only justification you've provided for voting Mae is a cop investigation that doesn't say anything at all about her alignment. If it's not the results of your investigation, why are you voting her?
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Not lying, Will.xRECKONERx wrote:Of course, three VTs have already flipped.
This claim could be two kinds of fake: one is that she actually is a town PR and wants to avoid getting roleblocked or shot, and the other is she's scum fakeclaiming.
I'll be using my vig on Starbuck tonight. Starbuck, if you're lying, you best claim so NOW.
You know my VT play is usually scummy.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Because of the number of games we've been in together and the fact that last I knew you could read me like a book.xRECKONERx wrote:
Why would I know this.Starbuck wrote:
Not lying, Will.xRECKONERx wrote:Of course, three VTs have already flipped.
This claim could be two kinds of fake: one is that she actually is a town PR and wants to avoid getting roleblocked or shot, and the other is she's scum fakeclaiming.
I'll be using my vig on Starbuck tonight. Starbuck, if you're lying, you best claim so NOW.
You know my VT play is usually scummy.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Mod: I unvoted Mae in this post. Apologies, I should have put it on a separate line.
And tighter deadlines? We lynched in 3 real days on Day 1, and 4 real days on Day 2. For MS, that's pretty damn quick.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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More misrepresentation.smargaret wrote:So, when you said your vote for her was because her claim was overpowered, you were backpedaling. And then when you start catching heat for it, you unvote, but if you really believed she was overpowered WHY UNVOTE?
Please quote where I said my vote on her was FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Also, I went back to re-read from the start of day and did realize (after it was pointed out) that I was linking the block to her unfairly.
You have made plenty of mistakes over the past few days and have admitted to them. How come when I do the same (make a mistake and admit to it), you act the complete opposite?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Again, quote where I said that I voted her SOLEY FOR THAT REASON.smargaret wrote:Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?
You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.
You CAN'T.
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.
God, I feel like Fate.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I feel she's overpowered. Typically in Minis, Doc's can't protect themselves too. Unless, I read that wrong and she has to either target herself or someone else.Kairyuu wrote:@Starbuck: It might be because it took several pages of TWO PEOPLE asking you the same damn question to get a straight answer out of you, and that answer was "oops, I messed up, let me reread." In smargaret's case she either caught her own mistakes shortly after making them, or a single comment was enough to get her to realize it.
Also, you're playing on technicalities again, and it's really bothering me. Post 304. Read it. TELL ME HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INTERPRETED.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Can't provide evidence AGAIN.smargaret wrote:
Semantics. Again.Starbuck wrote:
Again, quote where I said that I voted her SOLEY FOR THAT REASON.smargaret wrote:Starbuck, if it wasn't FULLY BECAUSE she was overpowered, why did you only list that as your reason, and even more so why did you unvote?
You're claiming misrepresentation when it isn't there as an excuse to get out of answering my questions.
You CAN'T.
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG.
God, I feel like Fate.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Oh, I see wtf you are talking about now. This right?Kairyuu wrote:OOIJOKDDOQIJWDOWHODUHQWIHQWIHDWIQHDIUQWHDIUQWHIDQWHDIQWHIDQWIUDHQWIHDIUQWH
That is all.
I'm done with this argument. I will be awaiting Parama's indication that he's heard from the mod and will revote once that happens. I don't feel like watching Starbuck ignore the fact that I'm arguing the exact same thing as smargaret, but only replying to smargarets posts, since mine are the ones with the evidence that she claims to want.
My question is in reply about the block. The second sentence was an addition after she claimed, just like in the below quote.Starbuck wrote:
Why does it not make Mae scum?Kairyuu wrote:Ok. Nothing changes about my question. Why. Does. That. Make. Mae. Scum?
I get the whole priest bubble thing, but to be able to protect people and protect herself seems a bit overpowered.
Although, I'm pretty sure you and smargaret are going to rip me to shreds some more over this now. I thought I was clearer. My bad, the pages are moving too damn fast.Starbuck wrote:
I do feel her claim is overpowered, and also, the fact that I investigated her and was blocked made me throw some added suspicion on her that I shouldn't.smargaret wrote:Okay, so the only justification you've provided for voting Mae is a cop investigation that doesn't say anything at all about her alignment. If it's not the results of your investigation, why are you voting her?
I'm gonnaUnvotefor now. I need to do some re-reading.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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After going through your Wiki, here's what games I was in with you...xRECKONERx wrote:Anyway, Starbuck, I'm very interested in which games we've played together where I should "know how you play as a VT", because I'm not thinking of any.
I was the Bulletsmith in Psychosniper's Save the Mafia.
I was the Town Backup in Kise's Owarai TV.
I think you replaced in after I was dead in Dollhouse mafia, but I was a VT there.
I was a VT in Hayl's Glitch in Time.
I was a VT in Seraphim's Empire at War.
I was the Doctor in Max's Perfectionist Mafia.
I was a Vig in farside's Zombies.
I was Kmd (the vote gambler) in dramonic's Scummers Mafia. (Btw, when is dram doing part 2?)
I thought I was VT in more games with you than that.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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