There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

Agree on last three.

Not sure on first.

But if you tell me friend is town.

I will laugh. And not move my vote.

[Parama]

Confid is not town.

[Slaxx]

VC 1.04

Not Voting

: Wraith, Jerbs, evilpacman18

C-worl (3)

: [winger], Pine, Empking

Friend (3)

: GreyICE, silverbullet999, C-worl

Pine (2)

: TwoHeadedBoy, DLG

Jerbs

: Antihero

Wraith

: ConfidAnon

ConfidAnon (2)

: nhammen, Parama

[winger]

: Diddin

silverbullet999(2)

: AGar, Friend

DLG

: Calcifer

Deadline is in 11 days, 11 hours.
19 alive, 10 to lynch.

[Calcifer]

SCUM
Antihero (Previously Cookie_Of_Death)
DLG
Friend
[winger]
TwoHeadedBoy (InflatablePie+Fugitive)

CONFIRMED TOWN:
Pine

TOWN:
Parama
Empking
diddin
AGar
ConfidAnon (Yes. He is.)
Jerbs
Wraith
GreyICE
nhammen
C-worl
evilpacman18
silverbullet999

We got this game. Let's lynch these scumbags. Doesn't matter what the order is.

[Wraith]

If you people say Wraith always acts like this, I guess I can get back on silverbullet.

unvote, vote: silverbullet999

Silverbullet, he's asking questions that people have already asked, he's being vague about the Pine wagon, and he's slightly rolefishing.

Friend, when I'm town I both want to know things, and am honest about what I want to know. I often have a very hard time believing "X is confirmed town" ultimatums without evidence pertaining to a claim by either X or the person who says X is confirmed. As much as I hate outing PRs (and this smells like a PR softclaim) I'm not just going to take Calcifer's word for it.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'm confused as to why Calcifer is buddying Pine so hard. The rest of his reads confuse me as well... I have a null on [winger], leaning town on Friend, and leaning scum on Jerbs and C-Worl.

@Calc, you can attempt to get me lynched all you want, but I'm not budging on my vote just because you have a strong gut read. So nyeh.

Yeah, because I'm the one that got pissed that people suddenly started changing their votes just because Mastah Calcifer said so, that makes me scum. Honestly, you people are sheep.

Ya know, at this point I'm pretty sure all mighty Calcifer would derail any of my other scumspects so whatevs.

Vote: Friend

...although this really makes me want to change my vote back to C-Worl again.

~Pie

[Wraith]

Okay, Calcifer, are these reads based on READS, or on PR information from a Night 0? I'm not following your bloody lead mindlessly without some real evidence.

[Pine]

Now who's rolefishing, Wraith?

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

[Slaxx]

nhammen has been prodded.

[Calcifer]

You people never learn, do you?

Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.

Unvote, Vote: Friend

. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.

[Wraith]

You people never learn, do you?

Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.

Unvote, Vote: Friend

. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.

But

why

is there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.

Convince me

[GreyICE]

Now who's rolefishing, Wraith?

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

Why would I care to defend you?

Don't like the wagon. Votes are better served sitting on Friend. [winger] is a very acceptable second choice.

[GreyICE]

You people never learn, do you?

Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.

Unvote, Vote: Friend

. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.

But

why

is there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.

Convince me

All such statements are true until at least day 2. And usually day 3.

[Wraith]

You people never learn, do you?

Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.

Unvote, Vote: Friend

. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.

But

why

is there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.

Convince me

All such statements are true until at least day 2. And usually day 3.

What? You're being cryptic here: do you mean "PR fakeclaims are revealed eventually" or something else?

[GreyICE]

I mean that the time to question outside information that may or may not come from power roles is usually day 3.

All sorts of roles that can confirm someone town. Easiest is friendly townie - you get to send a "wave" to someone that tells them your rolename and alignment. Many more. And it could just be a strong read.

But I agree with it. And it's not the time to question it.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Wraith seems like he needs one of these:

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

You know, if it wasn't for the fact that scum wouldn't obviously defend their mates so damn hard even on D1 (thus [Calc or Grey] + [Pine] are unlikely as a scumteam), this would really seem suspicious... Actually, this post reads weird to me even

with

that in mind. Seems... artificial. Do not like.

Grey is just being weird this game. Like in 264, for example. Not scummy, just weird. Opinion on Jerbs, Grey? Since we don't seem to share the same reads on scum otherwise and you haven't mentioned him (I don't think).

~Pie

[Pine]

...scum wouldn't obviously defend their mates so damn hard even on D1...

Eh, you have a point. I'm not used to people defending me, makes me feel like I'm someone's kid brother or something. It's annoying.

[Friend]

I kind of want you guys to lynch me to prove that Calcifer is not really all that smart or good or all-knowing. Same with Ice. This game has already gone to shit.

[GreyICE]

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

You know, if it wasn't for the fact that scum wouldn't obviously defend their mates so damn hard even on D1 (thus [Calc or Grey] + [Pine] are unlikely as a scumteam), this would really seem suspicious... Actually, this post reads weird to me even

with

that in mind. Seems... artificial. Do not like.

Grey is just being weird this game. Like in 264, for example. Not scummy, just weird. Opinion on Jerbs, Grey? Since we don't seem to share the same reads on scum otherwise and you haven't mentioned him (I don't think).

~Pie

LOL @ the wraith picture.

Anyway, last time I gave a read on Jerbs, it was null. Hasn't changed. It's just too little to work with. At some point the lurking stops becoming null and starts becoming scummy, but we're short of that.

[[winger]]

diddin's vote on me is scummy, IMO. He showed up, didn't say much about the main wagons, and put a relatively safe, unquestioned vote on me. It'd be quite easy for him to leave it there the rest of the day and avoid commenting on any of the main wagons.

Vote: diddin

Let's hear what you have to say.

[silverbullet999]

I kind of want you guys to lynch me to prove that Calcifer is not really all that smart or good or all-knowing. Same with Ice. This game has already gone to shit.

Frustrated scum much?

[diddin]

Ya know, at this point I'm pretty sure all mighty Calcifer would derail any of my other scumspects so whatevs.

Vote: Friend

This is the second time C-Worl even mentioned Friend. The first was pretty much just calling him rude. C has never called Friend scummy. The frustrated AtE is also noticeable.

Now who's rolefishing, Wraith?

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

CAUTION. DISTANCING ALERT, LEVEL

ORANGE

.

I kind of want you guys to lynch me to prove that Calcifer is not really all that smart or good or all-knowing. Same with Ice. This game has already gone to shit.

umad?

diddin's vote on me is scummy, IMO. He showed up, didn't say much about the main wagons, and put a relatively safe, unquestioned vote on me. It'd be quite easy for him to leave it there the rest of the day and avoid commenting on any of the main wagons.

Vote: diddin

Looks like disguised OMGUS to me.

I don't really see how people are calling Friend opportunistic. He voted Confid when pretty much everyone was on Pine/someone else, and started the silverbullet wagon. He was never on Pine so he can't be on "every potential wagon" like Calc said.

[diddin]

Ya know, at this point I'm pretty sure all mighty Calcifer would derail any of my other scumspects so whatevs.

Vote: Friend

This is the second time C-Worl even mentioned Friend. The first was pretty much just calling him rude. C has never called Friend scummy. The frustrated AtE is also noticeable.

Now who's rolefishing, Wraith?

Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.

CAUTION. DISTANCING ALERT, LEVEL

ORANGE

.

I kind of want you guys to lynch me to prove that Calcifer is not really all that smart or good or all-knowing. Same with Ice. This game has already gone to shit.

umad?

diddin's vote on me is scummy, IMO. He showed up, didn't say much about the main wagons, and put a relatively safe, unquestioned vote on me. It'd be quite easy for him to leave it there the rest of the day and avoid commenting on any of the main wagons.

Vote: diddin

Looks like disguised OMGUS to me.

I don't really see how people are calling Friend opportunistic. He voted Confid when pretty much everyone was on Pine/someone else, and started the silverbullet wagon. He was never on Pine so he can't be on "every potential wagon" like Calc said.

Quote fail.

Unvote Vote: winger

in case that selfvote is counted.

[Jerbs]

the coloring in my earlier post meant what I wrote in response.

I say we let Pine live today, as Calcifer seems so sure he's town.

I kind of want you guys to lynch me to prove that Calcifer is not really all that smart or good or all-knowing. Same with Ice. This game has already gone to shit.

What was the point of this?

[Friend]

Because being wagoned for something I don't understand is frustrating as all hell, especially when there's so many more scummy people around me.