Mini 1139 - Monastery Mafia

[Crazy]

Hey guys. I was wondering if we'd be forced to have two-words-per-post restrictions. I guess not.

Small games FTW!

Vote: Krazy

for being Krazier than me.

[Crazy]

^I take it you two have the 2-word post restriction?

[Crazy]

Hmm, that's interesting.

So I'm guessing that Klazam and Krazy have mod-confirmed information that there are only 2 people in the game with their post restriction? If so, then yeah, that does point to Nikola scum. This seems solid, unless if there's something I'm totally missing. It doesn't make very much sense as a Klazam/Krazy scum gambit, since if Nikola flipped town, then they'd be pretty much obvscum.

Does anyone else have the restriction? I can see clearly that Percy, Exe, and I

don't

have it. What about ABR/Vittorio?

[Crazy]

Oh, and

Unvote

.

[Crazy]

Percy - I knew about it from this:

http://67.222.17.61/archive/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1787

[Crazy]

@Krazy: Two words? Or two people?

Vote: Crazy

Too much meaningless fluff.

Lol, if we're on Page 2, and 2 people claim to have mod-confirmed information that reveals who the scum are, what do you expect me to talk about?

The first thing I want to know is if Vittorio has the restriction or not, since he's the only one not to post. I'd be surprised if he did have it, but we need to know for sure.

Frankly, it's hard to imagine that scum-team being anything other than ABR/Nikola or Klazam/Krazy. Anything else would mean that either Krazy/Klazam are lying about their information, a townie is faking a post restriction, or the mod lied to Krazy/Klazam. If any of those are true, then someone needs to fess up now.

If Vittorio doesn't have a post restriction, I'd be up for lynching Nikola. If he's scum, then lynch ABR. If Nikola is town, then Klazam/Krazy must be the scum-team. Right?

If I'm making sense here, I believe we have a foolproof plan to win. If someone disagrees with me, then feel free to correct me on this.

[Crazy]

I think mafia were told that two people have got

Posting so Nikola can continue his sentence.

[Crazy]

So... Nikola, you think Krazy and Klazam are the scum, or am I misinterpreting you?

[Crazy]

Continue.

[Crazy]

Looks like Nikola is telling the truth now, at least about his post restriction. I guess he still could be

scum

with a post-restriction, but it seems his restriction is at least genuine.

On Page 1:

Broken nose?

Yeah, obviously.

Klazam, did your Role PM say anything about broken noses?

Nikola, did your Role PM say anything about the number of people with a post restriction, like Krazy/Klazam are saying theirs did?

ABR, what is the reasoning behind your post restriction?

[Crazy]

Then why would you say "Yeah, obviously" when Nikola asked if you had a broken nose?

(Hopefully, that doesn't take too long to answer. I'll post in between your posts so it won't take forever.)

[Crazy]

Okay.

[Crazy]

Okay.

[Crazy]

Okay.

[Crazy]

Okay.

[Crazy]

Oh, I'm sorry, I just realized you're trying to say you didn't understand my question (I think.) I guess my brain is working slow.

My point was that since you said "Yeah, obviously" when Nikola asked if you had a broken nose, it seemed like you knew that having a broken nose meant a post restriction. But you told me nothing in your role PM said anything about a broken nose.

[Crazy]

Your PM said that two townies were "mute monks" and had a post restriction where they could only post two words at a time. Correct, or was there more?

When Nikola asked if you had a broken nose on Page 1, did you know that he was talking about a post restriction?

Have your first word be a "yes" or "no" to the first question and your second word be a "yes" or "no" to the second question. I gotta leave now, sorry.

[Crazy]

Actually, thinking it over again, Krazy/Klazam either have to be town together or scum together, and the latter really isn't a feasible option at all. Looks like I was going down the wrong path with my last line of questioning.

I don't think Nikola is faking his post restriction either. After seeing his claim, his early "broken nose" post confirms that he almost definitely wasn't lying about his restriction. I really doubt scum would come up with the broken nose thing out of the blue. That's not to say he's confirmed town, of course, just that he's not lying about his post restriction like Krazy/Klazam were saying.

[Crazy]

Dang, I'm an idiot. I just realized that ABR "stopped" having a post restriction a couple posts ago.

Vote: ABR

I hope you have a good explanation for that.

[Crazy]

So were your first couple posts 2 words long just by coincidence? Or were you trying to act as if you had a post restriction? If the latter, then why?

[Crazy]

Exe, since you're one of the people that

can

talk, would you mind actually using that ability? Seriously, the people that can only post 2 words at a time have still been more useful than you've been.

The only reason my vote is

not

on you is because for some reason ABR decided to fake a post restriction.

[Crazy]

ABR, what's your excuse for faking a post restriction?

[Crazy]

ABR, what's your excuse for faking a post restriction?

I see you posted a bunch of times in your other game; why not here?

This game is seriously not hard to keep up with at all.

[Crazy]

You put me at L-1? Why?

@ABR - Does your role PM confirm Vittorio as town?

[Crazy]

Krazy/Klazam are confirmed. ABR is basically confirmed now, too, although his faking a post restriction was still ridiculous. The only way he could be scum is if Vittorio is his partner, but I don't see that as terribly likely.

I do think Nikola definitely does have a post-restriction, since he came up with the "broken nose" thing out of nowhere. He could be scum, but I kind of doubt it, since it almost seems like his role was put in the game to be Day 1 lynch fodder.

Vittorio could be scum pulling a gambit, but again, that doesn't seem terribly likely.

Process of elimination (since I know I'm town) leads to Percy/Exe being the scum-team.

UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: Exe

[Crazy]

Crazy, can you briefly just run through why/how Krazy and Klazam are confirmed. As I said, I am lost through that series of two-word posts.

They both claimed to be "mostly mute" monks that knew that there were exactly TWO "mostly mute" monks in the game and that they were both pro-town.

(Krazy/Klazam, correct me if my interpretation of your posts is wrong.)

[Crazy]

That wagon went surprisingly fast, but I don't really mind.

Yeah, Exe, you go the whole game without saying crap worth anything but as soon as I pressure you on it, you chime in and make a big case against Vittorio. I just don't buy it. All you did before then was make a vote against me for reasons that don't make sense at all.

Before you accuse Percy of lurking, check your facts. He went 5 days without posting AT ALL on site, and that includes the game he's currently modding. His lurking obviously wasn't strategic.

The 3 post-restricted players have differently flavoured role PMs; we've been through this. Only Krazy and Klazam are confirmed. Nikola isn't confirmed town, but if he's scum, it's not because of his post restriction.

Vittorio, what is your response to Exe's case on you?

Vittorio, could you respond to Exe's case on you?

[Crazy]

Oops, lol at me asking the same question twice.

[Crazy]

Umm look at timestamps.

Your case on me came while I was posting the Vitto case.

Eh, fair enough, I didn't notice that. I still have a strong gut feeling you're scum, even the way you're reacting now, it's like you're throwing straws everywhere, on me, on ABR, on Vittorio, on Percy, and on the "only one person can be post-restricted" thing again.

If you're town, I'll be fine with lynching Vittorio tomorrow, since if you're town, then the most likely options from my perspective are either Vitto/ABR or Vitto/Percy. I don't think you're town, though.

***

My condolences, Percy. It sounds like you're real life needs you right now.

[Crazy]

What does that mean, Exe? That ABR is scum and me, Nikola, and Vittorio are town?

But UNVOTE: Exe for now.

Obviously, that's an easy scum-claim since the only way to ever confirm yourself is if you die. But then again, I don't like to lynch claimed power roles Day 1, since if you're town and you protect somebody successfully, then that will help us because you die instead of someone that's obv-town. If you're scum, there's really no reason to lynch you today over tomorrow.

I think VOTE: Vittorio is a better option today, since he already claimed vanilla.

Whether it was bussing as ABR said or not, you actually do have a point about Vittorio's original reaction to ABR's claim.

Rampage, how do we know you speak the truth?

What is a saint manuscript? Or the saint what manuscript? I'm still lost.

Both of these quotes were posted after ABR's claim but before Vittorio posted his. Certainly not the reaction I'd expect from someone who knew ABR to be town.


What do you think, ABR?

[Crazy]

My first question in that post was referring to this:

Nothing like having 3 free townie votes to follow you on your terribad mislynch wagons.

[Crazy]

P-edit: Go figure, Crazy sees the gambit but doesn't have the cohones to actually call Vitto out on it.
Plus, obvious OMGUS is obvious. Crazy-Vitto scum-team is go.

So I guess 2 townie votes, since I don't believe that you [Crazy] and Vitto would be scum together.

Is this change just because I voted Vitto?

[Crazy]

Vitto is town. Seriously, unvotes are needed here. If Krazy can explain the bit about #14, I don't have anything against him.
But I do want to hear from both how the other (Klazam and ABR) is confirmed in their role and Krazy to confirm or deny it. Rephrase and sent it over to the mod for confirmation if you must.
Confirming these four is top priority.

I think you mixed up a couple of the names or something. It's not Klazam/ABR that are confirmed to each other; it's Klazam/Krazy. ABR isn't confirmed, but the only way he could be scum is if Vittorio was his partner. Vittorio isn't confirmed at all, since ABR's role PM says nothing about having a "keeper." Why do you say Vittorio is confirmed?

[Crazy]

Posting so Klazam can finish his sentence.

[Crazy]

I don't think me flavorclaiming at this time will help the town.

[Crazy]

Pim, do you think Nikola is faking his post restriction, then?

[Crazy]

The Nikola wagon sucks. Bad logic =/= scum, and there's no way he's faking his post restriction - no scum would come up with the "broken nose" thing out of nowhere.

Exe

is

scummy, but I'm always against lynching claimed power roles on Day 1.

Vittorio still hasn't responded to Exe's case on him.

[Crazy]

Why not Vittorio? I'd rather not force another role claim out today, and he claimed Vanilla.

If you're dead set against Vittorio, though, I'd still prefer Pim to Nikola. Or myself, for that matter.

[Crazy]

My bad, I keep forgetting that I need to be more direct.

How certain are you that Vittorio is town? Percentage or whatever.

[Crazy]

I dunno, I do feel that Exe brought up a good point when he mentioned this post by Vittorio...

What is a saint manuscript? Or the saint what manuscript? I'm still lost.

And even this one, too:

Rampage, how do we know you speak the truth?

I don't particularly care about the rest of Exe's case, but this is a decent enough point that needs more focus on it.

Albert, you said you thought Exe was bussing Vittorio. If you still think that, are you in support of a Vittorio lynch?

[Crazy]

Albert, you said you thought Exe was bussing Vittorio. If you still think that, are you in support of a Vittorio lynch?

I want to lynch Exe. Vittorio tomorrow.

I'd probably lynch Exe if he hadn't claimed a power role. If Exe is town, there's a small chance that he might protect someone that needed it and then die in their place. Exe dying instead of some obv-town person = good.

[Crazy]

It is when 'bad logic' tries to take down possibly confirmed players. Other than that, process of elimination.

Krazy still needs to paraphrase what his claimed role says about the same role being town (Not taking 'see post ...' as answer). And he now also needs to explain why it's only now that he uses Percy's 'lurking' as scummy.

Lol at the irony there. You're accusing Nikola of trying to take down "possibly confirmed players" (whatever the heck that means), when you're beating the dead horse with the Krazy thing. Think about it - if Klazam says there are two mostly mute monks, and Krazy is the only other player to claim that, then doesn't that tell you something?

Looking back, Nikola's logic

does

actually make sense in context, with the limited information available at that time. He said his "I think mafia were told that two people have broken noses" thing before Klazam said he was a "mostly mute monk." So he thought that ONE of Krazy/Klazam was scum, which would make sense THEN.

I'm not voting for Nikola today - I have no reason to believe he is scum. I'm not voting for Krazy or Klazam today. I'm not voting for Albert today, because there's no point in lynching him until Vittorio has already flipped scum. I'm not voting for Exe today because he claimed a power role. If neither you nor Krazy/Klazam will help me lynch Vittorio, then I'll be forced to vote for

you

since there's simply no one else to vote for!

You're scummy enough, trying to go for the Nikola wagon without much basis at all. And the fact that you completely blew off the Vittorio wagon makes me think you're likely his partner. Or it could be you/Exe, like I originally thought.

Would I rather lynch Vittorio today? Yes, because his scumminess is more apparent and obvious than yours. But if 3 people are completely refusing to vote for him, then I have little choice in the matter.

[Crazy]

I'm actually finding myself agreeing with Exe, what do you know?

Pim, what's your claim?

[Crazy]

I'm almost bored enough to do that, but I'll wait a little longer for a claim.

[Crazy]

Posting just in case the "..." meant you had something more to say.

But yes, definitely claim first.

[Crazy]

Apparently I'm a triple-voter and Klazam/Krazy/Albert/Exe only have half a vote each.

Still waiting for a claim...

[Crazy]

Vitto already claimed. It will suit us well if you claim before you read.

[Crazy]

Uh, I was trying to get you to claim

before

you read so I'd see if your claim matched Vittorio's. Obviously, since you read Vitto's ISO

anyway

, that completely blows the whole point. *facepalm*

Really, why would I lie and say Vitto had claimed when he hadn't? I'd get lynched instantly for doing that.

[Crazy]

Continue, Krazy.

[Crazy]

I don't want a Nikola lynch. He wouldn't come up with the "broken nose" thing by himself if he was scum. Either he's town, or he's scum with a broken nose. Either way, I don't think he's lying about his flavor.

Pod person or Pim are the only lynches I'll support today.

[Crazy]

Pim hasn't posted on site in the last 4 days. His replacing out had nothing to do with his role.

Waiting for a claim would have been much better.

[Crazy]

Hmm, good point. I never noticed that before. It's probably Exe and Nikola then.

Still, it doesn't 100% mean that you're confirmed town, and I don't like how you're trying to push that. All it means is that Vittorio wasn't lying about being "the keeper of the Saint Written Manuscript." There's nothing saying that that makes him town. I don't think it's

likely

that you're scum, but I'm not going to put you into the "confirmed" category with Krazy/Klazam.

[Crazy]

I should probably claim now, too, since unless if the scum have a roleblocker or something, I should be able to confirm my ability tonight.

I'm a Crusader visiting the Monastery. I can kill, but it needs to be in the name of God, so I need the church's blessing.

In non-flavor terms, I'm a One-Shot Vig and I can kill somebody at night if at least two other people say "Amen" during the day.

[Crazy]

So from my perspective, the scum have to be 2 of the 3 of pod person/Exe/Nikola. Of the possible pairs, pod person/Exe is the least likely IMO, since they've both been going against each other pretty hard. So that leaves either Nikola/Exe (most likely) or Nikola/pod person.

So just on the off-chance that the scum could prevent my kill or something, I'd rather lynch Nikola today and I'll vig Exe tonight. Unless you guys are insistent on lynching Exe first...

VOTE: Nikola

[Crazy]

and i am not voting anyone but exe today.

That just makes me more paranoid about a Nikola/you scum-team.

[Crazy]

Yes, we're in MYLO. Are you worried about a quickhammer or something? Scum can only quickhammer if 2 townies vote another townie. A single vote is fine; just don't put the second vote on somebody unless you're really sure.

[Crazy]

I assume you're talking about Exe, in which case I second that request.

[Crazy]

I feel more comfortable with a Nikola lynch than a Pod lynch atm, since I'm not totally convinced that Exe is town. Plus Nikola is more likely to be scum with either Pod or Exe than Pod/Exe with each other.

A scum roleblocker is the main thing that could stop my vig kill, and since most scum roleblockers can't block and kill in the same night, so I'd rather lynch a more likely scum.

[Crazy]

Yes...

[Crazy]

Continue.

[Crazy]

Okay.

[Crazy]

Yeah, you guys are definitely confirmed now, since if you were scum you could have hammered Nikola by now, because you guys would have known I would have vigged Exe and not either of you.

I'm guessing the "one in three is scum" refers to me/pod/Exe?

[Crazy]

Hmm, if Nikola flips scum, I might actually vig pod instead. Seeing Exe's eagerness to lynch Nikola makes me question that scum-team, especially since I've outright said that I was going to vig Exe tonight.

If Nikola flips town, I'll be freakin' shocked, but it means (from my perspective, at least), that it's Exe/pod, and they did some pretty decent distancing throughout the game. So it wouldn't really matter which one I vig in that case; it would only matter if they have a roleblock ability or not.

[Crazy]

and i don't see why you should vig confirmed town, crazy.

Oh, I wouldn't. I was making the point that Krazy/Klazam could have easily hammered if they were scum because they knew I wouldn't vig them.

[Crazy]

Wooh, that was fun.

I kinda agree that this setup was kind of tough for scum. I think the Name Cop probably should have been dropped in favor of a weaker power role, like Exe's bodyguard claim or something. We kind of lucked out in that Nikola hammered Pim before he had a chance to claim. If Pim had claimed, he wouldn't have been lynched, and then Exe and I would either have to keep a confirmed player alive in favor of killing Pim, or risk keeping Pim alive, yikes.

Seeing the role PMs again, I realized I misread the one-shot kill part, oops. I thought we could kill anybody as long as

somebody

said "Amen," not that we could only kill somebody that

did

say "Amen."

[Crazy]

I also find it funny that Exe and I both got to L-1 during Day 1 and then we both survived and won.

I think the mega distancing probably also helped. Exe seemed to start it out of nowhere, which surprised me, so I just followed his lead. But, anyway, that probably helped destroy the possibility of an Exe/Crazy team in people's minds.

I actually was prepared to lynch Exe Day 1. When he pulled out the BG claim, I backed off, because as town I'm always against lynching claimed power roles on Day 1.