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Sorry for lateness, doctor appointments and Minecraft devour my free time. I will catch up tomorrow.
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Good god people, you post fast.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, first off I'm going to say right now that I will have difficulty keeping up with this Day One.
Second off, I've caught up, roughly, but the only real read I have right now is AGarTown.
Third off
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He was reaction fishing.Empking wrote:FoS: Silver- I see the logic in his last post but it seems wierd that all the other weren't worthy of a vote but Wraith was.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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1. I don't really get the Pine wagon
2. Calcifer, why won't you explain why Pine is confirmed town? Because it's really hard to simply take someone's word for it.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Friend, when I'm town I both want to know things, and am honest about what I want to know. I often have a very hard time believing "X is confirmed town" ultimatums without evidence pertaining to a claim by either X or the person who says X is confirmed. As much as I hate outing PRs (and this smells like a PR softclaim) I'm not just going to take Calcifer's word for it.Friend wrote:If you people say Wraith always acts like this, I guess I can get back on silverbullet.
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Silverbullet, he's asking questions that people have already asked, he's being vague about the Pine wagon, and he's slightly rolefishing.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, Calcifer, are these reads based on READS, or on PR information from a Night 0? I'm not following your bloody lead mindlessly without some real evidence.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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ButCalcifer wrote:You people never learn, do you?
Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.
Unvote, Vote: Friend. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.whyis there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.Convince meShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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What? You're being cryptic here: do you mean "PR fakeclaims are revealed eventually" or something else?GreyICE wrote:
All such statements are true until at least day 2. And usually day 3.Wraith wrote:
ButCalcifer wrote:You people never learn, do you?
Pine is no gut read. There's not a chance he's scum, period, end of discussion. I will push this and push it hard. Don't attempt to sway me away from this. It aint happening. Pine is town; live with it or replace out.
Unvote, Vote: Friend. Not a chance the guy who's been on every single potential wagon is town. Seriously. Look at his voting record. He's ultra-opportunistic scum.whyis there no chance he is scum? It can't be something he said otherwise you'd point that out.Convince meShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Fine, I'll go with this.GreyICE wrote:I mean that the time to question outside information that may or may not come from power roles is usually day 3.
All sorts of roles that can confirm someone town. Easiest is friendly townie - you get to send a "wave" to someone that tells them your rolename and alignment. Many more. And it could just be a strong read.
But I agree with it. And it's not the time to question it.
Now, someone explain to me why Friend is being wagoned.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Stop making me feel bad! ;_;AGar wrote:
Is he bad at StarCraft?silverbullet999 wrote:Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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As much as I dislike Friend's recent posts, I dislike the people jumping on the wagon no questions asked no cases made even more.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Sudden Parama votes have no merit.
Game is stagnating, I'm stagnating. At this point I'm swayed enough to get on the Friend wagon.Vote: FriendShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Diddin's not a bad player, he's just naturally scummy, like me. So far his play seems similar to that in Simpsons Mafia, where we both believed the other was scum for a long time.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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To many people, that can come off as "I don't want to lynch my scumbuddy, let's try to shift suspicion to someone else" followed by "I can't get him off, let's throw him under the bus and try to get towncred"Pine wrote:So I'm scum when I want to pursue other options, and scum when I finally cave and agree with the group? Circular logic is circular, with the foreordained conclusion of a pointed finger. Anything to divert attention from a scummate, yeah?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@Calcifer: He's bring confrontational and stubborn. That's consistency to me.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Damn, he caught me.Everyone but me is scum.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I'll be honest - I'm asking so many questions because I'm mostly skimming instead of fully reading every post.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I'm liking Pine's play less and less.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hiraki, if you don't want to lynch Friend then you should be putting up your own cases without needing to be asked. You have the burden of proof here.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Damn it.
Vote: Pine
My top scumread after Friend. If Pine flips scum I'm up for a Calcifer lynch tomorrow.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hey Calcifer, how about you provide that reason you had yesterday for saying Pine is confirmed town.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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No, really. Because he's either a PR or scum after that, I think, and since it seemed like a PR softclaim I'm wondering why he wasn't the nightkill last night.GreyICE wrote::/
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I think it is necessary, Calc. Your insistence that Pine is confirmed derailed the wagon D1, and that was when I considered Pine just newbtown. His play went downhill from there (which I noted, multiple times, so don't try to pin "lol look at the wagoning scum" crap on me) and now I'm pretty confident in finding Pine scum. Add to the fact that there seems to be a distinct faction forming around Pine's defense and Parama's death. I consider Parama town and Pine scum and will continue to do so until I see some straight-up evidence.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hang on.
Hiraki wrote:Vote: Calcifer
Die.
I have a post written up from the Night on Word, but I can't access it now. It'll show Calicifer scum.
Why the sudden change?Hiraki wrote:I never liked Pine scum. Gut tells me to Unvote, so I'll listen
Unvote, Vote: Jerbs
Btw., yes. I have concluded Calctown. I'm about to rape this shit.
I need a re-read.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Holy crap, Jerbs's ISO is bad.
@mod: Votecount soon?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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No, I still think Pine is scum. Just depends on who will plausibly get lynched today.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Oh, I'll be dead before LyLo. Trust me.IceyCupcake wrote:Please help me then. I ain't reading it.
I'll wagon Wraith with you, because I want him dead before LyLo, but help me out on EPac.
@Pine: No, he's just town. Let it go, man. I was wrong on Friend, you're wrong here.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Seriously, you guys are convinced Pine is town? Gimme a break.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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With hindsight clearing an even earlier post, this is probably where Pine's play started to go downhill for me. "Daw let's give up my main suspicion and work on the top wagon so I can appear town"Pine wrote:
Arright, fine. If you insist.Friend wrote:Speed lynches aren't anti-town. If everyone agrees someone is scum they should lynch them. Waiting around and complaining about a lack of discussion isn't solving anything.
UNVOTE: Parama
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This came off to me as "I don't agree with the Friend wagon I just hopped onto for townpoints, so I'll call out everyone else on it while staying on it myself."Pine wrote:I see where you're coming from, I suppose, but that isn't the case here.
So, are people willing to pursue other options, with Friend as our backup in the case others don't present themselves? Or are you all committed to finishing Friend off now?
A differently-worded restatement of the previous post. Comes off to me as scum trying to look like town pressured into a mislynch.Pine wrote:I wanted to keep scumhunting. Hell, it's -still- my preference. But it seems no one else is even a little interested. So what the hell, fine. You're reading too deeply into it. If we're going with Friend, let's get it over. If not, then let's keep him on the back burner and look at someone else. My biggest suspects are Parama, Friend, diddin, and [winger], in that order.
Friend calls him out quickly for this post. I again state the Calcifer's supposed soft-claim derailed the first Pinewagon, led to a Friend mislynch, and again derailed the second Pinewagon.Pine wrote:Friend & Empking = scumbuddies?
Smacks of desperately looking for someone to deflect attention onto.
Quite a change from the "Why are we insisting on a Friend speedlynch" stance that was barely 10 posts earlier.Pine wrote:I thought you didn't read walls, Parama?
@Silver: I'm reasonably confident in my vote on Friend.
This only three posts after the last quote. So much for being confident about his vote.Pine wrote:UNVOTE: Friend
I'm willing to give Hiraki a little time to present his case. We've got the time, and the vote can go right back if it isn't convincing.
Friend was at L-2 before.
This post just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't know if other people felt this way, but I thought that this was Pine either buddying Hiraki, distancing from Calcifer, or both.Pine wrote:@Hiraki: I ISO'd Calcifer like you suggested, and you're right, I spotted a few scummy things I had missed when they were spread out. However, I also noticed that at Calc's last town/scum rundown, he had DLG pegged as scum. Considering that you inherited DLG's role and are just now reading those accusations, I wonder whether they hit a bit close to the mark. Especially as you solidified your case against Calc at around the same time you read them.
So the result of ISOing Calc was to drop both you and him from a Townie read to neutral at best.
For reference, I'm looking primarily at Calc ISO posts 18 and 20.
This is a switch from "Hiraki is pretty townie" that we saw barely five posts earlier.Pine wrote:So Hiraki, are we clear on this? You're going to continue defending Friend simply by dismissing the volumes of evidence, and deflecting onto anyone who pursues how odd that is?
By my clock, 12 hours and 49 minutes to the deadline set forth in P561. And when Friend flips scum, that'll move you to the top of the list.
That's just from Day 1. The fact that he has several people jumping to his defense (cough Calcifer Romanus cough) with very little evidence on his towniness screams SCUM CHAINSAW RIGHT HERE to me in flashing letters.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Pine is being framed. I drop my suspicions against him.
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I could go against Romanus, too.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I shouldn't be. I under no circumstances wish to live to LyLo, but I do not want to be lynched.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Oh hey! But you aren't.Wraith wrote:Pine is being framed. I drop my suspicions against him.
Vote: Calcifer
VOTE: Wraith
Also, if you actually think I'm being framed, why would you vote for the only person who is putting it all on the line for me?You Cop softclaimed and contradicted said claim in one post.
Oh hey! Add a couple more softclaims in the subsequent posts. Flailing to stay alive.Short answer: buddying scum
Long Answer: Calcifer softclaimed a PR D1 when he declared you confirmed town. If I were scum, I would have killed Calcifer that first night, no question. Calcifer was not targeted and is still alive, before he refuted his softclaim. So, first evidence: He's buddying you, who is being framed as scum by the scumteam. When you flip town he'll go "Totally called it guys. Gimme townpoints." Second evidence: He softclaimed PR and is still alive. Third evidence: He lied about being a PR.
Simple Answer: I'm not the Cop. There, I solved it for you.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Everyone voting for Romanus. They're getting sucked into the Town vs. Town fight.silverbullet999 wrote:Pine,
who else is getting sucked in?
I thought that was reasonably obvious.
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@Calc: Like I said, I've got a strong Town read on Romanus. Look at Rom again without all the shit Silver has shoveled onto him.tunnel vision. It occurs when you are so convinced that someone is scum you absolutely refuse to consider any other arguments, and/or consider everything that that person posts to be a lie.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Jerbs lynch. His play was crap, his claim was crap, and he didn't even bother to defend himself or scumhunt. If someone else hadn't hammered I would have.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, I've been out of town all day, am still hung over, and I have to frantically study all day tomorrow. So it might be a little while before I catch up.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Let's look at your fantastic contributions to that case.evilpacman18 wrote:Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.
This, which came a week out of absolutely nowhere. Where you in fact vote for someone else despite thinking me scum. I guess the Pine-wagon was a-rolling-rolling.vote: Pine
Wraith is probably scum.
Why is evilpacman not making a case on Wraith but pushing his lynch?Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?
Still pushing the Wraith wagon? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why evilpacman thinks we should. Let's do this.Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Math test is complete, but I'm still behind on lots of other work. I'm keeping up in reading, but to be brutally honest don't expect much in terms of epic content from me for a while.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, I'm revising my reads.
I want to say Calcifer, EPM, and Romanus are all scum, but it's too unlikely that a large chunk of the scumteam would buddy each other so hard. So I've lost confidence in my Calcifer-scum read than the other two.
Vote: EPM
I want to lynch either Romanus or EPM today, and EPM looks like it would get more support at the moment.
I'm not hardclaiming until I'm threatened with imminent death. So long as the scum still think I'm an easy mislynch target, I'm safe from a nightkill.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hmmm. I've been thinking, and now realize that me claiming won't do any harm. In fact, it's win-win.
I'm the Bodyguard. Each night I've been protecting someone I thought would draw the nightkill: Calcifer and GreyICE (don't ask, I think I was buzzed when I sent in that choice) in a desperate attempt to get myself killed.
My role prevents my target from dying, but I die instead. So, if the scum decide to kill me outright, I drew the nightkill, and if they don't bother and keep trying to get me mislynched, I can keep trying to intercept the nightkill and die.
Why am I trying to get killed, you ask? Real life is starting to overload me and I've been getting rid of my games. This is my last game and I don't want to play against my win condition by getting lynched, so I'm trying to very hard to die via proxy.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I'm still under the impression that C-Worl is newbtown. If I live long enough, he'll jump onto my radar later in the game. Right now I'm wondering why several people (especially Calcifer) are refusing to consider Romanus or EPM to be scum. I've been seeing a trend lately: this town continuously jumps onto easy targets and quickly wagons them. The same group of people seem to be leading the town this way.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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My gut's telling me that this is a higher chance of a scumflip than EPM. We can lynch EPM another day.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I hope I die tonight. I probably will no matter what. Even if I get roleblocked, that's a win. Bodyguard is one of the least powerful PRs anyway.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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WHY AM I NOT DEAD. WAAAAH
Oh well, if the scum want to keep the confirmed townie alive, more power to them. I protected nhammen last night. It was a shot in the dark, but I have a townread on him. Even still, I was probably roleblocked anyways so it doesn't matter.
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C-Worl, stop being a skeptic. You are the ONLY one here who doubts a pair of very believable claims.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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AFAIK Neihborizer just puts you in the quicktopic. It doesn't change your original role or alignment.silverbullet999 wrote:I wanna know what the mod error was.
Also does being neighborized cause you to lose your old role and become a new role with the town?
Also who were the neighbors initially icey?
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Neighborizer is not some made up role... also you turning country on us is humorous.
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afaik your goal was to die as soon as possible. This minimizes your usefulness.Wraith wrote:
AFAIK Neihborizer just puts you in the quicktopic. It doesn't change your original role or alignment.silverbullet999 wrote:I wanna know what the mod error was.
Also does being neighborized cause you to lose your old role and become a new role with the town?
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Neighborizer is not some made up role... also you turning country on us is humorous.
@Icey: Why didn't you neighborize me last night? I thought you believed my claim.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I don't think we're in LyLo yet. With 19 players and what we've learned about town PRs so far, I'd speculate that we have a 5-man scumteam with probably two PRs. So far town has a Neighborizer and Bodyguard, which are two of the weakest PRs the town can have. We aren't in danger of losing today, but with 6 VTs dead the town PRs will probably start getting hit by nightkills.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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C-Worl, if you won't believe the testimony of three different players, you won't get any further proof on their claims until they are DEAD.
So please, let's stop being sidetracked and get back to the POPCORN MASSCLAIM we were talking about in the first place.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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The logic here is that we can lynch the scum with badclaims faster than they can kill all the PRs. Don't forget that I'm still alive, so as long as there's no roleblocker (though there probably is) at least one PR gets a get-out-of-death free card for one night.silverbullet999 wrote:let's not mass claim just yet... we might have a few more prs...Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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First of all, it's impossible to claim "all at once." Second of all, popcorn is so scum have a chance to slip up if they, for example, gambit by fakeclaiming a common PR and a later claimant counterclaims.C-Worl wrote:THIS IS STUPID. WHY DON'T WE ALL JUST CLAIM AT ONCE? ALSO WE NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF CLAIMS, SO...
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Diddin = Double Voter
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Seriously, six VT claims? I'm speculating at least two of them are lying.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I do like an Empking lynch, but I don't entirely trust THB either. I think my current top townreads are Pine, C-Worl, and diddin (I don't think I've ever seen scum doublevoter)Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hence why my vote is still on Romanus.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, here's my speculation for the remaining setup:
3 scum goons
1 scum roleblocker
1 scum godfather/some other weak scum PR
3 town PRs that have already claimed
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I totally forgot diddin is a doublevoter and went for townreads. That and I have a natural distrust of diddin.C-Worl wrote:DIDDIN IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I THINK WRAITH IS SCUM! Diddin comes out a Town (assumable) Double Voter. That was D2. Wraith told us the people he body guarded and never mentioned body guarding for Diddin. Why would a town protective role not protect the one claimed (practically confirmed) PR?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Then don't believe me. That won't change the truth.Pine wrote:^ Weak and hard to believe.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Yeeeah...Hider's a really hard claim to pull off, dude. I know. Try something different next time.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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The claimed Hider just happened to pick to hide behind two confirmed townies the day before they died? Smelling a "Oh I don't want to take risks so I'll just use the dead people"Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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So you sat back and did nothing when Jerbs and EPM got lynched, because you "expected a godfather"? And you didn't investigate any of the claimed PRs either to figure out if they were lying? *clap clap clap*Antihero wrote:Ugh, well that blew up in my face, for some...reason.
Alright, I'll come clean. I'm a cop. I investigated Jerbs, EPM, and TBH and got innos on all of them (wasn't expecting them, though). I investigated TBH because of the less than great looking hammer and Jerbs and EPM because I thought they were scum and I would get a guilty and I could feel good about pushing their lynch the next day.
I lied and claimed hider because a) I wanted to avoid the RB and b) to avoid the NK and c) to protect what looks like the most powerful role here. Guess it's not going to matter now that Grey has completely clung to this lynch (for some odd reason) and everyone is going "herp-derp" and following.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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