Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Nachomamma8]

/confirm

The striking mechanic lends to the opportunity for multiple lynches per day. It's a bit dangerous, considering that there are only 13 town to 11 non-town, but I don't think that we'll have a problem reducing that number on Day 1.

The mass 40% won't work because it only affects specialized role actions, not factional ones.

[Nachomamma8]

RC: When a Gang Leader of a faction is killed, does that faction lose their nightkill? If not, who gains control of it?

So, I've been thinking about the roleblock + lynch mechanic, and because we have 5 factions with the ability to kill (if you include the town), chances are we won't be able to have lynch + roleblock days, unless one of the kills don't go through. So, I propose to the DSK that he hold onto his shot for today because it will benefit both factions. We can't roleblock you, so you don't have to worry about our extra ability harming you. We can roleblock the scum that's trying to shoot/frame you though, meaning that you'll have a higher chance of survival until later in the game.

As for the whole Toogeloo business, I could care less about useless town wasting their votes.

Bandwagon Ho, I wonder why you waste so much time yelling at Toogeloo simply to vote Wraith for not wanting to break the game. I didn't find it that glaringly scummy; some people actually joined this game to play it.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm taking the wait and see approach with wraith, I nailed him as scum early D1 in the only game I've played with him, so hopefully I can repeat that(although that was a couple months ago, his scum game could've improved plus this being a multifaction game changes the dynamic compared to the previous game I've played with him)

Why would you tell him that you're watching him?

Pretty sure SKs have to shoot, they don't get to choose to not shoot.

Why do you believe this?

[Nachomamma8]

Hi Plum-town!

And sorry LLD-town. It won't happen again.

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I still can't shake my feeling that the strike is a complete null-tell. It's anti-town and stupid, but those things != scummy, necessarily.

No matter how many times I read this, it still doesn't make sense.
Normally when you can't shake a feeling, it's a strong one.

The only good part of #135 doesn't even have to do with this game. Kublai Khan, are you scum?

I'd be willing to lynch Hresz if we did it quickly.

[Nachomamma8]

Your case is terrible.
And I don't know whether that Magua interaction is scummy or not, but I don't like it regardless.

[Nachomamma8]

Your post? Yeah, I know. Hence the "this post sucks, moving on" comment.

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I find Bunnylover's case on Kublai Khan just flat-out bizarre. Bunnylover's up there on my scumlist, and like Plum said about Exe, in a game with this many scum there's a good chance it's an accurate read.

Do you like the case the other way around?

[Nachomamma8]

Friend, do you realize that this is a multi-scum faction game?

[Nachomamma8]

Sweet! Two town reads: Plum and Friend.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Kublai Khan

All of his significant play thus far has been bad tunneling on Bunnylover and defending.
Bad tunneling because his primary case, found in ISO #5, is completely and totally terrible.

A) Misrepresenting: I never stated I was trying to lynch either.
B) What is scummy about wanting to setup multiple lynches. There are 10 scum in this game. We are nipple-deep in scum.
C) You ignored that I also called out Magua.
D) You ignored that Lady Lambdadelta made a very similar post here that you overlooked.

This case was set off by a one-line post from Bunnylover, causing Kublai Khan to remark how amazing it was that that much scumminess was backed into one line.
A) The word "lynch" was not mentioned by Bunnylover at all.
B) The scummy part about setting up lynches in the first place is because they're lynching without thought. It's an even worse idea to lynch without thought when you have less room to make mistakes.
C) It was a one line post, not a case.
D) It was a one line post, not a case.

Cases like that are grossly over exaggerating, and it's hard for me to believe that KK was actually serious when posting it. And yet, he's been tunneling for the majority of the game on Bunny, without many mentions of anyone one else except for "oh I like XXXX's scum read of YYYY".

His reaction when I commented on his Magua interaction was scummy as well. Town reaction at that point would be to ask what interaction I was talking about/clarify what I meant, his scumreaction was to simply tell me that there was nothing there.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Kublai Khan

All of his significant play thus far has been bad tunneling on Bunnylover and defending.
Bad tunneling because his primary case, found in ISO #5, is completely and totally terrible.

Um.. Okay.

I noticed that you're addressing the group as opposed to me directly. Do you want me to respond now, or to wait and see the reactions of everyone else first?

I'd love if you responded immediately.

Vote: Kublai Khan

All of his significant play thus far has been bad tunneling on Bunnylover and defending.
Bad tunneling because his primary case, found in ISO #5, is completely and totally terrible.

Meh. Tunneling isn't a tell of anything.

Normal tunneling isn't, no.

Nacho, what is your read on Bunnylover?

Null-leaning scum.
If it is scum v scum, I'd much rather have KK-scum out of the way first, anyways.

I could go for a BS lynch. Nitpicking, hardcore.

In other words, classic Baby Spice.

[Nachomamma8]

STRANGERCOUG

[Nachomamma8]

Strike: DrippingGoofball

Good play, Albert.

Camn, why did you apologize for fluffing during notes?
Why are you calling for the DSK to make a kill?

[Nachomamma8]

Every wagon will be quick. There's three separate scumfactions, remember.

[Nachomamma8]

I decided I'm never going to waste another game headbutting with ABR. I am town.

Is ABR town?

[Nachomamma8]

I've already touched on why DSK killing today is a bad idea.

So, it's lynching time.

[Nachomamma8]

The quickness of the votes on DGB and the strike against her makes me raise an eyebrow.
No one posted a case on her or anything an two votes followed ABR. If a case had been posted previously then I would understand why people would be following ABR as he does make a point, but that is not the case.
For now:

Vote: DGB

I do agree with ABR, but I thought the whole point was not to be using strikes till we've come to a consensus so we can actually have a lynch.

This should be turning into a vote.

[Nachomamma8]

*strike, sorry.

[Nachomamma8]

When you put that beautiful, beautiful strike on DGB then we can discuss.

Girl on girl violence brings me joy.

[Nachomamma8]

Buuuuut.. Im not convinced.
I say it us a very good idea.

Discuss?

If the DSK kills today, then he's killing every day afterward.
So, in order to achieve our perfect balance, we'll have to kill the SK on one of the days after.
Meaning that we'll have to SK-hunt instead of scumhunt, and I see no reason as to why we'd want to do that.

[Nachomamma8]

And yes, I realize that we'd be giving up a free DSK scumhunting shot.
But I would far prefer having however many town-directed roleblocks as opposed to one vig shot.

[Nachomamma8]

DSK would want the math to work out because our roleblocks won't effect him, and will mess up all of the other scum.

I see your point about goals aligning, but I have a feeling our goals will be aligning for the majority of the game. There are 13 of us, and 11 of them. Even if things go well, I doubt that things will work out where things start to swing in the town's favor until late in the game.

[Nachomamma8]

Unofficial Strike List:
Good job: ABR, Nacho, DGB, KK, SC, Plum, Bunny, Camn, Friend, Hresz
Everyone else: Agar, UT, Kise, Druid, Magna, Toogeloo, Kage, ThAdmiral, Exe, Magua, CKD, LLD, AGM, Baby Spice

If you're not under "Good job", you must strike.
Do not throw the hammer down until the command is given.

[Nachomamma8]

All scum members have actions...

Except, of course, the goons.
And the DSK is not affected by the roleblock.

[Nachomamma8]

Just strike DGB before you go.
It's past the threshold already, so not doing so would just be delaying the inevitable.
Unless you planned on no-lynching day one?

[Nachomamma8]

ABR, I know that DGB basically asked to be killed yesterday, but I think that we need to look at some of these guys whonjumped on to the death wagon.

Namely, Friend. His post yesterday where he struck DGB was terribad scum posting.

VOTE: Friend

There are thousands of people who jumped on the death wagon. Why does Friend stand out?

@ abr: are you voting me because I didn't do what you told me to?

You're on a power trip.

What makes you believe this?

Well this sucks, I had a response to MoI recent post, and when I went to post it the thread was locked =/. Do you want me to respond to your post MoI, I'll see if I can remember what I said (which probably won't be hard since it is my train of thought), but I just hate retyping/repeating myself.

@BS: I disagree with you on the list of people you posted. You totally ignored those first 4 strikes + the 2 votes that suddenly found their way onto DGB before a case was posted and right after (and I do mean right after like minutes after) of strikes following the first strike. I had said I agreed with ABR meta case. I find it more suspicious of those who tried to over justify their reason to join the wagon.

That in point leads me to this:

Vote: Nachomamma08

You don't actually give a reason for my scumminess in this post.

Vote: KK

It's weird how he and Bunnylover decided to completely drop each other after yesterday.

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@Nachomann: Its mainly because you were the second one to strike DGB. You went right on to /strike DGB instead of voting DGB. No one had commented on the case (i.e if its right, wrong, agree, disagree, etc.), and a person who made the comment about Toog, "As for the whole Toogeloo business, I could care less about useless town wasting their votes," I would expect you to be more careful with your strike and use the vote method before even /striking as your strike could have become a useless one.
And I haven't dropped KK from my reads, I still believe he is scummy, but no one else was seeing what I was seeing, so I wasn't going to tunnel him until we get into a deathmatch between both of us.

It was a gamble, yes, but it was a considerably better gamble than randomly striking out. DGB is a very good town player, and so I figured the strike would prod her into action. ABR also threw himself out there in a way that I didn't think someone who wasn't convinced of their case would, and thus I felt good with sheeping him. I also figured being the second strike would open the way up for all the opportunistic people to hop right on.

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Really? What's weird about that?

The fact that you felt so strongly about Bunnyloverscum yesterday, and now won't even give him a thought.

There's even a couple of votes on me from people testing the water to see if a wagon is possible.

Do you have something to back this up, or...?

[Nachomamma8]

Alright, so have you changed your mind about Bunnylover's alignment?

Your evidence isn't what I was looking for. Why am I testing waters as opposed to voting someone I think is scum?

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Oh yeah.

To the players of the game,
I forgot to let my hydra buddy know that I would be V/LA for at least a week and he was unable to keep up as he didn't expect to have to do it on his own. I take full responsibility and am sorry to have to do this, but in order to not further hinder this slot, I am going to replace out. I am extremely sorry to be leaving this game, but it truly went too fast for me to be absent for a week and is completely my fault. I hope this doesn't get us placed on RC's blacklist and

I hope it doesn't influence your reads of this slot

. I plan on making a final reads post before the replacement comes and I will find a replacement for the slot if RC would like.

Sincerely,
ODM

The bolded is ridiculously scummy to me, and I'm sure that Kast is going to need taking out sooner or later. He hopes that his replacing out won't make his predecessor look scummy, but he doesn't mention anything about town winning or that sort of thing.

I'm mostly pointing this out for the scum's benefit, though. I can't really see normal town or scum caring this much about replacing out, meaning he's likely IC.

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@nacho, what was the point of the above post?

He's someone that will have to be taken care of eventually. I figure pointing him out as an IC member will help scum make connections to shoot the other IC members and maybe get this done for us.

@Nacho-
My slot was absent for the whole of D1. That's something I can easily see people being suspicious of; and it's a potential tell. Apologizing for replacing out since you couldn't keep up and know you still won't be able to is not a scum tell at all. Not sure why you need to fabricate a bogus tell when there's a legitimate reason to be suspicious.

I'm not attacking the fact that he apologized for replacing out. Where in my post gave you that perception?

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what exactly are you attacking then? my problem with that post is it just seems fluffy...

I'm attacking the fact that when ODM replaced out, he was more concerned with his replacement looking scummy than he was about the town winning.
I can see town replacing out and apologizing to his replacement for leaving him in such a shitty position if he was replacing out close to the lynch.
I can see town replacing out and hoping they don't get blacklisted.
Can I see town replacing out and hoping that everyone else doesn't find the replacement scummy with no "good luck town" or anything like that? Hell no.

1) After looking at the simulation again, I got it confused with the mixmaster, a role that is completely unmemorable to me for some reason.
2) When I got my role, and just now to go look what mixmaster did

I don't believe for a minute that you couldn't find your role on the simulation, or that you were confused about how many they were. If you were given a role like that, you would check what it is in the wiki. There also wasn't multiple mixmasters in the simulation ever, were there?

And it’s weird that many people (LLD, for example) completely dropped Hrezs coming into Day 2 before his claim. Yet you don’t seem very troubled by that.

Because I wasn't focusing on them. I was focusing on KK. I'm not going to keep tabs on who everyone suspects unless they're suspicious to me, or they're townie to me and I respect their opinion.

Camn's double hospitalization plan sucks.

CONFSCUM:
ThAD
Bunnylover
KK
Toogeloo
Hresz

My first post of tomorrow will be striking one of these five.

Strike: ThAdmiral

[Nachomamma8]

Why do you think he's least likely to be scum? Blatant self-preservation isn't a scumtell for you?

[Nachomamma8]

Toogeloo

Here's the town of my list.
Although I still hate him.

*Facepalm*
I've already addressed this. It was NOT for self preservation. If I was truly interested in self preservation I wouldn't have fucking put myself in the spotlight by striking someone. I would have let everyone follow abr like yesterday.

See: Toogeloo

@ camn: and why no strike on me if you gave strangercoug the "all clear"?

She already struck.

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

Where's your brilliant case on Kagelord? OHWAIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LET ME QUOTE IT.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

Here's the case on kagelord btw. It was easy to miss as it was in the middle of a post near the bottom of the last page:

Kagelord - had several posts consisting of almost 100% night-action speculation. It was fluff and arguably pr hunting. Also participation in dgb lynch was highly suspect. Especially considering the wagon was driven by his apparent biggest suspect: abr.

shit. i quoted it a bunch of times and it still looks terrible.