Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

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/confirmz

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And that's 10

Vote: other mermaid (singer)

I have a good feeling about this vote.

Oh.
My.
God.
You.
Suck.

VOTE: Mikedmous for keeping his damned secrets. Only the scum and SK have something to hide. O_o
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MoI for trying to limit our fun in RVS.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: tclawren for being obvscum.

Preview Edit:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid for trying too hard.

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DH, why is it not ok that DRK doesn't have substantial "proof" that he feels so-and-so is such alignment, while Andrew sit idly by allowing a "gut" read to suffice. Regardless of how well he can articulate his reads, that should not stop him from trying to expand and offer to the discussion.

I'm having mixed reads on Magna's entrance...I'll get back to you on that.

Lane's an easy target because he's new. That doesn't make him not scum. I approve of his wagon thus far.

MJ's first half of the first post is a good point. The second one is null because, well..."would be" vs "am" isn't the same qualifier as "you" vs "we."

I...can't think of anything else I missed (though I know I did) off the top of my head, especially since most of it is in the page I can see right now). Will be back later. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Drink and be merry. Cheers.

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I just replaced out of one of my hydra games, so I should be more active now. I'll be catching up when I'm not going on 40 hours.

Also, I don't remember which of our games I missed this in, but <3 to you, too, DRK.

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Catch-up Donnor:
DH 89: So it’s ok to not give reasons to begin with, but not waffle around?

Lane’s 92: Just bad posting. You’re publicly invoking WIFOM…I haven’t seen that happen in a while…it’s a good thing I’ve only ever seen this from town. >_>

His response to MoI makes me wonder:

MoI, have you, as town, ever publicly “asked” for the NK on D1 before? If so, can you link a game?

Tcl 98: Is good posting.

Twisted vs Tcl is stupid. They’re both newbs arguing about another newb who just so happens to look scummier than both of them because no one’s familiar with his playstyle yet. Looks like genuine frustration over being misunderstood, IMO.

DRK’s 102: I’ve seen Andrew scum and he still sucked. He should also either 1. Back up his claims, or 2. Not fucking dismiss his own theory if he wants it to have any merit.

Twisted’s 103: Clearly a misrep. Silly boy.

DH 116: What makes you think MoI was making a joke about being killed N1? Also, your vote is on Lane while expressing suspicion of Twisted for having no reason to be voting Lane…do you suggest bussing, or is that not actually suspicion?

WUT IS THIS SHIT. REEKS of overly-cautious scum.

Friend’s 133: Doesn’t give reasons for ANY of his scum reads…

Twisted’s 141: If you could come to a conclusion about Andrew’s meta in that time, why didn’t you just do it before?

MoI’s 179/180: Re: insulting comedy, I feel as though you tunneled Lane with that, as there were other people who have done the same thing. I feel like Lane’s been on the defensive for quite a while now, so his lack of scumhunting is null. Twisted’s scummier, IMO.

At this point

unvote

. I don’t see DH being scum with three other viable lynches. Probably the SK.

Lol @ buddying.

(note to self: if using sarcasm put in sarcasm tags so TS doesn't mistake it for seriousness.)

DRK vs Andrew is making me want to throw them both in a woodchipper.
* in they go *
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Quote tag fixed

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EBWOP: stupid word and quote tags...

Also,

vote: Twistedspoon

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Still wasn't a slip. I said it with the scenario that moi is scum and i would be lynched.

I don't think you're all that screwed at all.

because i don't think that moi is scum anymore. unvoted him.

I can see where you're coming from, but its just not the case.

Are you serious? After the last time you were called out on it, were you not thinking, oh hey, "if I'm

actually

a part of this town, I should

probably

include myself in saying stupid shit like this"?

Scratch DH being the SK...

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anyone else think there's a scum on my wagon?

Statistically speaking, yes, are/will be scum on your wagon.

Why are you looking for validation?

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Verification?
Are you expecting scum to come out and say "hey, yeah you're right, I AM bussing you."

I did actually mean validation, though.
You ask like you're trying to encourage people to look at those on your wagon instead of the fact that you're scum, deferring to others instead of making a sound case of your own.

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Still wasn't a slip. I said it with the scenario that moi is scum and i would be lynched.

I don't think you're all that screwed at all.

because i don't think that moi is scum anymore. unvoted him.

I can see where you're coming from, but its just not the case.

Are you serious? After the last time you were called out on it, were you not thinking, oh hey, "if I'm

actually

a part of this town, I should

probably

include myself in saying stupid shit like this"?

Scratch DH being the SK...

@singer, quick question: Do you believe that SKs are at a psychological disadvantage in mafia? I just want to know where you're coming from with this point.

I...what? I don't know what you mean by "psychological disadvantage." The point I was making was that I don't feel as though Lane's scum, but with his pronoun slips, he didn't seem to be playing on the same side as the rest of us.

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I feel as though the SK is equally apt to not include themselves in with the town as mafia. I also feel as though it's a lot easier to flush out those hiding something if you accuse someone of something they might be hiding.

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EBWOP: not accuse...that was an awkward word for it. Basically it's the point of pressuring. Derp.

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V/LA Thursday through Monday

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Back; catching up; see you soon. <3

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Ooooooooooh harro deadline.

k. I'll be checking in tomorrow to hammer if I need to, but I'd like the opportunity to get a catch-up post up before nightfall if I can. I'll be around in no later than 24 hours (<3 the countdown).

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Ooooooooooh harro deadline.

k. I'll be checking in tomorrow to hammer if I need to, but I'd like the opportunity to get a catch-up post up before nightfall if I can. I'll be around in no later than 24 hours (<3 the countdown).

Can I have a full list of your reads, please?

This concerns me a lot. What do

you

need a full list of my reads before nightfall for? *classic pronoun dilemma*

Do you think that in 24 hours of catching up I would have a fully developed "list"?

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I won't let a no-lynch happen on D1. That should be obvious. But I'm glad I have your permission to get caught up as soon as possible.

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anyawys, I could see scum claim town PR to become unlynchable

and create a fucking WIFOM battle when they're not killed. cool story bro.

almost done.

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fffffffff.

Do we even have an L-1 or L-2 now? Deadline's in like two seconds and we're facing a possibility of a no lynch.

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lol, sorry chesskid, I was using hyperbole to explain that there was definitely a lynch candidate on the rise, and then in the past pages or two, people started like two other wagons.

and DH, my bad, I should've double checked, but I just assumed it wasn't going to be a majority lynch. Neeevermind.

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Donnor Party Catch-Up:

@MOI, do you have less suspicion of me? and if not... why move your vote to a player who seems to not have a lot of suspicion from others. I'm not saying you have to vote on wagons... I'm just saying that of two people you feel are scum, why not vote on the more popular one? It just seems more productive

This is newbish (sorry), but it shows a working effort to analyze players. I see this as very pro-town, even though I don’t agree that you have to vote for the more popular wagon, especially when a deadline isn’t eminent (at this point it wasn’t).

lol @ Xalxe’s reaction to my RVS.
I don’t like how he considers Friend to be one of his top scum reads, and yet doesn’t mention anything of it. Scum tell, in my opinion.

I don’t like to keep my vote somewhere that is not effective. I think my stance on you is well documented. I moved my vote to another top suspect to show my suspicions are valid. If the wagon on you shows signs of life again I will happily move my vote back.

This.

I like chesskid’s effort/catch-up in 254.
lol @ his reactions to me, promising more activity/better posting, lol

DRK brings up a good point in 266. I can think of plenty of reasons why town might want to withhold reasoning for certain things. He’s pushing discussion nonetheless. Xalxe pushing for that being scummy is scummy.

K, page 13, I’m starting to see why MoI “recommended” he die N1, lol.

DRK calls Andrew scum out of the blue. Not effective in any way.
Andrew also calls him vig for no reason. Why?
Friend’s 324: what motivation do you think MoI has for voting you if you don’t think he’s scum?

Lane’s 328 shows room for MUCH improvement on this site. =/ But he’s THINKING ABOUT THE GAME.

Chesskid’s posting on Page 14 is mildly impressive, exceeding my expectations of what I know about his play.

[not done/not all my thoughts, 36 hours was a lot longer than I thought from when I thought the deadline was soon when I posted yesterday]

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UNVOTE: xalxe

VOTE: singersinger

for not unvoting on the claimed vig

If you claimed vig after page 14, then I don't understand your concern especially since I'm not the only one voting you and the one who is was around to see your claim.

I would've voted Xalxe as of that moment, but I didn't with 4 more pages to catch up on, and now it's clearly not going to help.

MoI, I've catching up in this game/my other games, make of that what you will regarding pointing out the no-lynch thing. Though it's interesting that you point it out now after I've already retracted my statement of fear of a no-lynch. What's the point in questioning it after I've addressed it?
Re: DH's statement; I

did

point out where I thought it was suspect that he was asking for himself as opposed to for the town, especially since, as you say, you're curious as well.
Re: My feelings that Lane is town. I interpret his posting as town in the same way you might interpret anyone else as town. I see the struggling frustration of newb town as opposed the flailing frustration of "caught" scum. Feel free to disagree as I see you already have.

Re: Lane wagon. I'm not joining it (since apparently now I don't have to, nanny nanny, boo boo). I feel that he's town along with MoI, Twistedspoon (apparently ), Xalxe (apparently ), and Chesskid. I feel like DH is either scum or the SK, and Romanus for scum. My other reads are either inconsistent, or incomplete.

Preview Edit: Laney boy...seriously...wtf...

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EBWOP: lol.

unvote

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I would rather see a Friend lynch than Lane's.

vote: Friend

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Chess, what makes you think that the nightkills will be so revealing? With 2/3 anti-town kills, there are plenty of possibilities for why a certain individual was killed. And plenty of motivation for wanting to target town AND scum.

Fact is, we can only accept word from the claimed vig, since he will be the only one who can reveal an accurate flip and allow analysis from there.

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Chess, what makes you think that the nightkills will be so revealing? With 2/3 anti-town kills, there are plenty of possibilities for why a certain individual was killed. And plenty of motivation for wanting to target town AND scum.

Fact is, we can only accept word from the claimed vig, since he will be the only one who can reveal an accurate flip and allow analysis from there.

Also, why are you so sure Lane is scum?

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Before anyone does anything rash (like try to end the day within 24 hours ):
TwistedSpoon, you submitted two different kills last night. I'd like confirmation that it was mod-confirmed that you had a no-result of some sort on the kill you submitted on me as opposed to the kill you submitted on DemonHybrid. That will clarify some of my questions/suspicions at least.

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lol. Just double checking that you weren't the roleblock.

PLEASE DON'T HAMMER UNTIL EVERYONE CAN COMMENT ON THIS POST.

Ok, so the reason I haven't been around is because I find it mildly hilarious that the town wanted to end the day within 24 hours of the thread being reopened.

Yes I'm the SK.

Yes I targetted Xalxe last night. He was indeed the dietitian as claimed. He, however, did not taste good.

That being said, and after much thought put into this, Magna, I'm calling you out for thinking that not having posted yet since the thread opened LAST NIGHT is considered lurking. There are other players who haven't posted yet today, and you're looking to end the day as opposed to making sure no one else gets away with lurking (talk about feigned scumhunting).

I also ask you to point out where my meta leads to scum lurking, as "lurking" (aka, not being around as much as I'd like) has been in my MO for the past month. If you could reference a game I wasn't in the hospital for some time, that'd be appreciated.

I would also suggest town hold Magna accountable for why he thinks my play has anything to do with my eminent lynch. Was it bad? Scummy? Not good enough for you? You seem to need to justify my lynch even if means lynching the roleblocker. Convenient for scum, no?

I also believe DemonHybrid to be scum. His two reasons for voting me before TwistedSpoon even said ANYTHING were for unvoting the claimed vig (ooooo, suspicious), and having suspicion on another player because I strongly felt that Lane was town (far be it from me to have a correct read in this game ). Justifying his vote because I still felt as though he was scum, being the first to come into the day with a vote on the one (if not one of the few) person that suspected him D1.

I believe he tried to kill me last night as well and failed, therefore knowing that I was the SK and fished for excuses to vote for me. Magna, as I don't believe you should still need to wait until my flip to confirm that I'm the SK, feel free to disclose your reasons for believing there were two missing kills (though really only one now that one of them has been accounted for).

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My absence thus far mostly has to do with contemplating how best I can assure a win for the town (I don't harbor any false illusions that I can still win, believe me), as I felt my lynch would come fairly quickly upon my first post. That being said, knowing that I'll inevitably be lynched, and knowing that the vig will be dead tomorrow morning (unless the mafia is completely retarded), I would propose using this day as a double lynch option (depending on flips, etc).

I would kill DemonHybrid tonight, unless town agreed there was a better target through their scumhunting today (hense the "double lynch" aspect), and learn his flip, etc.
The town roleblocker can either roleblock me, leave me to die by the hands of the mafia, or try and roleblock who they think is scum and block a kill. Either way, there are ample reasons why it would be beneficial to keep me around for just today, and lynch me tomorrow instead.

I understand the trust aspect, though (seriously, this is why my mind has been buzzing even trying to figure out if it was worth it to bring up the plan). Just try not to completely waste the day. Look at who jumped on me, no questions asked, without even thinking there was still ample time to get me lynched while scum-hunting. If you still think it's best to lynch me today, then chalk it up to dumb luck; sorry dudes, gg, the game was fun while it lasted. : )

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That's true. I forgot I had a one-shot roleblock immune ability thing (sooo not used to this).

I mean, that would've defeated the purpose of keeping me around to use for the vig kill anyway. It's pretty much whether or not you want to decide that using me to get the flip on someone else you feel to be scum is worth it or not. You wouldn't guarantee that extra town-controlled kill with TS since he's the obvious NK tonight.

Andrew, I would highly advise against not hammering until everyone's had a chance to respond. It's the easiest way to force scum to play their cards.

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Heh, I don't think there's a doubt that I have to concede the win to this one...

and yes, at this point, I would help the town win.

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TwistedSpoon, what about my play did you deem was SK or Mafia worthy? What about DemonHybrid's play?

MoI's forgetting that I was V/LA for a while, but as soon as I caught up, was equally active in this game. His "lurking" excuse doesn't hold water. The hospital reference was in accordance to my meta, which you seem to think holds me as lurking scum. You don't know my meta very well do you. One game under completely different circumstances (hydra-ing, unless you think you can find games where quadz lurks as scum, too) does not a meta-case make.

He's taking credit for just so happening to find scum in a fucking list of people who "weren't around as much as he would've hoped." Just because people don't rape the thread, doesn't mean they're scum.

Actually … I’m accusing you of fake-scum hunting in an effort to find Town PR claims. Which you succeeded at. Bravo, job well done.

quoting for the hypocritical lulz.

@TwistedSpoon...clearly not having ended the day is helping the town realize that quick-lynches aren't always the best, as proven by MoI and DRK's little spat. I'm interested in seeing how many people are going to avoid posting in the thread to prevent themselves from being incriminated.
Most notably DemonHybrid who hasn't responded to what I have to say about him, even though he's posted in the thread since then. He seems to care more about painting Chesskid to be scummy (he's totes town, btw) for "directing the night kill" when I already explained why it was the obvious choice. Confirmed town+risk of a mafioso being shot. Hmm...who does the mafia kill...

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lol. It's ok Chess. I understand. It's the name of the game. Rotten luck be damned.

Do you understand why I'm asking for no one to hammer yet, though? Discussion is protown, and there are two people who I think are being absolutely anti-town about it.

Gee...

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I appreciate the effort.

I WOULD advise the town to keep questioning DH, though. It might help if he responds before the day ends so that way he can't be coached by his scum partner at night. Just a thought.

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And yet you continue to ignore my suspicions of you and MoI while responding to things you've supplemented yourself.

You and MoI are just being belligerent towards me because I feel you two are scum, not because I claimed scum. I'm actually working more for/with the town than you are; it's just making you look bad.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Go town.

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Aww,

dripping

with AtE.

Fact is, you knew I was the SK because you tried to kill me and it didn't work. GG.

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You also forget that you were TS's original target.

That's now three people other than me who feel as though shooting you would be a good idea, one of whom is practically confirmed town by now. Are the other two scum? What happened to DRK? What do you think of MoI?

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Classic scum response.

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So emotional. *tsk*tsk*

DRK didn't call for my lynch right away. One of the most pro-town things I've seen anyone do all game. Chesskid unvoted to allow for more discussion (and apparently allow you to incriminate yourself even more).

You being TS's original target means that it's not just me who's found you suspicious. I can see how if it was just me, it wouldn't hold as much water, but a conf. town felt the exact same way at one point, and probably still does.

You've gone so far past exclaiming that directing night actions is funny, that now I believe you are insisting it's scummy because you believe it's the "protown" thing to do. In reality, it's better to give TS as much to work with and he can, and let him go from there. He never said he was going to do it, and yet you jump down everyone's throat who says it's a good idea.

And I feel as though

you're

not listening. I said I didn't harbor any false delusions of my staying alive and I truly believe that I'll be dead by the end of the day. Instead of arguing against me, you could work on finding the other scum since you shouldn't have to convince anyone that I'm scum and need to die. But I guess you have to focus on just the one that's been outted, as opposed to outing your scum buddy.

I'm sorry you got caught focusing on the SK because of something only scum would know.

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As opposed to actually lynching scum?

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MoI's acting the same way he did in LOTRs Mafia. He must be scum.

As to your question MoI...the scum motivation for the roleblocker not to counterclaim was that you called for my death REGARDLESS of whether my claim as roleblocker would've been true or not. You asked for the roleblocker not to counterclaim because if I HAD been the roleblocker, there wouldn't BE a counterclaim, and you would still have said "herpderp, she's still the lynch you guys, I asked the roleblocker not to CC so obviously she's still scumz." That YOUR scum motivation for the roleblocker not claiming. It gave you reason to look town while calling for the lynch of a potential town PR.

As far as daytalk goes...to be honest, I forgot about the daytalk mechanic, but funny that the person who won't ever forget about it is the person who uses it...

And MoI, you were emotionally flustered as "town" in LOTR when you tried to get me mislynched. I reacted in kind, and always say that I emulate the reactions of those around me. I've not been unreasonable nor terribly hot-headed toward anyone in this game, and yet DH cannot seem to respond calm and rationally.
Same goes for your snarky remarks. Do you think by repeatedly telling me and the rest of the town that I'm scum (AFTER I've already claimed...), it makes it any more true and any more likely that I'll be lynched the next post after yours?

MoI, what do you think of DH? Who's the mafia (if not DRK)?

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Chess, it would be better to lynch me, I only suggested it be tomorrow.

TS will not make it through the night. His flip and the one he chooses to kill will not be known to anyone but the mafia. If, however, you leave me alive, at least one of our kills will be known.

That's all I was saying.

Just please don't lynch me until everyone's had a chance to say something. I'm not trying to get out of a lynch (believe me, I understand the name of the game) and if you choose to lynch me tomorrow instead, I'd kill whoever you think is the best kill...I have no incentive to not side with the town after I know my loss is inevitable.

Regardless, I feel as though DH is pretending to remain involved by discrediting Chess AND myself, as opposed to actually taking this time to look back and find who he thinks is scum. If he is in fact town, he's not acting in a very pro-town manner.

Preview Edit:
Pretty much, but I can understand why the town wouldn't go for it. And the mafia DEFINITELY wouldn't go for it because it increases the risk that they will get killed.

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Correction, Magna, any flip would be useful considering it will confirm whether there are two scum or one scum left, and how to go about scum-hunting from there. The convenience is if it's a scum flip, because then there's extra time.

There's no question, I would shoot DemonHybrid tonight. Too many coincidences.

Also Magna, I like how you complain about DRK's "WIFOM" (and really just dismiss it as such) about the roleblocker being CCed, when you did the exact same thing to me. You told the "real roleblocker" not to claim when it very easily could've been me ("it's the only claim she can make")...and you backed me into a corner by saying I had to be lynched anyway, regardless of my claim.

Very hypocritical.

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Chesskid, DRK roleblocked DemonHybrid.

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I would beg to differ from the "she has no motivation to obey town."

I learned from Mafia of the Chosen Ones that if there's no way the town can win, they should side with the SK. I also learned that it feels better to side with the town when the SK's death is eminent. I've never been an SK before, but Nachomamma took a lot of sympathy on me as town in a prisoner's dilemma situation and allowed me to win with him (stupid weird loophole in his wincon), and my first instinct was

what can I do to fuck scum up

when I was outed. lol.

ANYWAY. If I was really against this town, I'd be fucking everything up, no doubt.

But I understand why you'd have to lynch me, I'm not arguing that.

Preview Edit:
VOTE: DemonHybrid
(I know it doesn't mean anything right now, but making a point is making a point)

"It means that both the mafia AND singer targeted the dietitian." Herp derp, I could've been targetted twice, but I guess you'd know who you tried to kill better than I would.

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I simply don't think town would be doing itself a favor by not making everyone speak before the day ends.

DH, read my role PM and stop flailing. <3

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Oh THAT's why he's voting me...

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I'm bring this to everyone's attention again.

I'm home now, going to read the thread, and will

vote:singersigner

as per what everyone else wants.

This is one of the worst things I've seen on this site YET.

Vote for the claimed SK. FINE. But you do NOT just vote for someone "because that's what everyone wants" when you've admittedly NOT caught up in the thread and did NOT know someone claimed SK and did NOT know that's who you were voting for OR why you were voting for them.

Please.

This is why I didn't want a quick lynch on me today. You're welcome.

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Um, how is that in any way addressing the point I was making?

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btw

i'm so obvtown it hurts the eyes

QFT.

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You very clearly stated that you had no idea why people were telling you to vote for me. You said you hadn't read past page 21, which means you had no idea he claimed I was the SK, nor any idea that I confirmed that claim.

Unless you were lying about how much you knew about the game.

Why would you lie to us, Ani? Why?

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I never got to eat singer

Can you explain why you ruin the game for me now? lol.

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eh I'm not sure what would've happened if I chose DH over singer N1. maybe the SK would have won. Who knows

Pfft. I totes would've lost eventually. I wasn't expecting an SK win, ever. I would've been after DH so. hard. that I probably would've eaten the night kill eventually. I just didn't expect it to be by the vig.

I

was

V/LA for a while, if you remember, which had to do with why I wasn't around. I felt like I sufficiently made up for it at the end of D1 when I came back, though.

Just, rotten luck all around. =/

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Don't blame us for making you claim. It's the nature of the game. Play well, don't get lynched. Don't play too well, don't get night-killed. Just sayin.

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<3