There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

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GreyICE exit, stage right.

Cupcake a go!

Now to find an avatar...

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Arguing about whose scummier is badposting.

If Friend is scum and Confi is town, lynch Parama for jellybeans.

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^^
I need to know the alignments of both, but either Parama has some agenda he's not telling us, or he's deliberately being a pain. It's almost too scummy to be scum at this point.

Confi isn't really making me happy either, and I'd happily agree with Parama if he hadn't gone about pushing this case in such a poor manner, and if he wasn't refusing to move his vote to a wagon he says is scum.

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So what's so bad about voting for friend? What makes Confi so much worse than friend?

'cause friend's pretty obvscum.

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Oh for god's sake, EmpKing isn't trying to boss anyone around or tell us all his reads and expect us to sheep him, he's scum this game.

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And before anyone yells meta, it's personality again. Emp is a very forceful personality who loves to be right, and either isn't easily intimidated or fakes it reasonably well.

He's also as linear as some of my newbies in newbie games. No way in hell does he not have long lectures for us on why his terrible reads are right. I mean they'll still be terrible, but as town he always has convoluted explanations of why he's right. As scum, I'd expect a hell of a lot more like this.

Bad Emp, no treats for you!

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Not Voting: Wraith, Jerbs, evilpacman18
C-worl (2): Pine, Empking
Friend (5): GreyICE, silverbullet999, C-worl, Calcifer, AGar
Pine (2): TwoHeadedBoy, DLG
Jerbs: Antihero
Wraith: ConfidAnon
ConfidAnon (2): nhammen, Parama
[winger] : Diddin
silverbullet999(2) : Friend
diddin : [winger]

Lets go through this.

Wraith, Jerbs, evilpacman18

Wraith is a conservative player, this makes sense. Jerbs activity levels could not actually be lower without me having no idea he's in the thread. Speaking of which, Pacman is in the thread? Waaaaaaaaa?

Wraith town, the other two null-scum.

C-worl (2): Pine, Empking

Dear lord.

Pine (2): TwoHeadedBoy, DLG

Dear lord.

Jerbs: Antihero

Is playing this game?

[winger] : Diddin

Will need an [/winger] tag sooner rather than later. That being said...

diddin : [winger]

Would actually bet some money this is a distancing from two bad players.

silverbullet999(2) : Friend

No.


Other shit is alright.

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@Pine: once scum is caught, the day just kind of stagnates. Beyond a certain length, the chances of lynching scum actually decrease, because the scum can lurk their way into townies getting dragged into stupid debates.

Friend claiming will have no effect on my vote. Unless he claims a power role we can confirm, I'm lynching his ass. I hate random PR claims, and I don't give a shit about them. I tend to lynch em.

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P.S. - I just realized when I looked through my ISO, I said Fugitive was in Maine. I meant Massachusetts. Same difference. (still dunno where he is right now though)

YOU LIED!

LYNCH ALL LIARS!

Unvote

Vote:Friend

OH WAIT. NO.

Unvote

Vote: Friend

LETS LYNCH SCUM INSTEAD.

P.S. The weather control machines still aren't running

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'cause he's scum. But he'll wait for a different day. Dear lord, it's like "lets start a counterwagon on obvnewb. While FOSing the entire city."

Like balls. Hiraki is beter than that. And DLG was ping ping on the 'dar if I reread his 3 post ISO.

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Dammit, we still playin' "whose ICE an alt of?"

I tells you the truth, and youse not believin me

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Well, it's hard for him to scumhunt when you're not even giving him the chance to.

Yes.

I hacked his account to stop him from posting any meaningful content in the thread, reading other users posts, or making any good questions, comments, or contributions.

You wanna know how you scumhunt with a wagon on you? Same as you do in any other circumstance.

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Why should Fugitive? You're not making any sense Hikaru. Also, stop ignoring Pine's questions. Why are you claiming Friend to be towny, if you don't give your reason eventually someone will hammer him.

My mistake. Meant Cookie/Anti.

Because no one has made a valid case up, I'm going to assume there is no good case.

I'm gonna sussinctly reply to this: Balls.

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I'm gonna sussinctly reply to this: Balls.

I'M GOING TO ASSUME THIS IS THE GREYICE HEAD

I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE

~Pie

I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM. OR IS TROLLING THE THREAD TO DRAW THE NIGHT KILL. OR IS TROLLING US, 'CAUSE HE'S SCUM. OR IS TROLLING US 'CAUSE HE'S TOWN.

I'D HAVE EXPECTED AN 18 PAGE DISSERTATION ON FRIEND-SCUM FROM MASTIN RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T FEEL PINE-SCUM STRONGLY, AND I AIN'T TERMINATING MY CONNECTIONS WHEN THEY'RE BEING DRAWN FOR ME THIS EARLY.

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Just post "PROD DODGE" next time.

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Fucking balls

@Mod - Please erase last two

AGar? Lolz. Idiots are PR hunting.

Can't be Calcifer, he'd be better at it than that.

Go look at the player list. We forgetting anyone who SHOULD be in this game?

vote: Pine

Wraith is probably scum.

Vote: EvilPacman18

Short list of people I'm starting to forget are in this game:
Antihero (Previously Cookie_Of_Death)
Empking
diddin
ConfidAnon
Jerbs
Wraith

*sigh*

I see an explanation for the Calcifer/Pine thing, but I'm gonna wait for a bit. At the moment, Pine is town to me.

I have some other thoughts, but this Pine wagon is terrible, and I wanna hear from other people. And why you're voting for Pine over Pacman is like... durr, wazzut?

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Lurked, made 'catchup soon;' comments, then voted for friend in a vote that said "oh person X is scum, VOTE: Y"

And then lurked to the lynch.

Scummy as HELL

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No, I mean the part where Calcifer explained it.

More may be going on, but Pine reads town to me too, and I don't like this wagon.

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Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Sooooooo...

Where's my vote again?

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Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Come in.

Look where my vote is.

Look if the poster has made any recent posts.

And we're running up a wagon on Jerbs for lack of content.

Jerbs is bad, but what the hell is this? If I had to guess, he's positioning himself so a buddy's scumflip might give him SOME town points, because certainly nothing he's done the entire game will give him any.

I'd like Jerbs to claim, if I'm not getting my Pacman lynch.

Seriously, Pie, Fugi, Nacho, am I the ONLY ONE reading this this way?

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BTW: Jerbs is town.

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Lesse, Romulus is obvscum, we could lynch that for giggles. Wasn't pleased about [winger], MUCH less pleased about that thing. We start a wagon, you can expect to find my vote on it posthaste.

Wraith is a problem for me. I'm going to say scum, but I openly admit that he's scummier when he's town for me than when he's scum. I'm guessing we have no vigs, meaning he'll be alive to LyLo if we don't lynch it. Great.

If Calcifer was scum, Mastin would be pontificating on the theory of Mafia, and nacho would smash him over the head with a baseball bat and take away his posting privileges. So town. Not willing to quit mafiascum if I'm wrong, but I might as well be, it'd make no difference to my presence on the site. THB is town, obv. CWorl obvtown. Silver town.

Hiraki is in the worrying border lines that are grey. Something isn't quite there here.

Diddin is town doublevoter. Scumteam would NEVER have him reveal his power if it was optional, having him live until LyLo then turning LyLo into an autoloss by doublevoting No Lynch would be too tempting for any team with have a brain.

PEDIT: Parama is town. Bad, but town.

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If it came down to the two.

I'd kill the one who was posting infrequently over the one who was posting frequently. If nothing else, if they're both town, I have 1000% more confidence in Pine in LyLo than I do in Jerbs.

You know that. And I'd hardly make any sort of 'meh I'll bet X' that Jerbs is town. He just says town to me.

What is your take on Hiraki?

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I could explain, but the read is quiet enough that I'm happy to see more Jerbs content. Yes I am.

So I'll say 'Black Magic.' I'm a priest of Eris personally, and I think Antihero sacrifices goats to the dark gods. Calcifer is just agreeing with us because he knows we'll hex him.

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Okay... see, I would have bet money that was true in Walking Dead. And he flipped town. After Fate told him to shut up and vote someone because 'that made him town.' How the hell do you tell?

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Like literally, it was like this:

*Ender wagon at L-2*
Wraith: "WELL I'd totally like hammer BUT I dun want discussion to end and stuff but I'm suspicious of Ender."
Fate: " If you vote Ender you're town."
Wraith: "Vote: Ender"

And he flipped town. Like... wut.

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How is Evil town? I think you is smoking the good stuff.

Last game I was in he was 10x as town as this. He was serial killer.

Which is basically town when you're NK immune, and we lynched him but good, but he was the strongest town read I had in the game. He contributed and did interesting things and thought hard. I think he's avoiding me and this.

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Wut?

DUDE I'M VOTING EVILPACMAN

WHY WOULD YOU THINK I THINK HE'S TOWN

MY VOTE DOESN'T SIT ON PEOPLE I THINK ARE TOWN

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Please help me then. I ain't reading it.

I'll wagon Wraith with you, because I want him dead before LyLo, but help me out on EPac.

@Pine: No, he's just town. Let it go, man. I was wrong on Friend, you're wrong here.

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Don't have a good feeling about this

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Vote: Romanus

Obv

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Wraith wagon.

Is good too.

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Fine, I've never been able to read his scummy ass, and there's some damn good points against Wraith

Unvote

Vote:Wraith

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At some point though, I can't help but feel our town MO is lynching incompetents

Because they're incompetent

Jerbs was fairly obvtown in my opinion. Friend was unreadable because he gave up, and giving up is always anti-town, and usually scum. Wraith is usually just this side of unreadable.

I want EPM and Romanus DEAD. I have a newb-town read on C-Worl, and a 'waaaaaa' read on Silver, but [winger] was just a newb read. I can and do read newbies, and I have the links to prove it, and frankly he read like scum who was trying.

PEDIT: Well, wraith joins us. Meh. I hate those posts. Still don't know if he's the lynch for today.

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Hey guys.

Evil Packman is still playing the game.

Interesting, right?

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Vote Romanus

Scumtells are boring if they're a checklist. Like wee, don't do anything on the checklist and you're town?

No.

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2859030 - Questions he never follows up on. Doesn't appear to be genuine curiousity, he doesn't particularly follow the line of questioning again.

I'll admit that for now.

1.pine
2.cworl
3. [winger]

in no particular order

So, all newbies?

He plays the newbie card so hard it hurts. Repeatedly.

diddin's vote on me is scummy, IMO. He showed up, didn't say much about the main wagons, and put a relatively safe, unquestioned vote on me. It'd be quite easy for him to leave it there the rest of the day and avoid commenting on any of the main wagons.

Vote: diddin

Let's hear what you have to say.

This is just bad.

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You think parama is town? Any more amazing observations for us?

I mean seriously, the more I look at the post the more I realize how bad it is.

Scum: Wraith,

Jerbs

, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.

It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."

Also Romanus is scum.

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Scum: Wraith,

Jerbs

, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.

It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."

Fuck...

Yeah I have no excuse. Wait. Maybe I do. Will you accept "it was 3:30 AM" as one?

Eh, I've given the same one myself (when I screwed up two players when writing a wall post and constantly refered to one using the other's name) so I guess.

It's simply this that's bothering me: There was dancing and screaming and howls for blood over Jerbs, who was posting zero content. There's dancing and screaming, and howls for blood over Wraith, who posted very little content.

There's a little bit of frustration with your lurking and... me.

I mean you have Parama in your town reads. Think Slaxx confirmed that one, what with him being the NK and all. You have Jerbs in your scumreads, what with him being dead and all.

I admit to wanting a little more content, yes. And being very, very disturbed there aren't cries for blood.

We have one of our big town reads as a town whose scum though. No one would think Parama was a PR, meaning someone is shooting people who are quietly town and shoving us around for lynches.

I need to reread for ideas. But I have some suspicions.

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Hiraki is town, though I'd love to see his additional input.

Antihero is... hmmmmmmmmm

nhamman looks suspiciously like scum if romanus is scum.

romanus/winger need to DIE.

EmpKing is SCUM

These are important pieces of information for us.

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Romanus is the perfect person to be scum.

Period.

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nhammen is also the perfect person to be scum. Votes on either are :goodposting:

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Alright.

Glad to see someone read my book and is on my page.

Vote:PACMAN

Romanus is scum Pie, but we can argue about it tomorrow, or some other time.

And in case

It doesn't count

Vote: EvilPacman

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Ah Nacho, you are working on making my day.

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Well calcifer was fairly clearly gambiting to see if he'd claim scum or something.

But I wasn't really about to give that away.

No chance now, of course. Still I think the probability of him flipping town after that last post are fairly low. And I've hated his vote on day 1 since, oh... day 2. Also with everyone pushing lurkers like 1000% (Jerbs, Wraith, etc.) and him being convienently left out despite the fact he was scummier than wraith and lurking more too means that I feel fairly confident that ignorance was deliberate on at least a few people's parts.

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-evil
Where's the case on me? I want my explanation.

How in-depth do you want? Basically it's mostly about you continuing to push Romanus after all the town-tells he's dropped since you started on him.

Mind if we ask whose in the QT with you?

'cause Romanus has dropped between jack and shit in terms of town tells.

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Also, you is dead.

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Also, this, THIS is why I nagged Calcifer for days to justify his goddamn reasons, but noooooo, Pikachu don't want to explain. Now, he's dead and whatever great fucking insight he had to why Pine may or may not be town is fucking lost. As well as his reasoning for all his reads. THIS is why people need to explain themselves more bc in the end, Calcifer didn't help us out a damn bit.

O RLY

'cause I know what Calcifer was thinking

LETS DO THIS THING

Day before LyLo, we need all the fucking information we can get.

FYI, Pine, ?

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I'm not sure I follow the question, IC. If that was a question.

...

STOP SKIRMISHING WITH C-WORL

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Anyway, it's 10:3 for a typical mini

Adding 3 town for every one scum gives us:

13:4
16:5

We're somewhere inbetween there at 19 players. I'm going to assume 5 scum because assuming otherwise could be fatal, but given the sea of vanilla, four is possible.

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PEDIT: Pine, we have a bodyguard. Mass Claim with a living bodyguard. I feel better about that than some.

Also, I'd prefer nhamman, Romanus, or EmpKing, with a side order of diced Hiraki tbh.

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Two headed boy may be confirmed scum. Information pending.

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Yeah, waiting on the moderator, because it could just be a mod error.

If it's not, he's almost certainly scum, AND mass claim is a terrible idea.

From the right account.

Sorry, it just occurred to me that Pine almost certainly checked his PMs, and he appears totally clueless, SO... yeah... no explanations if he WASN'T, other than the screamingly obvious. Slaxx can help me out, or Pine can say "Herp Derp, your name on the front page is IceyMuffin, and I totally don't read my PMs."

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Sorry, I wait for Pine or Slaxx.

Just lynch THB if he claims anything with a guilty on me, FYI

That's happened before

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Very good.

CLAIM: Town Neighborizor

I can add people to my neighbor QT every night. I have access to every one of Mastin's VCAs and Nacho's reads, since he's been posting them there since night 1.

Night 2, I added THB because that hydra is one of the better players in the game.

Night 3, with a bodyguard claimed, I was apparently roleblocked, and Calcifer was killed. After adding THB on Night 2.

Scum learned of my neighborhood. About when I added THB. Since Wraith BGed me on N2, it was probably too risky to kill me.

Vote: Two Headed Boy

Scum have RB, no mass claim. Will post Mastin VCs, Nacho reads, and my thoughts tomorrow.

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EDIT: AND NOW YOU TELL ME SLAXX

THANKS FOR THE MOD ERROR

THIS SUCKS

UNVOTE[/b[

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Unvote

Oh well, guess I get to information dump, grin, bear it, and die like a man.

THB is probably town, btw.

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Pine can now confirm everything I've said btw

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Bah. I don't care. At this point we need our lynches to go where we need them too, and Calcifer's reads were godly. If I have access to that information, I'm damn well using it, you bet your ass

You can plan what you want, I break the plan, then break the plan's plan

Lets get this game friggin solved.

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No, there was a mod error. At this point, with the knowledge that EPM was town, this is what the consensus reads are from nacho and Mastin:

Antihero - Mastin, strong scumread. Nacho, null. Me, townread
EmpKing - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho, scumread, me, scumread.
Diddin - Mastin, townread, Nacho, weak scumread, me... TOWN. Because of today
ConfidAnon - Mastin, Weak town, Nacho weak town, me, null
Hiraki - Mastin, scumread, Nacho, scumread, me, scumread
nhamman - Mastin, town, Nacho, strong scumread, me, strong scumread
C-Worl - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho, townread, me, townread
Romanus - Mastin, strong scumread, Nacho, strong scumread, me, strong scumread (OMFG NEEDS TO DIE)
Pine - TOWN. Or we have to perform the ritual feeding on Mastin entrails, but holy shit is he obvtown and everything about the Pine wagons were bad
silverbullet - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho MODCONFIRMED TOWN -1% CHANCE HELL FREEZES OVER, me - TOWN

Consensus scumreads:

Romanus
EmpKing
nhamman

Questionables:

ConfidAnon
Hiraki
Antihero

Dark horse - every single VCA Mastin did suggested one of Silver or C-Worl was DEFINITELY scum. Which may just mean Mastin was smoking the good stuff, but neither here nor there.

Why Diddin suggesting MC makes him likely town: Scum doublevoter is an INCREDIBLE scum power role. It either pushes us towards a 4 man scumteam, or necessitates more town power. Nacho and Mastin suggested it as a way to out scum-Diddin. Unless THB is scum, and passed this on to Diddin (low probability, imho), Diddin suggesting MC means that MC, which would most likely out him due to setup analysis, would be a VERY odd thing for him to suggest.

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Did you read
Anything
That Nacho or Mastin Wrote?

Give me a fucking better vote. Or explain a DAMN SIGHT better than you chose to in the quicktopic (say, not at all)

I'm done playing quiet because I have a power role, the information is out and we're now going to use it 100% in this thread.

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3) You're scum.

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3) You're scum.

No that's part of 1. (Yeah I can't remember why I decided I had to be a traitor.)

Pine: THB supposedly thinks that [actions THB has done] makes one 100% scum. If he is not scum then he can't possibly believe that (Yes?). So he's either scum or he doesn't believe it (Yes?) If he doesn't believe it then why did he say it? Because he's scum. What bit don't you get

This post.

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Can we wait for the remaining twits to claim before the finger pointing starts?

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Mainly because you're the one talking.

And you're scum.

We've had like not-EmpKing for four days, a day of you being irritatingly wrong isn't gonna convince me that you're town.

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Offhand I'd say you're about to learn the joys of Raivann, Umbrage, and VezokPiraka.

You were not prepared

I'd like to say the following about this game:

1) FUCK YOU REPLACEMENTS
2) CWorl is town. Thank you newbie radar. And I think 3-4 more games he's the sort of person I'll really enjoy having in my games.
3) Hiraki is on the death list with EmpKing, nhamman, and Romulus.

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Nah, Katsuki will post with the giggles

And she doesn't explain her votes and reads as much as I do.

She's right scary-often though.

DAMMIT

Just nominate me for 'hydra disaster.'

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Mastin is an okay scumhunter. Nachomamma8, on the other hand, is someone the scum should have shot night 1.
AGar is good.
Parama is... an idiot savant. Some days his reads are so good you swear he's fucking psychic. Some days his reads are nigh-nonsensical. I'd say he was guessing, but the split is like 40/60, which is much closer than chance should be.

In any case, damn replacements are killing us. I really have a lot to say, and want the claims to finish before I begin.

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Jesus Christ, that entire game was filled with

almost

broken roles.

You are Longshot, an elf-eared mutant with unpredictable powers. It seems nothing bad can ever happen to you or anyone around you. Most abilities used against you will only help you or do nothing. This means you are

bulletproof,

you will always show up innocent to investigations, and

this ability cannot be roleblocked

, among other things. You can still be busdriven and watched.

You are also a doc, so you can select someone every night who will have the luck of the devil and escape any shots fired at them.

Bulletproof unblockable doctor.

Well balanced.

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Scum is lurking boys and girls.

Whenever you see these long delays with only a few people posting, it's lurkscum fest.

Reason is, it's hard to generate reasons why town is scummy when you're scum, but very easy for town to find WIFOM in the other town that are posting. C-Worl and Pine are both town.

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Technically a fallacy? More like definitely a fallacy. I've never found lurking to be anything but a null-tell.

Now active lurking is a different story.

~Fugi

Perhaps I should differentiate lurking and posting infrequently.

Lurking is when you are monitoring the thread, but not posting until exactly the right time. You know, like nhamman is really good at popping up with some analysis right about when it's time to lynch people, but when it's time to do some scumhunting, you can't find a nhamman anywhere.

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CLAIM LIST:
Diddin = Double Voter
Wraith = Town Bodyguard
ICE = Town Neighborizor (Neighborized with Pine and THB currently if truthful)
Antihero -

Town Hider

Scum

(Role confirms THB

if truthful

because his play was derp)
Pine = Vanilla
C-Worl = Vanilla
Hiraki = Vanilla
TwoHeadedBoy - Vanilla
Empking - Vanilla
Silver Bullet - Vanilla

Not Claimed: Nhamen, Romanus, ConfidAnon

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No one popcorned to me yet, but I'll claim.

I'm a hider (standard, I die if I hide behind scum or NK target). I hid behind Jerbs Night 1, EPM Night 2 (yeah, sucks doesn't it; but you people didn't listen to me when I gave you hints), and THB Night 3.

7. Jerbs, Vanilla Townie , was lynched Day 2.
18. evilpacman18 Vanilla Townie , was lynched Day 3.

Hider. AKA

Bulletproof

weak cop.

Everyone see it now?

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The best part is how many other horrible things Antihero just did for his team.

1) Confirmed he didn't wanna list scum in the hider list. If he had, he'd risk dying if a scumslip happened from the list. And suspicion of people on his list would fall on him. So... THB is confirmed town.

2) He didn't want to confirm town. Therefore, THB is most likely tonight's night kill. Since he's a good scumhunter, but a VT with no PR, that means that they don't want to submit a kill on me, aka the strong PR. Aka there's a protective role. Aka Wraith's role is confirmed.

Congrats Antihero, your 'hider' role managed to confirm three people's alignments after all!

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errmm

Everyone see it now?

Sort of.. but not quite...

A yi yi.

What's the downside of a cop claiming to save a townie? The scum kill the cop.

What's the downside of a hider claiming to save a townie? The scum might shoot into scummy mislynches hoping to hit the hider?

LAWL

What's the downside of making up a fake claim where you never have to explain not being NKed as a power role, can confirm buddies town in LyLo, and convienently having one living target that's a totally explicable night kill?

NONE

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HE CLAIMED SCUM

IN THE THREAD

CLAIM FINISHES

I EXPORT AS MUCH ANALYSIS AS I CAN AND DO MY OWN

THEN WE HAMMER HIS SORRY ASS

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See you really can't lynch somebody for not realizing that plan (which TBH I'm not so sure is flawless due to a risk of Counterclaim.)

What's the downside of a hider claiming to save a townie? The scum might shoot into scummy mislynches hoping to hit the hider?

That quote doesn't seem to fit in with the latest plan.

I've executed that plan. It's fairly fucking flawless as long as moderators are smart and keep not putting multiple alignment-confirmation roles in normals.

That's GOOD hider play.
Mediocre hider play is you just claim hider. It's also the right play if you're not willing to run the gambit (which, to be fair, has its share of risks).
bad hider play is you hide behind obvtown that you hope won't be nked to become faux-bulletproof.
Scum play is antihero.

And you are his scumbuddy Empking.

ARGH

[IceyCupcake]

You know, it's easier to remember you're a hydra when your hydra buddy does more than post once a week in the QT.

[IceyCupcake]

Yeah, but he can claim something.

That claim was raw fucking scum.

[IceyCupcake]

I believe that's L-2. I'm personally okay with an Anti hammer without anything else from him, especially as it seems unlikely he would even post again within a few days, but I also wouldn't mind a defense or a scumlist to use for information purposes from him. Up to the non-voters, I won't be taking our vote off Anti til he's hanged in all likelihood.

~Fugi

Information purposes:

Name: Antihero
Claim:
Scum: All y'all
Not scum: My buds, y'all

No hammers yet, leave at L-2

We need claims from the remaining three people, then some serious analysis on anti buddies.

[IceyCupcake]

Ugh, well that blew up in my face, for some...reason.

Alright, I'll come clean. I'm a cop. I investigated Jerbs, EPM, and TBH and got innos on all of them (wasn't expecting them, though). I investigated TBH because of the less than great looking hammer and Jerbs and EPM because I thought they were scum and I would get a guilty and I could feel good about pushing their lynch the next day.

I lied and claimed hider because a) I wanted to avoid the RB and b) to avoid the NK and c) to protect what looks like the most powerful role here. Guess it's not going to matter now that Grey has completely clung to this lynch (for some odd reason) and everyone is going "herp-derp" and following.

BACK TO SAME PROBLEM

COULD HAVE WORKED HARD AND FOUND SOME SUSPECTS OR AT LEAST CREDIBLY DEFENDED THEM.

BTW: Jerbs is town.

This is true.

THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL YOU DID TO PREVENT A MISLYNCH ON A COP-INVESTIGATED INNOCENT

YOU DID LESS FOR EPM.

[IceyCupcake]

OKay, we're getting sidetracked. Let's get back to business.

Grey: 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1, correct?

a = b
Multiply both sides by a
a^2 = ab
Add a^2
a^2 + a^2 = a^2 + ab
combine terms
2a^2 = a^2 + ab
Subtract 2ab
2a^2 - 2ab = a^2 + ab - 2ab
Cancel the ab terms
2a^2 - 2ab = a^2 - ab
Separate out the terms
2*(a^2 - ab) = a^2 - ab
Divide both sides by (a^2 - ab)
2 = 1

[IceyCupcake]

Good. Now, welcome to rampant setup speculation time.

Town Power

Investigative: Neighborizor
Protective: Bodyguard
Other: Doublevoter.

Neighborizor is an awesome power. It's basically a reverse cop used correctly - you get to figure out people's alignments, AND make plans with them. I haven't had a single question about Calcifer's alignment since I neighborized him, and if you could see the Neighbor QT, you wouldn't have either.

Pine and THB are in there now, and there'll be one more as of tomorrow night, unless there's a RB. Wraith can coinflip on protecting me, that being said, bodyguard ain't doctor - there's no downside to the scum calling the WIFOM, so...

Diddin is confirmed town. Scum doublevoter is an awesome ability. Like... godly. Town doublevoter? Meh. It's fun, but it's not end-of-the-world awesome. I'd rank it somewhere around bodyguard in terms of power level.

So where does that leave us?
19 players.

Typical mini normal is 13 players, 10:3. Adding at 3:1
13:4 (17)
16:5 (21)

We're dead in the middle, and this town is weak as shit. That means THERE ARE ONLY FOUR SCUM.

Antihero
EmpKing

Are two. EmpKing has been not EmpKing all bloody game. Thought he might be protecting a power-role, but this isn't the town Emp I know. Also, Mastin VCA says one of EPM and Emp MUST be scum.

My bet? Emp. Or we make fun of Mastin, that's always a possibility. But Emp is full of scummy goodness, and is a fine lynch tomorrow.

So, two remaining after Emp and Antihero.

My bets? Romanus (now Zdenek) and Nhamman. Priority on Nhamman.

[IceyCupcake]

That's our power role.

With 4 scum, we have 1 more lynch than we normally have.

[IceyCupcake]

Depends on the Hydra. If it's gollum, it's cruelty to animals...

Anyway, I support Wraith's list. If it dies, I think we win.

[IceyCupcake]

Alright, Pine you better hash out whatever the hell it is with THB tonight.

I think you're both town, so TALK TO EACH OTHER.

I DEMAND THIS.

[IceyCupcake]

Vote: EmpKing

Mastin and much, much more importantly Nacho wanted you dead.

Nacho isn't always right, but the number of not-Emp things you've done is enormous.

[IceyCupcake]

So me, Pine, and THB are scum.

And THB is the incredibly lucky godfather

And this is the most pants fakeclaim that ever happened in the history of ever.

How about no?

P.S. 4 scum are incredibly likely in a 19 player game with this general town power.

[IceyCupcake]

Basically, Diddin would have been excellent for the doublevote, and Silver for living longer, and just ran out my own clock

[IceyCupcake]

yeah, I suck

[IceyCupcake]

No Silver is town.

My god, I thought we got this in line. Our question marks involve Nhamman, Hiraki, and C-Worl. And not much of one on hamham, no matter how hard he busses.

[IceyCupcake]

So EmpKing isn't even BOTHERING to pretend he's town anymore, he's trying to WIFOM us about his buddies while he sinks under the ocean.

The lack of a lynch is highly discouraging, especially since everyone I have pegged as a buddy is jumping on the wagon. Meaning this is one of the rare times I think I've seen the entire scumteam try and bus and be sitting there like "why isn't it working?"

[IceyCupcake]

Town:http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=50

Scum:http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=25

Like guys... he's not even trying anymore. He knows how far under the bus he is.

[IceyCupcake]

Nhamman and EmpKing are certainly scum. Hiraki and Hoppster not so sure. My bet is you're banking on one player we have pegged as town to get this one, and I think I might have a guess who it is.

[IceyCupcake]

It's LyLo and your vote flies down?

[IceyCupcake]

So we established that someone whose been obvtown from day 1 is town. You guys have no idea how the rage would have gone if the Silver wagon had moved ANYWHERE.

Okay, so:

Town:
THB
Silver
Pine

Scum:
Nhamman (Hello votes today)
Hoppster


Other:
Will Zdenek flip town? Too many scum reads want him dead.
Did we just get lucky with a naked vote from town on town in LyLo?
Is C-Worl town or scum?
Hiraki, yay or nay?

Blah.

[IceyCupcake]

Zdenek, whose scum on your wagon?

[IceyCupcake]

Also, what's your read on Hiraki and THB again?

[IceyCupcake]

Zdenek, whose scum on your wagon?

Nhammen and possibly hoppster.

Also, what's your read on Hiraki and THB again?

I think Hiraki is scum, and I'm treating THB as town for the time being. If we manage to lynch a few scum, I'll revisit THB.

Parama comes in because that's where he asked me about DLG. I don't get how you don't see that.

This is completely irrelevant.

And you think that I'm the scum neighborizor?

[IceyCupcake]

Uh so basically

You think that there's at least two scum who are really busy not voting for you in LyLo

Even though they posted.

And you're town?

[IceyCupcake]

Vote Zdenek

You were bussed so hard
Your corpse looks like a Greyhound convention.

[IceyCupcake]

ehhh

Unvote

[IceyCupcake]

Can I see a Pine/C-Worl/Hoppster (/Confi) scumteam?

[IceyCupcake]

lolno.

I don't believe in bussing my scummates without a compelling reason. I've said so many in many places. I might bus C-Worl now if he were going down, but all thread? No. The only way we're on the same team is if he pulls some voodoo magic trick, or bribes Slaxx to change his wincon to Town.

You've been riding the C-Worl bus pretty fucking hard for someone who is on his scum team.

It just doesn't make any sense. I have no scumread on you, I don't read the two of you as scum-scum at all.

Vote: Zdenek

The thing is, if he's town, he'd KNOW that everyone on his wagon was scum, or the game was over. And he's all like 'lol, Hiraki is scum, THB might be scum, Icey might be scum, Nhamman is scum, lolz.'

He's not even trying. Today was bus the obv lynch for town points day.

[IceyCupcake]

Except I'm nigh-confirmed town, you fucking nitwit silver.

No one thinks that people voting for them are anything but scum in LyLo if they're town. That or they're begging with the people who they think are townies to lift their votes up.

It's L-2 and he's like 'whatever, here are some lame reads.'

Quicktopic discussion was just like 'hey zdenek, you iz going under bus today because we looks like real scumz if we stop it.'

[IceyCupcake]

ICEY YOU STUPID BASTARD

*sigh*

Yeah, I fucked up.

Fine.

Scumteam rocked us.

[IceyCupcake]

Well both power roles decided to play totally pants. And yes, not excusing myself.

Fuck it, I need two power roles in life. Vigilante and Vanilla town. Anything else I'm just going to fucking ignore, it's a waste of time. I've been a doctor, I doctored two people who were dying and was roleblocked twice. I've been a cop, I confirmed my strongest scumread was scum. I've been a JoaT, I tracked scum the night I died (N1).

[IceyCupcake]

Oh, and I posted this N2 in the mafia QT:

[Edit] You guys forget we're a Godfather? If Anti really is a cop, my bet is he'll defend us come D3, because I know if I was a cop I would have scanned the random hammer-er. That's another good reason for our hammer, btw...

I honestly didn't expect to be right. o_O

And for what it's worth, Grey, I think you did alright, all things considered.

No I fucked up pretty hardcore.

I never know how to play power roles. So I was lurking and not taking stances a lot more than I usually was, as a result, I didn't have strong reads.

I had a mild scumread on you, but the cop flipping totally eradicated it. That was nuts.

Dammit, I can't believe the neighborhood was entirely scum.

[IceyCupcake]

THB was scum?
Romanus was scum?
This game was terrible play all around from the entire town?
I like chocolate?
Bye Mastin?

Yeah, if I had to nominate a town MVP, it would be no one at all.

[IceyCupcake]

Zdenek, did you seriously believe town was on your wagon in LyLo, and not attempt to do anything about it? You weren't begging them to get the vote up? Anything? You weren't even trying to win?

WHAT THE FUCK?

I've NEVER seen town do that in LyLo.

[IceyCupcake]

And not too much offense Antihero, but your cop play was pants.

If you're not going to claim to stop likely lynches, why fucking investigate them? The lynch will do it anyway. Investigate people who are scumreads but NOT close to getting wagoned. Romanus/Hiraki/Silver/C-Worl/etc.

[IceyCupcake]

Zdenek
If you thought anyone voting for you was town
and they didn't unvote in LyLo, town loses automatically.

You just... didn't seem to think they were all scum... and didn't seem to care they were voting for you.

It's playing to lose at its finest, if you're town. If you're scum, well, you're going under the bus anyway.

[IceyCupcake]

YOU TO FUCKING TELL EVERYONE ON YOUR WAGON YOU WERE TOWN AND TO GET THE VOTE UP

TO FIGHT TO LIVE

TO DO SOMETHING

YOU JUST SIT THERE AND DID NOTHING AS YOU WERE WAGONED IN LYLO

READS ARE USELESS. EVERYONE VOTING FOR YOU IS EITHER SCUM, OR THE TOWN IS DEAD

WHAT. THE. FUCK.