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^^
I need to know the alignments of both, but either Parama has some agenda he's not telling us, or he's deliberately being a pain. It's almost too scummy to be scum at this point.
Confi isn't really making me happy either, and I'd happily agree with Parama if he hadn't gone about pushing this case in such a poor manner, and if he wasn't refusing to move his vote to a wagon he says is scum.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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And before anyone yells meta, it's personality again. Emp is a very forceful personality who loves to be right, and either isn't easily intimidated or fakes it reasonably well.
He's also as linear as some of my newbies in newbie games. No way in hell does he not have long lectures for us on why his terrible reads are right. I mean they'll still be terrible, but as town he always has convoluted explanations of why he's right. As scum, I'd expect a hell of a lot more like this.
Bad Emp, no treats for you!Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Lets go through this.Not Voting: Wraith, Jerbs, evilpacman18
C-worl (2): Pine, Empking
Friend (5): GreyICE, silverbullet999, C-worl, Calcifer, AGar
Pine (2): TwoHeadedBoy, DLG
Jerbs: Antihero
Wraith: ConfidAnon
ConfidAnon (2): nhammen, Parama
[winger] : Diddin
silverbullet999(2) : Friend
diddin : [winger]
Wraith, Jerbs, evilpacman18
Wraith is a conservative player, this makes sense. Jerbs activity levels could not actually be lower without me having no idea he's in the thread. Speaking of which, Pacman is in the thread? Waaaaaaaaa?
Wraith town, the other two null-scum.
C-worl (2): Pine, Empking
Dear lord.
Pine (2): TwoHeadedBoy, DLG
Dear lord.
Jerbs: Antihero
Is playing this game?
[winger] : Diddin
Will need an [/winger] tag sooner rather than later. That being said...
diddin : [winger]
Would actually bet some money this is a distancing from two bad players.
silverbullet999(2) : Friend
No.
Other shit is alright.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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@Pine: once scum is caught, the day just kind of stagnates. Beyond a certain length, the chances of lynching scum actually decrease, because the scum can lurk their way into townies getting dragged into stupid debates.
Friend claiming will have no effect on my vote. Unless he claims a power role we can confirm, I'm lynching his ass. I hate random PR claims, and I don't give a shit about them. I tend to lynch em.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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YOU LIED!TwoHeadedBoy wrote:P.S. - I just realized when I looked through my ISO, I said Fugitive was in Maine. I meant Massachusetts. Same difference. (still dunno where he is right now though)
LYNCH ALL LIARS!
Unvote
Vote:Friend
OH WAIT. NO.
Unvote
Vote: Friend
LETS LYNCH SCUM INSTEAD.
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Yes.diddin wrote:Well, it's hard for him to scumhunt when you're not even giving him the chance to.
I hacked his account to stop him from posting any meaningful content in the thread, reading other users posts, or making any good questions, comments, or contributions.
You wanna know how you scumhunt with a wagon on you? Same as you do in any other circumstance.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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I'm gonna sussinctly reply to this: Balls.Hiraki wrote:
My mistake. Meant Cookie/Anti.C-Worl wrote:Why should Fugitive? You're not making any sense Hikaru. Also, stop ignoring Pine's questions. Why are you claiming Friend to be towny, if you don't give your reason eventually someone will hammer him.
Because no one has made a valid case up, I'm going to assume there is no good case.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM. OR IS TROLLING THE THREAD TO DRAW THE NIGHT KILL. OR IS TROLLING US, 'CAUSE HE'S SCUM. OR IS TROLLING US 'CAUSE HE'S TOWN.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:
I'M GOING TO ASSUME THIS IS THE GREYICE HEADIceyCupcake wrote:I'm gonna sussinctly reply to this: Balls.
I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE
~Pie
I'D HAVE EXPECTED AN 18 PAGE DISSERTATION ON FRIEND-SCUM FROM MASTIN RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T FEEL PINE-SCUM STRONGLY, AND I AIN'T TERMINATING MY CONNECTIONS WHEN THEY'RE BEING DRAWN FOR ME THIS EARLY.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Fucking balls
@Mod - Please erase last two
GreyICE wrote:AGar? Lolz. Idiots are PR hunting.
Can't be Calcifer, he'd be better at it than that.GreyICE wrote:Go look at the player list. We forgetting anyone who SHOULD be in this game?
evilpacman18 wrote:vote: Pine
Wraith is probably scum.
Vote: EvilPacman18
Short list of people I'm starting to forget are in this game:
Antihero (Previously Cookie_Of_Death)
Empking
diddin
ConfidAnon
Jerbs
Wraith
*sigh*
I see an explanation for the Calcifer/Pine thing, but I'm gonna wait for a bit. At the moment, Pine is town to me.
I have some other thoughts, but this Pine wagon is terrible, and I wanna hear from other people. And why you're voting for Pine over Pacman is like... durr, wazzut?Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Come in.evilpacman18 wrote:Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?
Look where my vote is.
Look if the poster has made any recent posts.
And we're running up a wagon on Jerbs for lack of content.
Jerbs is bad, but what the hell is this? If I had to guess, he's positioning himself so a buddy's scumflip might give him SOME town points, because certainly nothing he's done the entire game will give him any.
I'd like Jerbs to claim, if I'm not getting my Pacman lynch.
Seriously, Pie, Fugi, Nacho, am I the ONLY ONE reading this this way?Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Lesse, Romulus is obvscum, we could lynch that for giggles. Wasn't pleased about [winger], MUCH less pleased about that thing. We start a wagon, you can expect to find my vote on it posthaste.
Wraith is a problem for me. I'm going to say scum, but I openly admit that he's scummier when he's town for me than when he's scum. I'm guessing we have no vigs, meaning he'll be alive to LyLo if we don't lynch it. Great.
If Calcifer was scum, Mastin would be pontificating on the theory of Mafia, and nacho would smash him over the head with a baseball bat and take away his posting privileges. So town. Not willing to quit mafiascum if I'm wrong, but I might as well be, it'd make no difference to my presence on the site. THB is town, obv. CWorl obvtown. Silver town.
Hiraki is in the worrying border lines that are grey. Something isn't quite there here.
Diddin is town doublevoter. Scumteam would NEVER have him reveal his power if it was optional, having him live until LyLo then turning LyLo into an autoloss by doublevoting No Lynch would be too tempting for any team with have a brain.
PEDIT: Parama is town. Bad, but town.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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If it came down to the two.
I'd kill the one who was posting infrequently over the one who was posting frequently. If nothing else, if they're both town, I have 1000% more confidence in Pine in LyLo than I do in Jerbs.
You know that. And I'd hardly make any sort of 'meh I'll bet X' that Jerbs is town. He just says town to me.
What is your take on Hiraki?Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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I could explain, but the read is quiet enough that I'm happy to see more Jerbs content. Yes I am.
So I'll say 'Black Magic.' I'm a priest of Eris personally, and I think Antihero sacrifices goats to the dark gods. Calcifer is just agreeing with us because he knows we'll hex him.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Like literally, it was like this:
*Ender wagon at L-2*
Wraith: "WELL I'd totally like hammer BUT I dun want discussion to end and stuff but I'm suspicious of Ender."
Fate: " If you vote Ender you're town."
Wraith: "Vote: Ender"
And he flipped town. Like... wut.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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How is Evil town? I think you is smoking the good stuff.
Last game I was in he was 10x as town as this. He was serial killer.
Which is basically town when you're NK immune, and we lynched him but good, but he was the strongest town read I had in the game. He contributed and did interesting things and thought hard. I think he's avoiding me and this.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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At some point though, I can't help but feel our town MO is lynching incompetents
Because they're incompetent
Jerbs was fairly obvtown in my opinion. Friend was unreadable because he gave up, and giving up is always anti-town, and usually scum. Wraith is usually just this side of unreadable.
I want EPM and Romanus DEAD. I have a newb-town read on C-Worl, and a 'waaaaaa' read on Silver, but [winger] was just a newb read. I can and do read newbies, and I have the links to prove it, and frankly he read like scum who was trying.
PEDIT: Well, wraith joins us. Meh. I hate those posts. Still don't know if he's the lynch for today.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2859030 - Questions he never follows up on. Doesn't appear to be genuine curiousity, he doesn't particularly follow the line of questioning again.
He plays the newbie card so hard it hurts. Repeatedly.[winger] wrote:
So, all newbies?silverbullet999 wrote:I'll admit that for now.
1.pine
2.cworl
3. [winger]
in no particular order
This is just bad.[winger] wrote:diddin's vote on me is scummy, IMO. He showed up, didn't say much about the main wagons, and put a relatively safe, unquestioned vote on me. It'd be quite easy for him to leave it there the rest of the day and avoid commenting on any of the main wagons.
Vote: diddin
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I mean seriously, the more I look at the post the more I realize how bad it is.GreyICE wrote:You think parama is town? Any more amazing observations for us?
It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."Scum: Wraith,Jerbs, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.
Also Romanus is scum.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Eh, I've given the same one myself (when I screwed up two players when writing a wall post and constantly refered to one using the other's name) so I guess.evilpacman18 wrote:
Fuck...IceyCupcake wrote:
It's miserable. It's literally like "well, better make a wallpost to stop my lynch."Scum: Wraith,Jerbs, nhammen, silverbullet (I can explain this), random fifth person who I probably won't see coming at all if there even is 5 scum.
Yeah I have no excuse. Wait. Maybe I do. Will you accept "it was 3:30 AM" as one?
It's simply this that's bothering me: There was dancing and screaming and howls for blood over Jerbs, who was posting zero content. There's dancing and screaming, and howls for blood over Wraith, who posted very little content.
There's a little bit of frustration with your lurking and... me.
I mean you have Parama in your town reads. Think Slaxx confirmed that one, what with him being the NK and all. You have Jerbs in your scumreads, what with him being dead and all.
I admit to wanting a little more content, yes. And being very, very disturbed there aren't cries for blood.
We have one of our big town reads as a town whose scum though. No one would think Parama was a PR, meaning someone is shooting people who are quietly town and shoving us around for lynches.
I need to reread for ideas. But I have some suspicions.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Well calcifer was fairly clearly gambiting to see if he'd claim scum or something.
But I wasn't really about to give that away.
No chance now, of course. Still I think the probability of him flipping town after that last post are fairly low. And I've hated his vote on day 1 since, oh... day 2. Also with everyone pushing lurkers like 1000% (Jerbs, Wraith, etc.) and him being convienently left out despite the fact he was scummier than wraith and lurking more too means that I feel fairly confident that ignorance was deliberate on at least a few people's parts.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Mind if we ask whose in the QT with you?evilpacman18 wrote:
How in-depth do you want? Basically it's mostly about you continuing to push Romanus after all the town-tells he's dropped since you started on him.silverbullet999 wrote:-evil
Where's the case on me? I want my explanation.
'cause Romanus has dropped between jack and shit in terms of town tells.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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'cause I know what Calcifer was thinkingGreyICE wrote:
O RLYC-Worl wrote:Also, this, THIS is why I nagged Calcifer for days to justify his goddamn reasons, but noooooo, Pikachu don't want to explain. Now, he's dead and whatever great fucking insight he had to why Pine may or may not be town is fucking lost. As well as his reasoning for all his reads. THIS is why people need to explain themselves more bc in the end, Calcifer didn't help us out a damn bit.
LETS DO THIS THING
Day before LyLo, we need all the fucking information we can get.
FYI, Pine, ?Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Anyway, it's 10:3 for a typical mini
Adding 3 town for every one scum gives us:
13:4
16:5
We're somewhere inbetween there at 19 players. I'm going to assume 5 scum because assuming otherwise could be fatal, but given the sea of vanilla, four is possible.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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From the right account.GreyICE wrote:Yeah, waiting on the moderator, because it could just be a mod error.
If it's not, he's almost certainly scum, AND mass claim is a terrible idea.
Sorry, it just occurred to me that Pine almost certainly checked his PMs, and he appears totally clueless, SO... yeah... no explanations if he WASN'T, other than the screamingly obvious. Slaxx can help me out, or Pine can say "Herp Derp, your name on the front page is IceyMuffin, and I totally don't read my PMs."Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Very good.
CLAIM: Town Neighborizor
I can add people to my neighbor QT every night. I have access to every one of Mastin's VCAs and Nacho's reads, since he's been posting them there since night 1.
Night 2, I added THB because that hydra is one of the better players in the game.
Night 3, with a bodyguard claimed, I was apparently roleblocked, and Calcifer was killed. After adding THB on Night 2.
Scum learned of my neighborhood. About when I added THB. Since Wraith BGed me on N2, it was probably too risky to kill me.
Vote: Two Headed Boy
Scum have RB, no mass claim. Will post Mastin VCs, Nacho reads, and my thoughts tomorrow.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Bah. I don't care. At this point we need our lynches to go where we need them too, and Calcifer's reads were godly. If I have access to that information, I'm damn well using it, you bet your ass
You can plan what you want, I break the plan, then break the plan's plan
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No, there was a mod error. At this point, with the knowledge that EPM was town, this is what the consensus reads are from nacho and Mastin:
Antihero - Mastin, strong scumread. Nacho, null. Me, townread
EmpKing - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho, scumread, me, scumread.
Diddin - Mastin, townread, Nacho, weak scumread, me... TOWN. Because of today
ConfidAnon - Mastin, Weak town, Nacho weak town, me, null
Hiraki - Mastin, scumread, Nacho, scumread, me, scumread
nhamman - Mastin, town, Nacho, strong scumread, me, strong scumread
C-Worl - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho, townread, me, townread
Romanus - Mastin, strong scumread, Nacho, strong scumread, me, strong scumread (OMFG NEEDS TO DIE)
Pine - TOWN. Or we have to perform the ritual feeding on Mastin entrails, but holy shit is he obvtown and everything about the Pine wagons were bad
silverbullet - Mastin, weak townread, Nacho MODCONFIRMED TOWN -1% CHANCE HELL FREEZES OVER, me - TOWN
Consensus scumreads:
Romanus
EmpKing
nhamman
Questionables:
ConfidAnon
Hiraki
Antihero
Dark horse - every single VCA Mastin did suggested one of Silver or C-Worl was DEFINITELY scum. Which may just mean Mastin was smoking the good stuff, but neither here nor there.
Why Diddin suggesting MC makes him likely town: Scum doublevoter is an INCREDIBLE scum power role. It either pushes us towards a 4 man scumteam, or necessitates more town power. Nacho and Mastin suggested it as a way to out scum-Diddin. Unless THB is scum, and passed this on to Diddin (low probability, imho), Diddin suggesting MC means that MC, which would most likely out him due to setup analysis, would be a VERY odd thing for him to suggest.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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Did you read
Anything
That Nacho or Mastin Wrote?
Give me a fucking better vote. Or explain a DAMN SIGHT better than you chose to in the quicktopic (say, not at all)
I'm done playing quiet because I have a power role, the information is out and we're now going to use it 100% in this thread.Written by GreyICE, unless it was written by Katsuki-
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