There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

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Calcifer, you voted for Friend, twice, when your vote was already on him. Explanation please.

I'm really not feeling this Pine lynch, like at all. I get the feeling that the Pine lynch was decided yesterday and is a very easy wagon for Scum. Voting for him today, based on yesterday's reasoning is not pro-town. No townie should be on Pine right now. Can't you see how easy that makes it for scum to hide?

Come on guys, we have to be better than this.

However, I am down with a Parama wagon. I can give reasons, but mainly it has to do with the voting record from yesterday. Don't really want to say any more than that atm.

Vote: Parama

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Wraith and Jerbs are my other top scum reads.

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Jerbs is scum with Pine.

Well played Parama. Point the finger at an easy D2 lynch and your scum buddy. Can't be blamed for the former and will be exonerated for the latter.

It almost worked.

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And it is certainly not townie behavior to misquote someone without pointing out that you did so.

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I will correct myself: It is anti-town behavior to misquote people. It does not help town and can hurt the town to do such things. Fine, chalk it up to playstyle. My previous point stands. And as you pointed out, Parama, your logic is flawed as you are not THE easy D2 lynch. Also, I pointed out 3 scum.

There is no comparison to what you said and what I said. More convinced now than ever.

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As I stated earlier, my scum reads are based on Day 1 voting record.

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Can someone please explain the wagon on Pine?

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Calcifer, I have nothing against your vote on Jerbs, but how do you feel about Parama?

@Everyone - are we really going to let that Pine lynch happen? Even if he does flip scum, it is way way way way too easy a wagon.

Pine lynch = Scum win the day.

No one has to justify their vote on him. Scum can ride that wagon without any discussion. Not good for town.

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It appears my Parama wagon is going nowhere.

unvote

We can get Paramascum later. Jumping on the Jerbs wagon.

Vote: Jerbs

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Day just started and you're already abandoning the wagon. Great job scum, please come again.
Though now I am INCREDIBLY wary about the Jerbs wagon... eh, bussing and all that is probably a factor here.

So the day just started and you're already waffling on the Jerbs wagon?

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Parama's still a great choice for a lynch, but sitting around being the only one with a vote on him isn't productive.

Um, aren't you the only vote on C-Worl?

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@EMP - Can't you make your own determinations on what a voting pattern suggests? I think Calcifer was more than abundantly clear about what it suggested and why it suggested it.

This is just active Lurking. And really not even that active. More like doing enough to avoid a prod. Please contribute something other than asking questions that have already been answered, please.

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Silver, you have got to be shitting me. Seriously? That's it? I mean, I think he's scum, too, but why start that wagon with no commentary, no reasoning.

Of course, you don't need justification as just about everyone has made their suspicions of Wraith known.

Unvote

Vote: Silverbullet999

My vote will go back to Jerbs if and when we need a hammer, but for now, Silver has the most recent, most scummy post to date.

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@ Silverbullet:

1) Your definition and mine of wagon are obviously different. But you obviously don't want anyone to follow your vote because you don't believe you are starting a wagon. Interesting.
2) I will never give details as to my reasoning, and certainly not with a wall. I gave what my reasoning was based on. Townies should want to make up their own mind.
3) There is more than one scum in this game. And putting you in the spotlight is the best use of my vote. And it worked, as this is the most content you have posted in a while.
4) I've answered all your questions, please answer mine.

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You have yet to explain why your vote is where it is. I have explained all of my votes.

Wagon=vote on a player. It has to start somewhere. 1st vote starts a wagon.

I never said my vote on you was because of your voting record. My vote is on you because of your single vote on Wraith this day without any reasoning after multiple people threw suspicion his way.


Also, concluding that my reasons are bullshit are completely fine. I expect you to make up your own mind. Calling me a liar is a fallacy. You may not agree with my reasons, but calling me a liar is no kind of defense, and does nothing to add to discussion.

Your reaction to my one vote on you is a little over defensive. In my opinion, your reaction to my voting for you has only made you look scummier in my eyes.

Bullshit? That is for others to decide.
Lying? Nope, it's the truth. I honestly believe that your reaction is scummy.
Playstyle is neither inherently scummy or townie. I don't give detailed explanations. I do give reasons. You have given neither for your vote on Wraith.


Oh yeah, OMGUS much? And no, I'm not pointing this out as scummy, just funny.

So, again I ask, in hopes that it be answered some day: Why did you vote for Wraith?

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I saw your Wraith vote on day 1 and it has nothing to do with my vote on you now. Are you really saying you voted for Wraith D2 because you voted for him D1? [sarcasm] That's a great reason and not bullshit at all.[/sarcasm]
Actually, though, now that you mention it, that vote on Wraith on day 1 and now still on day 2 pings as scummy as well.

So, yeah, add that to the reasons I'm still voting for you. Thanks for pointing that out.

So, again I ask, and let me be clearer this time: Why did you vote for Wraith on Day 2?
And let's add another question that you probably won't answer: Why are you voting for me, now, on Day 2?

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This is going to be really interesting. I was wondering how close Jerbs was to lynch.

If Jerbs does flip scum, C-Worl is at the top of my list tomorrow.

And that is no Bullshit

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Not to speak out of turn, but good scum can deflect for each other. Maybe you were deflecting the attention one of your scum buddies were getting by trying to end discussion?

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That was when I though C-Worl had dropped the hammer. But I get your point. I just don't think C-Worl scum would have hammered Town Jerbs, whereas C-Worl Scum would hammer Jerbs scum.

I hope that isn't confusing, it makes a lot of sense in my head.

The last comment about deflecting was answering C-Worl's question about what he was deflecting.

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rom was the better way to go me thinks

This smells a lot like a preemptive "OMG, I can't believe the doc is dead" post, that is, scummy.

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Explanation of my twilight post:

Silver said, after the hammer, but before the reveal that I should have been lynched.

In my circles, we have a tell called "OMG, the doctor's dead." It usually occurs right after the pronouncement of some town aligned role has been killed, and most especially a power town role. A way of buddying up with the town. "He can't be scum, look how concerned he is about <insert town role> dying."

Silver's post was a variation on that, and I really should have been clearer, and that's my fault for using a short hand I couldn't and shouldn't expect people to get. However, it strikes me as scummy that Silver distances himself from the lynch before knowing the alignment of the character and simultaneously plants a seed for the next day. At that point, how could he know I would be a better lynch? And why say it at that point?

By the way: Icey's "Don't have a good feeling about this." post is guilty of this too. I think they are both guilty of trying to look too townie, which is scummy.

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And for the above reasons:

Vote: Silverbullet

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So, if I base a vote on voting patterns, I'm not allowed to use other reasons for the rest of the game, or my life?

How ridiculous?

Silver, you're stretching my boy.


And as for the tells: The only tells I am concerned with are scum tells. I'm not hunting townies, I'm hunting scum.

Again, stretching.

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Long Answer: Calcifer softclaimed a PR D1 when he declared you confirmed town. If I were scum, I would have killed Calcifer that first night, no question. Calcifer was not targeted and is still alive, before he refuted his softclaim. So, first evidence: He's buddying you, who is being framed as scum by the scumteam. When you flip town he'll go "Totally called it guys. Gimme townpoints." Second evidence: He softclaimed PR and is still alive. Third evidence: He lied about being a PR.

Simple Answer: I'm not the Cop. There, I solved it for you.

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So, you've got a slight Icey suspicion (total fail) and a silver suspicion (still fail), but don't mention Hiraki doing exactly the same thing?

I was examining the twilight posts. But you're right, Hiraki does somewhat the same thing, but I do think it is scummier in twilight than at dawn for obvious reasons.

Also, sorry about my last fail post. I hit submit before I was done. I wanted to add that it was an interesting argument and that I had given Calcifer a pass and needed to reevaluate my position on Calcifer.

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Not sure where to go here. The most recent scummy behavior is from C-Worl, getting very very defensive about a confirmed townie voting him. It was 2 votes, but still.

I have tunneled on Silver, and need to expand my search a bit. Waiting for an official vote count before I move my vote. But it's probably going to C-Worl.

unvote

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Sorry guys, I need to do a real catch up.