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Post Post #800 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:38 am

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Wraith's scum by VCA.
Friend (7): silverbullet999, AGar, Parama, Wraith, Pine, C-worl, Iceycupcake
Friend (10): silverbullet999, AGar, Parama, Wraith, C-worl, Iceycupcake, Calcifer, nhammen, Twoheadedboy, Pine
Pine (7) : Diddin (2), Empking, Parama, Wraith, Jerbs, Evilpacman18
Pine (7) : Diddin (2), Empking,
Parama
, Wraith, Jerbs, Evilpacman18, Twoheadedboy
Note the common trend. On the first Friend wagon,
-Townread on silver.
-Pine's ultra-town.
-C-Worl is a newbtownread
-Icey's town.
-Nacho says Parama's town.
And that's 7/10 needed for a lynch. There HAS to be at least one scum on that lynch wagon, if not two.

The second Friend wagon (the lynch one) is the same. It needs 1-2 scum on it, minimum. The new names on there are Calcifer (obviously not), nhammen (townread), and Twoheadedboy.

In other words, the Friend wagon is mostly town-driven, but needs SOME scum on it. Which fits with Wraith.

On the Pine wagon:
-7/9 to lynch still needs one scum minimum.
-Diddin's almost certainly town for the double-vote.
-Empking's town.
-Evil's town.
-Nacho says Parama's town.

Leaving {Wraith, Jerbs} as suspects.
The second adds in Twoheadedboy and subtracts Parama.

But still, no matter how you look at it, Wraith's almost certainly scum. I'll do a quick Unofficial Votecount to see if this pattern holds true for the Jerbs wagon as well.
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Post Post #801 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:43 am

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How is Evil town? I think you is smoking the good stuff.

Last game I was in he was 10x as town as this. He was serial killer.

Which is basically town when you're NK immune, and we lynched him but good, but he was the strongest town read I had in the game. He contributed and did interesting things and thought hard. I think he's avoiding me and this.
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Post Post #802 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:45 am

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Not Voting: Antihero,
silverbullet999
, C-worl, nhammen,
ConfidAnon
,
Pine (4) :
Diddin (2)
,
Empking
, Wraith, Jerbs, Evilpacman18, Twoheadedboy
Calcifer (0) :
Hiraki

Jerbs (7) : Calcifer, Parama,
Romanus
, Hiraki, Diddin (2), ConfidAnon, Empking
C-Worl (1) : Pine
EvilPacman18 (1) : Iceycupcake
Wraith (1) : silverbullet999

silverbullet999 (1) : Romanus
Romanus (1) : silverbullet999

I think that's up to date.
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Post Post #803 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:47 am

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Whoops, missed C-Worl.
Not Voting: Antihero,
C-worl
, nhammen,
ConfidAnon
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Pine (4) : [a]Diddin (2), Empking[/s], Wraith, Jerbs, Evilpacman18, Twoheadedboy
Calcifer (0) : Hiraki
Jerbs (8) : Calcifer, Parama,
Romanus
, Hiraki, Diddin (2), ConfidAnon, Empking, C-Worl
C-Worl (1) : Pine
EvilPacman18 (1) : Iceycupcake
Wraith (1) : silverbullet999

silverbullet999 (1) : Romanus
Romanus (1) : silverbullet999
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Post Post #804 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:49 am

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IceyCupcake wrote:How is Evil town?
Last I checked, we both agreed on this. For multiple reasons. Lots of little stuff, mainly.
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Post Post #805 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:51 am

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Wut?

DUDE I'M VOTING EVILPACMAN

WHY WOULD YOU THINK I THINK HE'S TOWN

MY VOTE DOESN'T SIT ON PEOPLE I THINK ARE TOWN
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Post Post #806 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:52 am

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@Calc: You really ought to re-evaluate the newbtown read on C-Worl. He's been hiding behind it practically all game.
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Post Post #807 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:05 am

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*We, as in, both heads of the hydra. Meaning Mastin+Nacho agree.
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Post Post #808 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:27 am

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Please help me then. I ain't reading it.

I'll wagon Wraith with you, because I want him dead before LyLo, but help me out on EPac.

@Pine: No, he's just town. Let it go, man. I was wrong on Friend, you're wrong here.
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Post Post #809 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:50 am

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IceyCupcake wrote:Please help me then. I ain't reading it.

I'll wagon Wraith with you, because I want him dead before LyLo, but help me out on EPac.

@Pine: No, he's just town. Let it go, man. I was wrong on Friend, you're wrong here.
Oh, I'll be dead before LyLo. Trust me.
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Post Post #810 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:06 am

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Arright, the hydra squad has convinced me that a vote on C-Worl just isn't going to be productive. But later, when the field narrows to half a dozen or so and C-Worl is still standing because none of you took him seriously, refer back to the case I made a few pages back for the foundation of yours.

UNVOTE: C-Worl

Okay, now the other people in my top five (at the moment) are Parama, Wraith, Jerbs, and EPM. A vote on Parama would be just as futile right now as it was when i switched off of him, and similar to the reason I'm switching off of C-Worl. Jerbs would result in a premature hammer. There's not nearly enough support for an EPM train to produce pressure and results. That leaves...

VOTE: Wraith

Mostly for reasons others have stated, I'll assemble my own case some time this evening after class.
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Post Post #811 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:09 am

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As an aside and in the interests of full disclosure, I have Town reads on both the Calcifer and IceyCupcake hydras (and THB for that matter, despite Pie's tunneling.)

However, as I read the discussion between the pair of hydras that's happened over the last page or so, I just can't shake this nagging, sourceless itch. I have a gut read that
someone
's manipulating
someone
in that mixture, but I have no idea who or to what end.
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Post Post #812 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:12 am

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Mastin, we'll miss you. Because there's really no way Pine is town.
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Post Post #813 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:20 am

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Always with the touchiness, Parama. A simple mention is enough to get you back on the old warhorse. Why not be productive and train up on Wraith? Jerbs at L-1 or L-2 makes little difference, but one more on Wraith would be nice. Unless you didn't mean this?
Parama wrote:Wraith's scumreads are conditional and based on the current leading wagon. Nice to know he's scum.
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Post Post #814 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:25 am

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Because I want to lynch Jerbs RIGHT NOW and then I can get you, Romanus, and Wraith.
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Post Post #815 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:27 am

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Parama...occasionally, you convince me for a split second that you aren't scum, you're just batshit fuckin' crazy. That was one of those posts.

Then I remember the rest of the nonsense.
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Post Post #816 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:48 am

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I'll get a vote count up....Soon.
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Post Post #817 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:49 am

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Seriously, you guys are convinced Pine is town? Gimme a break.
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Post Post #818 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:52 am

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^Deflection
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Post Post #819 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:59 am

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C-Worl wrote:@Pine, That wall was a humorous read.

@Everyone, why exactly is Jerbs scum again?


@Calcifer, (mainly Mastin) I honestly don't care about your Pine read. I just want to know why you suddenly had a huge switch of "reads" during the middle of Day 1.

@Pine, Also, if I were scum I would have jumped on your wagon the second I got on. I legitimately don't think you're scum. Although, Calcifer's defense of you makes my "Calcifer is scum" theory more plausible.
The bolded is bad. I literally outlined a case two posts above this post. Not paying attention?
Wraith wrote:Seriously, you guys are convinced Pine is town? Gimme a break.
Why isn't he town? I want Wraith specifically to answer this one.
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Post Post #820 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:10 am

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He doesn't have a good answer. He was deflecting, and will almost certainly just parrot old points first mentioned by others from the first dozen pages or so. Curiously, there's been almost nothing new mentioned against me in over a dozen pages, which leads me to think that the people constantly wagoning on me are either scum or afflicted with tunnel vision. THB (Pie) a good example. He decided I was scum within the first couple pages, and hasn't reconsidered it since, despite being attached to Fugitive.
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Post Post #821 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:33 am

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Pine wrote:Curiously, there's been almost nothing new mentioned against me in over a dozen pages, which leads me to think that the people constantly wagoning on me are either scum or afflicted with tunnel vision. THB (Pie) a good example. He decided I was scum within the first couple pages, and hasn't reconsidered it since, despite being attached to Fugitive.
I made a case on you yesterday, so it's not like I'm blatantly bandwagoning. When I feel like doing mafia-work (between WoW and Pokemon and other shit, I've been lazy), I'll dissect your recent posts.

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Post Post #822 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:46 am

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Yeah, and I can make a convincing case for Friend as scum, too. Start with a presupposition, and anyone that's smart enough can manipulate the evidence in whatever way they want. My point, Pie, is that you made your decision in the first day or two, when I was still making newbie mistakes. I'll grant that of all the people wagoning on me, you're the only one that appears to have given it a lot of thought. It's why I have you as a (misguided) Town read. Step back away from it and re-evaluate the case, talk it over with Fugi. Fugi didn't come in until a few days after that initial period, and didn't get misled by that initial kerfuffle.

The same thing has happened, in reverse, with C-Worl. Certain vocal people decided early on that he was newbtown, and haven't wavered since.
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Post Post #823 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:58 am

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Catching up from the start of Day 2. There seem to have been 8 pages in 2 RL days, how fun.
Wraith wrote:If Pine flips scum I'm up for a Calcifer lynch tomorrow.
Interesting how you are trying to make sure a very townie looking player would go down if Pine flips scum. Also, hey, what if Pine doesn't flip scum?
Jerbs wrote:
Vote: Pine


As said by everyone else
Can people not see how scummy this guy is?
Parama wrote:Jerbs is scum with Pine.
Hmm... I can see this. Although personally, I would vote Jerbs first. Simple logic: Jerbs looks scummy regardless of Pine's alignment.
@Parama 628: This looks very good too. I'm glad people have finally noticed Jerbs.
Calcifer wrote:So your entire case on us is that
1) We play like crackheads.
2) We don't give reasoning.

Is there an other significant points we're missing?
Hiraki's "case" wasn't one. But I do have a complaint. I found a contradiction in your posts. See here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2876050

I wouldn't mind, but I asked earlier, and you have not replied.
Romanus wrote:I can give reasons, but mainly it has to do with the voting record from yesterday. Don't really want to say any more than that atm.

Vote: Parama
How about you give reasons anyways
Pine wrote:The way I see it, Parama, you make a habit of misrepresenting whoever you see as vulnerable, ignoring anything that contradicts your premise, and trying as hard as you can to skim others' reasons, distill them, and present them as your own in an effort to win their support. And when anyone appears to be honestly scumhunting or willing to declare support or condemnation for someone you disagree with, you go ahead and paint them blackly too.

All that is remarkably scummy, and I'm surprised that only I saw it in Day One. Though I'm not surprised that a replacement, who read the thread without preconceived notions, saw what I did.
Actually, it is more of a playstyle tell than a alignment tell.
Antihero wrote:Rationale for Jerbs would be awesome.
Seriously? Are you his buddy?
diddin wrote:Not really. You read like town pushing your reads really hard. I don't think scum would intentionally connect themselves to a buddy so much so early D1.
I agree with this. Main reason I have a townread on Calcifer. Regardless of his contradiction on D1 (I would still like an explanation on that).


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Post Post #824 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:06 am

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