There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[Wraith]

Pine is being framed. I drop my suspicions against him.

Vote: Calcifer

Oh hey! But you aren't.

VOTE: Wraith

Also, if you actually think I'm being framed, why would you vote for the only person who is putting it all on the line for me?

You Cop softclaimed and contradicted said claim in one post.

Oh hey! Add a couple more softclaims in the subsequent posts. Flailing to stay alive.

Short answer: buddying scum

Long Answer: Calcifer softclaimed a PR D1 when he declared you confirmed town. If I were scum, I would have killed Calcifer that first night, no question. Calcifer was not targeted and is still alive, before he refuted his softclaim. So, first evidence: He's buddying you, who is being framed as scum by the scumteam. When you flip town he'll go "Totally called it guys. Gimme townpoints." Second evidence: He softclaimed PR and is still alive. Third evidence: He lied about being a PR.

Simple Answer: I'm not the Cop. There, I solved it for you.

[Romanus]

Long Answer: Calcifer softclaimed a PR D1 when he declared you confirmed town. If I were scum, I would have killed Calcifer that first night, no question. Calcifer was not targeted and is still alive, before he refuted his softclaim. So, first evidence: He's buddying you, who is being framed as scum by the scumteam. When you flip town he'll go "Totally called it guys. Gimme townpoints." Second evidence: He softclaimed PR and is still alive. Third evidence: He lied about being a PR.

Simple Answer: I'm not the Cop. There, I solved it for you.

[Calcifer]

Romanus is failing. Badly.
I'm only questioning whether he's failtown or failscum.

Also:

In my circles, we have a tell called "OMG, the doctor's dead." It usually occurs right after the pronouncement of some town aligned role has been killed, and most especially a power town role. A way of buddying up with the town. "He can't be scum, look how concerned he is about <insert town role> dying."

How did Jerbs flip VT? Was that mistake on the mod's part? Le soupir.

So, you've got a slight Icey suspicion (total fail) and a silver suspicion (still fail), but don't mention Hiraki doing exactly the same thing?

Can I call the scumteam?
SCUM:
Antihero
Hiraki
Romanus
Wraith

At this point, that's probably least to most.

[Pine]

Pine,

who else is getting sucked in?

Everyone voting for Romanus. They're getting sucked into the Town vs. Town fight.

I thought that was reasonably obvious.

@Wraith: lolfail

@Calc: Like I said, I've got a strong Town read on Romanus. Look at Rom again without all the shit Silver has shoveled onto him.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

Everyone voting for Romanus

Let's see... people voting for Rom is.... me...
People voting for Rom yesterday is... me...

[Romanus]

So, you've got a slight Icey suspicion (total fail) and a silver suspicion (still fail), but don't mention Hiraki doing exactly the same thing?

I was examining the twilight posts. But you're right, Hiraki does somewhat the same thing, but I do think it is scummier in twilight than at dawn for obvious reasons.

Also, sorry about my last fail post. I hit submit before I was done. I wanted to add that it was an interesting argument and that I had given Calcifer a pass and needed to reevaluate my position on Calcifer.

[Pine]

@Silver:

Vote: Romanus

Obv

Romanus is on the scumlist

I could go against Romanus, too.

I want EPM and Romanus DEAD.

Plus the avalanche of drivel you've shoveled against Rom.

[Wraith]

Pine,

who else is getting sucked in?

Everyone voting for Romanus. They're getting sucked into the Town vs. Town fight.

I thought that was reasonably obvious.

@Wraith: lolfail

@Calc: Like I said, I've got a strong Town read on Romanus. Look at Rom again without all the shit Silver has shoveled onto him.

The bolded is called

tunnel vision

. It occurs when you are so convinced that someone is scum you absolutely refuse to consider any other arguments, and/or consider everything that that person posts to be a lie.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine
1. You said VOTED
2. Icey UNVOTED
3. So my case and reasoning has solely been the reason why multiple others have suspicions of rom? So rom hasn't acted scummy at all on his own?
4. If you wanna throw evidence as drivel with no explanation and claim rom town through no explanation, you go right ahead, you are getting a tad defensive of him though bud.

[Pine]

Split some more hairs, Silver. Your case on Romanus has gotten 4 other people suspicious of a Townie. He's done a few things that were slightly scummy, but your case has magnified those and minimized the larger number of pro-Town things he's done.

And yes. Like Calcifer, Icey, Hiraki, and half a dozen other cases in this thread alone, I defend my strong town reads.

[silverbullet999]

You seemed to miss the point of 4

pro-Town things he's done

Expand on this.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Vote: Pine

That's not moving. See you in 72 hours.

~Pie

[Pine]

Oh hey! THB's going for two mislynches in a row!

You seemed to miss the point of 4

pro-Town things he's done

Expand on this.

I thought about just saying "no" and reminding you that the burden of proof is on you, but what the hell. Sure. I'll do it in a little while when I have time to put up a wall. I don't at the moment.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Oh hey! THB's going for two mislynches in a row!

Just one head. I still don't endorse this vote.

Don't much care for the Wraith wagon either, for what it's worth.

When I have time this weekend I'm going to look at the two lynch wagons (and maybe some other wagons but mostly the lynch ones since we know the alignment of the lynchee) and find some scum.

~Fugi

[Pine]

You two confuse the hell out of me.

[silverbullet999]

-Pine

the burden of proof is on you

Glad you didn't say this because you would be wrong... as I've given cases that you called dribble... stated that my case has gotten 4 others suspicious of him... and also stated that my case reveals "maginifies" his scummy actions.

#884 just looks weird the more i read it...

[nhammen]

Well, I was going to make more posts yesterday, but SOMEONE decided to hammer after the day had been open for just over 48 hours. So, in case you wanted to see what I wrote at the end of the day, here it is:


I just realized that Anti's opinion of Jerbs has been a contradiction. At first he says that Jerbs is scummy for riding the common wave of thought. Then, after Romanus says that Wraith and Jerbs are his other top suspects, Anti asks what the rationale for voting Jerbs is, while completely forgetting that up to that point, Jerbs is the only player that he had been suspicious of, and that he had posted a rationale for voting Jerbs himself. So what is the explanation for this, Anti? Were you just faking your suspicion of Jerbs?

Day just started and you're already abandoning the wagon. Great job scum, please come again.
Though now I am INCREDIBLY wary about the Jerbs wagon... eh, bussing and all that is probably a factor here.

^Delayed OMGUS. "Great! He's no longer voting for me, so I can begin tearing him down without looking scummier."

Ummm.. huh? You are accusing someone of OMGUSing an unvote? Seriously?

Pine: The whole point is that Romanus did exactly what he accuses me of doing... at the same time he accused me of it!

Is hypocrisy a scumtell? If so why?

ignore this, since he is no longer able to answer

AGar? Lolz. Idiots are PR hunting.

Can't be Calcifer, he'd be better at it than that.

Interesting idea. Why do you think AGar's kill was based on PR hunting? Did you spot PR tells from AGar?

Lurked, made 'catchup soon;' comments, then voted for friend in a vote that said "oh person X is scum, VOTE: Y"

And then lurked to the lynch.

Scummy as HELL

I honestly can't remember a single contribution from EPM. This is quite scummy.

Friend (7): silverbullet999, AGar,

Parama, Wraith

, Pine, C-worl, Iceycupcake

Pine (7) : Diddin (2), Empking,

Parama, Wraith

, Jerbs, Evilpacman18

AGar's confirmed town, obviously. Pine's town, too. C-worl is newb-town, Icey is obv-town. Silver I've got a town-read on. So, where are the scum? It really leaves only Wraith and Parama.
On Pine--Diddin's prob-town with the double-vote ability. Empking's prob-town, too. Evil's prob-town as well. Leaving Parama, Wraith, and Jerbs as scumspects. Note Wraith and Parama's voting pattern.

How is EPM prob-town?


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And then I tried to post this and found out that the topic was locked. That makes me so happy!! [/sarcasm]

tl;dr
I still haven't gotten an answer from Calcifer about his contradiction on D1, and I do not expect to. He still appears townie for the most part, but his refusal to answer seriously bugs me. But now I have a few more things: Antihero had a contradiction regarding his opinion on Jerbs,and I would very much like an answer for this. The other thing, I would like Fugi to explain WHY IN THE HECK he hammered after day had been open for just over 48 hours!! I cannot see why this hammer makes any sense from a town perspective. Until I get that explanation (and probably after), I will
VOTE: TwoHeaded

I guess that wasn't really a tl;dr...

[TwoHeadedBoy]

The other thing, I would like Fugi to explain WHY IN THE HECK he hammered after day had been open for just over 48 hours!! I cannot see why this hammer makes any sense from a town perspective. Until I get that explanation (and probably after), I will
VOTE: TwoHeaded

¯\(°_o)/¯

He seemed pretty conclusively scum and everyone else was dancing around the hammer when he clearly wasn't going to say anything. I'm mean his fucking post said "I'm a VT." No need to drag things out. Also, it pissed Pie off because he told me I couldn't vote that day. You can get your answers today, no need to throw a fit, your vote on us seems like a massive overreaction IMVHO - you still got your mini wall in and he was going to get lynched anyway. I'm keeping an eye on you for that vote, by the way. Call it an OMGUS if you want, but I rarely see votes on Day 3 with so few reasons and such poor reasoning as this. Your suspicion feels forced and feigned.

~Fugi

P.S. You can abbreviate our name THB (The Hammer Bros.) if you want, it's a lot shorter than TwoHeaded. 2HB is cool too.

[Pine]

In all fairness to THB, I was getting ready to hammer too. And Hiraki is apparently broken in disbelief that Jerbs flipped Town. He really didn't help his case, there.

[nhammen]

I guess the fact that I hadn't finished my catchup may have an effect on this, but I still think that a hammer that quickly is pretty bad. There may be a such thing as too much discussion, but we had not gotten anywhere close to that yet. More discussion would have been a good thing.

[Wraith]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Jerbs lynch. His play was crap, his claim was crap, and he didn't even bother to defend himself or scumhunt. If someone else hadn't hammered I would have.

[C-Worl]

Vote: Pine

He
s highly condescending and hypocritical. Also, so many people have claimed him to be town that I generally want to lynch him just to see how he flips.

[IceyCupcake]

Hey guys.

Evil Packman is still playing the game.

Interesting, right?

[Pine]

Vote: Pine

He
s highly condescending and hypocritical. Also, so many people have claimed him to be town that I generally want to lynch him just to see how he flips.

In other words,

[C-Worl]

Call it what ever you want, I'm tired of playing with you. Especially when Calcifer has his dick swinging to fight off anyone who dareth to mention your name.