There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[silverbullet999]

*by emp i mean epm* I disagree about the douche tell though fugi

[Hiraki]

SILVER. FFS. I KNOW THIS'LL GET OUT OF HAND QUICK, SO LET'S STOP THAT ARGUMENT THERE.

Unvote

Brb pt2.

[silverbullet999]

ehmmm ....

what argument?

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Just drop it, bro.

~Fugi

[silverbullet999]

fugi's use of the word bro means... impending doom death and chaos... ?

[diddin]

unvote

Claiming at like L-5 reads pretty newbtownie to me.

double Vote: EvilPacMan

Me thinks he needs a bit more pressure. His catchup wall was pathetic.

The one thing I hate about being pretty much confirmed town is I lose my drive to do any work. I'll try to do a catchup post looking into Romanus tomorrow.

If anyone cares, I got a new laptop. It's gonna take forever to get used to the new keyboard.

[Pine]

Claiming at L-5

does

sound newbTown. It plays in

perfectly

with C-Worl

abusing

the fact that a third or so of you dismiss all of his scum tells as newbishness.

[C-Worl]

If you noticed I dropped all my suspicions of Pine. You're ALL full of fail and it saddens me that you're going to give scum an easy win with the way things have been going.

So you're appealing to the reason everyone found you suspicious? What were the reasons you dropped your suspicion?

(Sorry if you said somewhere, I might have missed it.)

~Fugi

Calcifer mainly. I think he's prolly scum (Though no one listens to me) so his defense of Pine being town would be pretty stupid if Pine was scum. If Calcifer is town then that means he probably have a read. However, it's been about 2 weeks since we were originally promised a wall explaining his reads. Which is why I'm leaning toward Calcifer=scum. However, either way I realized Pine would most likely be town.

[C-Worl]

Claiming at L-5

does

sound newbTown. It plays in

perfectly

with C-Worl

abusing

the fact that a third or so of you dismiss all of his scum tells as newbishness.

That's assuming I'm brilliant enough to plant each post in such a way that it would look newbish, which would require me to be one of the best players here. Instead, I've gotten pissed off by newbish label. I'm not abusing anything and you've developed tunnel vision.

[Pine]

Hardly. I left your case alone for days until it was brought up by others.

Besides, I never said you weren't clever. Cleverness, brilliance, and experience are all mutually exclusive.

[Pine]

If you want to see an example of

actual

tunnel vision, ISO Empking. Decided I was scum on page 6 using a very thin premise (trying too hard? Really?) and hasn't done practically anything else to advance the game except post once every two or three days to avoid prod.

[C-Worl]

Apparently you misunderstood. You are claiming that I'm abusing the label of newbtown, correct? Well, for me to abuse it I would have to make conscientious decisions on very post on how to make them look newbish. EX: I would know that early claiming is a newbish thing to do and thus do it because of which.

In other words you are calling me clever because the only way for me to abuse that label without claiming that ;abel is doing things to fit that label, which would require me to have thoroughly thought out every post of mine in this game.

[Pine]

The idea that you've thoroughly thought out every post in the game is laughable. My theory actually states the opposite: that you make occasional calculated and clever newb mistakes, in order to give you the license not to carefully plan each post.

[C-Worl]

Your theory is actually the most laughable theory. And if you pay attention o all my other games I'm in you'll see that my play style in all of them is the same.

[nhammen]

What. Do you really think that this is a good reason for any kind of vote? If so, why? If not, then why did you place your vote there?

Honestly, the condescending attitude is more or less me not liking him but his lynch would help out the game in a lot of ways. Depending on how he flips we can figure out if Calcifer was full of shit or not and it might get Calcifer to finally explain himself. After, I placed my vote on him I also realized that a wagon on him might get him to stop avoiding Silver's questions and actually answer them. A Pine lynch will also send a message that we are getting sick and tired of people who don't answer our questions which may lead to Antihero explaining himself as well. BC, right now, all these town/scum list that people have built without explanations, all it does is hurt the game. Especially when you have people like Calcifer who derail wagons without a justifiable reason why. Pine's death might actually give us stuff to work on.

Lynching for connections can be a good strategy to use when you have no substantial scum reads. But, not when you do have scumreads. And by D3 you should have some scumreads.

Pine is being framed. I drop my suspicions against him.

Vote: Calcifer

Not following this. Of all the people to vote, you pick his biggest defender? Considering you believe he was framed, that doesn't make much sense.

He has said he believes Pine is being framed by Calcifer...

Wraith's 875 isn't that great. Your discounting different possibilities - that Calcifer would softclaim a PR to give his reads more credibility and/or draw a night kill,

This is actually the precise possibility that he does account for. Because he softclaimed so hard, that if neither Pine nor Calcifer were scum, that should have drawn a NK. But I will admit that you have a point with the rest of the possibilities.

Okay, Romanus' first post is #633.
I'll admit, right up front, that this is where I started liking Romanus as Town. First post and he defends a Townie getting wagoned on. Scum would have NO reason to do this. I can't even think of a good WIFOM reason. He just replaced in, it would be

seamless

to jump on my wagon.

Scum always have good reasons to defend a townie. Have you not seen my questions against Antihero? Why do you think I am pushing this? How about this: 1) Scum don't want to have the entire scumteam be on a mislynch wagon. 2) Scum want to defend a townie in case the townie isn't lynched, so that if the scum flips as scum, people can see the connections between the flipped scum and the living townie, and draw incorrect conclusions (this is one reason for buddying) 3) Scum want to not be on a mislynch wagon, so that they can try and pin the people on the wagon as being scummy.

Unless there's already quite a few scum on the wagon, or he's trying to avoid obvious behavioral tells.

[Winger] had quite a few.

Romanus is scum too.

This too.

@Icey 956: Good Rom case.

Honestly, he's probably not scum (as much as I hate to admit it) his wagon built up quickly day 2, that really only effectively happens when scum are busing it, and that quickly at the beginning of the day indicates that scum were probably busing.

I don't get what you are saying here. Jerbs' wagon took 48 hours to build up, and he was not scum.

Well either way the argument was over by the time you posted. Also, I posted my scum reads (as per your request) in Hiraki, Calcifer, and Silver. But I'm a give and take type of guy so what reads do you have diddin and why? Also, if you have any thoughts on my suspicions they're more than welcome.

Two things:
1) Because the argument is over, he is not allowed to use it as evidence? What kinda shit are you smoking?
2) You have 3 scum suspects, and yet, are not voting any of them. Instead you voted for Pine, who it should be clear, has become a wagon that nobody will join. At this point, you had unvoted, but since you do have scumreads, why did you do this in the first place?

vote: Pine

Wraith is probably scum.

This, which came a week out of absolutely nowhere. Where you in fact vote for someone else despite thinking me scum. I guess the Pine-wagon was a-rolling-rolling.

Why is nobody mentioning Wraith?

Why is evilpacman not making a case on Wraith but pushing his lynch?

Still haven't lynched Wraith? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why we haven't. Let's do this.

Still pushing the Wraith wagon? I bet I'm gonna read the last 20 pages and not see one reason why evilpacman thinks we should. Let's do this.

Absolutely true.

Hiraki is town, though I'd love to see his additional input.

Antihero is... hmmmmmmmmm

nhamman looks suspiciously like scum if romanus is scum.

romanus/winger need to DIE.

EmpKing is SCUM

These are important pieces of information for us.

I'm glad someone is at least commenting on Anti. I don't know about looking like scum if rom is scum, but if he does flip scum, then me looking scummy is a good price to pay for catching scum. And as for Empking, I completely forgot he was in this game. Where has he been?

Yeah I have no excuse. Wait. Maybe I do. Will you accept "it was 3:30 AM" as one?

This proves EPM as town.

I'd be willing to join EPM for pressure. Don't like his reasons though.

This does not prove EPM as town. Also, being willing to join the wagon for pressure, even after he has been "confirmed" town is a bit odd.

Wraith claim makes sense.

Calcifer mainly. I think he's prolly scum (Though no one listens to me) so his defense of Pine being town would be pretty stupid if Pine was scum. If Calcifer is town then that means he probably have a read. However, it's been about 2 weeks since we were originally promised a wall explaining his reads. Which is why I'm leaning toward Calcifer=scum. However, either way I realized Pine would most likely be town.

You should have realized that when you posted a scumlist that didn't include Pine, but you were still voting him.

The idea that you've thoroughly thought out every post in the game is laughable. My theory actually states the opposite: that you make occasional calculated and clever newb mistakes, in order to give you the license not to carefully plan each post.

I highly doubt this is occurring. And if it is, then C-worl is an incredible faker, in which case why not fake town, instead of newbtown.

[nhammen]

Oops! On the second to last point I made an error. When he posted the scumlist that did not include Pine, C-worl unvoted. The argument still stands, since he had assumedly had those scumreads already.

Also
UNVOTE:
I would vote EPM here, but that wall he produced was too crazy to be from scum

[nhammen]

Actually, wait a second! I am falling for the too scummy to be scum fallacy!

VOTE: EPM

[C-Worl]

Actually, it doesn't stand bc for a long time before that post Pine was on my scum list. When he moved off it is when I made that post. Also, as far as the post that you didn't understand. I was talking about Pine's wagon and not Jerbs. Pine's wagon on D2 built up extremely fast at the very beginning of the day which is why he's probably not scum. Scum were most likely trying to bus a quick lynch of him. I understand why you got confused and I apologize for not making my point a little clearer.

[Pine]

The WIFOM nuggets sprinkled liberally throughout nhammen's big post are not to my liking. At all.

Also, C-Worl's last post seems to be suggesting that I'm not scum because the D2 wagon was an effort to bus...which is it, C-Worl? Or are you mixing up your scum motives and your Town cover-story motives?

[Calcifer]

Unvote

.

I believe the Wraith claim, because it makes perfect sense to me.

...What

doesn't

make sense is how Wraith was the person who made most sense as being scum by VCA, and now he can't be. :/

Vote: Romanus

for now. (Nacho, you can decide differently if you want to.)

[IceyCupcake]

Romanus is the perfect person to be scum.

Period.

[IceyCupcake]

nhammen is also the perfect person to be scum. Votes on either are :goodposting:

[Pine]

Romanus is Town. nhammen hasn't gotten much attention, and his posts seem very...agenda-driven. Looks like the C-Worl train is stalling again. Wish you people would make up your mind about him.

UNVOTE: C-Worl One of these days you'll make a slip big enough to get through even the thick skulls of the people who insist on your innocence.
VOTE: nhammen

[C-Worl]

The WIFOM nuggets sprinkled liberally throughout nhammen's big post are not to my liking. At all.

Also, C-Worl's last post seems to be suggesting that I'm not scum because the D2 wagon was an effort to bus...which is it, C-Worl? Or are you mixing up your scum motives and your Town cover-story motives?

What are you asking here?

[Pine]

You seem to have made a Freudian slip in 1042. I wasn't

asking

anything, the question was rhetorical.