Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

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2. DarlaBlueEyes (SE)

You gotta be kidding me.

Also, one of the surprisingly many SE's reporting in.

@mod: Do pre-game votes count?

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Twistedspoon replaces DarlaBlueEyes.

And all was good in the world again <3

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Vote: tylerjarvis

Scum.

o rly?

VOTE: RayFrost

You know more than Ray does?

because voting for rayfrost or toxic is confusing.

Sure didn't take you long to be convinced otherwise.

Twisted is town, hooray!

Vote: jindori

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Unvote; Vote: toxic

That's how you do it, folks.

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And here I thought we were dealing with a game of informed minority versus uninformed majority. Simple scum pm usually leads to maximum alignment knowledge in a Newbie Game.

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My, my. Somebody's getting feisty over one vote. Frosty being the main wagon at the moment indicates that people obviously do care about his shenanigans.

For people who haven't yet noticed and who have yet to post: We're already steering into srz bzns, so don't pretend otherwise.

pedit: Changing quotes is scummy.

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Hold your horses there.

Unvote

No need for L-1 with several people not having said anything.

Twisted, why did you answer something that was obviously aimed at jindori? On that note, what do you think of jindori so far?

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Meh, totally forgot about this one. And now it's late.

Post will come tomorrow afternoonish. And I have things to say. Oh yes, just you wait!

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Alright, what's all this then here, eh?

Making unneccessarily vague posts is the key to victory? I'm not quite so sure about that.

It takes all kinds, doesn't it?

First off, ajolin's #68 and #69 are just terribad. He comes in with a vote on Ray (RVS? Or maybe the biggest wagon from where he left off reading?) only to switch over to the biggest wagon, putting him at L-1, with a lot of words but zero reasons. Lots of scumminess in this one.

From what I've seen so far of the Ray and Twisted exchange, this is usually town vs. town. There's a lot of "No U!" and "tunneling" going on because both are simply convinced the other is scum and they're doing everything to prove themselves right, no matter how much stubbornness is needed for that.
Twisted comes out worse in the exchange, but then again Ray is the more experienced player.

Where #103 ranks in the greater context, remains to be seen.

ajolin's lining up lynches continues his saying bad things streak. We do not line up lynches without info. We do not draw connections between two players and treat them as confirmed without any flips. We do not offer ourselves as lynches if we are town.

pedit: *facepalm*

Alright, let me stop here about ajolin. Post's getting long enough as it is. Just a couple of things and then I'll jump back in on a regular basis.

- There is way, way too much setup speculation and far too little scumhunting going on in this thread.

- KittyMo: Quick question. Why do you put things into spoiler tags that are a) obviously relevant to your post and b) include your own responses instead of simple rehashings of old things? It's really irritating.

- What do scum like to do, when there's a huge One-on-one going on? They're staying under the radar and slipping on one of the wagons.

- Voidedmafia is happily joining every setup discussion but has done zero scumhunting so far.

Unvote; Vote: Voidedmafia

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Well, if it's discussion that dissuades bad ideas, isn't that something good to talk about?

It's also a super way to appear active, a good way to not mess up and a nice way to avoid scumhunting.

@ajolin
Why would you wanna die? Bored of the game? Or are you simply penitent scum?

@Ray
I always look at the intent. You can be wrong in your reads, you can be wrong in your way of scumhunting. But the most important thing as town is that you try to work to find scum. And Twisted comes off as town who's trying badly to prove to anybody that he's found scum in you. And toxic.

Who do you find shady apart from Twisted?

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As for your accusation, I'm simply focusing on dissuading Ajol and anyone else of that course of action. I tend to focus on one subject at a time, but please don't take it like I'm not trying to scumhunt

Then by all means, do everyone a favor and start scumhunting.

Also, I said it's town vs. town because they did resort to tunneling and "No U". Just look at Ray, he's so tunneled into twisted that he completely lacks of other reads.

@Ray
According to your Iso, one might get the feeling your read on toxic is more than "slightly townish". Any reason why you left Kitty and me out of your null fest?

A propos, Kitty: Good to see you back. IC input always appreciated.

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It's indicative of the fact that I haven't really gotten enough posting to read some/most of the players in this game.

But that's exactly what I'm saying.

@ajolin
You weren't afraid to put toxic at L-1 in your second post. Seems contradictory to your caution now.
As a general rule, don't be afraid of voting to make a statement. And Voided is an especially good place to make a statement.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I got my own Newbie Game to prepare

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Dekes. How is your point that I

have no other reads

reinforced by my stating

I have town reads

? Srsly.

My point is that your focus on Twisted has hindered you in getting clearer reads on other people.

Did anyone get a town read from Voided's unnecessarily long rehash of the game that is nothing more but building up a case on Twisted based on hipocrisy, and fencesitting on everything else?

So, Vote: Twistedspoon, for hypocrisy

and further actions that add on to you being scummy.

Now here's a man of clear words. Can you point out these further actions, please?

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The effort is immense, I'll give you that. But then again, momentum seems to be shifting towards a Voided wagon. Better to start showing some effort now before it's too late.

Anyway, I'll wait for the others to join in the discussion for now.

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Lurking doesn't help either alignment.

As scum, you will be called out on it sooner or later.

As town, you get of your way on getting your opinions out. In return it's harder to get a read on you. And that will cast suspicion on you.

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Well, if you actually bothered to look at the quotes from Ray I linked, there's your answer -_-.

And Kitty asked me for elaboration on what I thought of the whole Toxic argument, and I gave it. You also asked (well, told) me to scumhunt, and I just did. If you would like me to give my reads, you can ask a little bit nicer.

And, mind telling me where exactly the momentum for my wagon is coming from? Only vote on me is yours.

I don't want quotes by Ray. I want to hear it from you and in your own words. And keep it concise, please.

Yes, I'm not asking people in a game of mafia to scumhunt, I'm telling them to. Dealwithit.

If three people were voting you right now, it would be already a wagon and not momentum.

@David
What Ray said. Any posts that substantiate your reads?


Input by Toxic and Twisted is in order, I think we all agree on that. Also, jindori seems to be slipping under the radar.

@jindori
How up to date is you ajolin vote? In your scenario you claim our best bet would be to vote Twisted today. So why's your vote not on him? Also, do you think it's wise to line up lynches on Day 1? And do you think it's wise to base your hopes on a cop in the setup?

pedit:
Why, thank you, ajolin! But you should really finish that re-read and give us your opinions as unbiased as possible.

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Unvote; Vote: jidori

Jindori, answer the questions in #197, please. Additionally, is it pressure you want or are you content with a lynch now that you've put him at L-1? What games of Ray are you referring to seeing you haven't played a game with him so far (unless you're an alt >_>)?

Voidedmafia looks better for now. It looks like a sincere case on Twisted.

Kittymo, time to make some statements. Your game so far has been sort of passive and cautious. And your vote on Xanatos looks like a safely parked vote in the middle of nowhere considering you haven't addressed Xanatos in quite some time. Still happy with that vote?

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Why do you feel you had to excuse that you didn't change your vote off of ajolin earlier?

And you didn't answer my question whether you would be okay with seeing Twisted getting lynched soon.

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Wow. Without a claim. Much to learn you rookies have.

Seriously, guys, what the fuck!?

The only thing that'll save you is a scum flip of Twisted. Btw, jindori looks far scummier than ajolin.

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You better be scum pulling a really ridiculous excuse. No townie can be that naive.

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So you want me to ask Ray about an ongoing game where neither of you has flipped yet to make me believe what you say? I'm gonna go with "no" here.

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Voidedmafia, I thought you were fairly certain that Twisted was scum. You can't be that upset about the lynch, can you?

KittyMo, reads before the lynch scene, please. Just in case, you might suffer the IC fate.

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Oh yeah, if Twisted comes in and claims some sort of PR: He's dead anyway so no one counterclaim anything.

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What are your thoughts on this?

I don't think one person's reads will impact the NK that much. Let's just hope you're alive tomorrow.

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BAH!

@mod
Is there a dead topic or did you plan on making one?

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Ajolin, playing for fun and taking this game lightly does not mean it's fun for the others if you ruin the game for them. Something to think about.

Oh, a chainsaw? I feel flattered. GG Ray and Voided.

Thanks for modding, Tasky.