Open 297 - Twofold Mafia (Game Over)

IceGuy · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:46 am

/confirm

IceGuy · Post Post #45 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:56 pm

VOTE: don_johnson

Everybody with "Don" before his name is obviously mafia.

IceGuy · Post Post #65 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:56 am

Amrun wrote:That's so stupid. I could just as easily cheat with anyone I meet ON site...

I'm not a cheater.

Still, I assume there is a greater psychological barrier against, say, sending a PM to a fellow mafia member during day phase than talking to him in person.

IceGuy · Post Post #76 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:17 am

don_johnson wrote: invitations to join my voting block are going out to:

What is a "voting block"?

IceGuy · Post Post #111 (isolation #4) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:55 am

{b]Unvote[/b]

(vote was in RVS)

IceGuy · Post Post #112 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:55 am

I failed. EBWOP:

Unvote

IceGuy · Post Post #114 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:29 am

Nikanor wrote:Ice, you've got several years of irl mafia experience, yet you aren't even trying to find scum. Why is that?

Not posting about my current suspicions does not mean I don't have some. But as you're asking, here are my current thoughts:

I'm pretty sure the voting block has one or two scum in it. At this point in the game, the scum factions are interested in keeping each other around, because (random) night kills hit townies with a high probability. So I can see one scum faction trying to give the other an easy excuse to vote for a townie by starting a voting block, and also seeing who the players of the other faction are by voting patterns later in the game (if one has been lynched).

don_johnson wrote: ice and jak: a voting block is a group of players who commit to voting together. it creates a power dynamic that can ultimately help find scum and secure a lynch, especially on day 1. oh, i see con jumped in on that one. i will not discuss more of it until it becomes relevant.

Also, this strikes me as odd. If he's trying to get as many townies as possible into his voting block, why does he not reveal what he's trying to accomplish?

IceGuy · Post Post #122 (isolation #7) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:32 am

Nikanor wrote: If you think that one or two people in the voting bloc are scum, why aren't you voting for one of those people?

Amrun wrote:Ice, why the unspecific suspicions? If one or two people in the bloc are scum, WHICH ONES?

I don't know which of them are. Also, I've lost count of the other votes.

Mod: VC please

IceGuy · Post Post #131 (isolation #8) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:02 am

neko2086 wrote: Ice, it seems very odd that you don't have a specific idea of who might be scum on bloc. Didn't you say that scum might want to start the bloc for x and y reasons? If any scum are on there, either one of them must be don, or they are on there by total accident. So specifically, why are you not voting don?

Not necessarily start, but maybe join or profit from.

I'm not voting for don simply because he seems to try to start a voting block in any game he's in, so I don't see it as a scumtell in his case.

IceGuy · Post Post #134 (isolation #9) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:32 am

neko2086 wrote: Ice--but you weren't talking about joining or profiting from the voting bloc, you were talking about there already being scum
on
the bloc. If that were so, don would have to be one of them and chosen others, or, if don were town, he'd have chosen scum by complete accident, so... how is it you feel so confident there is scum on bloc?

I've shared my thoughts on why a voting bloc(k) can be useful for scum above.

IceGuy · Post Post #147 (isolation #10) » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:41 pm

don_johnson wrote:hows about you just give me the highlights?

voting block is a go.

vote: jakalope

better get to work on that meta research.

You are aware that you just put him at L-1 with no justification whatsoever?

ThAdmiral wrote: Jackalope today, iceguy tomorrow is a go.

This game is going to be easy!

Yeah, for scum, if the voting bloc(k) keeps lynching random people.

IceGuy · Post Post #181 (isolation #11) » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:30 am

@don_johnson: What is your opinion in regard to andrew94?

@andrew94: What is your opinion in regard to don_johnson?

IceGuy · Post Post #193 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:46 am

Nikanor wrote: Excuse #1: He says that he's not voting for one of the people in the voting bloc because he doesn't know which one is scum. That's BS. If he was at least trying to figure out which person in the bloc to vote for, this excuse would be valid. But he's not trying to figure out the scum in the bloc, meaning that this is just an excuse for not voting and nothing more.

What do you think I'm doing in post 181? (And why is it not scummy that none of them answered?)

Excuse #2: He says that he can't vote because he doesn't know the vote count. More BS. All he would have to do would be look at the last vote count and he'd see that not one of the people in the bloc are in danger of being lynched.

You are aware that I was missing the vote count because it was not posted by then, and a bunch of unvotes and votes before the last VC were making it impossible to follow?

Anyway,

Vote: andrew94

I still don't see why I'm getting bandwagoned, whereas somebody whose entire posts are reproduced below doesn't:

andrew94 wrote:/confirm

vote thadmiral

you know why..

andrew94 wrote:
neko2086 wrote:
vote: Mist
for having the same letter to number ratio in her name

Conspiracy, were you trying to start the game a little early there?
for some reason, i didnt see the whole of page 2.
but hi here mr hypocrite Oo

andrew94 wrote:/join block

vote conspiracy

@ that guy, your name also has 4 letters and 4 numbers, was that supposed to be a joke

andrew94 wrote:
vote the jakalope

gut

andrew94 wrote:no thejakalope is scum./
lynch him

andrew94 wrote:v/la today

andrew94 wrote:don johnson placing thejakapole is pro town

mist accusing don johnson after thejakalope is scum.
therefore, if the jakalope is town, mist is scum
if the jakalope is scum, mist is still scum

@that guy, there will be no 'accidental hammer'.
iceguy said he was at L1. anyone who hammers will get instant lynched the next day, and if hes town (cough blacklist etc)

@scott bro: i dont need reasons..

andrew94 wrote:that point that i dont need reasons was referring to scott brosius.

i didnt see your gender, my bad.
only scum needs to appear town.

andrew94 wrote:stop using big words. i have a certain set of standards that i use to say whos town etc

andrew94 wrote:big words as in 'anti town' etc.

andrew94 wrote:
andrew94 wrote:don johnson placing thejakapole is pro town

note: i meant to say at L1 BEFORE 'IS PRO TOWN'./
iceguy should have got this
fluff posting etc

unvote vote iceguy

fos mist

That's not even

trying

. He's voting with no justification whatsoever for everybody who is or was near lynch, and that's NOT scummy?

IceGuy · Post Post #196 (isolation #13) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:33 am

Scott Brosius wrote:Mist has done the same thing IceGuy why not vote her?

Because I only have one vote.

IceGuy · Post Post #210 (isolation #14) » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:01 pm

I'm a Vanilla Townie, and I still don't understand why non-scum votes for me.

IceGuy · Post Post #213 (isolation #15) » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:43 am

don_johnson wrote:we should be lynching jakalope.

Because ... ?

IceGuy · Post Post #246 (isolation #16) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:44 am

That's not the hammer, I'm at L-1 now.

andrew94 wrote: he just quotes all my posts and say 'this guy isnt even trying'.
how about check me out first before spurting BS.

I looked at all your posts. None of them were actually scumhunting - you just designated a random player as scum with no justification whatsoever.

But still,

Unvote

Vote: Amrun

Because you first say you think I'm town, and then you vote for me (because you think you hammered me).

IceGuy · Post Post #248 (isolation #17) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:52 am

Amrun wrote:I've always said you were scummy; the speed of your wagon made me doubt, but wagon speed is faress reliable with two scumteams.

I'd say it's more reliable, since more scum players can advance a wagon much faster. Also, you said, I quote:

Amrun wrote: Is everyone for an iceguy flip now?

Can we just vote yes or no?

NO ONE is opposed?

Makes me think he's town. :/

Nothing about wagon speed, just about how nobody seems to be opposed to my lynching. Why were you ready to hammer somebody whom you thought of as town, and had a pretty good argument for it?

You've been scummy and you're getting lynched for it. Hopefully you're scum.

I'm going to disappoint you there.

IceGuy · Post Post #257 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:31 pm

Amrun wrote:Your first point doesn't make sense. Yes, more scum teams make wagons go faster, so a fast wagon =\= town.

More scum teams make town wagons go faster, because there are four players who want that lynch badly. For scum, that would only be two players.

Also, if you hadn't figured it out by now, that was an intentional fakehammer.

Of course.

Reaction is scummy but not overly so. You didn't leave your reads, just kind of questioned WHY ME again.

Yeah, because no matter what I say or do, it is construed as "scummy".

Also, I've already left my reads several times in this thread and have made several suggestions on who may be scum and why, but you have chosen to ignore this and follow a "IceGuy is scum because IceGuy is scum"-type reasoning.

So...somebody else wanna try an "intentional" fakehammer?

IceGuy · Post Post #259 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:43 am

Amrun wrote:You've already been hammered, iirc.

No. ThAdmiral already had his vote on me before #250.

And all you've said is, "look, Andrew is scummier than me!"

I said, amongst other things, that Andrew actually showed the behavior I was accused of.

IceGuy · Post Post #261 (isolation #20) » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:15 am

Amrun wrote:You haven't just been accused of it; you've shown it.

Andrew may or may not be scum, but how woulld that excuse you from being scum?

As I said: I was accused of this behavior, but I did not show it. Or can you show me a player in this thread contributing significantly more to scumhunting than I did?