Open 297 - Twofold Mafia (Game Over)

[ConSpiracy]

/confirm

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You should probably make that ten confirms, just to make sure that at least one scum is actually playing the game when you start it.

Doesn't that give the scum more time for pre-talk?

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vote: Mist

for having the same letter to number ratio in her name

Conspiracy, were you trying to start the game a little early there?

Well, if it stops scum from talking before the game starts, why not?

VOTE: Mist
ThAdmiral, discuss this vote.

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Oh I agree, but did you think Nika was trying to draw out confirmation stage for that reason?

I just found it rather odd that he proposed it, but I highly doubt scum would do that.

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What's in a vote? That which we call a lynch
In any other game would be just as sweet*

*as in awesome

That is defenitely not satisfactoy.
Why was it made? Was it scummy?

While you are at it, I want you to discuss this post, as well:

ConSpiracy, why are you picking out ThAd? Feel free to wait until ThAd answers your question to answer mine, ofc.

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holy shit. didn't realize we started.

good player list.

invitations to join my voting block are going out to:

thad
conspiracy
andrew
scott brosius.

i'll catch up and post later.

Although I am honoured to be in your voting block, I am not going to vote in your block unless andrew gets out. He is far too lurky to vote for people with no reasons, he never posts reasons himself.

Let's go to the next one:
Scott Brosius, why aren't you voting for either IceGuy or Nikanor?
What do you consider as RVS?
Why is IceGuy scummy?
Who is andrew's scumbuddy?

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Because I like my vote where it is currently.

Other questions as well, please.

Voting block is a group of players voting for others to put pressure on them. They are all required to vote for the same target.

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i chose the players in my block based on my familiarity with them and my personal ability to read each of them. its not a "oh i think these guys are townie" list, its a "hey i've played with these guys, and when they are town they are generally good players and so i would like to give them the benefit of the doubt until i have reason to believe otherwise." kind of list.

did you think I was a good player? Thanksies! I didn't do very much good things in that game.

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Vote: conspiracy

Trying to hard

Oooh, love this.
Too town to be town.
I must be playing my best game ever.

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Aww, come on Jack...
I thought you would have learned from the newbie game you played with me.

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So Jack, show us some content.
Don't do as in that newbie and follow every one all the time.
You really should have learned from that game...

Amrun, top 3 scummy people plz.

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neko, can you give me a game that you played being town? And while you are at it, also one being scum?

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@ mod, I guess the question is stupid, but what does a bolded player mean? (In the votecount off course)

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*facepalm*
I must be very tired...

Mist are you going to do anything townish so I can get my vote of you?

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My initial vote was based on a misunderstanding. When he said, "Especially if you're scum," I took it as an accusation. TJ corrected me, but then went on to scum it up with his votes on ConSpiracy, so my vote stayed.

That is enough to say someone is scum? That statement looked very fake to me...

@ThAdmiral, can you explain the IceGuy-scum reason for me? I don't really get it apart from Ice talking fluff, which is done by half of the players in this thread.

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I GUESS
I CAN DO
THIS:

Unvote. Vote: IceGuy.

The TJ wagon has run its course. It will be a good source of information in later days, but I don't feel that he is the best lynch for today.
IceGuy, on the other hand, is a good lynch. He's not scumhunting, and seems to be making excuses to not scumhunt, which is scummy. When asked why he's not voting for someone in the (non-existent) voting bloc, he replies with, "I don't know which of them are [scum]. Also, I've lost count of the other votes." If he was interested in scumhunting in the slightest, he'd have just looked at the last vote count and seen that not one of the people in the bloc have many votes. Saying that he doesn't want to vote for someone because he doesn't know the vote count is a really bad excuse, and it becomes obvious that it is just an excuse when he doesn't vote for someone after Chevre provides a vote count.

Where is the TheJak is scum? Why are you switching votes for something the new votee did as the original votee? Hmmz...

For now, I'm still vainly hoping the jackalope will do ... Something. Anything, really.

TheJack, I showed you how to in the newbie. Now it is your turn to do something other than show someone voted for you under the excuse of a voting bloc.

And I still don't like andrew's easy bandwagoning.

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a) I'm not trying to argue that Jak is scum so I don't know why you're asking me that.
b) Jak isn't making excuses to not scumhunt. Ice is. That's why I switched over to Ice.
c) You're still scum. Are you Ice's buddy?

You said earlier that TheJack is scum, why do you crawl back from that statement that easily? I know you didn't say he was town, but you did vote IceGuy for:
- Not scumhunting (Jack doesn't either)
- Excuses. I want you to read this post:

This is more like you saying that "We are going to have to push 1 of these people off a bridge. Support me in attempting to push ConSpiracy off." and me telling you "Ok, but if someone asks me to push someone else off and they provide reasoning OR someone gives me a reason to support pushing them off, I'm going to support pushing that person off".

On top of that you said a Jack lynch gave us good source of information in later days. Which is better than Ice would give us at that time.

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I am getting annoyed of this game....
What is the purpose of hammering so fast in this game?
It hasn't even started, yet.

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Because you were acting scummy, herp derp.

But the wagon on you went soooo fast. Two scum teams means wagons on scum can go faster, but still...

*cough*Votingbloc*cough*

It is too easy for a voting block to build up a wagon.
Actually, I still get bored of andrew not doing a thing, but still voting in this block.
I want a counterwagon on him.

UNVOTE: Mist
VOTE: andrew

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So andrew, are you going to participate?

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So...somebody else wanna try an "intentional" fakehammer?

I'm sorry, I can't.

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Lolwut?
I am being voted because of some bad vote count analysis and because I am more active than others?
Let me catch up a bit tomorrow, I must have missed something.

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Mogri is right.
VOTE: Andrew

Do the math andrew:
- No lynch (seer, cop, 2 mafia, 2 werewolves)
- crosskill (seer, cop, mafia, werewolves)
They should crosskill again for town to win.

-Lynch (seer, cop, (1/2) mafia, (1/2) werewolves)
- crosskill (seer, cop, mafia, werewolves)

And since you said this:

and lol stop pretending to be town. theres only 2 town.

It isn't quite that hard, is it?

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UNVOTE: andrew

At least one of andrew and don_jonson is scum (andrew got a guilty on don_jonson)
At least one of don_jonson and jak is scum (don_jonson got a guilty on jak)
A least one of andrew and mogri is scum (mogri can't be cop as andrew stated)

Every body unvote till don_jonson gives a response on this question:
don_jonson, night actions?

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Lolololol, mafia slip!

Nice try, wolf. Now hang.

No counterclaims needed, we are lynching don today.

VOTE: don_jonson

The one that doesn't vote for don is his werewolf partner.

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EBWOP: To avoid confusion, it was a scum slip, not a mafia slip. He is wolf, so...

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ConS, I don't follow your logic. How do you figure don is a wolf? I do agree on the slip - it's not possible for Andrew/Jak to be a scumteam if Don is cop and Andrew is wolf. Something's fishy there.

Two things:
1. I believe andrew to be true.
2. I don't believe mafia would fake their power role (i.e. cop)
a. He has 50% chance to be right when faking cop if wolf.
b. He wouldn't bus when it is 2:2:2

- If he'd investigated don as wolf, he would've voted earlier, NOT pushed for NL.

Nuhuh, I have seen more than enough players that don't out guilties immediately. (And I can actually see someone not out their night choice hoping scum would cross-kill the next night)

- There's no reason for him to have claimed.

Yes, he was at L-2... With 4 scum...

- Reasons stated earlier.

State those reasons. Don't hide them.
His line (stop pretending to be town) after a second thought isn't very scummish. Don't forget (I assume he is town) that there is just one town besides him.

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On what basis? You were voting for him until five posts ago.

Him being seer makes sense.

WIFOM

Great at trying to say this is WIFOM. It means that you didn't even think about it. <- scummy
Mafia would choose himself being cop because they would have to say other players are innocent/guilty. Why making it harder for yourself to win, when you can make it harder for the other scum team?
And I am sorry, but you really think scum would bus on 2:2:2? It is ridiculous that you even think about it... Why making yourself the only minority? Failmogri.

That doesn't explain pushing for NL.

Once again (as I said my last post you quoted) he may was hoping for a cross kill to make town be in favour of scum. Keep in mind that scum doensn't have any reason either to no-lynch since they would like to have the edge over the other scumteam to win.

Oh, that's right, he DID know -- he investigated don. But this is a single post after he voted NL. So what in the world was he doing here? Was he softclaiming and saying don was wolf? Then why the NL vote just a post before?

Oh right, I did explain this already. Don't bring up the same point over and over.

Andrew's play has been inconsistent and highly suspect, so I'm keeping my vote on him until I've got a better reason to place it elsewhere.

Lol. Let's make a balance:
Scum slip don_jonson vs. shaky arguments andrew.
It is hard, is it?

1 question Mogri, do you think don_jonson is indeed the cop?

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Mogri, I am stalling this argument for now. I want ThAdmiral and TheJakalope to voice their opinions.

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So..... VOTE: Andrew

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How could you not counterclaim conspiracy?!?!?

so conspiracy, you HAMMER ME with no counterclaim, AND you do NOT COUNTERCLAIM thadmiral, even though the scums most likely knew who was who anyway. doing that, you act extremely pro-scum and thus the other scum team killed you.. and.. yea.

Oh god, you guys are so dumb... Think for a moment, will ya?

My first try was to get 2 townies in endgame (me and seer). How the hell was I supposed to do that when I counterclaimed?
Then andrew did very stupid. How the hell was I suppossed to derail his wagon with enough scum to have a sole scumwagon? <- Don't blaim me andrew, you did far worse.
On top of that, Mogri's reactions on the claim came of to me as the same reactions as I had on don. So I might not have killed the seer.
Discussion might only show I was the cop, so I didn't use discussion.
In LyLo, I had to make WIFOM to win this game. I couldn't when I was known to be the cop. This was what I had in mind:

jack or I was cop.
donwolf killed Mogrimaf
Mogrimaf killed donwolf

I had to WIFOM very much to get a no-lynch and I know I couldn't when I would be the known cop.

But oh well. Thad and don rather kill someone who might be maf than the one who is maf... Fail.

RANTRANTRANT

sorry guys if I insulted somebody, but this was just a failgame many players part. And I can't let people go to say I did wrong. Think!
NEVER EVER going to play in a multiscum game. EVER.

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If you had claimed you wouldn't have been nk'd, it would have gone to 1-1-1, and that would have been a standoff.

Than I would have been lynched and it would have been a wolf/maf draw win

and if we lynched werewolf, then it would be 2: 1 next day (best) or 1 1 1 again....

Yes, but I can't change a lynch with 4 scum being on the wagon.

Or Con could just vote No Lynch, in which case the scum would either have to lynch him and call it a draw or No Lynch as well, in which case ConSpiracy would win if both scum killed each other. If either scum killed ConSpiracy, then the other scum would win.

This is what I wanted.