There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[Pine]

@THB: How is agreeing with you buddying?

Empking is rapidly dropping from a neutral-Town to neutral-scum read. And sinking with every post.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Emp: No, I'm positive you're scum for doing some of the things we've done PLUS some other things we haven't done. You seem to be so focused on the fact that we're finding you scummy for something we've also done that you're ignoring the scummy things that you've done that we haven't.

Pine: It's not, Pie just holds an unhealthy grudge against you that I can't seem to break him of. Zeus knows he's gone on in IRC about it far more than I'd like to hear.

~Fugi

[Empking]

Emp: No, I'm positive you're scum for doing some of the things we've done PLUS some other things we haven't done. You seem to be so focused on the fact that we're finding you scummy for something we've also done that you're ignoring the scummy things that you've done that we haven't.

Like being second on a Pine wagon. Oh waitb that can't be it. What scummy thing did I do and not you?

Mainly because you're the one talking.

And you're scum.

We've had like not-EmpKing for four days, a day of you being irritatingly wrong isn't gonna convince me that you're town.

Can we wait for the remaining twits to claim before the finger pointing starts?

May I ask why you're being deliberately anti-town?

(Seriously is it too much to ask that at least one other player (even before we get to scumhunting) not needing another round in the newbie queue. Wraith telling scum what to claim was bad enough, then THB and C-Worl decided that half-way through a Massclaim was the best time to get out of the woodwork without you playing like this.)

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Emp: No, I'm positive you're scum for doing some of the things we've done PLUS some other things we haven't done. You seem to be so focused on the fact that we're finding you scummy for something we've also done that you're ignoring the scummy things that you've done that we haven't.

Like being second on a Pine wagon. Oh waitb that can't be it. What scummy thing did I do and not you?

Why did you answer your own question and then dismiss it as though that wasn't it?

Clever (if it worked), but I'm not going to let you slide that easy.

If you want reasons other than that Pine vote with the 6 person wagon then I also don't like the safe"ish" Pine vote Day 1, and that has nothing to do with us. Your play style in general factors into the vote and that has no relation to the VCA. You're unhelpful and not vocal until you have suspicion and then you're overly aggressive and OMGUSy. Definitely a common scum play-style I've noticed over a lot of games.

~Fugi

[Empking]

Emp: No, I'm positive you're scum for doing some of the things we've done PLUS some other things we haven't done. You seem to be so focused on the fact that we're finding you scummy for something we've also done that you're ignoring the scummy things that you've done that we haven't.

Like being second on a Pine wagon. Oh waitb that can't be it. What scummy thing did I do and not you?

Why did you answer your own question and then dismiss it as though that wasn't it?

Clever (if it worked), but I'm not going to let you slide that easy.

Unless you want to argue that my vote belonging to scum would cause the Day 2 wagon to speed up (compared to if my vote was town) then the fasct that you were also the second vote on a Pine wagon is a very real factor.

If you want reasons other than that Pine vote with the 6 person wagon then I also don't like the safe"ish" Pine vote Day 1,

The competing wagon that had every chance of going through is now a "safe"ish"" vote now? I guess with VCA anything goes.

[silverbullet999]

^ Empking (liking)

v THB (Icey somewhat too) (slightly disliking)

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rom still is my number 1... and he's still dead
anyone wanna go revive him?

[Slaxx]

ConfidAnon has been prodded

Romanus has one day left to pick up prod

[Hiraki]

What's the claim list?

[diddin]

I claim double voter, icey claims neighboriser, wraith claims bodyguard, everyone else claims vanilla.

[Pine]

I would like to again register suspicion of Hiraki, for reasons already stated. Further, he seems to be the definition of an active lurker in this thread, while I know for a fact he is being active elsewhere on site.

[diddin]

I would like to again register suspicion of Hiraki, for reasons already stated. Further, he seems to be the definition of an active lurker in this thread, while I know for a fact he is being active elsewhere on site.

fucking wifom omg

[Pine]

What the hell are you talking about nothing in that post is WIFOM. Hiraki has been lurky but posting elsewhere, and I've already stated my reasons for suspecting him. He hasn't said much since D4 started outside the massclaim.

[diddin]

You are completely disregarding any other possibility on why he could be lurking. You can't assume because he's inactive here it's cause he's scum.

[Pine]

Active lurking was a new and minor reason. My major reasons are elsewhere.

[Pine]

And it still doesn't make any of that WIFOM. But you're probably just mis-using the term rather than intentionally mis-labeling.

[diddin]

And it still doesn't make any of that WIFOM. But you're probably just mis-using the term rather than intentionally mis-labeling.

It's kind of WIFOM because you are inferring motives, just like saying "X was suspicious of Y and X died, this means Y is scum!"

[Pine]

That's a huge stretch. Irrelevant. Suspicion @ Hiraki. Not for lurking, as diddin seems to think pro-Town reasons exist for lurking.

[diddin]

They do. Town PRs might lurk to avoid the Night Kill. Likewise Scum can easily be the most active players in a game.

[C-Worl]

They do. Town PRs might lurk to avoid the Night Kill. Likewise Scum can easily be the most active players in a game.

QFT

[Pine]

They do. Town PRs might lurk to avoid the Night Kill. Likewise Scum can easily be the most active players in a game.

QFT

You know you have the second greatest number of posts, and the most posts devoid of content, right?

[TwoHeadedBoy]

aaaaaaaaaaaaand Pine is the winner of this set. (by a pretty lofty margin too if I do say so myself)

diddin brought up no valid points and if he weren't practically cleared as town I'd find his soft defense of Hiraki rather suspicious. It's not WIFOM to infer that a scummy action, like active lurking, could mean someone is scum, bro. The example you gave of WIFOM was WIFOM, but that wasn't even remotely similar to what Pine had said. I'm stepping in to call a winner because I'm 82.6% sure that this is town v. town and nothing even resembling productive discussion/argument has come of it.

Also, C-Worl got called out big time.

~Fugi

[Pine]

That said, I'm the top poster, so...yeah. Whatever that does or does not mean.

And yeah. diddin's last few posts have made me re-consider him as "confirmed Town". I've never heard of doublevoting scum, but I'm starting to suspect him. Technically, by Normal game parameters, it's legal.

[Pine]

Oh. Promised to advertise for this game in sign-ups. Looks fun, need a couple more people.

[Hiraki]

I don't like Pine anymore. Not necessarily for his FoS on me, but mostly for #1269.

[C-Worl]

CLAIM LIST:
Diddin = Double Voter
Wraith = Town Bodyguard
ICE = Town Neighborizor
Pine = Vanilla
C-Worl = Vanilla
Hiraki = Vanilla
TwoHeadedBoy - Vanilla
Empking - Vanilla
Silver Bullet - Vanilla
Nhamen - Vanilla

Not Claimed: Romanus, Antihero, ConfidAnon

Ok, so 7 VT claims so far. We should probably focus on them for the time being.

The case on Emp is very nice but I do agree with Emp's logic that THB is suspicious for the same logic. Though THB has been more active throughout the game than Emp (except when Emp is under the microscope)

Silver Bullet seems a bit over eager at times but seemed to provide a good case against Rom. Pine's been tunneling on me in both games I'm playing with him. Not sure if that's just a clash of our play styles or what but it's starting to look scummier to me. Of course, I say that in reservation bc Calcifer flipped town.

Hiraki came in like yay, and saw what I saw in Calc at the time. Then after the first night kill he seemed to agree with ICE that Calc prolly wasn't scum. Yet, at the end he had gone back to thinking Calc scum. Also, the way the player before him played was suspicious in it's own right.

I don't really know about Nhamen. He just doesn't feel right but I don't really have much for a case against him.

And of course, I'm Vanilla as well so if you want a case against me, go ask Pine for one of his many.