Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[DemonHybrid]

Jesus...so many good players. Who to vote for?

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Papa Zito

Finally. I was waiting for someone to bite, for the love of god.

[DemonHybrid]

My Papa Zito vote isn't a joke.

[DemonHybrid]

@PZ: Maybe Fate, for wanting to jump on but not doing so until you and Crazy voted. For the others, I don't think so.

You are definitely scum, however.

[DemonHybrid]

Crazys following a bandwagon. You voted because I didn't RVS my first vote, or so I'm guessing. Any player that is in this game as town should recognize an obvious trap, but you didn't.

That should answer both of you. If there are any typos, I'm sorry. I'm plastered.

[DemonHybrid]

I don't like Trolls first post.

[DemonHybrid]

Just stating my opinion. Too busy voting for Papa Zito right now.

[DemonHybrid]

4. DemonHybrid - I don't understand his "trap," and his responses from the current wagon are almost stone cold. Scum lean.

Simple. I post an almost noobish statement without an RVS post for my first post. Someone targets it opportunistically and votes me for it. That person is scum for taking advantage of a situation that SHOULDN'T exist in a game with this playerlist.

Everyone else is bandwagoning (which gives nulls, pretty much), but Papa Zito came out of nowhere and voted me for that specific post. Do not like.

[DemonHybrid]

Why do you assume that PZ voted you for not participating in RVS?

Making a post designed to draw suspicion and then attacking people who suspect you for it isn't a trap. It's just bait.

We can ask him whether he did or not, but with him not explaining his vote (except for a "Ding"), we can probably just conclude that he meant his vote to be obvious, and the only obvious thing about my post is that I didn't include a vote, or was "trying too hard", or whatever.

Also, I do see it as a trap, because any good townie would have probably just looked over it and vote someone else, commented on it like Nikanor did without a vote (he's completely obvious town, by the way) or voted me without targeting that post. Papa Zito took it upon himself to take the opportunity in creating serious suspicion off of it and was the only one to do so.

I still see Crazy's vote as more of a wagon hop and less of a "I'm voting DH because of his post" vote. Fate may even be worse because he didn't have the cojones to vote and sat on the wagon until PZ and Crazy allowed him to vote with a clear conscience.

Scum so far:

Papa Zito, Fate, Troll, ONE or TWO of the wagoners

Obvtown so far:

Nikanor, cyberbob

The rest I need to know more about; some haven't even posted yet.

[DemonHybrid]

I didn't vote you because chkflip was scummier at the time, but no one was interested in that wagon so I hopped on yours.

Yeah, okay.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote:
Vote: Chkflip

I'd prefer regular capitalization, you're a delicate flower and shoudn't strain your face with rage <3

Joke vote

Unvote:
Vote: DemonHybrid

Like I said, whatever order.

Damn I need me some sheep.

NIKANOR? WHAT DO YOU SAY?

Nobody Special claims scum, as predicted, via Plum vote.

Wagon hop

^Lynch please.

YO I'M TOTALLY SRS GUYS

[DemonHybrid]

I still see Crazy's vote as more of a wagon hop and less of a "I'm voting DH because of his post" vote. Fate may even be worse because he didn't have the cojones to vote and

sat on the wagon

until PZ and Crazy allowed him to vote with a clear conscience.

EBWOP: sat on the fence

[DemonHybrid]

@DH:

I didn't ask you what "we could probably just conclude," I asked what made you assume that? I don't think that's why PZ voted you.

Then ask him. But that is my thought process and it's how I came to the conclusion that I have.

Basically:

I say something dumb and noobish
PZ votes with "Ding". It is confirmed that PZ thought that his vote had an obvious reason.
Because his vote had an obvious reason, that post must have stood out from the rest.
The only thing that was different about that post is the fact that I "tried too hard" or didn't include a vote. Voting for either of those reasons = opportunistic. Serious opportunism at the start of the game is scummy and therefore, PZ is scummy.
Notice how plenty of people posted before PZ voted me. One even commented on it as a joke, but didn't act on the post. It is plain as day opportunistic to jump on a post like that.

[DemonHybrid]

To compare your first two votes:

I don't like this wagon on Crazy, seems like a major distraction from who we SHOULD be lynching

VOTE: Nobody Special

Hai Plum, remember me? we've played in a few games together.

"We should lynch NS" = could be serious, could be not. That's based on meta, but it's useless to even bother looking that shit up for right now, so I won't even comment.

Unvote:
Vote: Chkflip

I'd prefer regular capitalization, you're a delicate flower and shoudn't strain your face with rage <3

Chkflip+DH+Nobody Special

Any order is fine.

"You should die because you're capitalizing your posts" = you can't be serious.

So yes, Fate, lets lynch someone based on the fact that they included a capitalized sentence. For realsies. Totally 100% deadpan fucking for real

Opportunism is a craptell in the RVS.

No, it's not.

[DemonHybrid]

I like the dissonance here, by the way.

Opportunism is a useless tell, but capitalization? Why, it'd be a sin NOT to lynch!

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Crazy

also please dont use big words, I feel stupid having to google those things

Metempsychosis! You're going to have to learn these words eventually.

Unvote, vote: DemonHybrid

Why isn't DH dead yet?

Excuse me, are you going to start being useful?

Yes, that really is your post history. RVS has been gone for a while now and you have yet to comment on a single thing.

[DemonHybrid]

1. I don't make joke votes. I wanted NS dead and still do

2. If you were READING the game, my comment about xapitalzation was in response to PLUM, nt my reason for voting chkflip. Chkflips first post was a case on himself, so I felt no need to explain that vote with a playerlist of this caliber

3. Well you're just wrong. Scum are opportunistic in the RVs in newbie games maybe, so BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, you jumping ob PZ for a newbscumtell is ITSELF a scumtelll. LOLSELFVOTE PLEASE

1. Explain why you want NS dead, then.

2.

VOTE: Papa Zito

I WANT A DIFFERENT COLORED NAME, TOO!

Also, I just want to make a quick shout-out to the haters. UMAD? Totes jelly. TROLOLO

Unvote:
Vote: Chkflip

I'd prefer regular capitalization,

you're a delicate flower and shoudn't strain your face with rage <3

Chkflip+DH+Nobody Special

Any order is fine.

I speak English, so I follow English syntax.

3. Scum are opportunistic ALWAYS. I don't know what crack you're smoking.

[DemonHybrid]

As for me being "totaly hipocritical lol", that's pretty much garbage logic, but I'll humor it:

Setting up a trap to find opportunism = not opportunistic in a bad way. It's a way to kill RVS. If town is way less likely to fall for something like that and jump on it but someone eventually does even after a few people notice the post but don't do anything about it, then the term is called "a good play".

If it was something a townie would easily fall for, then you'd see votes across the board on the first page, but instead, you see only one person directly target the pos-

Hey....hey, you're not even listening, are you?

[DemonHybrid]

FATE: IT IS DONE. IT IS GLORIOUS. YOU READY/WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ALL-CAPS FOR EFFECT OR THE GRAVE SIMPLICITY OF REGULAR CAPITALIZATION.

Right above my post.

Now that you see you've misread my post, you're just gonna dodge the implications of it? Do I really need to explain why I want NS dead? Read any of his games.

You vote someone, but then switch the subject of your post to someone else without naming them. Especially after the person you vote for has capitalized a sentence.

Seriously, are you schizophrenic or something?

[DemonHybrid]

Scum are ALWAYS opportunistic? They ALWAYS jump on the smallest things town post without regard to how it will make them look later, especially if its very early and hard to fake cases on town?

If it was something a townie would easily fall for, then you'd see votes across the board on the first page, but instead, you see only one person directly target the pos-

Hey....hey, you're not even listening, are you?

No...you aren't.

[DemonHybrid]

P.S. DH, do you think chkflip is a delicate flower?

No, but then again, Fate is sort of a strange guy, so I didn't really think much of his reply.

The corruption of English and grammatical syntax has soured my mind, I apologize for not being a mind reader.

[DemonHybrid]

There ARE votes across the board on you. But hey were ALL opportunisric scum right?

Seriously.

The fact you're talking to me like you know I'm TOWN

while calling me scum out the other side of your mouth makes this laughable.

The votes came AFTER PZ's vote. So tell me, mind reader, which ones voted for me for my first post and which ones voted for me to bandwagon and get information?

Bolded: How did you make that assumption? That's fucking laughable, I never said that I thought you were town or even implied ANYTHING of the sort.

English isn't my first language, deal with it scumbag.

Good, at least in a roundabout way, you took SOME responsibility for that.

Who asks if their SCUMREAD is really listening?

Not everyone is like you. I don't shut everyone out if I think they're scum, repeating "die scum" without interacting with them. I look for

information

.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, 4 posts in a row. smh.

This game is on page 6 and I already have a migraine.

[DemonHybrid]

There ARE votes across the board on you. But hey were ALL opportunisric scum right?

Seriously.

The fact you're talking to me like you know I'm TOWN

while calling me scum out the other side of your mouth makes this laughable.

The votes came AFTER PZ's vote. So tell me, mind reader, which ones voted for me for my first post and which ones voted for me to bandwagon and get information?

Bolded: How did you make that assumption? That's fucking laughable, I never said that I thought you were town or even implied ANYTHING of the sort.

Answer these before you go.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: Answer the first one, sorry.

I understand your second point (and sorta missed it until just now, since I have a hangover like whoa) and how you got to it, but you realize that the schizo/posting style stuff is in DEFENSE to you saying that I completely misread your post, right?

[DemonHybrid]

@Audience: Does DH posts towaard me read as if he has a geniune scumread of me?

Nope.

Were there something worth commenting on, I'd have commented on it.

I agree with this.


LF doesn't seem as town as people are spouting.

Wagon on DH is good.

I like my vote.

The RVS is not a time frame, but a state of mind.

Wait, what?

Talk about hypocricy.

[DemonHybrid]

i.e: You aren't on my wagon, so what the fuck?

[DemonHybrid]

Crazys following a bandwagon.

1. orly

I agree with Papa Zito.

2. Sounds like whatever "trap" I fell for he fell for too?

You voted because I didn't RVS my first vote, or so I'm guessing.

3. This is another reason why you're not town.

Any player that is in this game as town should recognize an obvious trap, but you didn't.

4. I'd like to see you back up this assertion. What makes your glorious trap obvious to townies but hidden to scum?

I'd also like you to back up how this "trap" makes me (apparently) confirmed scum. As in, how this apparently traptellthing is 100% correct in all cases.

5. P.S. You're throwing dissonance around, how about the dissonance that your obvtrap has produced one vote on me (yours!) and 6 votes on you?
6. P.P.S. Jesus H. Christ it's like Adel Jr.

1. Yeah, really. He

agreed

with you. That could mean either a bandwagon OR attacking my post, but he didn't expand on your point, so I'm willing to call bandwagon.
2. See above.
3. Why? Explain the reasoning behind your vote, then.
4. The fact that people only voted me AFTER your vote, while others (the majority of the playerlist) have ignored/commented on my post on the first page shows that it wasn't a trap that caught townies. Or is everyone on the first page scum to you?
5. I don't get your point here. My action was meant to find scum with or without the bandwagon on me and you're acting like I was supposed to get out unscathed. Not the point, sir. Lets say I get lynched. Cool story, bro; if the rest of town utilizes my actions on Day 1 and uses it to scumhunt, it did it's job.
6. Are you appealing to the playerlist here? I don't see what the point of this statement is.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: I should include everyone BUT Fate on point #4.

[DemonHybrid]

5th post in a row, but smd. Thoughts are coming as I go.

Socio replaces Troll on my scum list. That last post was just awful, horrible.

That makes it PZ, SP, Fate, one person on my wagon.

This information is fucking awesome, keep up the hate if you're going to use all of this later.

[DemonHybrid]

@Fate and PZ: what do you think of SocioPath's last post?

[DemonHybrid]

Oh man, this is gonna be gooooood.

Unvote
Vote: DemonHybrid

Might as well be wagoning yourself.

Translation:

"Oh shit, I forgot to wagon because I was too busy sitting on the fence/creating non-genuine suspicions."

Unvote, Vote: SocioPath

[DemonHybrid]

I don't care if I get lynched, but I ask that everyone take their tunnely little eyes off of me for a second to glance at SP's last two posts. He just fucking claimed scum.

[DemonHybrid]

...and not any of the last 6 pages before this?

Holy shit.

[DemonHybrid]

Wait, what?

Talk about hypocricy.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

I know I said I was going to build a case, and by all means I still will if you'd like me to, but I think this post pretty much sums up DH's scummy attitude/behavior all into one. Not only is Socio's post not hypocritical in any sense, but it's painstakingly obvious that you're stretching your hands as far as you can to try to deflect this wagon off of you.

So, do you like the fact that he completely ignored the last 6 pages just to handwave himself onto the growing wagon? Or that he said he liked the wagon even though his vote was completely elsewhere and he forgot about it?

Like I said, I don't give a fuck if I get lynched. But I swear to god, if everyone forgets about his posts on this page and lets him slide, I'll be more than angry.

[DemonHybrid]

I don't think he forgot about anything, thus the reason I gave an explination to why it's not a hypocritical post.

How's about you stop getting angry and actually do some scumhunting instead of this flailing you've been doing the last umpteenth posts? And no, I don't think your OMGUS vote on Socio is scumhunting.

@Audience: Does DH posts towaard me read as if he has a geniune scumread of me?

Nope.

Were there something worth commenting on, I'd have commented on it.

I agree with this.


LF doesn't seem as town as people are spouting.

Wagon on DH is good.

I like my vote.

The RVS is not a time frame, but a state of mind.

So, he's talking about his vote on you, then?

[DemonHybrid]

Let me put it like this:

If he's talking about you with his "I like my vote" statement, he's a hypocrite because he says he likes the growing wagon but keeps his vote on another person.
If he's talking about me, he forgot who his vote was on and he's not genuine.

[DemonHybrid]

This one is for free:

If he's talking about you with his "I like my vote" statement, he's a hypocrite because he says he likes the growing wagon but keeps his vote on another person.

Just stating my opinion. Too busy voting for Papa Zito right now.

1. That second post was pages ago.
2. Troll didn't have a growing wagon on him; it was an offhand remark that I made at his first post.
3. That was the dumbest point anyone has ever made in the history of mafia.

[DemonHybrid]

But I swear to god, if everyone forgets about his posts on this page and lets him slide, I'll be more than angry.

PROTIP: It is going to happen.
Then later, when your wagon crumbles, I'll have to go back, and explain everything I said and meant at the time.
Making me look better, and making everything you said look worse.
You'll cite it off as making up reasons that didn't exist in the first place.
I'll further ignore you, and then coast on by whether or not you are mafia after you are lynched.
In fact, I'd look worse if you weren't town.
Because as scum, I would rid myself of you early and hard bus.
So pretty much whatever happens, I can slide on by.
So you might as well just get angry now.

And this, I just don't know how to respond to.

You're expecting people to just forget about certain interactions, especially now that you've pointed it out? You're voting for me, but you're expecting my wagon to crumble? And you only care about how you look?

You'd look worse if "I weren't town". What was that Fate said pages ago about talking as if the other person is town?

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, I'm of the opinion that this is the dumbest point anyone has ever made in the history of mafia.

Friendly reminder, Hybrid's L-3.

Seriously, why are you defending this guy?

He "likes my wagon" on the first post of this page, but then, halfway down this page, this:

@SocioPath - Why is DH scum?

This page.

As if the only thing he cares about is my attack against him.

I don't get you.

[DemonHybrid]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I vote PZ.
Troll posts.
I say I don't like Troll's post, but I'm busy voting PZ (hence: I find him scummier)

Some time passes.

You post, top of page seven.

PZ is still who I find scummiest, but you're way scummier than Troll.

You vote, and because my first two posts on page 7 either 1. remind you that you aren't voting me, or 2. push you to vote me regardless, I find that way scummier than anything else, so you've become scummier than PZ. So I vote you.

So I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

[DemonHybrid]

^ was meant for SocioPath.

[DemonHybrid]

What was that Fate said pages ago about talking as if the other person is town?

LOL look now he's trying to use MY tells to call people scum while still calling me scum.

Yup three scum all on the Demon wagon. CHOO CHOO LETS GO PAPAZITO HIM OFF A CLIFF SOCIO

You should stop being annoying.

1. I used it as an ironic example, since that was a big discussion earlier on.

2. By your logic, everything that scum says is wrong, right? Forget about not being genuine, it's all about being wrong, apparently.

Scum sometimes say things that are right, however, not genuine. You expect me to completely disown an obvious tell (acting as if the other person is known town) just because I think you're scum and you used it in this game?

[DemonHybrid]

I don't have an answer for you.

FTFY, broski

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, no answer still.

You should really stop and preview your posts before you hit submit. Jeez.

[DemonHybrid]

Um.... people can like one wagon and be more enticed by another? Like you were.

Seriously, you're all over the place here trying to fling suspicion.

What other wagon did I like?

Was Fate ever voted?

Was Troll ever voted?

[DemonHybrid]

In fact, was anyone else who I stated suspicion for EVER voted?

This includes Fate, Troll, PZ (other than me) and Socio.

How can you or anyone else call it a "wagon" then?

Is Socio voting for chkflip but stating that my wagon is good the same thing? Yes or no? If yes, what the fuck are you smoking?

[DemonHybrid]

Um.... people can like one wagon and be more enticed by another? Like you were.

Seriously, you're all over the place here trying to fling suspicion.

What other wagon did I like?

Was Fate ever voted?

Was Troll ever voted?

Troll was never a wagon, and if you need to pick apart technicalities to get your suspicion spread around, feel free. But the point is, you were voting one person and suspect of another, and then you're calling SP scum for

doing the same thing

.

Wait, what?

Talk about hypocricy.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

I know I said I was going to build a case, and by all means I still will if you'd like me to, but I think this post pretty much sums up DH's scummy attitude/behavior all into one. Not only is Socio's post not hypocritical in any sense, but it's painstakingly obvious that you're stretching your hands as far as you can to try to deflect this wagon off of you.

So, do you like the fact that he completely ignored the last 6 pages just to handwave himself onto the

growing wagon

? Or that he said he liked the

wagon

even though his vote was completely elsewhere and he forgot about it?

Like I said, I don't give a fuck if I get lynched. But I swear to god, if everyone forgets about his posts on this page and lets him slide, I'll be more than angry.

No, it is not the same fucking thing.

[DemonHybrid]

A WAGON has more than one person voting for the same person.

A SUSPICION is when someone suspects someone else, WAGON or NOT.

I voted for PZ but had other SUSPICIONS.

Socio was voting for someone else but said he liked a WAGON.

Why the fuck do I need to explain this like 50 TIMES

[DemonHybrid]

Translation: "Oh, shit, I need to deflect suspicion! Who can I target?" For a man who said himself that he's fine with being lynched if it generates discussion, you're doing an awful lot to counterwagon

anybody

who hones into your view.

So, that's why I put Plum, Punkin, CES, chkflip and AGar on my scumlist, right?

Oh wait.

[DemonHybrid]

^ And Crazy?

[DemonHybrid]

@DH: Is that supposed to be an argument, DH? The fact that there are people you haven't bad specious arguments against, or OMGUS voted doesn't change the fact that you've done exactly that, with Socio most recently. So I don't really get what point you're attempting to make, here.

You're point is that I tried to counterwagon everyone who disagreed with me, which is complete bullshit. My scumreads so far have been:

Fate, for sitting on the fence to vote me until PZ did
PZ, for an opportunistic vote on an obvious set-up that other people ignored or commented on but didn't bother to vote
Troll slightly, because of his first post, but has recently been okay.
Socio, for being dumb and saying that "I like the wagon, but I find you scummy for page 7" without explaining a thing and while keeping his vote on chkflip, saying that he likes his vote ambiguously (whether he meant that for his vote on chkflip or a vote for me that he didn't have is still up for discussion) and pushing a wagon, only jumping on when I note that he isn't even on the damn thing.

I have not suspected anyone else, though I've been reading closely.

That's certainly not "counterwagoning" "anyone who hones into my view".

[DemonHybrid]

*Your point

[DemonHybrid]

@Mod: replace me.

I just broke my mouse. I have a life changing interview tomorrow and this shit is never ending pissing me off, and it's just a game.

Might replace out of all my games, but starting with this one.

Before I go, fuck you, Fate, for calling me a weak player.

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry if it seems like I'm bitchy or whatever, but I've been stressed for weeks and I can't even begin to keep up anymore.

[DemonHybrid]

Claiming before I go: Vanilla Townie. Socio is my obvious top lynch. Think what you want.

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry for freaking out and replacing out. Meant to say that.

I ended up failing that really important test, so. Yeah.

[DemonHybrid]

Why were you being so nice Fate? it really threw me off.

O_O?

You missed the part of the game where I got DH to rage quit, didn't you?

Nice to see that you're still willing to be a jerk about something you know nothing of.

I had a test to take the next day that decided whether I progress in my major or not, which caused me a lot of pressure. Along with that, I don't appreciate being called a bad or a weak player. I quit because of the pressure from the test and it really had nothing to do with you; my comment was offhand.

Thanks everyone else for being a good sport about it. Tough time in my life.

[DemonHybrid]

singer can attest to the amount of pressure that was on me. She and I had a chat on AIM that night.

So, think before you make things about you, Fate.

singer was a great mod and I'm excited to see what she'll run in the future.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah...go back to the newbie queue. You make a great D1 lynch

[DemonHybrid]

^That pissed me off and quite fueled my desire to leave the game, but mostly it was the fact that I had a life-altering point in my life (which, of course, you make about you).

You're pretty proud at acting like a jerkoff and I don't know why. I'm not talking about the game. You need to re-evaluate your attitude. Posting in caps is one thing; insulting a player and being proud of it is another.

[DemonHybrid]

It's whatever; thanks. I kind of went off the handle since day 1. My first few posts were drunken posts, and from then on out I just was under a lot of stress.