There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[Pine]

^Agreed. But replace Hiraki with Romanus/Zdenek and keep nhammen as the fourth.

[Pine]

^Agreed. But replace Hiraki with Romanus/Zdenek and keep nhammen as the fourth.

You realize that I also want you dead. I just figured since it's so obvious I think you're scum that it'd be beating a dead horse to mention it again.

Now to re-think my reads about Hiraki/nh.

~Pie

I'm starting to think you're just flirting with me, Pie.

[Pine]

I'm mad that I was not neighborized last night.

Awwww. Crai moar, little scum. Neighborhood doesn't agree with me on you, but I'm not fooled.

We discussed it at length who we were going to vote for, and the only truly unanimous opinion was this:

VOTE: Empking

Time to burn.

[Pine]

Oh forgot to say.

Biggest scum reads out of those 7

: Hiraki,

Emp

, and Silver

IDK Reads: Nhamen (feels fishy)

Townish reads: Pine

(bc of Calc) and THB

Emphasis mine

The case on Emp is very nice

but I do agree with Emp's logic that THB is suspicious for the same logic. Though THB has been more active throughout the game than Emp (except when Emp is under the microscope)

^Has previously agreed with and supported the Empking case, which has not significantly changed since this post

Ok, now that that's done. (Sorry for the fluff)

We're still waiting on 4 claims. Until, we get them, the nillas seem like the best suspects. Judging from Fugi's VCA and considering I claimed VT, I'm actually the biggest scumspect from a logical POV. I'm the only person involved on all the lynch wagons. Pine, Nhamen, Silver, and THB were on 2 each. From the vca that was shown by Fugi, Emp has voted Pine everytime except for the Jerbs wagon (Of course he started the day on Pine)

I'm leaning toward Fugi's argument bc A) I personally know that I'm town. B) He seems like the second best option behind me.

Vote: Empking

^Votes Empking

So out of our 9 THB is confirmed and

I'd assume ICE would've broken Pinescum by now in the Neighbor QT

so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That leaves our suspect list to Hiraki, Me, Emp, Zdenek, Silver, Nhamen, and Hoppster.

^Says I'm not scum after all, and cops to the existence of the Neighborhood

Maybe the fact that y'all are quick lynching someone, based on a mutual agreement in

a Neighborizor QT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW EXISTS

. You could be GF, and you could be making up all this shit that Mastin read. I just went through the Empking ISO and I saw nothing to warrant this sudden push for a quick lynch. Town will not gain from this in anyway because if y'all are wrong about your case (which is a stupid case imho) we could be handing Scum the game. (of course you would like that) You waited until after Calcifer was dead to reveal this Neighborizor QT. So....

Unvote; Vote: Pine

Trust me, if we lynch him we'll have finally hit scum.

Calcifer was wrong about his read. Scum are coming after Emp only bc Emp's been after Pine for the entire game.

^Emphasis mine. Denies existence of Neighborhood only a couple posts after treating it as confirmed.

@Neighbors: NOW do you see the case on C-Worl?

@Mod:

Can we get confirmation on whether the Neighbor recruitment was successful? No need to have Icey going "AH HA!" again over a delayed confirmation.

[Pine]

Neither do I, actually. You were the recruit, Silver. Starting to think Icey got roleblocked after all.

[Pine]

I was looking forward to picking his brain.

[Pine]

Pfffft. Mostly wanted his opinions about the volumes of stuff we've said in the QT and proceed from there. Clumsier here. But fine.

Silver: Evaluate Empking. Gogogo

[Pine]

Actually, Zdenek is our (the neighbodhood's) favorite for D6. One at a time, and we're bloody certain of Empking.

So feel free to talk about both.

[Pine]

What the hell are you talking about, Wraith? That last post made no sense. At all.

[Pine]

I suppose it's tomorrow... I HATE you for having me do this...

Page 1 iso: No real scumhunting, just votes and one sentence reasoning (this is the empking I know of but I don't know if that means he's town or scum. Overall null even though he's literally not asking any questions at all
Page 2 iso: more or less begins same as page 1... actually throws a few questions to THB light case on THB that he drops and goes to hiraki
Page 3 iso: makes this interesting quote

I would like to point out that Nhammen is saying that he agrees with THB's VCA but has decided that that means he's not going after Romanus. That's somebody looking or an excuse to not bus his buddy.

and adds a few more comments and after anti is lynched goes back to hiraki.

Overall from my skim... I can see him being either, If his quote is true (I didn't check) then we should most def lynch rom first.

Moral of the story: Lynch Rom

Your dogged insistence on lynching zdenek (Rom got replaced, use the right name please) ahead of Empking makes me seriously worry that we misjudged you and that you're desperately trying to protect a scumbuddy.

[Pine]

Recruit zdenek? Lolno.

Zdenek is a good lynch, but we want to stay on target on our unanimous #1 scum before moving into 90% territory.

C'mon folks, we need a win, here. Scum's got too big a filibuster bloc.

[Pine]

My top reason, I suppose if I had to pick one, would be the entirety of your voting history, notably in its relation to the voted player and the others on the wagons you've been a part of.

~Fugi

I've

seen

Mastin's VCA case and that explanation didn't make sense to me.

I'd explain it, but I'm a novice with VCA, and would probably screw up the explanation. I'll leave it to Icey or THB.

[Pine]

I read that on my phone without a chance to reply, C-Worl, and wondered what you meant. This is only the second game I ever signed up for, and I've only got one completely finished (as of this morning,) so meta didn't make sense.

[Pine]

Empking
Zdenek
(gap)
Hiraki
C-Worl
(gap)
Nhammen
Hoppster

I have a sneaking gut suspicion that I'm wrong about one of the middle group after all, despite my previous certainty, and those last two are the only ones alive not on my confirmed Town list. Internal order of the three groups is more or less interchangeable. For example, I'm dead certain of Empking and Zdenek, and would support either lynch immediately.

--Town (in order of descending certainty)--
Pine (Confirmed)
Icey (Confirmed)
THB (Possibly Godfather, but remote)
Silver (I'm pretty damn confident)
Wraith (Possibly brilliant fakeclaim)

[Pine]

We decided on Silver again.

Neighborhood discussion was between Zdenek and nhammen. I'm holding my vote a bit. LyLo makes me nervous.

Also, last time around we were maybe in LyLo. The much more likely scenario was that there are four scum.

[Pine]

Aha. Slaxx confirmed that the Silver recruitment went through.

Silver, please review the QT and give us your opinions, kay?

[Pine]

How many times do I have to tell you people that C-Worl is scum before you believe me?

[Pine]

Seriously? I thought it was pretty damn clear. But I'll refrain from pointing out the obvious, for fear of offending Your Majesty.

As much as it irritates to be told what to do, in this context it more than ever establishes Silver as obvTown.

Zdenek remains scum. That list probably contains a couple of his scumbuddies and a couple of innocents, in the hope that we'll lynch our way through the list and oops! We hit an innocent. Game over. The fact that he chose Silver and Icey, who are the most painfully obvTown people in the game, is odd, though.

[Pine]

He's been doing that all through the night phase, Silver.

He blew a fuse at Empking's flip, and kind of short circuited.

[Pine]

I agree with most of what Silver has had to say. Zdenek today, nhammen tomorrow, and we'll figure out who the innocent is out of {Hiraki, C-Worl, Hoppster} as we go. Right now, I'm actually starting to think I was wrong about Hiraki. Discussion for another day.

VOTE: Zdenek

[Pine]

L-3

[Pine]

The fact that we haven't seen a quickhammer is further evidence that Zdenek is scum. Yeah.

[Pine]

lolno.

I don't believe in bussing my scummates without a compelling reason. I've said so many in many places. I might bus C-Worl now if he were going down, but all thread? No. The only way we're on the same team is if he pulls some voodoo magic trick, or bribes Slaxx to change his wincon to Town.

[Pine]

That's hammer.

[Pine]

Umm, have we got a One-Shot Governor?

[Pine]

Partial text of a PM I sent to Slaxx about a week ago:

I've been seriously impressed with THB's performance all game. He's kept the Town running in circles, made himself into a confirmed Townie in most peoples' eyes, baited the Cop's investigation into the trap of his Godfather role, and has coached his scum team towards a (thus far) perfect game. I know I have grown immensely as a scum player by working with him, and the constant back and forth between the two heads has been priceless comedy and confounding to the Town at the same time.

In your opinion, would this be worthy of a nomination for the Don Corleone (Best Manipulation) Scummy? And would you second such a nomination?

So yeah. THB gets the nomination. Without him, this would not have been so awesome.

[Pine]

Please don't quit, Mastin

[Pine]

You guiys had Pine and ConfidAnon nailed day 1 >.> I thought this was going to be a fairly clean sweep to be honest.

Yeah...that won't happen again.

I made some heavy mistakes on D1, and was not expecting to survive. I was phenomenally lucky to have gotten inside Mastin's head and plucked a Town read out of it. My mates were ready to bus me to hell and back, I think.

[Pine]

The mafia team of Pine!!!!!

I FUCKING CALLED IT YOU GOD DAMN WANKERS!!! MASTIN CAN KISS THE WHITEST PART OF MY ASS!!!

<3 C-Worl

[Pine]

By the way CWorl is town MVP. He was the only one who used HIS BRAIN the last two days. The rest of you just let Pine and THB take control of this game.

That was the point, diddin. Take out the smart and/or vocal Townies and let the off-track/discredited ones live.

That's why it was so easy to manipulate the last couple of days.

[Pine]

^dirty shit. thb also used fake dissonance as an excuse for being really swingy. Any nonhydra who did that would be lynched on the spot. Definately ballsy.

EBWOP To Pine: That always seems to be my problem in mafia. I'm usually pretty good at catching scum. But nobody ever listens to me, they're just all like "Pine is town because Calc said so hurr hurr."

We make use of the tools

God

Slaxx gives us.

Maybe it wasn't intentional, but I have a theory the whole PIE THINKS PINE IS SCUM BUT I DON'T SO WE DON'T VOTE HIM thing was a way to avoid bussing but still call Pine scum.

The faked dissonance was indeed brilliant, and it's part of the reason I plan to nominate THB for a Scummy.

[Pine]

Parama needs to stop changing his, too

Also, Parama, I advocated your kill explicitly because I felt threatened by you. I think you'd have succeeded in my lynch had you been left alive, and that might've led to the whole house of cards coming down. The WIFOM factor was a supporting reason.

[Pine]

I liked the symbol one, or whatever it was, that you were using when you started this game. What was the source?

[Pine]

We killed Wraith specifically, Silver.

[Pine]

Nah, GI was a goldmine for us.

No offense, GI! <3

[Pine]

[Pine]

I'm fairly sure I know what it was that I did, but I'm curious to hear Mastin's side as well.

[Pine]

I'm fine with releasing the NQT

[Pine]

Fair's fair.

Mafia QT

[Pine]

Well, no offense, Silver, but you had THB and I as two of your biggest Town reads.

Also, my opinion of you rose later in the game, but by that time you already had confirmation bias on us, and it was easier to influence your reads with that bias.

[Pine]

Oh. Grey missed the neighborhood slip in part because Fugi and I worked in overdrive to fabricate a conversation to bury it.

[Pine]

Nah. Mastin was keeping me alive and had no strong suspicions of my scumbuddies. You were pushing on me, had a good reputation if you ever got in gear, and were unlikely to draw protection.

[Pine]

Yeah, but what was it that led you to swearing I was town?

[Pine]

Confirmation bias much?

[Pine]

<3 C-Worl

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