Cthulhu Speed Mafia (Finished)

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Let's get some things straight.

- We're a hydra.
- We're going to sign our posts individually.
- If there's no signature, it's most likely Fugi that made the post.
- We have a tendency to disagree. A lot.

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Vote: vezok

- Just to get that out of the way.

Unvote, Vote: bob

Overreaction to the deaths and prematurely trying to pass off any scummy play as his playstyle. Nope, not gonna fly.

~Pie

P.S. - Oh, I can tell that this is going to be a loooooong game...

[TwoHeadedBoy]

unvote
vote bob

What Ipie there said.

Don't make me vote you. :U

Overreaction to the deaths and prematurely trying to pass off any scummy play as his playstyle. Nope, not gonna fly.

You're being a bit too serious. I thought we were in RVS? Also, you're one to talk, with such a potentially confusing gimmick.

The RNG

The all controlling will of the old ones compels me to pick.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

We already have info to go on and you're resorting to RVS reasoning. LOL. And what gimmick are you talking about exactly?

And I'm always serious. Except when I'm not.

Overreaction to the deaths and prematurely trying to pass off any scummy play as his playstyle. Nope, not gonna fly.

Yeah, I have to agree that this argument is pretty weak. It is not like he went "OH MAW GAWD!! NOT TEH COPZ!!!11!1!!1!" or started talking about possible setup speculation.

So what do you think about bob's posts so far, then? Do you think he's town?

~Pie

Overreaction to the deaths and prematurely trying to pass off any scummy play as his playstyle. Nope, not gonna fly.

You're being a bit too serious. I thought we were in RVS? Also, you're one to talk, with such a potentially confusing gimmick.

The RNG

The all controlling will of the old ones compels me to pick.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Disagrees with us (Pie). Thinks being serious is bad. Tries to keep us in RVS longer and votes someone else. That's some scum play if I've ever seen it.

UNVOTE: bob
VOTE: Cobblerfone

~Fugi

PEdit: POST IN THE DAMN HYDRA

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Vote: TwoHeadedBoy

He pulled this shit in our bloodshed game and ended up being scum.

Pulled what shit? Curious.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Vote: TwoHeadedBoy

He pulled this shit in our bloodshed game and ended up being scum.

Pulled what shit? Curious.

~Fugi

Arguing with each other in the thread.

Where have we argued?

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

All Caps command =/= argument

[17:19:06] <Guppy> can't decide if C-Worl is trying too hard as town or is trying to mudsling as scum
[17:19:41] <InflatablePie> is it bad that I immediately went to look at the TWBB thread <_<
[17:19:48] <Guppy> yes

Guppy is Fugitive.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

He pulled this shit in our bloodshed game and ended up being scum.

Read this entire page (or skim) and then look at the OP and see what we flip.

We argue as both town and scum. Get used to it.

@Antz: If you have a null-read on bob, why are you defending him?

looking at the dead list we must have a real mafioso threat considering a watcher, a cop and 2 masons are already dead.

I'm trying to think of a connection between the roles that could determine the mechanic. :/
Any ideas?

This is a bad post.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP: And yeah, that's not arguing. We'll show you arguing. Eventually.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Bad argument is bad argument.
But basically what I said would be bad is what TS said and you pointed out.

Erm. What?

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

thus we need to leave RVS as soon as possible, and mod voting isn't going to do that

I have a new RVS policy of voting those players with the best or most interesting usernames

VOTE: Penguin

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~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'm always suspicious of the first person to post/question the previous night's events, so I'm wary of posting first.

O_O

4 deaths on Night Zero?

...

Not liking the EPenguin nitpicking. I see scum do that all the time early in the game.

It's actually the reason I was voting Stels

(seen it from Stels before)

VOTE: Stels

to see what reaction I get

WHY IS EVERYONE SO SCUMMY THIS EARLY ON

I CAN ONLY VOTE FOR ONE OF YOU

@MOD: CAN I BE GRANTED DOUBLEVOTING POWERS PLZ

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36 is :goodposting:.

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Oi, I'm already sick of THB. And your gimmick, as I called it, is being two people in real life. It's annoying, because:

A. It's hard to fight two people with two different opinions.

I don't see how. Let's say I think someone is town and Fugi thinks the same person is scum. It's possible to find both of us scummy, be it my reasoning for the townread or his for the scumread, or both.

B. You disagree with each other so no one will be able to get a proper read on you.

How do you know this? It's entirely possible to get reads on a hydra that has different opinions... have you played with a hydra before?

These things lead to confusion, and I think we can all agree that confusion lets scum thrive.

Just because 1 (your points A and B) leads to 2 (confusion) leads to 3 (scum thriving) doesn't mean A always leads to C. There's a fallacy for this, I think.

Anyhow, you're basically voting us because we're a hydra. Nice to know.

I really wish I had multiple votes. Or bullets.

@MOD: CAN I GET SOME VIG SHOTS PLZ

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Edit to an earlier post:

Just because 1 (your points A and B) leads to 2 (confusion) leads to 3 (scum thriving) doesn't mean 1 always leads to 3. There's a fallacy for this, I think.

I originally wrote ABC instead of 123 but changed it after I realized you had A and B as your points. Didn't wanna confuse.

THB - I was explaining this and why I can understand ATTM's comments

lol people always suspect me day one until they get used to my style, so I figured I'd have at it.

Again, your meta is not an excuse for scummy play. Why are you defending Attm anyways?

Unvote, Vote: bob

BTW, I like how Cobbler's vote on us is a countervote - didn't point it out earlier because I forgot my other head moved our vote. Noted for later though. Not sure if I find Cobbler scummy or not, but I've certainly got my eye on him.

Please do not speed lynch me or anything crazy

*looks at game name*

~Pie

P.S. - I'll probably try and slow down on the posting a bit until Fugi catches up and addresses some things.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

To be clear, my "scummy play" has been pointing out that I was wary of posting first because I always suspect the person who posts first?

- Trying to use your meta to excuse scummy play.
- Pseudo-defending another player for no raisin.
- Lying about reasons for voting another player.
- Overreaction to the deaths.
- Attempting to discredit my case on you by concentrating on a single point and making it look silly.
- Said point wasn't even a part of my case (you corrected me; leading to point two above).

PEdit: k.

I get a strong townread from EP's single post so far. Fugi isn't on IRC at the moment, so I'm assuming he's either asleep or busy.

What's your opinion of Cobbler?

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

BTW, I like how Cobbler's vote on us is a countervote - didn't point it out earlier because I forgot my other head moved our vote. Noted for later though. Not sure if I find Cobbler scummy or not, but I've certainly got my eye on him.

And your vote wasn't on me because of something I said about you? You know that didn't happen. You didn't vote for me because I attacked you, you voted for me because you thought my post was scummy. Likewise, I didn't vote for you because you voted for me, I voted for you because I thought you'll be confusing. Though you do seem to be getting better at organizing yourselves. Keep it up, and you just might see my vote get taken off of you.

This post is paranoid and appeal-y

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@lololololfunnypeople: Wow... Just wow. He caught scum, and a good enough reason. If you can't see it, you are blind. I like how you guys freak out at my first vote.

What an incredibly helpful and enlightening post...

While I agree that it wasn't helpful in the slightest, I usually only see townies being that big of dicks to other people.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cobblerfone

I want to see Penguin's response before our vote hits him, right now Cobbler is by far the scummiest scum in this thread.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

@lololololfunnypeople: Wow... Just wow. He caught scum, and a good enough reason. If you can't see it, you are blind. I like how you guys freak out at my first vote.

What an incredibly helpful and enlightening post...

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[01:57:49] <Fugitive> what is idugd?
[01:57:55] <iPie> good question
[02:09:35] <Fugitive> I really wish people wouldn't use acronyms that can't be looked up on the wiki
[02:10:33] <iPie> inb4 it was just random letter-mashing

» Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:09 am
"Me smashing my keyboard in anger at Penguin's scumminess." - Nacho

inafter

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

@People voting for me: What's the reasoning?

You're scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: C-Worl

Can we please have mutilvig shots?

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

*raises hand*

I'm voting you because you blindly sheeped a Penguin vote and can't even tell why beyond "you're scum."

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I'm actually getting a bussing vibe from C-Worl and Penguin the more I think about it. If either flips scum I'm going to be all over the other.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Fucking hell, I need to stop failing so much. Quoted for ISO purposes.

*raises hand*

I'm voting you because you blindly sheeped a Penguin vote and can't even tell why beyond "you're scum."

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I'm actually getting a bussing vibe from C-Worl and Penguin the more I think about it. If either flips scum I'm going to be all over the other.

~Fugi

I just explained it. But if that's how you see it then hammer Penguin and if he's town I'll let you lynch me tomorrow.

OMGUS is a null-tell, therefore your reason for voting him is invalid. Looks to me like you just searched for a bogus tell after getting called (by 2 people) on sheeping without reason.

I don't want to hammer him. Though I am slightly suspicious of Penguin, it doesn't amount to anything close to my suspicion of you and Cobble.

Note: Him flipping town would kill my bussing theory, so I'm not sure you even read what I said...

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Personally I don't see how EP is scummy, so IMO my other head is crazy.

That said.

Vote: C-Worl

GJ THB. You did it! You gave us an even lesser advantage!

I don't get it.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Also, love how quickly the wagon on me starts to build itself up..

YOOOUUU KNOOOOOOW

(to elaborate: says the person that blatantly sheeped an RVS wagon to L-1 roughly 14 hours/13 posts after the person they're sheeping voted)

Also yeah, vezok did the same thing. Got my eye on him too.

Anyways, how the fuck did we get another death exactly? Four deaths N0, okay, I can deal with that kinda. But wtf? He just voted C-Worl and went V/LA...

...

WAIT A SECOND

Unvote

until I can talk with Fugi.

Vote: Cobbler

for pseudo-placeholder (and other reasons previously stated)

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Texted Fugi. We both think the daykill looks most like a scum-daykill-WIFOM-frame against C-Worl. No one that's town would shoot that early, let alone someone who's made two posts. And I'm assuming daykill unless we find out there's some unorthodox role or odd mechanic that caused this.

Off C-Worl, guys.

PEdit: If we actually got a day-vig shot (or multiple), we would have shot Cobbler and claimed it in-thread. Yeah yeah, WIFOM, whatever.

Voting him for other reasons PLUS calling a scumteam on D1? ELL OH FUCKING ELL.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP: tars, how the fuck did you think we actually got a vigshot? Did you even read that post?

FoS tars

PEdit: god dammit bob

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Modkills would be more public and usually result in the player being made a neutral survivor. And possibly end the day.

Think about it. Wagon builds on C-Worl. Someone who made one post, voted C-Worl and went v/la is shot. While it's possible it was a scumbuddy (or maybe CW himself) trying to break the wagon up... my gut says the kill is an attempt at framing him and CW is actually town.

Although yeah, it woulda made more sense to kill someone pushing the CW lynch heavier... I'm not as sure of myself after thinking about that, but I don't mind our vote on Cobbler now anyways.

If anyone claims that shot btw, I want them lynched. There's no way a townie would have made that shot.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

*reads #103*
...

...don't get me wrong, C-Worl's not exactly the towniest person here either, but something's definitely up about that kill.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

To quote Mastin: "I am Townie McTownsperson from Townville USA"

Mastin also said if Pine was scum he'd quit playing games under Mastin and quit posting in MD.

And you remember how that turned out.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'm gone for like 6 hours and this happens? Crazysauce.

C-Worl, I doubt we're anywhere near lylo. There's no way 5 kills can happen before a lynch and allow for lylo soon. The game was said to be a bit bastardly, sure, but not unfair. My guess is that's probably the only time this many kills will happen in such succession and we have very few scum, maybe 2. Just a theory though. (Need to brush up on my Lovecraft to see if I can get anything from flavor)

As Pie said, we think the kill was a frame on C-Worl, and his reactions seem genuine enough (especially the one about anticipated lylo) that my scumdar isn't beeping quite so much on him. I was caught a bit off guard by his mindless sheep and stupid reasons, but I mix up newb tells and scum tells often. Cobbler is by far my strongest scumread and he needs the noose now.

~Fugi

P.S. if scum shot, thanks for killing random scummy lurker of all people. If town shot, coulda been worse, but you really should claim that you shot unless you have more and are protecting yourself.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Personally I don't see how EP is scummy, so IMO my other head is crazy.

That said.

Vote: C-Worl

GJ THB. You did it! You gave us an even lesser advantage!

I don't get it.

~Pie

@People voting for me: What's the reasoning?

You're scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: C-Worl

Can we please have mutilvig shots?

~Fugi

This remind you of anything?

Nope. But I guess you're having problems reading the part where Pie said we didn't have vig shots.

We'll still gladly take a few though.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Well, THB has indeed gotten better at organizing their hydra, and my vote's fallen off, might as well roll with it.

This is our 3rd game as a hydra, and Pie and I have been friends for years before starting this hydra. We were never disorganized this game, let alone disorganized then gotten together. That was an invalid reason then and now you're backing off saying something happened that never did.

Well that kill seemed pretty random. I think THB's right, it doesn't match up with a vig's kill. They're only a couple ways I think it could be a vig, and I think both are unnecessarily guessy. I would almost think SK because of the randomness, but you have to work with the simplest solution so, I'll just assume a mafia-day-kill.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

He didn't seem supsicious enough to get my vote off of THB, but since I don't think THB is worth the lynch anymore, he's currently my best bet. I mean, guessing at the set-up on page 1? Plus, I don't like the Penguin-wagon. Seriously, how did that happen again? Maybe it's cause I'm a newb but band-wagoning because of some guy? Weird.

The rest of that is super appeal-y to us. "THB is right," "THB isn't worth the lynch," and I don't like it even slightly. I'm really trying to look at this without some form or bias or not tunneling-ly, but I can't see this post as having any town motivation unless you truly believed what you were saying, and the instant change of heart and constant mention of us is not allowing me to believe this is genuine. TS vote doesn't seem genuine either.

Our Cobbler vote is staying until this scum dies.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Goddammit, TS's vote is terrible.

UNVOTE: Cobbler

I need to talk to Pie, and he's at work. I'm literally a little bit to a lot suspicious of everyone right now.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

This account just became OneHeadedBoy for at least 48 hours, quite probably longer as my partner has lost internet. We still can communicate via text (although it's a giant pain) and we've come to the agreement that our best placed vote is

VOTE: Twistedspoond

Still suspicious of Cobbler, but Twisted's vote feels off to me. Like really off. I'll see if I can find anything substantial tomorrow, and if I see nothing else that stands out I'll see if my vote belongs any place better.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

I HAVE (shitty) INTERNET NOW

And you clearly have issues with saying that you want multivigshots AND THEN denying the fact that you are a vig. I know that it's not good to believe all this random crap that players randomly generate in theme park, but hey, it's out there.

You sound like you have a large, stick-y object lodged somewhere uncomfortable.


Cobbler's right btw - if it doesn't have "normal flavor" it goes in Theme Park (Coney Island for Minis).

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Oh I think I get what you're saying.

I hate speaking for other people, but no. It looks like she's saying that not only is meta-ing vezok useless, it's even moreso useless to do after only a few RL days, on a holiday weekend to boot. You're on the right track, but you missed the former point.

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IN OTHER NEWS

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO

Unvote
Vote: vezok

WE'RE LYNCHING THIS GUY, COMPLETELY ON POLICY

YES I KNOW I GOT ON COBBLER EARLIER FOR WANTING A POLICY-HYDRA LYNCH

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T JOIN THIS WAGON IS SCUM

DISCUSS.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP

THAT WAS PIE

~PIE

[TwoHeadedBoy]

We like how EP's reads are basically people that don't suspect him. I think it's a nulltell, personally. Like being sarcastic, obviously.

Stels is scum for not voting vezok.

@C-Worl: Why didn't you suggest a policy lynch of vezok yourself? You seem pretty eager to join me on this.

@Everyone

: Just curious, who has played a game with other people also in this game? I really should have asked this earlier. Anyhow, I've played with vezok, Nacho, C-Worl, for a short time with Amrun, think I played with quadz, and have played with Sathoris. And of course my other head. Speaking of, he's only played with Nacho and C-Worl (and me).

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I KEEP FORGETTING TO SIGN

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Also, I'm down with the Vezok lynch because PLs are good ways to begin the game. And since we're speaking PLs Vezok or Bobsnox would be the best choices.

Why not push a Vezok PL to begin with though? Why did you wait for someone else to push it first?

I know why vezok's a PL, but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with bob being a policy lynchee. Elaborate on why?

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I normally get yelled at for being the first to endorse a PL.

Nice (newb)scum slip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: C-Worl

Caught one guys, we can debate policy lynches and other things tomorrow.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

@Bobs, Did you mention any reasons for your vote in those quotes of yours? Also, THB you're voting for the wrong person.

I'm here.

I'm vanilla.

Sorry for not posting but I was away and I swear I announced my V/LA.

Good Vezok for claiming.

Unvote

idugd

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Every time Amrun posts he jumps higher on my scumlist.

That vote is terrible and lacking all reason. Well, it has a reason, it's just one used by scum when they can't think of a better reason to vote someone. Stels is one of my only town reads.

C-Worl is still scum.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

*she

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I normally get yelled at for being the first to endorse a PL.

Nice (newb)scum slip.

Could you explain please?

No reason to be paranoid about getting yelled at unless you're scum. Common newbscum error.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Stels' more recent post reads more like town to me. Less happy with my vote there. Still, Stels, WHY ME = FRY ME. Seriously.

I AM BURNING WITH THE RAGE OF ONE THOUSAND SUNS. A PASSION THAT IS UNRIVALED. AN INTENSITY SO DEEP IT CANNOT BE MEASURED BY MERE MORTAL TOOLS.

YOUR EPICMAFIA LOGIC HAS FORCED THRUST MY HEAD MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH MY WALL LEAVING MANY NUMEROUS ARE LARGE CRANIAL SIZED HOLES.

(I'll send you the bill later)

I'VE FLOODED THE OCEAN WITH MY TEARS. POOR JAPAN.

AMRUN IS EITHER SCUM OR A USELESS SACK OF TOWNIE AND NEEDS TO DIE THIS VERY FUCKING MOMENT.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Amrun

C-WORL!

YOU WILL BE DEALT WITH LATER.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Get over yourself.

I've never even gone to epicmafia. I don't lynch people for "why me" posts, but they certainly usually are indicative of a scum mindset.

Neither C-Worl or myself are mafia.

I'm also not useless (generally), though my play this game has been quite shit, but that's due to the combination of Easter and finals week.

I have a life and that's just too bad.

Games suffer sometimes. I've contributed more than several other players,

so find a real reason or shut up.

Pro tip: making your font bigger and using more colorful language does not actually make your point more compelling.

I've rarely seen posts filled with more butthurt. Bolded for convenience.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I've never even gone to epicmafia. I don't lynch people for "why me" posts, but they certainly usually are indicative of a scum mindset.

It's still EM-logic. In fact, that's the exact phrase they came up with if memory serves. Plus, it's a null-tell.

What is the point of being so rude, though? I responded a little in kind, and that's my bad, but there's no real pro-town reason to be so needlessly provocative. A lot of your posts are mud-slinging. Throw some shit around and see what sticks is a common scum tactic. You now want a total of three policy lynches: me, C-Worl, and vezok, all of which with no reason except "lynch x; they annoy me."

That doesn't strike anyone strange at all?

I apologize for my other head being a bit of a dick.

vezok is a policy lynch because he's scummy in most if not all of his games. C-Worl is -NOT- a policy lynch. We think he's scum.

I don't like your play this game, so I don't object to the moving of our vote, but you're not a policy lynch either way. Fugi (and somewhat myself) think that you're either scum pushing on "why me = fry me" logic (while the logic is a nulltell, those that push it as an actual tell tend to be scum more often than not) or, ABSOLUTE BEST CASE, town that is playing less-than-stellar.

It's not policy if the person is acting scummy. The fact that you're calling some of our suspects policy lynches just because one is, is not helping you look better.

Unvote, Vote: C-Worl

to keep him at L-2 I believe. Your reaction was still crap, Amrun, so no reason to keep the vote on. Gotten enough of a read on you for now.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP: If you'd actually read our posts, we have a pretty good reason for Scum-Worl.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

In fact, C-Worl, myself, and one other person I won't reveal yet are town masons together.

this fucking game

Unvote, Vote: vezok

PEdit: hoooooly shit I have to read that. brb

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

The only scummy vibe I get off of EP is from the posts of his townreads because those are the people that think he's town.

Course, that's not even a tell exactly, so it could be town that's just influenced by the fact that these people believe he's town. Could also come from scum. Eh. Not completely sold just yet.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

One problem with the masonclaim upon remembering something.

We had two masons die N0.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

So is this a 5-man masonteam, or are there multiple masonteams?

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Amrun, if F***ing love you

Amrun/C-Worl/<one more person>
Are 99.99% town. Only 0.01% chance that they are all three pulling of a fake mason claim gambit, which honestly, would that really happen? (But if it did, that would be pretty cool >_>)

1)

FoS ant

2) No - I doubt there's more than 3-4 scum and it'd be fucking stupid to claim masons as a scumteam on D1.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

given the flavour probably a cult somewhere (can't have the tentacle dude without the devout supporters).

If Empking put a cult in here without telling us, I will rage. His "this may be considered a bastard game" doesn't cut it; it's common courtesy to announce if a setup has a cult.

Also, I never completely got the whole claiming at L-1 thing and no one is allowed to hammer. I mean, I get the points behind it, but if you really think a person is scum, a claim shouldn't make you reconsider... most of the time.

Regardless, not hammering or voting EP because I don't really see the case.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Well then, help me help you. Is there anything I can do to convince you, killer? Would you like a more verbose case with less caps? It must be pretty pathetic if I can't even convince you to vote my number one over a policy lynch .

No, I got the points you were trying to make. Your first two points are stretching and/or wrong, I don't agree with your third because I can see town and scum motivation for what EP said, and I sort of agree with your fourth point (although actually I'm looking at the post from a different angle; same general principle though).

I'm really not seeing EP-scum. I'd rather vezok or Cobbler get the noose today.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

What is this trash?
Why...
Why would you express JOY at masons outing themselves? Why?

this

This is a bad post.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about you, Spoon. You'll do.

VOTE: Twistedspoon

This post is 10x worse. I'd vote you Cobbler, but under the circumstances it wouldn't do any good. Understand why your post is terrible now?

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

No.

Also, why is it bad? He posts something scummy, I make a joke about how long it's been since he's posted, I vote him.

I'd vote you Cobbler, but under the circumstances it wouldn't do any good.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

^ Fugi?

Yeah.

Didn't bother EBWOPing because I figured it was pretty clear the exchange was with me.

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UNVOTE: VOTE: Energetic Penguin

The only people I've ever seen not claim immediately when necessary were scum. Let's see if that holds true.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

>Nights are 24 hours.
haha, good one.

>(Day One)
haha, gooder one.

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2. vezokpiraka - Vanilla Townie
6. Nachomamma8 -
7. Twistedspoon - Supersaint
9. Cobblerfone - Vanilla Townie
10. C-Worl - Mason
12. TwoHeadedBoy - Vanilla Townie
13. tarsonisocelot -
14. Stels -

tarsonisocelot, go.

If I had to guess on a theory I'd say there's probably one scum and one Searial Killer, one of which also has a DK ability and both of whom got 2 kills N0 for some reason. If we hit a lylo before Day 4 then the game is not just bastardly but unfair. I can deal with the former, but the latter makes for poor form.

@Cobbler - What was your motivation for picking us?
Also, seeking mason and deputy aren't THAT normal, so don't rule out supersaint on obscurity.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Makes sense, thanks.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

@THB: why tarson?

Well, I thought about Nacho because as scum claiming later is more of an advantage and a player as good as Nacho could utilize it more, but Nacho could also claim better early leaving less of a chance to catch a fake claim. I decided on tars because I think lurker scum is more likely than Nacho scum and I want scum to have less time and information to work out their fake claims. Basically just picked the person of the 3 left to claim I felt was most likely scum.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'm majorly suspicious of Tars asking Amrun if the third was still alive and then magically Amrun dies before he can answer.

Not suspicious since you can answer the question as well. It only would be if Amrun was the only person who could have answered.

I'm going to assume the 3rd person is alive though, because based on Amrun's death masons flip mason...

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

2. vezokpiraka - Vanilla Townie
6. Nachomamma8 -
7. Twistedspoon - Supersaint
9. Cobblerfone - Vanilla Townie
10. C-Worl - Mason
12. TwoHeadedBoy - Vanilla Townie
13. tarsonisocelot - VT
14. Stels - VT

GEE

I WONDER

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Right, so. VT claims are vezok, Cobbler, THB, tars, Stels.

We're town. We agree that Stels is probably town. Twisted is most likely town and scum won't be able to afford to leave him alive even with the masons, so we leave him alone for today anyways. If he stays alive for a while, we can easily test his claim by having a scummy person hammer him. Win/win.

Minus Nacho (who is mason by PoE) and C-Worl, the lynch pool leaves us with... vezok, Cobbler and tars.

Three scum in an apparently odd-mechanic setup fits pretty well, don'tcha think?

PEdit: lol Nacho. At least put more creativity into your jokes, c'mon.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Both heads from this hydra agree on not lynching Stels. Why not vezok?

We'll blindly sheep Cobbler and tars wagons and I'd prefer those two first over vezok anyways.

PEdit: I wouldn't say confirmed... it's a bit WIFOM-Y. Down for a cobbler lynch though.

Dunno if you'd believe me or not, but I was asleep when Day started. Think Fugi was too. 7 AM is way too fucking early for me.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP: 5 AM. I was looking at the time of the Amrun kill, not the Day start.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I was awake, but I was writing a term paper and definitely not paying attention to this game.

Also, don't rule out that they could possibly send a day kill but not have it happen until Emp is on or can tell Emp to wait until a certain time for it to happen.

Can you explain your aversion to a vezok lynch, Nacho?

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I don't see where Stels has done anything particularly town-ish. Could you point out why you've decided that Stels is town.

Our reason: general (slightly dickish) townie attitude. Plus we skimmed his other games in ISO and he seems to have very distinct metas as town and scum. This matches with his townmeta.

Even aside from meta and gut, he has at LEAST one, if not two, if not THREE people that are scummier than him IMO. We're not lynching him today, at all.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'd like link to a game with you as scum and one as town.

You're in luck. We've only had two completed games.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15977 - town
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16798 - scum

Anyway, the thing that makes me want to lynch them is, like I said, when Penguin got to L-1 the first time, they wanted to wait for him to claim, when Penguin got to L-1 the second time, they decided to "go against their better judgment" so to speak, and hammered him. Could you also explain yourselves? Preferably seperately.

I didn't think EP was scum. I refused to vote/hammer him. Fugitive apparently thinks not claiming right away when asked is a scumtell and decided to hammer. I was pissed. That's pretty much it.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I didn't think EP was scum. I refused to vote/hammer him. Fugitive apparently thinks not claiming right away when asked is a scumtell and decided to hammer. I was pissed. That's pretty much it.

~Pie

This, but I'd like to add that it was simply situational. I'm not going to call you scum if you don't claim immediately and you're not L-1 to L-2 or so.

Can't believe you of all people are trying to misrep me, Pie you derp.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

@Cobblerfone: because that was my first vote = RVS. Right.

@THB & Nacho, how the fuck do you think it is town?

Reading the thread helps answer many questions before you ask them.

~Fugi

P.S. hint: page 12.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Can you link to some games that you consider good examples of Stels' town and scum play? (ones that aren't too confusing please)

SSB Maf for a town game, and this one for a scum game. His other games are newbies - check his wiki and search the games yourself if you want more proof.

Just ISO a few posts and look how he talks as each alignment.

Also: VOTE: Cobblerfone

~Pie