Open 295 -- Island Paradise Mafia -- Game Over

[farside22]

In regards to my VI comments about cj it's more then that.
Here are the moments that came off as VI:

Wait, we're not RVSing any more?

Unvote

I'm confoozled, I got here and RVSd and got told off?

No, I know nothing.

How else would a Mafia Goon die, though? With your proposed TTTTCVB, there'll only be one Vig.

So... Farside

doesn't

have a DayKill?

It's cute, newbiesh feel more. I also as I said before found the thought process that cj had in regards to the argument between fitz and myself coming from a town prospective.
Also you can blame the avatar too. Every time I see Lindsey (the character from total drama) I have this ditzy blond that seems to fit cj's post.

[farside22]

I don't like how ZF missed his hammer. I mean: this is a hammer how dammit he could miss it? Well it happens with townies too... but. I disagree with impossibility of ZF+TT team. It looks like ZF theatricality. Like: "Oh, I'm gonna hamma, hamma, hamma" then "ooops, missed it, not my fault it was others who messed it". So if TT flips scum he would be kinda clear.

The same could be said about ZF if he flips scum doesn't that kinda of clear TT?
Listen here is what I see.

Sundy finds ZF scummy
ZF stated he finds Sundy scummy.
Frankly I see them both scummy for separate reasons. However when I see someone vote for weak reason's while saying they want more time for discussion it rings all sorts of false bells in my head.
What is the point of saying lets talk more and in your next post saying, meh nothing is going on lets vote (thinking it's a hammer) TT.

[ToastyToast]

Hmm... From what I've said (i.e. from my "chain" post above ^^^) I don't see how lynch would be chained (prolonged?) on ZF if you flip town. Which makes me think that you going to flip scum, and admit it.

Because clearing ZF as town based on a town flip by me is still bad play and 2) I re-read that post. the las part "So if TT flips scum he would be kinda clear," what would be clear?

[yabbaguy]

So Yabba: Your fine with ZF's lack of comment and vote on TT while really offering nothing of value to the game today? Why?

You've lost me a bit with that question.

ZeroFang and Toast both have a very low activity level overall. I'm not surprised ZeroFang has just reverted to his old lurky McLurkerson ways, and Toast's post size is low. Again, I still prefer the latter since I think the content's been lower than usual. We're hitting massive brickwalls here and ToastyToast really should've been the lynch ages ago.

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Buddy propsect with Toast that's jumping out is Sundy. I'm looking at this...

@ZF: Why is Toast scummy for his vote and not Fitz, DRK, CJ & Jora, who also hopped on a bandwagons with limited reasoning?

and just the general lack of other mentions to Toast, and I think I have a lead presuming Toast flips red.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.07

L-1 ToastyToast - 4 - }|{opa, cjdrum, ZeroFang, yabbaguy
cjdrum - 2 - DeathRowKitty, ToastyToast
ZeroFang - 2 - Sundy, farside22

Not Voting: havingfitz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: May 9.

V/LA: ZeroFang through Monday May 2

DeathRowKitty has been prodded.

[Jora]

However when I see someone vote for weak reason's while saying they want more time for discussion it rings all sorts of false bells in my head.
What is the point of saying lets talk more and in your next post saying, meh nothing is going on lets vote (thinking it's a hammer) TT.

I myself wouldn't call that a weak reason. Yes, I have not much evidences. In fact no strong scumtells at all - just guesswork. But I strongly feel TT is a scum.
And I was busy when saying that we shouldn't hurry with hammer, I was afraid to miss something. Now I am confident.
Also, I'm sorry, but I can't see Sundy & ZF as a scum team. May be I'm wrong, will see.

Hmm... From what I've said (i.e. from my "chain" post above ^^^) I don't see how lynch would be chained (prolonged?) on ZF if you flip town. Which makes me think that you going to flip scum, and admit it.

Because clearing ZF as town based on a town flip by me is still bad play and 2) I re-read that post. the las part "So if TT flips scum he would be kinda clear," what would be clear?

I don't think that ZF would be cleared as town by your flip, either. I would be null connection between you and ZF, then. In first post (related to this discussion) I had presumed only one connection - "if you flip scum -> ZF's alignment should be explored asap (farside was not quite correct imo; ZF will not have been forgotten in case if TT flips scum and vice versa; TT&ZF team is by no means impossible; TT -scum -> chain-> ZF is probably too)".

By the last part I meant "ZF is dramatically trying to distance from your scum-flip".

[Jora]

First qoute is farside, not TT.

[havingfitz]

Two weeks ago DRK mentioned providing comment/analysis of the game. That still hasn't happened. Instead...he hasn't posted since Sunday and his last three posts have been a BW vote with absolutley no reasoning provided on someone he had not expressed suspicions of previously (that I can find) and a few joke posts about the apple doing the thinking for her.

VOTE: DRK

I would vote TT if it came down to a deadline decision between him and a no lynch. I do suspect him (TT) and would be interested in seeing how he flipped but I'm in no rush to end the day despite the fact there isn't a lot of discussion going on. It's a coin toss for me TT but in all honesty...I don't have extremely strong town or scum reads on anyone (ie I don't know wtf is scum )

Also mod...in case there is a lynch before the weekend is over, I'll be v/LA May 2-4.

[Sundy]

ZeroFang and Toast both have a very low activity level overall. I'm not surprised ZeroFang has just reverted to his old lurky McLurkerson ways, and Toast's post size is low. Again, I still prefer the latter since I think the content's been lower than usual. We're hitting massive brickwalls here and ToastyToast really should've been the lynch ages ago.

Toast's "post size" is 64 posts compared to your 42 (both in the upper half of the player spectrum). Unless you're talking about the number of words as opposed to the number of posts. Either way, I don't really think his activity level is low, especially given the standards of this game.

Jora, I'm reading over your posts and noticing that you're talking in many, many posts about how ZF is bad without putting a vote down on him the whole day. You seem to be more focused on him than Toast, so why not vote him?

ZF is on "possible emergency V/LA," which I doubt will take us anywhere for the next few days. In the meantime, Fitz has got a point: DRK needs to come back and give real reads.

unvote, vote DRK

[farside22]

Also, I'm sorry, but I can't see Sundy & ZF as a scum team. May be I'm wrong, will see.

Sorry I didn't explain myself. I see Sundy and ZF scum for seperate reason's but I do not believe they are scum together.
I have 2 seperate scum teams with those 2 players.

I see ZF and Yabba scum team to be frank

g2g will finish this later

[havingfitz]

EBWOP:

It's a coin toss for me TT but in all honesty...

I don't have extremely strong town or scum reads on anyone (ie I don't know wtf is scum )

Should have read "It's a coin toss for me between DRK and TT but in all honesty..."

[DeathRowKitty]

Unvote: cjdrum

That was the apple's vote, not mine. I've since eaten the apple, so all is well (2 new apples have taken its place (THEY'RE MULTIPLYING!!!), but they don't seem to care who I vote).

In all seriousness (assuming of course that I'm ever serious), I've long since forgotten who's scummy for what. Something useful will be posted from this account in the next few days, even if I have to get my other personality to post it for me!

[Nobody Special]

cjdrum has been prodded.

[cjdrum]

Ack, prod dodge. Nothing really happened, as far as I could tell... Small half-ish case for DRK, saying neither of TT or I are that scummy, comments on VI-ocy...

And DRK's at L-3, popping in with [see previous post]. I can see a sort of case-ish thing against DRK, but won't vote there just yet. I'll

UNVOTE: ToastyToast

To allow for some talking, though.

[farside22]

Cjdrum: Who are your scum suspects and why?
Will you be following this whole game? You gave me some hope when you had your own oppinion and view on how you saw my actions. what do you think of Sundy/Yabba/ZF?

All thoughts and views would be appreciated.

[ToastyToast]

@ZF: Why is Toast scummy for his vote and not Fitz, DRK, CJ & Jora, who also hopped on a bandwagons with limited reasoning?

and just the general lack of other mentions to Toast, and I think I have a lead presuming Toast flips red.

What makes this buddying and not a legitimate question? ZF challenging me because of my vote, but ignoring the others IS something that can be scummy. This is a bad link between us, but his ignoring me is valid.

I myself wouldn't call that a weak reason. Yes, I have not much evidences. In fact no strong scumtells at all - just guesswork. But I strongly feel TT is a scum.

So its a gut read?

By the last part I meant "ZF is dramatically trying to distance from your scum-flip".

Except he's on my wagon. And v/LA.

[yabbaguy]

What makes this buddying and not a legitimate question? ZF challenging me because of my vote, but ignoring the others IS something that can be scummy. This is a bad link between us, but his ignoring me is valid.

It pings as possible buddying because of the fact that Sundy's trying to do the work of what scum usually do ("There are better choices than me!") That's what I was after.

[havingfitz]

Mod...I'll be v/LA from Monday till Wednesday, 2-4 May.

[Jora]

My dreams comes true.
VOTE: DRK

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.08

DeathRowKitty - 3 - havingfitz, Sundy, }|{opa
ToastyToast - 2 - ZeroFang, yabbaguy
cjdrum - 1 - ToastyToast
ZeroFang - 1 - farside22

Not Voting: DeathRowKitty, cjdrum

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: May 9.

V/LA: ZeroFang through Monday May 2; havingfitz through Wednesday May 4

[yabbaguy]

This is a poor choice. I'd really rather table DRK seeing how Town he was in the former part of the game as I see it. We can revisit it on a later Day, but honestly, fuck that wagon. Toast is guilty of the same effects of active lurking and uselessness and still hasn't helped out the Town.

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii hate this gammmmmmmmmmmmmme so mucccccccch. ._.

[Sundy]

DRK is ignoring the pressure so far, almost laughing it off, even after 2 votes on him(/?) (and now a third). Eventually he (she?) will have to take questions seriously.

DRK: did you answer my gender question???

[farside22]

Sundy what is the point of what DRK's gender is?

[Sundy]

Gender gives insight into psychology and I also just want to know.

[Jora]

Gender gives insight into psychology and I also just want to know.

Go to "face with a name" thread then. He's male.