Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

[Surye]

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

[Surye]

Whooooooooooooa Katsuki. What's the deal? LLD and Katsuki jumped on me hard for one post:

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

During RVS everyone is talking about Fate, fake dayvigging fate, etc, etc. I have no idea what's going on, and I post. Suddenly OBVSCUM!!!1!!!

I like Nopoint's analysis of GI:

BTW

My genre is "Epic Cover Rock"

I'm wondering based on the two roles we see up there if the scum is non-Rock music.

Or am I totally off base?

Pretty hardcore fishing right here.

Well, I am a rock-rap blend so it is possible. Is anyone NOT rock?

Also, can we not flavor speculate on Day 1? Thanks~

I'm honestly just curious if anyone isn't rock.

And he pushes harder...

GI, you seriously want to start this game on my scum list?

This isn't a pro town question. At the VERY best it's null. In any case, it shouldn't be answered.

I honestly don't care. I'm curious, and I want it answered.

And harder (note, he says he doesn't care, just curious, then demands an answer, sounds pretty disingenuous.

@Grey: I suggest you divert your efforts elsewhere. LLD and I are alignment confirmed masons.

Hmmm? I'm just curious if everyone is Rock or if there's other music genres.

Okay, last one as this quote barrage is getting obnoxious.

And his role name confirmation, assuming that's what MoI did, doesn't really tell us much. As we still don't have a clear connection between alignment and role flavor.
VOTE: GreyICE

[Surye]

TIL: Rolefishing is town.

[Surye]

Uhhh, sorry, forgot to post my V/LA in this thread, but it is in my sig. I picked up the prod on my phone but could not post from it on the road.

[Surye]

I see NO case on me. I have nothing to respond to, yet I am the biggest wagon? Who's leading all of you? Oh, ALL CAPS POSTS turn you all into sheep.

[Surye]

I see NO case on me. I have nothing to respond to, yet I am the biggest wagon? Who's leading all of you? Oh, ALL CAPS POSTS turn you all into sheep.

Well lets see. You voted for me for rolefishing after

your own analysis

concluded that the town wouldn't give up any useful information by giving out what I was asking about. So basically you quoted a bunch of stuff, concluded it wouldn't hurt the town because there is really no discernible connection between genre and roles (which is what I suspected anyway), and then voted me.

Just because I think there's no connection doesn't mean you weren't scummy for pushing hard for it while trying to pretend like you didn't really care.

Also your commentary on the Fate wagon was loltastic.

From page 1? Loooool. Lets take page 1 that serious.

[Surye]

I'll just ask this - if genre/song claiming (and I really only was asking genre, specifically types of Rock) isn't bad for the town, why would scum ask about it? If scum don't learn anything, why am I scummy for suggesting it? If there's no scum motive for me doing it... why are you voting for me?

Where did I say "scum don't learn anything" or "isn't bad for the town"?

I said:

And his role name confirmation, assuming that's what MoI did, doesn't really tell us much. As we still don't have a clear connection between alignment and role flavor.

Which is to say, we as town don't have a clear connection, that does not mean that scum does not. I don't see how you got that it "isn't bad for the town" or "scum don't learn anything". If anything, saying there's no clear connection, and that your ambivalent push for role information, is showing that I think it's not in towns interest, speculation is not in towns best interest, and you're twisting my words like crazy to justify a vote.

[Surye]

DAMMIT SURYE DONT IGNORE MY QUESTION!

I shall ask once more:
Do you think anyone on your wagon is scum? If so, who?

Still catching up from my V/LA! I'll get to you

[Surye]

It doesn't tell us anything seems to me to be pretty clear that it... doesn't tell us anything.

But pray tell, demonstrate that I'm wrong. Explain what it might tell the scum.

"Dream On" - Epic Cover Rock
Funktastic Rock
Southern Artistic Rock
Rock-Rap Hybrid
"My Soul, Your Beats"

Quick, use your magic and divine something interesting that scum would definitely want to know from this information. If you can figure out concrete information scum would like to have here, then tell me and I'll self-vote and you can lynch me out of the thread.

Because if it doesn't exist, then you're FOSing me based on hypothetical magic.

Scum have shared information town does not. The fact that you KNOW this won't help, and won't even entertain the idea, are using it as a crusade against me, and say scummy things like "I'll self-vote" tells me your level of confidence can only come from information. And your push for something you are now running me up the flagpole with in TONS of your posts in this game is all the more scummy. I love my vote right now.

Glass, I'd say GI is probably the most outwardly scummy on my wagon. And he took his time getting on there till I showed some apperent "flaky"ness even though my sig has shown V/LA in Las Vegas all weekend.

[Surye]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Surye

Recent flurry of posting after the wagon looks to take some form is ugly as fuck. V/LA ended the 8th, it is now the 10th. You went the entirety of the 9th without posting. Now he's blaming inactivity on the V/LA. That ended on the 8th. What happened the 9th?

Back-and-forth overall on the genre-claiming is ugly, and one of the cheaper-tricks in the book (He wants to claim something? He must be scum!), and he's actually just waffled on the issue wherever it's been convenient for him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Surye

I'm sorry my vacation plans didn't coincide exactly with my V/LA, I will make sure we don't run late for you next time. Try something more substantial that attacking my V/LA. 1 day is nothing.

[Surye]

Your twisting of words is pretty transparent, btw.

[Surye]

I articulated it just fine. I articulated what I originally said, not what you said I said.

All I originally said was that we have no idea what the role/alignment correlation is. I never said anything about how helpful/unhelpful, protown/antitown it is, but you preceded to try and make that my argument, and then argue against your false statement.

[Surye]

You're voting for me, so you must think that the information is anti-town enough that I, as scum, would be willing to put myself in the spotlight this way and draw attention to myself.

If it's not antitown, then why is your vote on me?

I think you're anti-town by trying to misrepresent what I say. Also, that you are confident that the information has no relevance or anti-town aspects makes me suspect you have more information that townies have, like a scum would.

[Surye]

Nah. Scum absolutely looooooovvveeee attacking people for random 'anti-town' things. It's so very useful to throw a few out and see who bites. Examples include:

Votes with no reasoning
Votes with 'teehee' reasoning
Roleplaying
Something that doesn't hand out any information, but can be interpreted as role fishing (Genre of music, gender of characters, etc.)

Town tend to react more or less like Glass/LLD - either agree or disagree, but overall evaluate the intent. Scum react much much much more like Surye - "Oh, look, a nice safe scumtell I can park my vote on and do NOTHING ELSE AT ALL."

ThAd, what gave you town vibes about his last post?

Then why did you vote me before I supposedly said "Oh, look, a nice safe scumtell I can park my vote on and do NOTHING ELSE AT ALL".

[Surye]

Because you had me voted first, and while I was V/LA, for inactivity? NICE AND SAFE.

[Surye]

Because I've been the target of many all caps posts, with no cases. And it's frustrating to play on a L-1 wagon with no case, just LOLOL LYNCH SURYE, WE ARE CONFIRMED MASON SO EVERYONE LISTEN TO US LOLOL.

I guess at L-1, claim time:
Song: Tuesday’s Gone, by Lynyrd Skynyrd – Melancholy Southern Rock, I'm a gravedigger.

This game has gone retarded, everyone's following LLD and Katsuki off a cliff.

[Surye]

p.s. Trying to discredit pg1 actions as random was pretty bad too.

Not as random, as confused at what was going on. I didn't see what the scumtell of asking about the growing wagon was. And no one would tell me. My wagon started on page 1 when I asked what was going on.


Woooo.

Fun.

[Surye]

Your reaction to the Fatetown wagon was scummy as fuck.

Then Fate pointed out a pretty good point against you in his vote.

How is that scummy? That makes no sense. You can't just call something scummy and it is.

[Surye]

Wrong, that's not a contradiction. I can be confused by page1 randomness, and that all still hold true.

[Surye]

Okay. And given what I posted Page 1, so what?

[Surye]

Gravedigger?!

Seriously, a gravedigger, IN A MINI?!

.....................

Yup.

[Surye]

Okay. And given what I posted Page 1, so what?

It told us you are scum.

HOW?!

I cannot play and defend myself if what you say clearly doesn't mean anything to me, clearly I am missing some meta-mafia strategy of scumtells, but I cannot defend what I don't understand. Try being helpful and explaining.

[Surye]

LLD: I can take the ability of any dead person as a 1shot.

[Surye]

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

This is scum wanting to comment on a wagon, but afraid to put their vote down for fear of drawing attention.

It's also a good way to draw others onto Fate's wagon, without having to incriminate yourself by being on it.

THAT'S why it's scummy.

Alright, I can see that, but I was half confused why the wagon exists, and half jokingly commenting on the WAY everyone was voting on her, hence the ":P"

[Surye]

E6)

Expect the unexpected. Do not assume that standard expectations are applicable to the game.

I'm not ready to second guess the mod on this one..

[Surye]

;_;

So much for alignment confirmed....
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Katsuki

[Surye]

Surye-GreyICe stuff on page 8 just looks weird. I don't really see gi's case for surye as all that powerful and it looks like surye was just trying to defend himself. Further AGar's vote looks rather opportunistic. The grave digger claim seems a bit absurd, but scum claiming such a role would be ballsy (Wifom? maybe...)
Still, he hasn't done crap apart from defending himself.

I still like my GI analysis, though the timing made it look OMGUS, unfortunately. I did get into defensive mode, but I was trying to derail my wagon as I approached L-1, and ended up being forced to claim. It happens.

I also want to keep my Katsuki vote, the way she wagoned and pushed so hard over what I still see as a weak case was pretty scummy, and when the wagon turned on her, and her "alignment confirmed mason" turned on her, the response was way scummy to me. Looking like she doesn't really care, ";_;" post, the lack of trying to defend herself or asking what the scumtell was. This was all really bad to me.

[Surye]

God I hate these all-caps posts.

[Surye]

@Surye: What reason (flavor-wise) do you have for the gravedigger role?

No idea. The lyric next to that ability is "Tuesday, you see, she had to be free, but somehow I’ve got to carry on."

[Surye]

*waiting patiently for Katsuki's L-1 post*

[Surye]

Likely scum remaining:

Nopoint - end of day with Kats and wagon was terribad. Definitely look into lynching him.
AGar - Him and Glass both on Thad is pretty bad. Interactions with Kats wagon bad.
RBT - vote might be a late bus.

others:

Surye - Damn I hope he can snag and use Weak Doc today. Or god I hope he snagged Roleblocker last night, that'd be AWESOME.
Thad - likely town
Fate - confirmed town from interactions imho.
CP - town
Bvoight - doubt you bus the RB that early on day 1. If LLD had lived, you'd be facing down a cop+doctor combo with no RB. That's death.

RB grabbed, asking mod if I can store them, or if I have to use them before grabbing another one.

[Surye]

Likely scum remaining:

Nopoint - end of day with Kats and wagon was terribad. Definitely look into lynching him.
AGar - Him and Glass both on Thad is pretty bad. Interactions with Kats wagon bad.
RBT - vote might be a late bus.

others:

Surye - Damn I hope he can snag and use Weak Doc today. Or god I hope he snagged Roleblocker last night, that'd be AWESOME.
Thad - likely town
Fate - confirmed town from interactions imho.
CP - town
Bvoight - doubt you bus the RB that early on day 1. If LLD had lived, you'd be facing down a cop+doctor combo with no RB. That's death.

RB grabbed, asking mod if I can store them, or if I have to use them before grabbing another one.

Scratch that, my ability was one shot as well, I must have miss read that. Oh well, glad I got RB.

[Surye]

Oh no, use RB. Just claim your target today. Glass is 100% a scum flip, so every Roleblock confirms one town if there's a night kill. With you calling your target, you won't overlap with the vigilante.

My RB is also 1shot, then I will become vanilla. But one night should be helpful nonetheless

[Surye]

Interesting point: Glass opened a QT with me, making me his Neighbor, last night. Are there many anti-town roles that can recruit unconfirmed masons (this is an honest question I don't know)?

[Surye]

VOTE: Glass
Will read more intently later, but this is the obvious course of action.

This is hammer if I count correctly...

[Surye]

Dammit.

Surye, if MoI locks, Roleblock Agar. I'll cop among bad vig shots.

crazypianist1116 is RBed.

[Surye]

Okay, miss counted. Glass at L-1.

GI, confirm my RB target change, Agar. I feel better about this now that I'm not rushed and could think.

[Surye]

Glass, any last words before I hammer? Claim if you wish, but I have already forced your hand in this matter.

[Surye]

Just hammer Glass. Grey isn't scum here unless he's trollingly suicidal with a vig on the loose

Was hoping he'd give something up, but I don't see that happening at this point.

VOTE: Glass

[Surye]

Someone gave me a gun, 1shot vig here. Chance of NK to frame you agar at this point is silly. Agar gets lunches today. No more mafia rb, so I can vig unblocked. CP? Think there is an SK? Or does a vig want to take credit?

[Surye]

Ebwop: lynched... Stupid phone. Haha.

[Surye]

CP, I like you as SK, 8 posts all game, only come out to jump on a wagon. I don't think you'd double bus, so SK makes sense to me.

[Surye]

Yeah I can see that point of view but I'm not. Both were good lynches.
Throughout day 1, my schoolwork kept me ridiculously busy so I didn't post a lot. Day 2 was 5.5 hours. 2nd shortest I've been in (AGar knows the first).
Also, if we're just going by number of posts, RBT has only posted 11 times.

Good lynches for an SK too But I am waiting on claims and a couple hours for a reread.

[Surye]

LOLSCUMCLAIM

Seriously.

You were roleblocked by what's hios name last night.

Scum kill is missing

?????

Scum would never ever ever see a claimed RB on a townie and not submit a kill in ORDER to ensure the mislynch, amirite?



The fact that you can't see the OBVIOUS flaw right there...

VOTE: Fate

Honestly, how many mafia do you think are left? What do you think about SK or Vig?

[Surye]

1 mafia left.

2nd kill on N1 was potentially Nikanor protecting a scumbag. Or an SK. Don't think vig really, although Nik has a tendency of flaking/lurking so it could have possibly been a vig shot.

Again, something else Fate has not even once considered, the weak doc function.

This is why I'm leaning Fate double-bussing scum.

Assume the NK framing.

Consider, what is more likely, Fate doublebussed, and is the scum who NKed. Or scum is someone else who NK to frame you? We have a lot of lurky players. I don't see Fate as scum in this game.

Granted, I have double bussed before as mafia and won it, but the second bus has to come later (less people alive) to be effective in my opinion.

[Surye]

VOTE: AGar

I don't really see the point in massclaiming yet. If AGar flips town, we might as well give remaining power roles an extra day or two to use their abilities.

I still think the vig should claim, so we know what we are hunting. If no vig, we have to find the SK.

[Surye]

If you're going to clear people as town because they're not as lurky, just fucking lynch me now please. Seriously, you deserve to lose if that's your logic.

That's NOT what I said. I asked why Fate, the "double busser", over someone else. Reading comprehension.

[Surye]

VOTE: AGar

I don't really see the point in massclaiming yet. If AGar flips town, we might as well give remaining power roles an extra day or two to use their abilities.

I still think the vig should claim, so we know what we are hunting. If no vig, we have to find the SK.

SK could easily claim vig, though.

And we would play on that possibility.

[Surye]

Yea, good point on inventor and cop-shooting-vig. Hammer time.

VOTE: AGar

[Surye]

Dear Fate,

Fuck you.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: AGar

Unnecessary, it's a game. Play to win, and show some sportsmanship.

[Surye]

Vote:Fate

Fate visited bvoigt last night, I received a 1-shot track on N1, missed Night 2 becuz I was on VLA and used it on Fate last night becuz I was suspicious of the way he boasts his achievements. I think he's likely SK. Congratulations again for being scum

OH SNAP

I was sooooo close to vigging him last night as suspected SK. But I thought CP was a better call, and no one spoke up to help me yesterday.

Right now, off the top of my head, I'm thinking:

Fate:SK
Riceballtail OR ThAdmiral: Maf

But I need to reeeeeeeeaaaaaaad.

[Surye]

Also, it needs to be said, SK or not, Fate has been doing some terrific scum hunting. Just as an SK should.

[Surye]

In addition, I received a gift from someone on N1. I was given a Top 40 chart. During a night phase, I can use the ability to see how many anti-town players were on a day's lynch.

N2:

Someone gave me a gun, 1shot vig here. Chance of NK to frame you agar at this point is silly. Agar gets lunches today. No more mafia rb, so I can vig unblocked. CP? Think there is an SK? Or does a vig want to take credit?

SO WHERED YOU GET THIS FANCY "TRACK" FROM NOPOINT?

Honestly, I'm glad you saw this, I didn't in my read through Nopoint?

[Surye]

Its easier when know for a fact Nopoint is lying.

Or maybe its just my photographic memory.

EIETHER WAY

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED YOU BELIEVED HIM OVER ME YOU LIL PUNK.

WHO SAVED YOU FROM KATSUKI D1?

WHO WAS IT?

To be honest, I suspected you going into the night, take it as a compliment, trust me

[Surye]

I HAVE NEVER BEEN MISVIGGED BEFORE, AN D YOU DON"T WANT TO BE THE FIRST, TRUST ME

I WOULDNT TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT. CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY YOU PULLED YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

I wish I could take away your capslock and shift keys....

[Surye]

SK who visited bvoight yesterday.

Wooo, scum claim. Why is SK derezz and scum corrupted? (my 1shot vig deleted). I see no evidence you should know this as town.

[Surye]

VOTE: nopointinactingup

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[Surye]

SK who visited bvoight yesterday.

Wooo, scum claim. Why is SK derezz and scum corrupted? (my 1shot vig deleted). I see no evidence you should know this as town.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE NO CORRUPTION ON N2??

Easy, Mafia Roleblocker blocked SK. Seriously?

[Surye]

Roleblocker died DAY ONE.

Scum probably no killed to frame AGar knowing I'd eat it up... which I did -_-

Oops, haha. Silly me. But still, that proves nothing about why he has such confident info.

[Surye]

If SK and Maf both target the same, which would go through? Is there a standard order?

[Surye]

Differs with mod. What do you mean which would "go through"? If two people killed the same person that guy would be DEADZORZ either way

I mean which flavor

[Surye]

Vote: nopoint

@ surye: If he's not scum kill fate obv

I was 1shot

[Surye]

@ surye: Who'd you use it on?

CP, Like I said I would during the day, opened the decision for review, no one commented :/

[Surye]

Fate, I really wanted to believe you were SK, but I really only thought about it once nopoint was lynched. You were town enough for me not to press the point before hammer, and of course, I wasn't around later to question the OP of BP, and the need for BP SK to balance your win chances in this setup. GG I had a lot of fun anyways.

[Surye]

I happen to believe it to be in poor taste as well. The post was when he was hammered, so it wasn't an attempt to do anything regarding his wincon, just to spite another player. Not against the rules, just in poor taste.

Of course not NEARLY as poor taste as Agar's self vote. That was terrible.

[Surye]

Why are mommy and daddy fighting?