Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

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Is fate really that bad?

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Imma go ahead and answer. I am also a type of rock.

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LLD and I are alignment confirmed masons.

Wait, actually?

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I have no idea whether people are being serious or just fucking with me.

This game seems like it's going to be entertaining!

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LLD and I are alignment confirmed masons.

Wait, actually?

I don't see any pro-town reason to ask this question.

clarity?

Really, isn't it obvious? Scum do want to know if you're actually a mason, and town wouldn't want power roles outed so early.

I don't think it's that black and white. Given that they have outed themselves I want to make sure they aren't joking/are telling the truth.

FATE GI LOOKS BAD AND ALL BUT YOU REALLY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SURYESCUM.

WHICH ONES SURYE AND WHAT DID HE DO AGAIN?

Because GreyICE could be scum, right? But I think by your reaction, either your his scumbuddy or your scum with an overreaction and Grey is town.
In both cases your scum.

Unvote. Vote:Glass

There's something in this.
I think glass needs more scrutiny. People are changing their votes too quickly, meaning the scum just have to weather it out in the knowledge that the focus on them will pass.

vote: glass

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There's something in this.
I think glass needs more scrutiny. People are changing their votes too quickly, meaning the scum just have to weather it out in the knowledge that the focus on them will pass.

OH STOP GIVING NOPOINT AND SUYRE POINTERS

ITS WAY TOO OBVIOUS

I'M GIVING

YOU

A POINTER.

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I think that would be pretty exciting actually.

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I have no idea whether people are being serious or just fucking with me.

This game seems like it's going to be entertaining!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nopointinactingup
GreyIce case is lulz. I'll be more explanatory when I'm not falling asleep.

This post...

This post...

What the fuck is going on here?

Yeah. Gotta be a misquote. Lol.

Nah, what's the fun in scumhunting when you're just going to get lazy and give up like this.

I mean it's page 6 and you're reduced to answering accusations that you are offering advice to your scumbuddies with WIFOM about who those buddies are.

I was offering advice to the town at large to be fair.

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ThAd wagon needs more fuel to launch.

Wagons generally don't use fuel. As far as I can tell they are generally horse-drawn.

I think you're mixing metaphors dude.

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His name is crazypianist. Emphasis on the "crazy".

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I had a look at the case on Surye based on some recommendations by a couple of fine people above me (i.e. ^^).

Is it good enough to warrant a vote?

Sure yeah! (see what I did there)

vote: surye

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Just kidding, I don't actually think there is a good case there. I just did it so I could say the

terrible

excellent joke.

unvote
vote: glass

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All give me a really bad vibe. He's not actually

looking

for anything scum or town oriented, just posting random bullshit and running around like a retard who got the keys to the psychiatric ward. He's more focused on bad jokes and bullshit nonsense than actually playing here to find anything of importance.

I'm sorry for making jokes and ruining the game. I'll stop now.

I'm sorry my vacation plans didn't coincide exactly with my V/LA, I will make sure we don't run late for you next time.

He forgot to add this but I'm certain Surye meant to apologize to agar for ruining the game as well.

Where I am coming from re: Surye

Regardless of whether town=rock and scum=not-rock, or scum=rock it doesn't make sense for Surye-scum to attack greyice for genre-fishing. If scum=not-rock it would be a risky move for a scum to do as they would come of

looking

not-rock and if/when they were to flip it would more or less confirm to the town that town=rock/scum=not-rock. On the other hand it doesn't make sense for scum=rock to attack greyice; they are getting more information from the town after all and if someone puts their hand up to say they

aren't

rock they could be the target of an easy mislynch.

Is that clear? It makes sense to me.

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@Surye
Do you think that there is scum on your wagon? If so, who do you think it is?

Do

you

think there is scum on the wagon? If so who do

you

think it is?

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Nah. Scum absolutely looooooovvveeee attacking people for random 'anti-town' things. It's so very useful to throw a few out and see who bites. Examples include:

Votes with no reasoning
Votes with 'teehee' reasoning
Roleplaying
Something that doesn't hand out any information, but can be interpreted as role fishing (Genre of music, gender of characters, etc.)

Town tend to react more or less like Glass/LLD - either agree or disagree, but overall evaluate the intent. Scum react much much much more like Surye - "Oh, look, a nice safe scumtell I can park my vote on and do NOTHING ELSE AT ALL."

I suppose that makes sense.

ThAd, what gave you town vibes about his last post?

It was his attack on you earlier. It didn't give me "town-vibes" per se, it gave me "doesn't-make-sense-if-scum-vibes" as discussed above.

Did Katsuki just scum slip>?

LLD, I saw it too.

...I didn't see it?

TheAdmiral, who is scum?

Let's see here. *waggles glasses, consults notes*
My picks as of now would be:
Glass
RBT
CrazyPianist

Surye is town. Why don't you all get the fuck off his wagon. He does not look like the type to claim a gravedigger.

This is a good point, imo.

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Well, possibly - but he'd probably attract less suspicion if he just claimed vt. Doesn't make sense for a scum-claim imo.

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Surye is town. Why don't you all get the fuck off his wagon. He does not look like the type to claim a gravedigger.

This is a good point, imo.

A question to both of you: Since you apparently think surye is not the type of scum to claim gravedigger, what is the type to claim gravedigger?

People who gambit.

Well, possibly - but he'd probably attract less suspicion if he just claimed vt. Doesn't make sense for a scum-claim imo.

I call BS. He has a ton of suspicion on him already and claiming VT would not suddenly make his wagon collapse, it would probably get him lynched. So why, why, why would scum claim VT in that position?

That was just an example. Basically I was saying he could have fake-claimed something else and would have looked less suspicious.

This whole "I think Katsuki looks bad, but can you tell me why she's scum" routine looks bad to me.

Goodpickup.

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(Seriously though do tell what the slip was. Does it really need to take this long to explain it?)

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TheAdmiral, who is scum?

Let's see here. *waggles glasses, consults notes*
My picks as of now would be:
Glass
RBT
CrazyPianist

Lol, two null lurkers on your scum list.

So sez you!

Getting nervous much?

Scum claiming gravedigger is a high-risk, low-reward gambit. Too much can go wrong with a grave-digger gambit.

His claim should be fairly provable in the future. A scum-gravedigger is uh... brutally OP would be the best wording I have? "Here scumbag, have all these town powers I put in to combat your team." Doc? Great pickup. Watcher? Excellent pickup. Vig? If the mod allows it, wicked pickup. Roleblock/Jailkeep? Nice pickup.

I think you're missing the point. This is exactly why I

don't

think surye is scum, and is not gambitting.

Vote

Thad. Best

choice

. Hands down.

FTFY

This isn't the full case on Kats. I'll provide that later. This is the highlight reel of the scum slip.

The case better be better than that, because that wasn't very convincing at all.

more later...

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I actually didn't see any scumslip at all from Katsuki, was just interested in going with the wagon.

Why? If you wanted kats lynched stuff like this isn't helping.

Did Katsuki just scum slip>?

?

"? I did? Where... oh shit."

Certainly one way to read this. Another one is "wtf are you talking about?".
I think you are seeing what you want to see.

"Scumbuddy Grey, let me talk to you about roles and mafia theory... its something we can talk about right? I'm awkward at interacting with my scumbuddies.... Anyway blah blah mafia theory aka Gravedigger is

cummy

role aka lets mislynch."

Ewww...

ABOUT TIME MY DAYVIG FLIPPED!

HEY LLD LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT SUYRE.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, WHERE IS HE ANYWAYS??

VOTE: SUYRE

"HEY BOUT TIME FATE GOT IN THIS THREAD AND LET ME BUDDY WITH HIM. HEY SEXY YOURE TOWN"

I actually think this quote is scummy but for a different reason - seems a fairly non-committal and jokey way to join a wagon which she then pushed quite seriously. The whole "where is he anyways" as an extra reason to justify the vote is also bad.

FATE GI LOOKS BAD AND ALL BUT YOU REALLY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SURYESCUM.

"GREYBUDDY LOOKS BAD BUT CAN I HAZ A SURYEMISKLYNCH FIRST?"

This is probably you're only good point.

(btw just because you put a case in all bold it doesn't make it a stronger case)

My picks as of now would be:
Glass
RBT
CrazyPianist

Hmm why RBT and CrazyPianist? They haven't posted much.

Will answer in separate post.

That post does not contain a Katsuki vote nor a comment no MY case.

I am disappoint.

Was just getting to it ^^

What slump? I just nailed a scumteam.

Link pls.

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My picks as of now would be:
Glass
RBT
CrazyPianist

Hmm why RBT and CrazyPianist?

They haven't posted much.

First of all:

exactly

. I feel there is a lot of town-on-town action going on in this game and the scum are in a position where if they just sit quietly and let it all go down they will be able to get far.

Secondly...

crazypianist:

I have no idea whether people are being serious or just fucking with me.

This game seems like it's going to be entertaining!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nopointinactingup
GreyIce case is lulz. I'll be more explanatory when I'm not falling asleep.

- this was weird, will come back to this.

I thought that nopoint's case on GreyIce was crap which is why I voted him. Sorry if you misinterpreted. In class now, will post more later.

- Explains himself only after copping a lot of heat. Still hasn't explained why the case was crap/lulz.
Also note:

I'll be more explanatory when I'm not falling asleep.

In class now, will post more later.

I'm going to sleep on this.

- Constantly promising to post later but never delivering.
- Has only had one decent post, and that is filled with vagaries like:

Interested in LLD's future post.

and

Fate's position on Katsuki bothers me.

Summary: thought crazy was scum, and still think crazy is scum


RBT:
- To be fair is normally a bit of a lurker, but I felt more than normal in this game.

Really don't see the case on Grey.

UNVOTE; VOTE:Crazy

- Votes without reason. I hate these. Also given that I think crazy is scum this could have been a distancing vote.

Surye could be a decent lynch I suppose, but I think NoPoint is just worse.

I'm fairly sure the scumteam is actually getting wagoned at the moment and are just lurking to hope the wagons go away.

I can pretty much agree, but it's still WIFOM.

- Extremely noncommittal. Can decide to jump on one of the wagons, or stay off if it would look too suspicious to jump on.

summary: not the greatest case, and in all honesty I have gone off rbt since my initial scumteam picks.

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Seriously? What about fate's case do you buy?

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ThAd, thoughts on LLD?

I believe lld's case on katsuki is either completely fabricated or based on a misunderstanding. She's definitely a scumspect of mine.

I'm not saying I AM GOD AND ALWYAS RIGHT SHEEP ME.

I'm saying how often are you sure about your reads d1? 50%? That's not bad, but I'm MORE sure about my scumreads.

So if you read me as town, and are unsure of YOUR reads, SHEEP mine because I'm 100% sure Katsuki is scum.

This seems like hyperbole.

But to humor you - what is the no.1 reason why you think kats is scum?

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Look at crazypianist's 376 and tell me he isn't scum.

I'm not convinced at all by the case on kats. Furthermore the fact that glass has expressed interest and crazy has jumped on the wagon means I'm going nowhere near it.

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I see what you did there...

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I see what you did there...

Not like it was the hammer. Nor did I remember the unvote. ~_~

UNVOTE; VOTE:Katsuki

I thought you were going for a fakehammer.

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Yeah, actually stalling is a pretty good scumtell.

unvote, vote: katsuki

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So I missed yesterday, but it seemed to go pretty well.

btw I just want to state that I was totally on to glass from the get go.

@ fate: you were right about being on fire right now.

Agar or crazypianist?

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vote: agar

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@ fate: you can't claim responsibility for a cop claim. Your work regarding katsuki was, however, outstanding.

I think this is the first game I've played with you after having heard quite a bit about you. You've definitely lived up to your reputation, and it's been fun!

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Admiral, go reread the quotes.

I CALLED GLASS OUT as Katsukis scumbuddy, WITHOUT needing to use a cop inspect.

Reread my D1 and tell me I don't deserve credit for catching Glass, if not lynching her

Ok, I'm not saying you

didn't

call him out, but I called him out first!

Also going by what you said day one you also called out surye, greyice and hinted at a few others.

Once again, not saying that you DIDN'T call out glass, but...

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Agar will eat well today.

I think vig should claim. If no one comes forward we have to assume sk.

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In fact mass claim? I don't see how it can hurt too much at this stage.

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Let's do it.

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Claim or die.

Probably claim AND die, but claim anyway.

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Mass claim time?

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Cult of personality is a great track. I want to hear from fate first, but this sounds pretty damning.

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Vote: nopoint

@ surye: If he's not scum kill fate obv

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@ surye: Who'd you use it on?

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So why do we think there's an sk?

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Lylo.

I'm feeling calm. You guys?

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Just thought I'd pop in and prove that I'm not scum.

You guys might as well full claim now. I'll probably vote rbt but I see no reason for all the cards to not be on the table.

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It's a great track.

You might be the sk, but in any case you deserve this win a lot more than rbt does if you are.

vote: rbt

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Though, I call shenanigans on this setup.

When the town only mislynches once, and STILL ends up in lylo...

That's messed up.

Yeah, I feel a bit hard done by there.

There was no way I was going to vote fate though. The risk of rbt being the actual sk and winning by doing absolutely nothing in this game was too high.
I don't regret my decision.

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I really wasn't aware bullet-proof was an obvscum claim.

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Which part in particular?

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Forgot to say: thanks for modding MoI! Game ran very smoothly.

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Probably a little caps heavy, but undoubtedly entertaining.

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In my defense I didn't know that bulletproof is apparently an automatic scumclaim.

I think power-wise town probably deserved another role so I didn't think it was out of the question at all.