Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am disappoint with this Fate wagon. I mean, we have scum caught already.

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

Vote: Surye

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I am a rock-rap blend so it is possible. Is anyone NOT rock?

Also, can we not flavor speculate on Day 1? Thanks~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I am a rock-rap blend so it is possible. Is anyone NOT rock?

Also, can we not flavor speculate on Day 1? Thanks~

I'm honestly just curious if anyone isn't rock.

GI, you seriously want to start this game on my scum list?

This isn't a pro town question. At the VERY best it's null. In any case, it shouldn't be answered.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am disappoint with this Fate wagon. I mean, we have scum caught already.

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

Vote: Surye

Huh?

You're disappointed with a wagon that supposedly netted your scum?...

Does not compute

Oh please. You know what I meant.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Further, I notice that you comment on one part of my post, but then totally ignore the meat of it. (I.E: The Surye quote and my Vote)

What do you think of Surye!scum, Katsuki?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Further, I notice that you comment on one part of my post, but then totally ignore the meat of it. (I.E: The Surye quote and my Vote)

What do you think of Surye!scum, Katsuki?

Surye scum would depend on Fate flip imo.

@Grey: I suggest you divert your efforts elsewhere.

LLD and I are alignment confirmed masons.

<3~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am curious what reason LLD would NOT want to know this, it is not like scum can figure out PRs by genre and if we have some kind of namecop it is in our best interest to confirm that all town are rock.
VOTE: LLD

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15670

This is what happens when you let Flavor rule a town.

I know because I've done it, and I've won games as scum using it.

Flavor speculation leads nowhere but downhill.

You know that someone would try and speculate that any non-rock songs are of a different factions.

Scum would JUMP on that.

At the very best, there is

NO TOWN BENEFIT TO SPECULATING FLAVOR.

At the VERY WORST,

THERE IS A LARGE SCUM BENEFIT TO PROVOKING THE DISCUSSION INTO A FLAVOR DEBATE.

So tell me this, if you can:

WHAT BENEFIT CAN COME FROM SPECULATING FLAVOR?

I made it big so you can't miss it.

Essentially, are you just fucking about and wasting our time as town?

Or are you using flavor as a tool as scum?

Your call Glass. ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Kat: Don't worry, I got this handled. Glass' argument can be shattered as easily as her name.

I'm afraid I had higher hopes for this one. I thought she'd be better than resorting to "HERPDERP FLAVOR".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pedit2: Glass is a guy.

I BLAME THE NUMEROUS APPLETINIS FOR THIS.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

A style of music Kat.

Where is my J-Pop?

♪OH DESIRE♫

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well I got "My Soul, Your Beats" as my rolename.

NO.

NONONONONONONONO.

NOT. FAIR.

I WANT THAT SONG~

GOD DAMMIT MOI </3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am curious what reason LLD would NOT want to know this, it is not like scum can figure out PRs by genre

and if we have some kind of namecop it is in our best interest to confirm that all town are rock.

VOTE: LLD

I presented a perfectly reasonable reason in my previous post.

And I wasn't saying: "HEY ANYONE WHO ISN'T ROCK IS SCUM"

Liar.

As for your "perfectly reasonable reason", that's basically you doing speculation. You're speculating about not only FLAVOR, but also throwing out a "WHAT IF THERE IS A NAME COP" thing too.

Your "perfectly reasonable reason" is the only true fallacy I see Glass.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Query: If you didn't mean that anyone who isn't Rock is scum... why would a name cop help us?

Because as I see it... us claiming whether we are rock or not only aids a Name Cop... if you believe that a certain faction would all fall under a "non-rock" condition.

So essentially you're backtracking and lying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YES, BECAUSE IF EVERYONE CLAIMS ROCK THEN IT IS PRETTY DAMN OBVIOUS THAT ALL TOWNIES ARE ROCK, IS IT NOT? THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY CONFIRM!!!

If you didn't mean that anyone who isn't Rock is scum... why would a name cop help us?

In that case a name cop wouldn't help us out, WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO SEE.

This info helps scum more than town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Considering that Scum benefits from finding out that all town are rock songs, where as town gains nothing from that.

You know, unless your speculated name cop exists.

Which I think personally is just an excuse for you to defend your flavor based subtle rolefishing, when you got called on it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

rolefishing

lol?

Real cool quote of one word in my post, taking it entirely out of context.

What the post that this came from was saying, is that you and GI are both supporting something that gives info about our roles to scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pedit2: Glass is a guy.

I BLAME THE NUMEROUS APPLETINIS FOR THIS.

Happy birthday!

Appletinis are the devil. Last time I lost about 3 hours

Also, I'm Dream On... by the Glee Cast.

I think MoI needs to start posting in Guys part 2

I don't think so. Anything Neil Patrick Harris is involved with is ... oh, right. Nevermind.

ITT MoI confirms GI's role name? >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki I haven't looked at anything yet.

Did I make a good vote though >_>b?

Glass is a better vote Fate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey LLD, still waiting on you answering my questions.

Except I answered them all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know, except:

If you know that scum would jump on that, would it not be better to let this go through and then be able to easily finger the scum?

When I posted 59 I thought that it may help mafia come up with a reasonable fakeclaim, but that does not really make sense since if the town have no flavor knowledge as the scum could claim anything and if scum don't need to claim day 1 they can clearly see that the person lynched + NK were rock genre and make up a claim from there. So how does this information help scum LLD?

Both answered. Please insert another coin and try again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Katsuki I haven't looked at anything yet.

Did I make a good vote though >_>b?

Glass is a better vote Fate.

LLD what happened to surye?

Especially now that Fate has flipped?

FUCK.

RIGHT.

THAT LURKY BASTARD.

GOT DISTRACTED BY GLASS!SCUM

FATE, LOOK AT SURYE'S FIRST POST.

HE PRACTICALLY CLAIMS SCUM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

prodoge

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about we get this explained?

What the hell is a gravedigger?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

This is scum wanting to comment on a wagon, but afraid to put their vote down for fear of drawing attention.

It's also a good way to draw others onto Fate's wagon, without having to incriminate yourself by being on it.

THAT'S why it's scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did Katsuki just scum slip>?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, I saw it too.

A sad day for both of us.

So I'm not the only one who thinks this recent convo with GI was forced?

And I'm not the only one who thinks a GI/Katsuki scum team is likely?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote; Vote: Katsuki

I don't like having to kill my mason buddy D1. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And you assume that MoI/the scum team wouldn't provide that claim for him?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Glass: What games have you been looking at?

Fate, can we lynch Glass once Katsuki is dead?

This whole "I think Katsuki looks bad, but can you tell me why she's scum" routine looks bad to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ah.

OoT was my first game on the site, and I used flavor speculation in that game.

Learned quickly not to.

I died N1 in Realm of the Gods, so that's not useful. But there's no flavor in that game really.

Camden has no flavor either, and I was encouraging SK speculation in that game because setup speculation like that aided the scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ITT Fate is lazy and is differing to me to write his case for him.

Fine, I'll get it done.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This whole "I think Katsuki looks bad, but can you tell me why she's scum" routine looks bad to me.

I didn't ask for why she was scum, I asked for what the alleged scumslip is. You are going like: "Ya... there's a scumslip somewhere in there. What, you want me to tell you what it is? SCUM!"

Asking what scumslip someone committed is tantamount to asking why they are scum.

Just so you know.

Please insert another coin and try again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm going to explain it.

Hence me telling Fate I'll make the case for him.

Just give me the opportunity to say it all condensed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Condensed in one post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Don't be an idiot RBT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey, I'm just trying to make it abundantly clear if it is true or false.

You can't figure out that someone claiming Masons on D1 unprompted isn;t likely to happen?

Even less likely to be true with my voting of Kats?

Come on now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Voting someone and calling them your mason buddy in the same post shouldn't demand clarification?

And yes, I have claimed mason unprompted D1. >_>

I suppose the joke is lost on you.

I suggest you read OoT Mafia.

Never mind. Forget I said that. I really don't suggest you read 200 pages of hell. Just take my word for it that it is an inside joke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gravedigger?!

Seriously, a gravedigger, IN A MINI?!

.....................

Unvote

Not ready for a hammer.

Katsuki, why is Gravedigger a bad role for a mini?

I've never seen a Gravedigger in a mini before...

SCRATCH THIS POST GI, HIS CLAIMED GRAVEDIGGER ISN'T THE SAME GRAVEDIGGER I'M THINKING OF.

This is where the scum slip comes.

Kats has just contradicted herself in bam to back posts? First saying she'd never seen a Gravedigger, then stating that she's seen it twice before.

Had those two posts been all she said, it would have been fine.

But literally seconds after making the second post, Kats follows with this Gem, trying to cover her apparent mistake.

She then continues to try an cover it up by flooding the thread with GI about some minor point.

Then Fate jumps on her, and she offers no defense.

Also, her attacking of Surye now looks bad, because she attacked me for voting him early on, and then jumped on the wagon when Fate came in the game, trying to play to my ego saying:

"Looks like you were right about Surye LLD"

This isn't the full case on Kats. I'll provide that later. This is the highlight reel of the scum slip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote

Not ready for a hammer.

Katsuki, why is Gravedigger a bad role for a mini?

I've never seen a Gravedigger

in a mini

before...

SCRATCH THIS POST GI, HIS CLAIMED GRAVEDIGGER ISN'T THE SAME GRAVEDIGGER I'M THINKING OF.

This is where the scum slip comes.

Kats has just contradicted herself in bam to back posts? First saying she'd never seen a Gravedigger, then stating that she's seen it twice before.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT
OMG THIS IS TOO GOOD

TELL ME WHERE THIS SO CALLED CONTRADICTION IS, THEN WE TALK.
BUT THIS FABRICATION, IS SYNONOMOUS WITH LLD SCUM

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

UNVOTE, VOTE: LLD

Scum claim here folks. Wagon away with justice on your minds and courage in your hearts.

Notice how Katsuki ignores the line where I actually explain the slip.

Notice how she has gone from giving up to "HAHA CAUGHT YOU SCUM" mode, in 3.5.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait, hold on.

Do I have this right?

Are Kats and GI trying to have me lynched based upon meta alone?

This is fuckin' priceless.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kats is being attacked by LLD for a slip that

doesn't exist

. This is either a very botched bus, or a scum-driven attack on a townie. I really don't think LLD would botch a bus that bad, so I'm going with opportunistic scum that saw what looked like an opportunity to steam a wagon ahead on a town player with little to no resistance. Your case isn't as bad, but I'm not buying into it. ThAd is playing a much more dodgy, deflective game, content to sit back and just watch the pot simmer here on Kats without doing anything of note, avoiding attention like it's his job.

Nice false dichotomy, Agar.

How about this explanation?

My original asking of "Was that a scum slip?" was actually just intended as some mild pressure on Kats who was sheeping my Surye pressure like crazy.

The reactions that followed by Katsuki, GreyIce and Glass made me want to drag it out.

By this point, there's probably nothing else left to be gained.

But I'm about 99% sure that if we lynch Kats, GreyIce, Agar and Glass, we'll hit at least 2 scum.

Reaction Testing, ho!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LadyLambdadelta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So GI, do you want to give reasons?

Or should I just assume that you're taking the "Anyone who suspects me is scum" approach?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So GI, do you want to give reasons?

Or should I just assume that you're taking the "Anyone who suspects me is scum" approach?

Nope it's the 'teehee it was reaction test.'. No you just were wrong. Well cool, you were wrong. Happens to us all.

Said the Popemobile.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're telling ME that?

This is coming from someone who legit has based their entire case on with Meta.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BRAINNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BRAINNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

FTFY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BRAIINNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

FTFY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bulletproof is a scum claim you idiot.

I don't think you've earned the right to say this yet. You did nothing all game. >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fate how do you win as SK when both times you CLAIMED TO BE SCUM? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE

All the competent town die quickly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Though, I call shenanigans on this setup.

When the town only mislynches once, and STILL ends up in lylo...

That's messed up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fate played a fucking EXCELLENT game.

ThAd did what he could considering how bad RBT sucked.

I was suspicious of Fate when he helped me lynch Kats-scum.

It was weird of him to support me like that.

ANYWAY, Great Job Fate. Wish I had been alive longer to try and catch you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

P.S: I tried to Weak Doctor Fate N1.

P-Edit: Fate, I explained why I said the slip thing for reaction reasons.

I would have gone back (just as you did) to the people who attacked the slip HARD to find the scum.

You did well, but tone down the arrogance, KAY~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RBT plays like this regardless of his alignment you fucks. It's not a indicator of whether he's town or scum.
As for you Fate, you lucked out because ThAdmiral wasn't even paying attention to the game, believing in a town BP when there's a town COP, town DOC, town JOAT, town GRAVEDIGGER AND an SK, DESPITE the fact that he was told you were the SK by a Dead player. HAD he played competently and lynched you, you wouldn't be white-knighting him would you?

Says the man who committed the WORST logical error in mafia I have seen in ages.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was watching this game and Fate was constantly bringing me to tears with his posts.

Shut the fuck up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD's missing the deadline N1 changed the face of the game as AGar would have seen her visit Fate and likely been able to further confirm he was Not Town.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM.

NONONONONONONONO.

WE DON'T REFERENCE METROPOLIS:REVISITED. EVER.EVEREVEREVER.

Also, I agree that this setup was fucked beyond believe for town. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please refer to the above picture as a representation of this entire debate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are mommy and daddy fighting?

Because Popemobile McTurboCunt over here won't stop beating a dead horse, and just let sleeping dogs lay.

And because Godzilla won't ignore him, and feels the need to try and disprove his lolstatistics.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I giggled.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There needs to be significantly less comparing of "credentials" in this thread.

I mean, boys will be boys, but still. You can do that somewhere private, right~?