Open 306: Lovers Mafia: Empking Checkmate (OVER)

[Crazy]

/confirm

[Crazy]

OH SNAP IT'S MY SCUMDAY???!!!

Totally didn't even realize that. 3 years of wasting time playing mafia! Yay!

[Crazy]

Fenchurch, Mist hadn't confirmed in the thread either when you first accused C-Worl. Why didn't you mention her, too?

[Crazy]

If what Fenchurch said was true and C-Worl claimed in the scum-quicktopic, I'd expect the mod to just state that C-Worl confirmed by PM, instead of saying it was a mistake.

The mod making a mistake regarding this actually makes C-Worl more likely to be town. If the town PMs were all sent BCC, then it would look like C-Worl had read his PM, when in fact, he hadn't yet. I made that exact mistake modding a Newbie Game; thankfully, nobody caught it.

[Crazy]

I don't understand how what I said was a reason to vote C-Worl?

[Crazy]

He probably cpnfirmed in the scum topic and mod said he didnt need to confirm. It is hoghly likely

That's not even what I said, though. I said if he

had

confirmed in the scum QT then the mod would probably have just said that he confirmed by PM.

I really don't follow your thought process here. Can you elaborate some more?

[Crazy]

Empking, how serious is your vote on Mist? What about your earlier vote on C-Worl?

[Crazy]

Yeah, I definitely would agree with that, Empking. For you, does Mist not paying attention imply scum, null, or town?

Mist tried to misrep what Crazy said to make it look like I was scum. And ignored this post BY THE MOD, to do it.

C-Worl, why do you think it was a misrep instead of just a mistake on Mist's part?

[Crazy]

Sorry for my inactivity; I really haven't been feeling well. I should be back soon.

[Crazy]

Okay, I'm back. As for Fenchurch's question, my read on Mist was pretty null, maybe slightly leaning town. I really didn't have a scum-read on anybody; the reason I didn't vote immediately was because I was hoping to feel out who the scum were before I accused anybody. Then I was sick for a couple days, as I pointed out earlier, but I'm better now, so no worries.

While I was reading, there are a couple scum-teams that are very unlikely

Fenchurch strongly argued for C-Worl scum due to him "confirming in the scum quicktopic." I can't really imagine her doing that to her scumbuddy, in a setup that doesn't allow bussing.

Empking also tried to abandon the Mist wagon in favor of a chk wagon. So Empking/chk is pretty unlikely. Empking/C-Worl is also quite unlikely due to Empking putting the second vote on C-Worl following Fenchurch's logic (at least that's what I'm assuming.)

So that leaves the most likely 3 as:

Fenchurch/Empking
Fenchurch/chk
chk/C-Worl

So my vote today will probably end up going towards either Fenchurch or chk, unless if I change my mind about any of the other 3 possible scum-teams.

[Crazy]

Two Town claims in four pages; we're an awesome bunch, aren't we? Both use AtE, which I dislike, but I can't pinpoint whether I think they're genuine or not -- I'm more inclined to believe C-Worl over Mist.

Why did you see C-Worl's AtE as genuine but not Mist's?

Mist's vote seems the most misaligned. First off, she placed C-Worl at L-1 on P2 - do not like. Second, she could've chosen to vote/pressure Crazy (her guess in pairing with C-Worl) but went with the wagon instead.

Why didn't you mention this before you did? In particular, why didn't you mention this in Post #26, which you posted right after Mist's L-1 vote on the C-Worl wagon?

Seems to me like you either came up with reasoning to fit the Mist wagon

after

the fact, and/or in Post #26, you were nervous about voting Mist right after C-Worl (your most likely partner) just did.

[Crazy]

C-Worl, why do you think it was a misrep instead of just a mistake on Mist's part?

Not the first time he did it. He did it with Empking's post too. He seems quick to try and misrep people's posts. I am definitely very happy about my vote now.

I dont do that purposly i go off what i think they are saying

Exactly, you skim the thread and when you glance over something that you think may incriminate someone you go off on it without properly reading it. That's scum motivation.

This exchange is pretty much backtracking on C-Worl's part. He went from saying "Mist is intentionally trying to misrepresent people's posts" into "Mist is

accidentally

misrepresenting people because he's reading the posts too quickly.

I suppose either one of those could be used as a genuine argument against Mist, but seeing how C-Worl is somehow using BOTH contradictory arguments against Mist implies a lack of sincerity on C-Worl's part.

[Crazy]

So yeah, a chk/C-worl team is what I'm thinking at the moment. And of those two, I'd rather a chk lynch, since it's hard to pair C-Worl up with either Fenchurch or Empking, but chk could still be paired with Fenchurch.

[Crazy]

Well, my "lurking" is hardly related to my alignment. I was sick for two days. On May 9, I didn't post anywhere on site. On May 10, all I posted was an apology post in this game and in my other game.

Does lurking benefit scum? Sure, sometimes. But as you can see from my site posting history, my "lurking" obviously wasn't strategic, so this is a null point. Do you disagree?

[Crazy]

C-Worl, why didn't you respond to my recent post? As I pointed out, you provided two contradictory arguments against Mist:

A. Mist was

deliberately

trying to misinterpret other people's posts to incriminate them.
B. Mist was

accidentally

misinterpreting posts because he wasn't reading them carefully.

So which was the point you were trying to make, and how was your

other

post that I quoted not a contradiction of that point?

Also, as you pointed out in Post #116, how is me "losing interest in the game" indicative of my alignment?

(And btw, I didn't lose interest in the game; I just got sick.)

[Crazy]

Empking, why did you vote C-Worl on Page 1? Also, how was Mist not paying attention indicative of him being scum?

[Crazy]

Empking, this is what my question was in reference to:

Yeah, I definitely would agree with that, Empking. For you, does Mist not paying attention imply scum, null, or town?

Scum.

Also, who is my partner, if I am scum?

[Crazy]

I don't disagree; however, can't the same thing be said of C-Worl?

C-Worl is a general town read though.

Interesting. Why?

@Fenchurch/chk - What are the odds of one of you lynching the other today?

[Crazy]

I think it's Fenchurch and chk. The next most likely option is Empking/C-Worl.

Fenchurch/Empking is now very unlikely due to Post #139. So is Chk/C-Worl, due to post #140.

C-Worl gives me big "sincere town" vibes with his last post. Also, Empking and C-Worl are more direct in saying they think the other one is town, but Fenchurch/chk seem to be more wishy-washy in regards to that, even though it's clear neither of them will support a lynch of the other.

[Crazy]

That's my point. You're wishy-washy, like "Oh, Fenchurch is scummy, but hey, how about a C-Worl lynch?"

As for your statement that you

might

support a Fen lynch in the future; I don't believe you and I don't care. The only thing that matters is that you currently

are not

.

Can everyone please supply their top 2 scum-team picks? For instance, mine are Fenchurch/chk as #1 and Empking/C-Worl as #2

[Crazy]

Empking, can you explain why you have a town-read on C-Worl?

[Crazy]

C-Worl, why did you just vote Fenchurch instead of chk?

You can keep your vote on Fenchurch; I just want to know the reason. Normally if someone votes you in LYLO you vote them back.

[Crazy]

Well, all I'm saying is that from your perspective, if chk was town, then scum would have won anyway, since they could quickhammer, unless if chk unvoted.

Eh, whatever. I'll think about this some more, but I'll probably end up voting Fenchurch.

[Crazy]

I am not scum with C-Worl, since, as you can now see, since I'm not hammering Fenchurch right now. That means I'm either scum with Fenchurch or town.

I'm not really sure what your objection was with my post? Would you mind unvoting for now and clarifying what you mean?

Just to say, your last post gives me REALLY strong town-vibes that makes me sincerely doubt my gut that you and Fenchurch are scum together. Let's not rush this decision; we can talk it out. Can you unvote so you don't give Empking/C-Worl a chance to quickhammer?

[Crazy]

7 hours really isn't a long time, and Empking had no posts on site between the time he voted for you and the time he voted for Mist.

Empking, can you clarify the reason you voted Mist on Page 2?

[Crazy]

The second sentence sounded more like you supporting an OMGUS vote more than anything and that didn't sit well with me. Still doesn't, but I understand where you're coming from with Emp/C-Worl.

Oh, as for that, my point was just that if a townie votes another townie in LYLO, then scum can quickhammer. So if C-Worl was town, he might as well have just voted you, anyway, since from his perspective, if you were town, the game was already lost anyway.

For C-Worl, voting for you would have accomplished the same thing as voting for Fenchurch, with the added minor possibility of a you/Empking pairing. Voting for Fenchurch showed that he wasn't interested in any remote possibility that it was you/Empking. More than likely this was just an oversight on C-Worl's part, though, so I'm not taking it as a serious scum-tell.

I have to re-examine some things. Honestly, your sudden vote shift from C-Worl to me is hard to see coming from scum, since it didn't seem like Empking/C-Worl were going to budge from their Fenchurch lynch. So that's good for you.

Empking/C-Worl, why would chk-scum vote for me?

[Crazy]

C-Worl, why are you ruling out a me/Fenchurch pairing?

[Crazy]

Crazy: I can't remember. I believe I disliked her lack of scumhunting and her fluff posting.

Well, that's the thing when you vote with no reason... if you forget what the reason was, then it really does no good.

I assume your voting-with-no-reason thing is what you do as town or scum. But may I ask why you

normally

play that way as town, and has that style of gameplay helped you in this game?

[Crazy]

So, Empking, you

didn't

think Mist was scum, or am I misinterpreting you?

Can you also please explain why you were so quick to dismiss the possibility of C-Worl being scum based on what Fenchurch said on Page 1?

As well, earlier today you said I was scum because if I wasn't, then you would have already figured out who

was

. What made you change from that into pushing a Fenchurch/chk pair?

[Crazy]

Now, I know that logic won't work for you since the logic is dependent on the fact that I know my alignment. However, if you're town, and Chk were town don't you think the mafia would have quick hammered you by now? There should me no doubt to you, if you're town, that Chk is mafia at this point.

You know chk unvoted, me right?

@chk - What's holding you back from voting at the moment?

[Crazy]

You know chk unvoted, me right?

His vote was on you long enough for a quick hammer to occur if he was town and you were town.

Same as with his vote on me. The fact that it didn't happen either shows that mafia wasn't paying attention or that one of you is scum. Only, you know 100% if you're scum or not, even though I have reached the conclusion that you're not.

Chk had his vote on me for about 1 and a half hours. You didn't post anywhere on site during that time period (I just checked your post history).

Are you making this stuff up, or what?

[Crazy]

Yeah, it's either Fenchurch/chk or C-Worl/Empking.

Can you also please explain why you were so quick to dismiss the possibility of C-Worl being scum based on what Fenchurch said on Page 1?

I have faityh in moderators.

Empking, can you elaborate on this? At the very least, Ghostlin made a mistake (albeit a minor, insignificant one) about starting the day without receiving a confirm from C-Worl. Obviously mods aren't always perfect. So why was what Fenchurch proposed impossible for you to believe?

[Crazy]

I should also note that I've been flip-flopping like crazy between which pair it is. Chk's recent lurking really isn't sitting well with me, either.

[Crazy]

/confirm me not scum

[Crazy]

VOTE: Empking

I took a walk and thought it over. There seems to be more points leaning this way than towards Fen/chk. Hope I got it right. Tough decision.

[Crazy]

Aww, crap.

[Crazy]

So my vote today will probably end up going towards either Fenchurch or chk...

I should really listen to myself more... oh well.

Eh, it was a tough decision - and I went back and forth quite a bit. The main reasons I ended up deciding with my Empking vote were:

-Chk's vote switch towards me seemed unlikely to come from scum. He sounded like town that suddenly became convinced that I was obvscum. Kudos to chk for that, though I doubt my reaction was quite what he expected.
-C-Worl's arguments of "Empking wouldn't keep me at L-1 for 7 hours" and "Scum would have been able to quickhammer," were quite farfetched, which made me doubt his motives.
-When looking back, Empking's defense of C-Worl on Page 1 stuck out. Apparently it was just a coincidence.
-Empking and C-Worl's buddying up to me towards the end made me feel uncomfortable. Mainly Empking's "If you're smart, you'll vote Fenchurch" and C-Worl's Post #227.

The main points going the other way were:

-Empking's and C-Worl's buddying seemed to be more obvious than what scum would do. Fenchurch and chk had a more neutral attitude towards each other, which is what I'd expect more from scum.
-The mod's mistake about confirming made it more likely that C-Worl was town. (I've made this same mistake, Ghostlin, so don't worry. At least it didn't end up effecting the game)

So, anyway, good game. And congrats, scum. And I don't mean to blame anyone else for the town's loss; I'll definitely take my share of the blame. I just felt that I should explain my reasoning for the vote.