Open 295 -- Island Paradise Mafia -- Game Over

[yabbaguy]

That's a Toast voter. Phew.

[Nobody Special]

Magua replaces ZeroFang effective immediately.

[Magua]

Yeah. You're not going to like it, yabbaguy.

UNVOTE: ToastyToast

Alright guys 'n' gals. We got three days to deadline, and the mafia team is ChannelDelibird + yabbaguy.

So: VOTE: ChannelDelibird

<== L-1

So ZeroFang was right on a lot of things. But he was drop dead wrong on ToastyToast. So wrong it hurts my head.

Town - These people are town. I am not voting them, because they are town. I'm not really interested in listening to your arguments about this; maybe D3. I am not placing a vote on any of these people today.
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Farside22
ToastyToast
Havingfitz
Jora - Really liked Jora D1. Really did. Kind of losing it near the end, though; impatient? D2 has been nowhere near as good. Obviously demotivated, there's none of that spark from D1. Still, with both yabbaguy and CDB, game would be over long before I would get around to voting Jora.

Null
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Sundy
DeathRowKitty - Play has been very lackluster compared to what I've seen in other DRK-town games. But not to the point of badness, and certainly not what I've seen from yabbaguy and CDB's slot.

Scum
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ChannelDelibird
yabbaguy

[farside22]

Well at this point, inactivity can't be considered a scumtell at all.

I still consider:

cjdrum/CDB to be a terrible wagon
DRK to be a complacency wagon.
Toast to be the good wagon.

Preferences, everyone? We need to set priorities in order to get a wagon assembled by deadline. Although my mind is spinning in all the mass absences we've had in the game.

Yabba: Why do you find DRK to be a complacency wagon and cjdrum to be terrible?
Who would you see as TT's scum buddy and why?

[Sundy]

Prod received, apologies. It's the middle of finals for me... but it's been a chill Saturday so I'll take a look at current events.

[farside22]

Magua: No offense and I'm sure you might understand when I ask this in light of the game that just ended recently but I don't trust you.
I also would like to know why you believe a cdj/Yabba connection.

[Magua]

Magua: No offense and I'm sure you might understand when I ask this in light of the game that just ended recently but I don't trust you.
I also would like to know why you believe a cdj/Yabba connection.

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>_>

I hope you won't hold that game against me. =P

But it goes like this. Reading through and making my notes, I usually annotate a plus when I like someone's post and a minus when I don't. Two of cjdrum's posts stick out for me so much that they are annotated with five minuses each:

Post #226
Post #425

For those two posts, I was going to vote cjdrum no matter what by the time I got to the end of the reread. So then the question becomes, "Who's the partner?"

Well, I've already managed to knock a number of you out of the running because you're just so obviously town. So that left me with yabbaguy, Sundy, and DRK. Of those three, Sundy is the lowest probability of being cjdrum's partner -- he's engaged into fighting with cjdrum where yabba never has and DRK only started recently, he's actively called cjdrum out on doing stuff. So I'm not seeing cjdrum/Sundy.

DRK doesn't mention cjdrum much for most of the game, and whens he does it's very kid gloves. But then she busts out the case in #580. That's a lot of work to go into bussing a partner, which is why I sort of disbelieve CDB/DRK. I could see it more if there wasn't already a mafia death, but here with a likely two mislynches available, bussing would make no sense.

Which leaves CDB/yabbaguy. yabbaguy also treats cjdrum with a total hands-off; the closest yabba ever comes to questioning cjdrum is "Why do you care if other people want you to vote", which is answered in an objective fashion and totally lacks the "my god, man, do you realize how scummy you sound?" This then devolves into yabbaguy full on defending cjdrum from havingfitz, DRK, Toasty.

So, yeah.

[farside22]

What about yabba do you find scummy?
Also you remember the vanilla game and what I said about claiming. What's your thoughts on how CDB (now cdj) said about TT's claim?

[havingfitz]

I'm just ready for a flip. I've let this game get a bit behind me and I'm having a hard time keeping my interest level up for it. At one time or another I have suspected, or still do, each of the players with the leading wagons. I won't hammer unless it came down to that vs a no lynch...but I can wait a few days for people to post a bit more (as unlikely as that may be).

[Magua]

What about yabba do you find scummy?
Also you remember the vanilla game and what I said about claiming. What's your thoughts on how CDB (now cdj) said about TT's claim?

AntB's claiming vanilla in Near-Vanilla was a towntell. I said as much in game, and even though I was scum, it's true. Scum know there's at least one doctor or roleblocker, and if there's a roleblocker and scum get lynched, it's game over for them.

I think Toasty is town. I thought Toasty was town before his VT claim, and his claim didn't change my townread on him.

CDB wants to have his cake and eat it too on TT's lynch -- he wants to be able to say, "Well, I kind of thought he was town" after he flips, but he still wants him lynched. I mean, he goes into a whole paragraph about how claiming VT like that is a towntell, only to throw it out in the next paragraph. That's not town-thought. That's fencesitting.

[ChannelDelibird]

Eh, I was just weighing up pros and cons, but when you put it that way I'd probably vote me for doing that too.

Not that that makes me change my opinion on the subject, I just see why you'd think it was a scummy thing for me to say.

[ChannelDelibird]

Also, making scumbuddy connections before a flip is not clever.

[Magua]

Also, making scumbuddy connections before a flip is not clever.

So....what do you think of yabbaguy then? Town? Scum?

[Magua]

Unofficial vote count

ChannelDelibird - 4 - ToastyToast, DeathRowKitty, farside22, Magua
ToastyToast - 2 - yabbaguy, }|{opa
DeathRowKitty - 2 - havingfitz, Sundy

Not Voting: ChannelDelibird

I'm just ready for a flip.

snip

I won't hammer unless it came down to that vs a no lynch...but I can wait a few days for people to post a bit more (as unlikely as that may be).

So you will hammer CDB to avoid a deadline no lynch?

@CDB:

Who is the scum?

[ToastyToast]

Also, making scumbuddy connections before a flip is not clever.

Unless said scumbuddy is operating on this and says "well, if I'm not clever, then they'll think I'm town!" Its an irrelevant idea because it can easily be reversed.

Eh, I was just weighing up pros and cons, but when you put it that way I'd probably vote me for doing that too.
Not that that makes me change my opinion on the subject, I just see why you'd think it was a scummy thing for me to say.

So you agree with him?

[Jora]

God! I was so damn blind with this game. I missed TT's claim. *facepalm*
farside22, Magua - you can't be the scumtem, because ZF was too much naturally buddying to farside. So, I gonna believe one of you.
ChannelDelibird - claim, please.

[havingfitz]

I'm just ready for a flip.

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I won't hammer unless it came down to that vs a no lynch...but I can wait a few days for people to post a bit more (as unlikely as that may be).

So you will hammer CDB to avoid a deadline no lynch?

I would hammer DRK, CDB, or TT to avoid a no lynch.

Normally if I have a strong feeling that someone is town I won't vote them even if it is to avoid a no lynch but that is not the case with any of the three above. Actually, I don't have good feels towards anyone in this game. I think it's a case of not seeing the trees for the forest. The only person I would not vote ATT is you {Magua} because I think you have made some good posts and because I have never been in a game where a scum slot exchanged hands 3 or more times.

Mod...can we get an offical VC and a specific time on the deadline?

[farside22]

Fitz: Can you please do me a favor. Give me a scum list with reasoning. Also explain to me how is it that the one person you have a town read on is a slot that has been replaced 4 times now = town. I know a game I had 3 people replace a slot and that slot was scum. Replacements = quantity is null at best.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.11

L-1 ChannelDelibird - 4 - ToastyToast, DeathRowKitty, farside22, Magua
ToastyToast - 2 - yabbaguy, }|{opa
DeathRowKitty - 2 - havingfitz, Sundy

Not Voting: ChannelDelibird

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: May 9.

V/LA: havingfitz, until further notice

The Careful Reader will note that in each votecount (and, additionally, in the first post) the Deadline date seems to be a hyperlink. I bet if you clicked on that link you

might

find more information about that actual deadline.

[farside22]

Fuck a duck how do I keep not looking at that deadline.

Mod:

Can we get an extension do to the replacement just taking over and do to the constant prods??

[Nobody Special]

If a majority of players (that would be five) would like an extension, I'll extend. Please bold an extension request and tell me how much time you'd like. The length of the extension will be my decision, but I'll take under advisement any suggestions you may have.

[yabbaguy]

Oh nonono. Don't do CDB. Pleasepleaseplease realize that your cases are rubbish and swap to one of the other two.

AntB's claiming vanilla in Near-Vanilla was a towntell. I said as much in game, and even though I was scum, it's true. Scum know there's at least one doctor or roleblocker, and if there's a roleblocker and scum get lynched, it's game over for them.

You're making the mistake I've made for months on end, you're presuming that everyone's psychology falls in line with yours.

@farside: pay more attention please. I already said Sundy-buddy and that DRK's super Town play earlier is confounding my thoughts of him being scum for his pathetic play this Day.

Hang on, I can't copy paste Magua's bullshit about me and CDB and cjdrum. I'll be back to kick his ass in a bit.

[yabbaguy]

I suggest two extra days

[Magua]

You're making the mistake I've made for months on end, you're presuming that everyone's psychology falls in line with yours.

This might be true if that was the only reason I had a townread on Toasty. It's not.

Very curious to see your defense of CDB.

[farside22]

I suggest two extra days

Please state the above.

Magua the only concern I have on CBD is last game he replaced in he didn't do or say anything and was scum. This game not only did he have an opinion, he said something that was like a kick in the stomache that really bothers me.
I don't agree with a TT lynch at this point either.
yabba: I want to know why you disagree with DRK's assessment.