Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

[Surye]

;_;

So much for alignment confirmed....
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Katsuki

[GreyICE]

;_;

Remember SEMG? I was just a tad too hammer happy? Aggressive, but didn't reevaluate?

We're too much alike in some ways I think

[nopointinactingup]

nopoint what do you think about surye?

Same to you, crazypi.

I don't think anything of him. His #128 post shows that he's taking a clear stance and provide reasons for it, which is at least slightly townish to me.

I think he's asking: why would you call something a "wishy washy double vote" and then vote two different players yourself? Isn't that just as wishy washy?

I supposed it's a bit. But his has a clear motivation, while I just didn't know who to vote becuz both GI and Glass has scummy points of their own. What I'm concerned about was Glass' 2nd post sheeping GI role speculation. His non-chalance makes it very scummy, but if that's the case then GI would probably be town ( who would sheep their scumbuddy in a non-chalant way? )

I thought that nopoint's case on GreyIce was crap which is why I voted him. Sorry if you misinterpreted. In class now, will post more later.

Speak. Now.

AGar 173
Ahh finally feels like you. TheAdmiral, who is scum?

Lol. GI lost that argument, totally.

"Dream On" - Epic Cover Rock
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"My Soul, Your Beats"

Quick, use your magic and divine something interesting that scum would definitely want to know from this information. If you can figure out concrete information scum would like to have here, then tell me and I'll self-vote and you can lynch me out of the thread.

Because if it doesn't exist, then you're FOSing me based on hypothetical magic.

This post is really scummy. It makes me feel like GI knows Surye is town and is challenging him. The argument GI makes by itself is flawed. Information is still information. Scum has more than town and they can utilize it better. The fact that you are acting you know scums cannot derive anything from this information can only be explained by the fact that you are scum.

Surye is town. Why don't you all get the fuck off his wagon. He does not look like the type to claim a gravedigger.

Katsuki: So .. your reason is based on Fate, who literally hasn't done anything the whole game?

[GreyICE]

So I'm scummy because I know that the information that I wanted to get too hard was of no use to the scumteam...

LLD, Fate, AGar - NoPoint: Dumb or Scum?

[nopointinactingup]

Fixed.

This post is really scummy. It makes me feel like GI knows Surye is town and is challenging him. The argument GI makes by itself is flawed. Information is still information. Scum has more than town and they can utilize it better. The fact that you are acting you know scums cannot derive anything from this information

atm

can only be explained by the fact that you are scum.

Unvote.
Vote:GreyIce

Calling me dumb won't be an appropriate response to my argument thank you.

[nopointinactingup]

Hmm just realized that I missed the interesting part. I don't see a scumslip from Katsuki

[Fate]

;_;

Thank you for not making this harder than it is.

Auto lynch without claim please.

[bvoigt]

Time for a wall of one-liners. Surye really gives me a "you caught me for bad reasons" vibe right now. Here are several examples:

Whooooooooooooa Katsuki. What's the deal? LLD and Katsuki jumped on me hard for one post:

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

During RVS everyone is talking about Fate, fake dayvigging fate, etc, etc. I have no idea what's going on, and I post. Suddenly OBVSCUM!!!1!!!

Also your commentary on the Fate wagon was loltastic.

From page 1? Loooool. Lets take page 1 that serious.

Because I've been the target of many all caps posts, with no cases. And it's frustrating to play on a L-1 wagon with no case, just LOLOL LYNCH SURYE, WE ARE CONFIRMED MASON SO EVERYONE LISTEN TO US LOLOL.

Your reaction to the Fatetown wagon was scummy as fuck.

Then Fate pointed out a pretty good point against you in his vote.

How is that scummy? That makes no sense. You can't just call something scummy and it is.

And as Grey pointed out, he seems to be looking for antitown, easy to attack actions rather than actually scummy actions.

Scum have shared information town does not. The fact that you KNOW this won't help, and won't even entertain the idea, are using it as a crusade against me, and

say scummy things like "I'll self-vote"

tells me your level of confidence can only come from information. And your push for something you are now running me up the flagpole with in TONS of your posts in this game is all the more scummy. I love my vote right now.

I don't think selfvoting is a scumtell, just a way for scum to try for a policy-style lynch.

Surye, what reason (flavor-wise) do you have for the gravedigger role?

I think he's asking: why would you call something a "wishy washy double vote" and then vote two different players yourself? Isn't that just as wishy washy?

I supposed it's a bit. But his has a clear motivation, while I just didn't know who to vote becuz both GI and Glass has scummy points of their own. What I'm concerned about was Glass' 2nd post sheeping GI role speculation. His non-chalance makes it very scummy, but if that's the case then GI would probably be town ( who would sheep their scumbuddy in a non-chalant way? )

What was this "clear motivation" again? I see no reason that Grey didn't just want to vote both players.

BTW, I don't buy the GreyICE case at all, and I'm not really sold on Katsuki, either.

[Katsuki]

;_;

Remember SEMG? I was just a tad too hammer happy? Aggressive, but didn't reevaluate?

We're too much alike in some ways I think

What

No, the smiley is from my alignment-confirmed mason and Fateypoo voting me.

I don't get the supposed scumtell.

[Katsuki]

;_;

Thank you for not making this harder than it is.

Auto lynch without claim please.

凸=.=凸

That quote was the result of a broken heart.

You will explain. ^^

[Fate]

There is nothing to explain.

You know as well as I do what you've done, and what you're planning to do.

[ThAdmiral]

Nah. Scum absolutely looooooovvveeee attacking people for random 'anti-town' things. It's so very useful to throw a few out and see who bites. Examples include:

Votes with no reasoning
Votes with 'teehee' reasoning
Roleplaying
Something that doesn't hand out any information, but can be interpreted as role fishing (Genre of music, gender of characters, etc.)

Town tend to react more or less like Glass/LLD - either agree or disagree, but overall evaluate the intent. Scum react much much much more like Surye - "Oh, look, a nice safe scumtell I can park my vote on and do NOTHING ELSE AT ALL."

I suppose that makes sense.

ThAd, what gave you town vibes about his last post?

It was his attack on you earlier. It didn't give me "town-vibes" per se, it gave me "doesn't-make-sense-if-scum-vibes" as discussed above.

Did Katsuki just scum slip>?

LLD, I saw it too.

...I didn't see it?

TheAdmiral, who is scum?

Let's see here. *waggles glasses, consults notes*
My picks as of now would be:
Glass
RBT
CrazyPianist

Surye is town. Why don't you all get the fuck off his wagon. He does not look like the type to claim a gravedigger.

This is a good point, imo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And you assume that MoI/the scum team wouldn't provide that claim for him?

[ThAdmiral]

Well, possibly - but he'd probably attract less suspicion if he just claimed vt. Doesn't make sense for a scum-claim imo.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.8 - As of post 264

Fate (0) -
bvoigt (0) -
Katsuki (4) - Fate, Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, Surye
Agar (0) -
Lady Lambdadelta (0) -
crazypianist1116 (1) - Riceballtail
Surye (3) - Katsuki, Raivann, Agar
ThAdmiral (1) - bvoigt
Riceballtail (0) -
Glass (1) - ThAdmiral
Nopointinactingup (2) - Glass, Crazypianist1116
GreyIce (1) - Nopointinactingup
Raivann (0) -

Not Voting (0) -

The Current deadline is May 18th at 9am EST. The Countdown can be found HERE

With 13 alive - 7 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Surye

Recent flurry of posting after the wagon looks to take some form is ugly as fuck. V/LA ended the 8th, it is now the 10th. You went the entirety of the 9th without posting. Now he's blaming inactivity on the V/LA. That ended on the 8th. What happened the 9th?

Back-and-forth overall on the genre-claiming is ugly, and one of the cheaper-tricks in the book (He wants to claim something? He must be scum!), and he's actually just waffled on the issue wherever it's been convenient for him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Surye

I'm sorry my vacation plans didn't coincide exactly with my V/LA, I will make sure we don't run late for you next time. Try something more substantial that attacking my V/LA. 1 day is nothing.

When your defense of lurking predicates on "I WAS ON V/LA GUYS!" and then your V/LA runs shorter than your absence with no explanation, I'll attack whatever I damn please.

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ThAd -> Surye connection noted.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: ThAdmiral

Feel like Surye claim is probably true. Gravedigger isn't actually that OP, since you usually get 1-shots of them all, and you can't dig and use a PR in the same night most nights. So it usually goes on a cycle similar to like.. an even-night JoAT.

Not sure on the Kats wagon, more happy to chase down ThAd who was buddying up to Surye but never got the love back. Probably scum trying to look good after a town flip. Not big on the slip, as it didn't seem like a slip to me.

@GreyICE

Dumb, methinks.

[Katsuki]

Oh his gravedigger shots are only 1-shot?

I thought he gained the powers permanently...

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: Raivann

This one Fate. Katsuki can live one day.

[Fate]

No she can't, seriously.

Raivann will be taken care of one way or the other.

While I still breathe, she needs to go.

LLD looks like Grey/Kats isn't that far fetched... please make a case for me.

[Glass]

LLD is always this paranoid about claiming any piece of our roles, so it's neutral, but the rest is just plain scummy.

I have been looking through LLD's previous games and I cannot see her being paranoid about this, can you provide me with links?

What katsuki has been saying rubs me the wrong way, it seems to me like she is saying whatever she has to to get Surye lynched (saying she has never seen a gravedigger in a mini before to saying that it is a scum ability with really no basis), but where is the scumslip fate and LLD mentioned?

Surye is town. Why don't you all get the fuck off his wagon. He does not look like the type to claim a gravedigger.

This is a good point, imo.

A question to both of you: Since you apparently think surye is not the type of scum to claim gravedigger, what is the type to claim gravedigger?

Well, possibly - but he'd probably attract less suspicion if he just claimed vt. Doesn't make sense for a scum-claim imo.

I call BS. He has a ton of suspicion on him already and claiming VT would not suddenly make his wagon collapse, it would probably get him lynched. So why, why, why would scum claim VT in that position?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Glass: What games have you been looking at?

Fate, can we lynch Glass once Katsuki is dead?

This whole "I think Katsuki looks bad, but can you tell me why she's scum" routine looks bad to me.

[Glass]

I looked at OoT, in the realm of the gods (town games), and bloodbath in camden (scum game).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ah.

OoT was my first game on the site, and I used flavor speculation in that game.

Learned quickly not to.

I died N1 in Realm of the Gods, so that's not useful. But there's no flavor in that game really.

Camden has no flavor either, and I was encouraging SK speculation in that game because setup speculation like that aided the scum.

[Fate]

Focus on writing that Katsuki case for me, and we'll see what happens

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ITT Fate is lazy and is differing to me to write his case for him.

Fine, I'll get it done.