Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

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/conforming to the required confirming.

@ Mod: Can we do a pregame RQS?

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EBWOP

Mod: can we have a pregame RQS

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kks.

1. Do you prefer playing as Mafia/Town/3rd Party?
2. How often do you usually post?
3. What is your timezone?
4. What is your stance on gut reads?
5. Can I expect WoTs from you?

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This is either going to be a long game or a short one.

Calling scumteam now as SleepyKrew, Elfin and Kool.

Vote: Elfin

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Esp, reasoning?

Of course I have reasoning.

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Didn't like his answers to my questions.

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RQS questions

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@ Elfin:

Unvote

@ SK: Just because you have little experience doesn't mean you can have a stab at trying to answer. It just looks like you were doing the same as Elfin and trying to not get any responsibility on you.

For the sake of my sanity. Who isn't just out of newbies?

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@ SK: Elfin is confirmed town. You can stop drilling him.

Next townie to clear.

Vote: Kool

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Because he is. Kinda hard to explain. Combination of tone, content and my newbie gut.

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1. He had done enough to not claim. I was answering that.
2. But not answering when you can just makes it look really bad.
3. Makes me less happy about your lack of answers.
4. See my post above.
5. Well Kool is a good one to get out of the way as he has the potential to be a liability because he isn't very definite.

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Btw. This may seen weird if you haven't played much but I've decided that I'm not even going to bother with scum hunting. Today is town hunting day.

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?

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There is no best way to hunt. Everyone does it differently.

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That's all it takes. We now finally have discussion. What we had before was pure mush.

Ok, let's go. Agreeing with the rest of the town is seriously not a good thing to do. Can you see how much day we have left. Don't you think we should use it. Elfin is town accept it, move on to something else. Townhunting is certainly the better option here as it is going to be impossible to scum hunt as I will constantly find myself with too many options as everyone will be spurting an even flow of scum tells. Nothing against your play but this isn't going to be the kind of game where you will be able to differentiate people. Especially if you are prescribing to the town is doing it so i should to play style. That my friends is not how we do it on this site. Stand out on a limb, convince someone else of something they didn't see. That is how you play mafia.

Now let's get this wagon going if you really want to follow the leader and be a sheep, or do what a good townie would and make a case on someone else.

@ SK: That was originally at you but it can go to the whole town.

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Actually no. Even if I was scum Elfin would be town. Take a look at Elfin's iso. Especially look at the stuff just before I unvoted. Look at it with the mindset of he is a confirmed town. You should be able to then see the motivations which is what separates town from scum. He has town motivations thus he is town.

That is completely independent of my alignment.

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No no no. It's I could be scum trying to WIFOM myself some town cred from pointing out the obv townie before anyone else can.

Now can you vote Kool. We need at least an L-2 wagon within the next day.

PEDIT: WIFOM = Wine in front of me. There is a wiki page. It is one of the few wiki pages that is actually more accurate than someone actually explaining it to you.

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Said Kool, not Esp. I can see how you could get them confused.

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Part above pedit @ sk.
Part below pedit @ you.

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ok back.
@ SK: I haven't. Haven't had an even leveled town before.
@ CoolHydra: I know you aren't. We have played before. Well one half.

@ Everyone, we need a wagon. Kalofer looks like who you guys want. He can be the next condemned or cleared. Not my favorite choice but whatevs.

Unvote, Vote: Kalofer

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@ Kool, there is this thing called IIoA. it stands for Information Instead of Analysis. It is what you are doing at the moment. i don't see it as a scumtell but some people do. Just letting you know, stating what is happening isn't the aim. Analyzing thought processes and motives is more what you should be aiming for.

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so basically, once day 2 starts it will be easier to pick out the scum.

Wish it worked like that.

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@charter: Largest wagon at that point. Simple as that.

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Who do you think is scum. Lay one name down.

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ok. Now go iso that player and make a case. I just want to see you do it. it doesn't matter if the case is weak but just try and work out why you feel that way.

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When are you going to se spanish?
I'll gt you in touch with my ex roommate if you really want. He is doing his PhD in Forensic Entomology.
Countries are easy.

@ Case: All I have to say in my defence is that each vote ran its course.

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We are getting off track.

@ Panzer: You up to date yet?

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13 player game. There are at least three mafia. And the only way there wouldn't be is if there were four in two teams of two.

So for all intensive purposes assume there are three mafias.

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Kal, Kool and Elf are all town. This game is brilliant.

Unvote, Vote: SK

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His reactions are townie. He is the weakest read of the three but he is definantly in my town-read camp.

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I wouls mark my reaction as a 7.

This stems back from him being the counterwagon that is forming ala charter's vote.
Also he was one of the original reads I posted and my gut is saying he is town based on his interest in the game. That isn't backed up by the logic as the inverse is more often true. And were he scum that would actually make alot of sense considering the way he answered my questions plus his play later on.

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well about a seven all round.

8 for Elfin
7 for Kool
5 for Kal

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Quinnster

Under no circumstances should you be rolefishing on day 1.

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EBWOP lol fail.

Unvote, Vote: Quinnster

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It didn't until you decided to make a second post. Now it looks like you are trying too hard to get flak of yourself. And only one vote and a fos. It doesn't look very good for you.

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Ok, why would someone asking Elfin for a claim (As you said thought happened) make it ok to ask for a claim from someone who isn't even going to be lynched?

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SK is vig. (lols at pun)

Ok that means DOC ON SK tonight. SK you should kill Kool tonight.

Now we can decide on a lynch. There have been more than enough claims. Kal and Elfin are now 10s and I will seriously consider stopping playing mafia if either are scum.

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Why else would you post that. Last time I saw something like that it was when I claimed SK immune Vig in an open game without meaning to. It was a complete slip but it broke the game.

Are you a vig?

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Well Kool is the obv vig target if there is a vig.
And if there is an outed PR then the doc should obv protect them.

Nothing that profound.

It wasn't role spec. It was response to what looked like a breadloaf

tm

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You know please for my frame of mind. YES OR NO. Are you an SK?

Please do not leave town in what will be a constant state of wifom. You opened this with your choice of words so you will need to settle it. I'm not asking for a claim unless you are the vig.

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V/LA for the rest of the weekend.

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Yay NS.

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Brilliant, we have tomorrow's lynch. Panzer, i don't care if you're town or not (If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.

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Unvote, vote: Panzer

Reread what you have read in the last page and make a nice little case on why you aren't scum and if I like I won't try and derail Ear's wagon.

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Panzer is tomorrow's lynch. See you all for Day 2.

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Sleepy IS NOT THE VIG.

Vote: Panzer

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Need to confirm something with the mod.

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If I can confirm you are town.

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No

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Thanks to my answer, I can't. Nor can I confirm you didn't kill charter. My result flavour was ambiguous so I was probably blocked.

Panzer is the lynch today. let us continue.

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You see a soft claim.

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All I'm going to do right now is request that the doc consider protecting me. And if we nab the roleblocker with today's lynch that I definantly get the protect.

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Well anyone with half a brain can see what I am. Enough on that. Get to lynching.

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I'm a tracker. I targetted SK last night and got a no result which upon asking the mod now sounds more like I was RBed.

I shouldn't have claimed.

Happy.

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Because MS was ambiguous with my result flavour. To me it looked like I got a result that you did nothing. I checked it with MS and it looks like I was instead blocked.

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It didn't occur to me until I had already softclaimed in thread. You were getting pressure fast and I was almost out the door. If my result was indead a no action Ididn't want to see you get lynched if I couldn't get on. After that I had to backtrack.

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It would have happened to elfin if I hadn't stepped in just before he was quick-lynched. There are a fair few newbies here. You can never be too sure.

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I have no other scum suspects.

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Explained myself yesterday. imo It is scummy enough on it's own to warrant my vote.

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I am happy to let SK live for now. I will hammer if he is put at L-1 but I would rather not.

Someone please come up with a wagon that isn't a soft claimed PR or one of my hard town reads and I will join the wagon.

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Actually,

Unvote, Vote: Coolhydra

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nvm

Unvote

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He would be much better as tomorrow's lynch.

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Panzer, is he calling you scum? No.
Are you getting scummier by being more worried than you should? Yep.

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My iso 42

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Parrot gets annoying.

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It's not cool. You've made your point.

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Hmmm...

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Kool raises an interesting point. Remind me to do an iso of SK at some stage.

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Nah, cbf. Just had dinner = chill time.

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Vote: Panzer

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He did a pretty scmmy action. Then had a whole page worth of scummy posts and has recently not been improving.

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You will understand that I am adding you to the list of unconfirmed.

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I can see a hip/SK/??? scumteam.

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hip, you have opened up a packet of worms. Do you have role related confirmation that SK doesn't have a kill?

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That doesn't require a vote.

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Depends. You can request a full claim if you think it is better to know or you can allow some of the claim to be hidden so as to not give scum more information.

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I don't want so many PRs outed, however i think that the information would be helpful. I am fine with just having the information out. TBH, I don't believe the claim. My gut is saying the two of you are buddies.

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Your sig doesn't save you from popping your head in when your name gets called.

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Yeah, Panzer is scum.

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Sup, cool. Gonna log in to the hydra account or you gonna post like that? :p

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OMG, you guys are seriously voting hip. There is NO way he is being lynched. Sure you lynch sleepy AND THEN hip if he was lying but you are not lynching an outed PR.

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SK, what difference does that make?

EVERYONE: STOP ASKING FOR A CLAIM. After looking at a few things there are a few roles hip could be. It is better for the town if less information is known past what is necessary.

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STOP TRYING TO WORK OUT WHAT HE IS. There are a heap of roles it could be. STOP IT and play the game.

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It's still fast regardless of suspicion on him.

Now, so far we are clearing SK on a combination of Mod WIFOM and Hip's result. Neither of which clear him independently. So SK is still a viable lynch target. Someone tell me the CO case, cbf looking back for it.

Unvote, Vote: SK

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Ok Panzer, do you a deal. We lynch SK over hip. SK has already claimed VT. Then if SK turns out to be mafia we lynch hip. Sound good?

Actually even if he doesn't turn out to be scum we still keep the option of voting hip open but not set in stone.

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1. Hip is acting scummier and panzer wagon wasn't taking off.
2. He still is, but he can always redeem himself. Sometimes you can't lynch your top suspect because the town don't agree. This is one of those times. So you go with something else that seems logical to you.
3. Mod WIFOM is when you try and outguess the mod.
4. I have reasoninbg in the back of my head. I need to see if it develops. He can consider it an IGMEOY if he wants to.

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Yep. Operative word is was. Although technically you should always be doing both. But eh.

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Down with lynching any of CO, SK and Panzer. First one to L-1 eats my hammer.

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@ Panzer, that would probably make me lynch you.

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@ Town. There are only five people that can be lynched today.

They are CO, Panzer, SK, Kal and Kool.

I have already said which ones I will help to lynch. Panzer, like it or not Hip's claim seems genuine.

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Panzer, like it or not Hip's claim seems genuine.

How is this?

Sit back, take off the omgus glasses and have a look back. The claim makes sense. I did say earlier that we should mod WIFOM but there is some room for a little bit, if only because this is a Mini Normal.

Your reactions are also coming accross as desperate. My scum read on you is getting stronger.

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You're looking at his vote post the wrong way. Look at hip's vote assuming that SK is scum. Think motivations. I'd rather you work it out on your own as that is better than me trying to tell you what to think.

If you still don't see it I'll let hip explain so that I can make sure it is what I was thinking.

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I can't find where he assumed SK had a killing role. Can you point it out in his iso?

The way I see it was that hip was trying to say that SK had convinced his scumpartners to kill charter in the night.

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We can agree to disagree. It is still unconfirmed that he is town. Of course. But he shouldn't be the lynch today because there is a chance that he is an important PR and there are other, just as viable, options.

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Unvote, Vote: CO

Anyway, for now I'm going to go here. The others are at least rpoviding input which is useful later for buddy hunting.

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@ giant bold question: The votes were served better by not being backed up. Helps get better reactions in some cases.

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Kal has expressed interest in the wagon and Panzer asked for the claim. Those are the two votes.

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What are we supposed to post. Sick your vote on CO. Put the hammer over his head. Get a claim. Possibly a lynch. Game is stagnant and needs a lynch.

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L-1

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Damn, you have a curfew where you live? Rough.

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I live right near my uni. There is literally nothing else in the 'city' except for a bit of freight stuff. So the whole economy down here revolves around us uni students. No one seems to care what we do as long as no one other than ourselves gets hurt.

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feel free to hammer. Unless someone seriously wants to attempt a derail. Only ones I'll go for are SK and Panzer.

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BAH

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Yeah. Knew that I needed to check on Cool as I figured if he was scum he would do the kill to avoid and actions working it out.

gg scum. SK, I know your head was in the right place with the Vig softclaim but it kind of resulted in multiple things being outed. Also, hip. The jailkeep is a doc protect FIRST and a roleblock SECOND. Even though it wouldn't have stopped anything you should've been protecting me night two not trying to roleblock a scum.

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It's ok. That's why we have the postgame. So that you can learn from the game you played.

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@ Cool: My advice is. Don't be the most town as scum. Tables usually turn lategame when people realise that townies always drop scumtells.