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1. Both are fun, but being Mafia can be stressfull because you have to fabricate a bunch of opinions.
2. I try to post twice a day, but I don't always make that goal. However, this head of the Hydra (Bub Bidderskins) may not post as much as the other head, because I'm in more games right now.
3. Central Time, GMT +6 I believe
4. I don't think they really exist. Even if it's a "gut read" there's still some backing behind it beyond just your gut. If there isn't any backing, then it isn't a gut read: it's a stupid read.
5. Oh God, I hate walls. Sometimes I do wall though, but that's only when I have to respond to walls.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Kalofer wrote:I like your avatar, is that hitman underneath the doom marine?
It's actually a combination of my avatar (Irving Lambert from the Splinter Cell games) and CooLDoG's avvie (the DOOM marine).
Elfen wrote:Well. I really don't like the RVS stage much, so Imma lay low till things start to pick up and all, past RVS
Vote: Elfen
Just because you don't like RVS doesn't mean you can't contribute to the discussion. Giving a random.org vote and then saying your going to lay low reads as ducking responsibility.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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CooLDoG here. But that should be evident by my apparent lack of spelling skills.
First off, we have to correct a spelling mistake by my other head, DOOM (video game) is actually spelled DooM.
The Kool wrote:I'm not gonna throw around random votes, but rather random suspicions, until I find something that is even remotely possible to base a vote off of.
^this defeats the reason for rvs. Throwing suspicions around at random holds no weight at all. Whilst a vote does. That is why its RVS not RSS (which is something else entirely).The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Quinnster wrote:First of all, since we're out of RVS, UNVOTE:
Secondly, elfen, I personally don't care whether you like RVS or not. You placed one then walked away and said you didn't believe in it. If you don't believe in it, why did you place one in the first place. You don't have to explain a random vote, it's random, but you still seem to be trying to dodge any criticism you may garner from it.
Okay you say we are out of rvs, that implies you have a valid suspect, if you had a valid suspect you would have voted. I don't see a vote in this post. Are we out of RVS or not?
Elfen wrote:Well, like I said, it wasw mostly the band wagoning I hated it about it >_> thats when I hate it >_> cause it goes out of hand and there is really no suspicion, but here is different. But I have been forcing my self to change my ways D: even though a part of me hates it
Assuming 3 scums (as is normal for mini's these days) they can get the 3/7 it takes to lynch, that means you need 4 townies to "get out of control" in order to lynch. But, you also have to get a bandwagon on guy to l-1 without people noticing, which is a very very difficult. I just don't see (and have never seen) how an rvs wagon could go to a lynch or get out of control.
Elfen wrote:Well one, I did use Random.org ._.
Why do you have to justify your vote? And why are RVS bandwagons bad. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the reason for RVS? I know this most likely belongs in theory discussion but I want to know why you are anti-rvs. Tip: "I'm anti-rvs" is not a valid reason .The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Quinnster wrote:I was taking my cue from SleepyKrew's assertion that we were out of RVS. Things were starting to happen, and I don't like holding a vote I don't believe in once the game gets going.
What is RVS then? When does it end?
When a scum gets randomly bandwagon and says, "Haya, guys we are out of rvs now, that means you guys gotta un-vote me like quinnster does.". When you say you are out of rvs that means that their are legitimate suspects worth a vote. Are there?The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Elfen wrote:CooLskins wrote:
Elfen wrote:Well, like I said, it wasw mostly the band wagoning I hated it about it >_> thats when I hate it >_> cause it goes out of hand and there is really no suspicion, but here is different. But I have been forcing my self to change my ways D: even though a part of me hates it
Assuming 3 scums (as is normal for mini's these days) they can get the 3/7 it takes to lynch, that means you need 4 townies to "get out of control" in order to lynch. But, you also have to get a bandwagon on guy to l-1 without people noticing, which is a very very difficult. I just don't see (and have never seen) how an rvs wagon could go to a lynch or get out of control.
Elfen wrote:Well one, I did use Random.org ._.
Why do you have to justify your vote? And why are RVS bandwagons bad. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the reason for RVS? I know this most likely belongs in theory discussion but I want to know why you are anti-rvs. Tip: "I'm anti-rvs" is not a valid reason .
Well, like i said, I am trying to to change my ways, which I know are bad ways, but some things don't die easly >_> and the reason I justified my answer was cause of this
Elfen, if you're anti-bw from RVS, then why'd you vote the same as my RVS? Stop contradicting yourself
But the reason I really don't like RVS casue it leads to a huge fight, and blah blah, it also is usually*when I play) a senseless bw. But Since this place is different, I am trying to convey my thoughts some :/ and when i played it was like a 4/20 ratio of scum to town. Its just a pingto me when there is only a week to discuss and some things don't go past it and people vote for you cause of something stupid >_>. but meh
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Okay, that was weird. I meant to post something other than just Elfen's quote. Silly internet...
@Elfen: The reason we're voting for you is not because you are against the RVS, it's because you are using the fact that you are against the RVS to dodge responsibility. Just because you don't like the RVS doesn't mean you can't contribute to the discussion.
The Kool wrote:Yes, well there were already 3 votes on him, which would make mine vote 4. Since it does take 7 to lynch, however, we probably won't be lynching until someone slips up big time, and everyone jumps at them.
But I have to agree with Sleepy here. That post just confused me, and I have now worked out that it was confusing for a reason. So that means I'm gonna
VOTE: Elfen
Why didn't you vote for Elfen before? He made the "confusing post" before Sleepy pointed it out. Why did you shamelessly sheep Sleepy's reasons and jump on the biggest bandwagon?
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I semi don't agree with my other heads vote, but we can go with it. For the record,fos: elfin.
Elfen wrote:CooLskins wrote:
Elfen wrote:Well, like I said, it wasw mostly the band wagoning I hated it about it >_> thats when I hate it >_> cause it goes out of hand and there is really no suspicion, but here is different. But I have been forcing my self to change my ways D: even though a part of me hates it
Assuming 3 scums (as is normal for mini's these days) they can get the 3/7 it takes to lynch, that means you need 4 townies to "get out of control" in order to lynch. But, you also have to get a bandwagon on guy to l-1 without people noticing, which is a very very difficult. I just don't see (and have never seen) how an rvs wagon could go to a lynch or get out of control.
Elfen wrote:Well one, I did use Random.org ._.
Why do you have to justify your vote? And why are RVS bandwagons bad. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the reason for RVS? I know this most likely belongs in theory discussion but I want to know why you are anti-rvs. Tip: "I'm anti-rvs" is not a valid reason .
Well, like i said, I am trying to to change my ways, which I know are bad ways, but some things don't die easly >_> and the reason I justified my answer was cause of this
Elfen, if you're anti-bw from RVS, then why'd you vote the same as my RVS? Stop contradicting yourself
But the reason I really don't like RVS casue it leads to a huge fight, and blah blah, it also is usually*when I play) a senseless bw. But Since this place is different, I am trying to convey my thoughts some :/ and when i played it was like a 4/20 ratio of scum to town. Its just a pingto me when there is only a week to discuss and some things don't go past it and people vote for you cause of something stupid >_>. but meh
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Why are huge fights bad? And why is a senseless bandwagon bad? A "senseless" bandwagon can lead to much information depending on how and who supports it. In fact all rvs bandwagons are senseless, but isn't that the idea? I would be more inclined to believe that your reasons are/were legitimate if you came out and said, "Look guys, Its rvs and the whole reason for rvs is to get a bandwagon going so we can get information, vote: largest wagon". But no, you have to seemingly hide your vote off of random.com (which wasnotmentioned in your orginal post). So my question is:
Do you or do you not support the idea of an rvs? And why. I don't care if your answer is scummy as hell, all I want is your real answer, not hiding behind random.com and "past games". Put simply if I was by myself I would vote for you right here and now, but I have to deal with someone else, and I respect his vote.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Espeonage wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:
Esp, reasoning?
Of course I have reasoning.
The implied question is "what are your reasons?" which I too want to know.
Elfen wrote:Well to answer your question. No, I am against it. I hate the idea of lynching some one(if the RVS is still on) and it always end up town and the person always seems town but other people some how think they are suspicious, I always think they are town. But some reason they think the person is scum :/ That is why, on most of the games, I don't vote on the first day, it is way easer to find scum on the second day, looking back on what people have said and all. That is my style, waiting for information to pass by then go at it, not try to strive for it when I know I won't able to get it. I dont give a flying shit if other people vote for other people, that is fine by me, it gives me a chance to see why and what was the consequences in the action they had. I just don't want people to say that I am scum cause I don't vote and all. But for some reason they do.
Does that answer some of it?? If not Tell my what else I need to explain further
Okay where to start with this, lets break this down.
Well to answer your question. No, I am against it.
Great, no problems what so ever. But after this it falls through with this:
I hate the idea of lynching some one(if the RVS is still on) and it always end up town and the person always seems town but other people some how think they are suspicious, I always think they are town.
1) No sane town lynches off of rvs. You will NEVER ever see it happen ever. The only reason a player who was wagoned in rvs will get lynched is if he responds badly under pressure.
2) Generalization. I can point to a game where the town wagoned me to l-1 in the confirmation stages and I was scum. Your chance of hitting on a truly random vote are 3/13 right now (again, assuming 3 man team, blah blah).
3) I don't know where you come from (no offence, you may have different mafia customs...) but people never really believe in early game reads. They will tell you otherwise to shake up the wagonee in order to get reaction.
That is why, on most of the games, I don't vote on the first day
This is anti-town and provided vig powers I would shoot you now. You should havenoreluctance to vote for a player who is scummy on d-1 at all.
it is way easer to find scum on the second day, looking back on what people have said and all. That is my style, waiting for information to pass by then go at it, not try to strive for it when I know I won't able to get it.
No argueing scum are found more on d-2 then on d-1 just by more information being available. But have you ever thought about where that information comes from? How do we have more information on d-1 then d-2? Well because people talk and bandwagon people that's why. And withholding your vote is in essence withholding information to a certain extent.
I dont give a flying shit if other people vote for other people, that is fine by me, it gives me a chance to see why and what was the consequences in the action they had.
So it would be safe to assume that you don't want people to see what your actions are. You wanna fly under the radar d-1 and then come out d-2 looking like friggin superman? And you do realize that if everybody withheld their vote (like you do) you wouldn't have any of that prized "information" that you love.
I just don't want people to say that I am scum cause I don't vote and all. But for some reason they do.
^and for good reason. Again I would vote for you right now, but I respect my other heads vote right now.
SleepyKrew wrote:Also, where is the mod?
yeah, some prods need to be dished out to people who haven't confirmed yet...The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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I'm a going to fix the quote tags for my convince, no content has been changed.
Elfen wrote:Okay where to start with this, lets break this down.
Well to answer your question. No, I am against it.
Great, no problems what so ever. But after this it falls through with this:
I hate the idea of lynching some one(if the RVS is still on) and it always end up town and the person always seems town but other people some how think they are suspicious, I always think they are town.
1) No sane town lynches off of rvs. You will NEVER ever see it happen ever. The only reason a player who was wagoned in rvs will get lynched is if he responds badly under pressure.
2) Generalization. I can point to a game where the town wagoned me to l-1 in the confirmation stages and I was scum. Your chance of hitting on a truly random vote are 3/13 right now (again, assuming 3 man team, blah blah).
3) I don't know where you come from (no offence, you may have different mafia customs...) but people never really believe in early game reads. They will tell you otherwise to shake up the wagonee in order to get reaction.
1) To be honest, I feel lost and confused on day one >_> I really don’t know what goes on it it. And by the time its out of RVS half of the day is over(a week was the time so after 5 days after that’s when I reline and it is kind of to late to do anything.
2)okay?
3)But wouldn’t it be best to try to get more than one person than on one person? Unless some one else comes along and trys to defend that person(which is me right now I suspect)
That is why, on most of the games, I don't vote on the first day
This is anti-town and provided vig powers I would shoot you now. You should havenoreluctance to vote for a player who is scummy on d-1 at all.
The point is I usually see no one as scum, but I most likely will since the day is longer.
it is way easer to find scum on the second day, looking back on what people have said and all. That is my style, waiting for information to pass by then go at it, not try to strive for it when I know I won't able to get it.
No argueing scum are found more on d-2 then on d-1 just by more information being available. But have you ever thought about where that information comes from? How do we have more information on d-1 then d-2? Well because people talk and bandwagon people that's why. And withholding your vote is in essence withholding information to a certain extent.
*sweat drops* >_> I know I know.. I really do need to change my ways.
Okay lets take part1...
1) To be honest, I feel lost and confused on day one >_> I really don’t know what goes on it it. And by the time its out of RVS half of the day is over(a week was the time so after 5 days after that’s when I reline and it is kind of to late to do anything.
2)okay?
3)But wouldn’t it be best to try to get more than one person than on one person? Unless some one else comes along and trys to defend that person(which is me right now I suspect)
1) This is most likely due to no fault of yours. Most likely you come from a place that has very short deadlines and where scum hunting isn't as encouraged. The the advice of the guy with 3d glasses on darthvader, play a good portion of a "noob" (trust me they are just as competitive as normals) game and read the wiki and you should be fine.
2)generalizations hurt the town. This is because they discourage discussion, scum hunting, etc. But it is a minor point.
3)I'm having some difficulty with your point #3. But from my understand you are saying that we should build up wagons correct? Well that's the point of rvs. And actually someone going over the top to defend a really silly point is a "Scum tell" so yeah...
The point is I usually see no one as scum, but I most likely will since the day is longer.
Again, you don't have to see anyone as scum to use your vote for town purposes. This may seem counter intuitive, but when you start to think about it it makes more sense. And naturally you will accumulate more reads later on.
*sweat drops* >_> I know I know.. I really do need to change my ways.
Its not a matter of changing your ways, its more about making the logical choice and thinking about the repercussions of your actions. This will improve over time. Look up any one of my games (this is CooLDoG) and you will see that I really suck (Go to mafia disscussion/forum 62 and ask anybody, except for a very select few). That's mainly due to me not see what my actions really mean. And with my self made "improvement project" I can already see my play develop and increase.
Elfen wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:Esp, you mean the questions from RQS, before the RVS, which we are now out of? What's so scummy about my answers?
I make mod appear
Also:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elf
You're either a very anti-town townie or scum, and I'm down with lynching either. If a bw picks up on one of my FoSes, I'll gladly
change my vote.
Also, some friendly advice. Since you're new and not used to the way things work here, you should play at least one Newbie Game. Not just one day, but a significant part (if not the whole game). I know I'm a newbie too, but I'm not coming from a completely different culture like you are. GL in the future, and I hope to play you again.
Thanks, but since im 5/7 do i claim now.
also, wait nvm.This isnt a themed game so the mod won't give false claims to the mafia.
And thanks
Okay, and why is this relevant if you are town? I find this to be a major slip. (stupid head again. I'm going to wait until he comes up and posts why he thinks kool is scummy...)
and the justification after the post, of course youmeantto say it
Elfen wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:I honestly don't know. I'd wait until L-1, but there might be a quickhammer before you claim. Defer to more experienced player.
Did you just claim Maf...? Also, you know Maf can make their own fakeclaim...?
And no problem
Oh, well I thought the mod gave them and no I am not claiming mafia. I was going to say i was iffy about claiming since mods give fake claims >_>
Still even if he did give out fake claims why wouldn't you still claim your real role? I'm just asking why would your claim change at all?
Espeonage wrote:RQS questions
So wait a second. You are basing your votes off of questions that you asked to more or less kill time? Or are you just voting for the biggest wagon to try to get a townie lynched?
Also My join date (CooLDoG) is in 2009 so is Bub's. And I'm pretty sure you can infer by that that we are not fresh out of noob games...The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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^my exact thoughts. Mod killed for claiming something different? What the hell.
@espy/kool/espy town hunting thing. Okay where to start?
Town hunting is a perfectly valid strategy. Lets just say that right here and now. Vi wrote something about this that really hits the nail on the head (its on the wiki @ http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... ot_fit_all). By the process of elimination if you find all the townies then you automatically know the scum. I personally don't like doing that, but what ever works for you/him is best. So from Vi:
Vi wrote:scumhunting is hyped up pretty well, but being able to Townhunt is fairly close behind in terms of importance. For obvious reasons, you don't want to lynch someone you have identified as Town. In addition, as you accumulate Town reads you can begin to lynch and argue from process of elimination. As long as your Town reads are accurate, process of elimination is one of the scariest things you can do to scum - now they not only have to look Town (which is already difficult for them), but they have to look more Town than others in order to evade your suspicion.
Of course, this leaves the question of how to identify Townies. This comes with the same experience described earlier when scumhunting was discussed.
I don't find town hunting in itself to be scummy.
I'm kinda getting why my other head likes kool as scum now, yet I'm still not convinced, I'm going to prod him to get in here and post his thoughts so far.
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ninja'd and I didn't want to put some on my above post...
The Kool wrote:Okay, that makes more sense. I was confused a bit there.
People keep going back and reading the thread, huh? Man, I might do that, but I don't have the dedication or the time. So, unfortunately, as much as I hate to say it,I often rely on other peoples' evidence and theories, and use those to formulate my own (note that I do not just bw along with their theories).
So you admit to being a sheep? And that you are easily manipulated by popular opinion? So you are admitting to a lack of independent judgment? This reads as going with the flow to me.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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^yes, but he says that he uses other peoples reasons to make his own. This (at least how I read it) shows a lack of content generation and a simple follower. Even if he does change things around a bit the core of his positions will always be other peoples. Also give up on meta. Its not that useful.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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The Kool wrote:Now that defense is out of the way, I am finding Kal scummy right now. Since I suck at note-taking and presenting lists, I'll just try to name a few things I find scummy...
Mostly because of his whimsical voting for me back there for no reason whatsoever. The flimsy non-reason he gave wasn't even a valid one. Also his liking of bandwagons, in the scummy sense. Also his read on Elfen as newbtown, with no evidence to differentiate between that and clever mafia.
Also because I desire for there to be a lynch soon.This is and isn't a bandwagon. I have indeed presented reasoning above, which makes it, at least, less scummy than Kal's bandwagoning. He has presented some redeeming logic, but anyone can be logical, even mafia. I may go read through a few more people, but for now, I'll vote for him.
We have sooo much time to make up our minds. Why should we lynch soon when we can wait a bit to make a better read? You aren't suggesting that we quick lynch day 1 are you? And why is lynching now better for the town then lynching later?
Right now I'm fully convinced that kool should be today's lynch. He also never seemed to defend (at least to my satisfaction) his sheeping and going with the flow.
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Okay, we know that both Kool and Elfen are noobs. That's obvious. But there is a difference between noob-town and noob-scum. I made a topic about this in Mafia Discussion once, and the difference ismotive. Both noob-town and noob-scum will act scummy, but noob-town want to help lynch scum while noob-scum don't care. Kool is noob-scum. Case in point:
Kool wrote:I'm going with the flow because trying to go against it makes my head hurt, calls me out as different, and makes everyone slam me with a barrage of questions, needing reasonings that I can't always put into words, and that makes my head hurt even more.
Wow. I thought I was ready for a small game here, no problem. Turns out everyone I've ever played with before is hopelessly newb compared to everyone here. You guys are downright aggressive.
And I'm not in a good way as far as defending myself goes. I've had to defend myself a couple times in the past two weeks, and almost every time failed at it and been driven to a lynch.Everyone expects different reactions.It makes my head hurt trying to conform.
And I can anticipate your reaction. 'Conforming? Scum! Lynch him now.' Trust me, it ain't that simple. You have to conform to the expectations of the scumhunters or get lynched as scum, whatever your allegiance is. And in the past week, I've had to deal with four distinctly different expectations. My head hurts.
Still, no excuse not to at least try, right? IIOA, right? Or whatever that acronym was? Fine. I'll make a proper case on someone. I just historically fail at defending myself, whether I'm town or scum.
This post (especially the bolded parts) belay Kool's true motive: not to get caught. Throughout the game Kool has made no efforts to catch scum but he has made every effort to conform and follow the town's expectations. Because he's a noob he doesn't know what those expectations are, but he has tried to follow them.
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Panzerjager wrote:I think they two scummiest people here are Kal and Sleepy to be honest with you. Elfen is confirmed town.I think Kool is confirmed scum but at this point I think we can save him for the second lynch if we catch his buddy.
Sleepy seems to be defending Kool(could be his buddy), while Kal is obviously distancing. Not sure which side i want to pick in the end, but I do want a claimVote:Kalofer
Why would you ever not lynch confirmed scum? I'm just asking. Because if you know for sure that someone is scum, shouldn't you lynch them? Isn't that the general idea of the game?
Quinnster wrote:Okay, The Kool. Here's what it comes down to. I was asked why I find you so pro-town, so I went back and read your ISO. You're playing really scummy, and I honestly can't blame people for finding you suspicious. However, I don't want to waste today's lynch on someone I believe so strongly to be pro-town. I want you to claim. I suspect that you've been breadcrumbing, and that's the only reason I have for finding you pro-town. If you're a PR, claim now so we don't lose a townie today and another tonight.
Despite role fishing here there is something that sticks out even more. Its this:
Okay, The Kool. Here's what it comes down to. I was asked why I find you so pro-town, so I went back and read your ISO. You're playing really scummy, and I honestly can't blame people for finding you suspicious. However, I don't want to waste today's lynch on someone I believe so strongly to be pro-town.
We never know why he thinks kool is pro-town. "Ohh, he's pro town" is the only reason we get. Aside from the stupid role fish you have yet to answer a basic question, and you actually seem to be dodging that question in later posts.
Quinnster wrote:I was asked to defend him against a large number of people who were suspicious of him. I had already showed my allegiance to him earlier on without explaining it, so I felt the need to. In retrospect, I should have heightened my actual case, instead of forcing a claim (a claim I had "proof" for, no less!).
Also, yes, he wasn't at L-1. More bad playing from me. I have no excuse for that. I've been incredibly stressed for other reasons recently, and I let them bleed into the game instead of playing logically. Not that that's a reason. I'm living every single thing I warn newbies against, and I can't believe what a monumentally bad play that was. The mind boggles. I'm also used to 9-player games, where 5 would be the majority, instead of 7. I felt I needed to because I was afraid he'd be lyched and we'd lose two townies before day 2 instead of one. In my mind, it was the only possible play for me, but my mind turned out to be really dumb.
Another appeal to being a noob? What is this game turned into? Let's lynch the less nooby person because they know for sure whats going on and they have to be scum.unvote, vote: charter<- this guy is so much more experienced then me that he has got to be scum. Simply because he makes no mistakes and looks pro town means that he is scum. NO other questions about it he is too good to be town. Lets lynch him.
And again he doesn't actually lay out that case. Let me guess the reason why he doesn't lay out that case. Because he doesn't have one.
@quinnster,
1)do you or do you not have a case on kool being town? If yes, you had better have it in your next fucking post.
2) can you or can you not defend yourself without using the noob card? And in your next post do it.
3)Why should we believe you? If yes, in your next post tell me why.
4)Scum reads here and now with reasons. No exceptions.
unvote, vote: quinster. I will also be voting for the next person who uses the noob card as a defense. Spawning a new strategy: lynch all noobs.But in all seriousness, it's really getting a tad bit ridiculous.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Sorry for any confusion in me saying "kalc" when I meant Kalofer. Man, Quin's looking scummier by the moment. What I find scummy about him, however, is not the rolefishing. I view rolefishing to be a weak tell at best. What I don't like about him is that he totally crapped his pants after only one vote. As soon as he was caught, he instantly got defensive and somewhat scared. That's scum behaviour, plain and simple.
Also,FoS: Spreme Overlord. Asking meaningless questions about other people and yet not taking a firm stand on anything or voting is textbook diplomatic scum.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Oh, sorry. Overlorddidvote for Kal back with his first post. However, his remaining posts have been spent asking weak questions directed at Kal and others that don't have any weight behind them.
PS: In case you're confused, the first post was made by CooLDoG, the last two were made by Bub.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Quinnster wrote:CooLskins wrote:
@quinnster,
1)do you or do you not have a case on kool being town? If yes, you had better have it in your next fucking post.
2) can you or can you not defend yourself without using the noob card? And in your next post do it.
3)Why should we believe you? If yes, in your next post tell me why.
4)Scum reads here and now with reasons. No exceptions.
unvote, vote: quinster. I will also be voting for the next person who uses the noob card as a defense. Spawning a new strategy: lynch all noobs.But in all seriousness, it's really getting a tad bit ridiculous.
1) I do not. It was only my stupid view of him breadcrumbing.
Not to respond with a another quote but,
quinster wrote:I was asked to defend him against a large number of people who were suspicious of him. I had already showed my allegiance to him earlier on without explaining it, so I felt the need to.In retrospect, I should have heightened my actual case, instead of forcing a claim (a claim I had "proof" for, no less!).
So your case only consists of one point?
quinster wrote:2) I cannot. I've been playing for a while. I should know better. I was easily able to handle two games, but now something's happening IRL that's clearly making me not think straight. I am not going to pull out the newb card, because I should not need it, and I won't hide behind it.
^yet you do not make an effort to defend yourself without using it.INFORMATION: I will advocate the lynch of anybody who uses the noob card after this point.
3) I didn't really leave myself a lot of room to be believed, here, did I? I should hope you can see that it would be a shitty move if I was mafia, and it would be a shitty move if I was town. I'm not trying to play WIFOM, but trying to show that it was a shitty move in general.
SO we should believe you because your play is bad that neither scum nor town would do it? Isn't that the same thing as the noob card? And we never hear real facts or quotes to believe you.
4)Espeonage- In ISO #s 8 and 9, being sure that elfen is town so early, in ISO #14, telling everyone else to completely stop looking at elfen, ISO #19 voting for Kalofer while saying he's not his "favourite choice" seems like distancing, in ISO #28 confirming three more town without any sort of doubt whatsoever.
fine, much better. You actually site information.
now on to other things...
Kalofer wrote:Panzerjager wrote:I think they two scummiest people here are Kal and Sleepy to be honest with you. Elfen is confirmed town. I think Kool is confirmed scum but at this point I think we can save him for the second lynch if we catch his buddy.
Sleepy seems to be defending Kool(could be his buddy), while Kal is obviously distancing. Not sure which side i want to pick in the end, but I do want a claimVote:Kalofer
I'm distancing orrrrrr I'm town and voting for someone who I think is scum, why are you preferring the former over the latter?
As to the claim I'm a VT.
yeah, do I really need to saying anything about this. Yes one thing:
LordChronos wrote:
Why the hell did you claim at L-3?
@All
Is anyone else confused about why you would see something you think is someone bread crumbing and then call attention to it as town, especially if that player is not the leading wagon?
I'd be happy with either Quinn or Kal as a lynch today. Kool can wait til we lynch Quinn.
Kalofer wrote:why would it matter whether I claim at L-1, 2, 3 or whatever?
Answer: Because lets say you were actually a power role. Lets say a doctor for example. You claim at l-3. People aren't really committed to your wagon (as is right now) and we go off and lynch some other guy. The scum (knowing that you are town) nk you and we lose the doc over nothing. If, however, you claimed at l-1 you wouldn't have given the scum the information as early as you would have when you claimed at l-3. And the town is already sorta going to lynch you so if you don't get lynched today the scum might rationalize that you are dead meat and not nk you to wifom the town.
cloudocean wrote:I don't understand any of Espeonage's theories/reads
Who does?
But one thing can be said about espy, he is ether doing a good job of trying to find out what is going on or he is doing a really good job of covering up his rolefishing.
kool wrote:Alright. You recall me pulling out the newb card, yes? Here's the newb card? There goes the newb card, out the window. Bye! I plan to never need you again.
Yes, but is this because some one said they would lynch you over it (me). Or is it because you are actually going to post content?
kool wrote:Before I get on to my reads, I would just like to wave the card I just threw out the window one more time.
^you know, this is exactly what I was thinking you were going to do.
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Kal and Kool may both be scummy, but they are not scum together. I don't reads Kool's vote on Kal as a bus, and Kal's attitude towards Kool is not indicative of them being scum together. Right now, I've got a stronger scum read on Kool than Kal, so right now I think Kal is prob town. Scummy town, but town nonetheless. ATM I'm thinking the scum team is Quin/Kool/Supreme Overlord. I'm a little weak on the Supreme Overlord read, but that's what I've got.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Elfen wrote:Oops, sorry, I was going by number on the the quote @_@
12)Kal- Well, what can I say here, from a 1-10 (1 being town 10 being scum) I say he is like a 7.5, basically following a person I don't even understand @_@
and oops, why did I put that for 5?
5) I meant to say... he is a 6, He hasn't posted much, nor tried many things, but I am still curious to why he thinks I am suspicious.
Sorry, for the late post.. a Tornado watch where I live >_> and my grandparents where like.. "Get off the computer in case the computer shuts down and won't mess it up" >_> so yeah, That's why i have been on and off. and excessive reading >_> (♥ being a nerd)
@SK, I shall do that tomorrow.. I gotta study for bio test thats tomorrow, and I am makign like a 76-85 and If I do not make a 94-100 on this test, I'm fucked, I get grounded if I get a B
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Panzerjager wrote:I'd be willing to bet that Quinnster replaced out because he was caught scum, this happens quite often. Sorry earworm, but your predecessor has screwed you. Earworm can't answer for things that quinnster's done and the replacement has effectively left us in a situation where the correct play is to lynch earworm.
@Elfen, also curious why you copied all of kalofer's reads, and why am I neutral "plain and simple"
I have actually been thinking the exact same thing. Quinsters actions would be grounds for a d-1 lynch in any other game. That is why (unless my partner has changed it) my vote is on quin/ear right now. This actually brings up an interesting situation: Is replacing out after making a scummy post a scum behavior? I personally think that it is.
I have to go shortly but will be back, but just in case I get held up here are some of my reads:
Elf=town
kool=scummy
And I'm currently finding kal's recent posts to be more town driven then before, so he has upgraded to net/slightly scummy
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Sorry I didn't get to this sooner:
Supreme Overlord wrote:Could you give me an exapmple of a question that might hold 'more weight'?
A probing question that furthers your current wagon, not just a bunch of weak, clarification questions. One good question is worth a dozen fluff questions. This reads to me of scum trying to conform.
SleepyKrew wrote:I understand the argument on Quin. Mostly. Though I disagree, he did indeed act scummy. However, this replacement logic is fucking bullshit. Did any of you guys actually consider doing a little research? Quin has also replaced out of his other game, and his past post in general was four or five days ago.
I'm going to reread to see who first suggested replacing as a scumtell, and who advocated it.
I don't like the implied threat here. To me, the reason that Quin was scummy was because when he got caught rolefishing, he instantly got scared and defensive. With regards to his replacement, we should be wary of letting him charm us, and Quin's scumminess should still count against his slot. I just finished a game where a scummy player replaced out, and his replacement was able to charm his way into the town's good books, but it turned out that he was indeed scum.
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ns wrote:
(This feels SO MUCH[] like a Newbie game. Am I in the right forum?)
This is exactly what I'm thinking right now.
@ear worm, what questions will you be willing to answer? Because the main reason why we (hydra) think that your slot is scum is because of the actions of your predecessor. And it seems to be an all to convenient road block that you have set up. Also post a list of your top 3 scums.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Elfen wrote:@ CS, would you mind posting you suspicions to from the past 48 hours and tell why? If you don't mind :p
Yes I can. But here is the deal I can only speak for my (CooLDoG's) part of the hydra. Bub has some different reads then me so this will most likly be in two parts.
los:
Quinster/earworm- Role fishy fishy, horrific reactions to votes, pathetic replace out, and out right refusal to answer questions (ear's first post), then a slight back-track about it later.
The Kool- mostly made from my other heads convincing. I know find him scummy after an iso/ re-read of him. reasons: No scum hunting at all. No effort put into finding scum. Bad reactions to votes. Scum motivation for posts. And lack of a definitive position (always going with the flow/ never makes up his onw mind)
and if you force me to name a scum team right now I would have to say kal.PartlyMostly based on gut (I still find him net to slightly scummy right now). Also his early claim is kinda weird, and some of his earlier posts aren't that good. This is not a strong read at all.
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charter wrote:If you think we're lynching Panzer for that, you're very wrong.
I hate to quote people and say, "he is right." but in this case I must. Panzer has always been advocating the ear lynch. He wants ear dead. And if a slightly humoristic comment can get him lynched then so be it. He is NOT tomorrow's lynch at all.
@charter, is spitting out bad mafia theory scummy? Or just misinformed?
Espeonage wrote:Brilliant, we havetomorrow's lynch. Panzer,i don't care if you're town or not(If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.
@espy, So you would lynch him even if you got a (theoretical) cop innocent on him? You are blindly lynching people without anilzing their posts to try to gain town credit.
The Kool wrote:What the heck, Panzer?That is the most blatantly scummy thing I've ever heard to date!Unless you have some serious reasoning to back that up... I have to agree with Ear on that one. Seriously, can anyone explain why there my ever be any reason to selfhammer aside from Mafia giving up? Asking someone to do so is utterly pointless in either case.
Same as above, you are just trying to lynch somebody (possibly to derail the ear wagon) who has made one bad post in order to gain town credit. And if that is the most scummy thing you have seen all day! why didn't you vote for him?
My personal view on the panzer thing is that people are over reacting to nothing. Today's lynch is ear worm period.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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cloudocean wrote:I agree with LordChronos, people are making too big a deal out of the self-hammer call.
@CooLskins
Is there a reason why you're asking charter for the impact of bad mafia theory if you're calling Espeonage out on the same thing? (Disregarding alignment and setting up lynches).
yes, specifically because he said that, "espy is spewing out bad mafia theory all the time". I wanted to know if because of that he thought it was scummy. It has nothing to do with espy (only that he is the one doing to spewing...).
SleepyKrew wrote:charter wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:kk, "thoughts" after this post. But first:
It would be anti-town to not hammer here. The town feels as though ear is the proper lynch, and is ready to gogogo. My read on him as town is purely gut, and I have said several times I might be wrong. Now will you stop tunneling and actually contribute?
Hilarious. You don't hammer someone you think is town over a week before deadline if you are town. Your explanation is crap and you are scum.
Sleepy wrote:So, ignore the fact he also replaced out of his other game, ignore he hasn't logged on in five days, and assume he's lying and that there isn't actually something going on in his life? Yeah, sure.
Since he said he was replacing out because he said he sucked, yeah, I am ignoring that.
Your explanation of your questions was terrible and leaves me even more confused. Just keep on calling me scum, I don't care, but I'm not going to keep running around with you about this, so save your breath. And go ahead and dance around in your tin foil hat waving your arms about how I'm scum because I didn't answer your questions. See how that goes.
I said I have gutread on town that did something scummy. If the town has agreed on it, then why do you want me to stay away? So you can point at me later?
Your replacing logic sucks, so yeah, I'm ignoring it.
And yes, not answering questions is scummy as hell.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: charter
Okay this is a quote pyramid, but I need to show it in order to provide proper context. Here is what basically happned:
1)SK says, "It would be anti town tonothammer in this case". Regradless of the fact that we have a week, and the town can always use more time to talk (why do you think quick lynches are bad?)
2) Charter call him out on it. with "Hilarious. You don't hammer someone you think is town over a week before deadline if you are town. Your explanation is crap and you are scum.". Which is a fair assessment of what sleepy said.
3) "waaa , your logic sucks. vote for charter!". I'm not a fan of omgus being a scum tell, but this is really just silly.
cloudocean wrote:@charter
Missed 479. I'm not making a big deal out of it. 517 provides no substantive empirics to show correlation so I'm going to ignore that.
@elfen
When have I made a big deal out of nothing?
unvote
I hate it when people unvote without voting. You do realize that not voting is almost the same as voting for a no lynch (depending on the rules of the game). And common, you have to have more then one read. As a VT you only have one power and that is to vote, so use it. [/rant]
@panzer, lynch happy much? One off-hand humanistic comment (I don't like jokes though...) is fine, but a whole half page is a little bit much.fos: panzer. We can let ns catch up and post what he thinks, we have a week or so. However, ear worm is still the best wagon, panz3er is still mild compared to ear/kool imho.
Why are you in such a hurry to hammer?
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Apparently Sleepy is okay with lynching half the living players. Sleepy, do you have any speculation on the scumteams whatsoever?
Right now, I think that Panzer is very scummy if ear flips town. From my (Bub's) point of view, his asking for a hammer on ear goes beyond what can be considered town pushing for a lynch. If ear flips scum, however, then Panzer is all but cleared.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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I want to answer these questions before night phase (all for sk):
@Hydra 551:
1. This question confuses me. You tell me not to lynch early, then say I think quicklynches are bad. But yeah, I didn't realize we had that much more time. Still, the town is set on ear. Prolonging it won't add anything useful, just more garbage to sift through later.
I always assume that public information is always known by all players (this includes deadlines, lynch rules, night phase length, prod dates, etc.). Actually it has had something useful, you directing power roles, and you making out right scummy comments. As well as a solidification of my kool read. Sometimes when a lynch is a "sure thing" the scum might take a "we got him" attitude and become complacent.
2. Quinn acted scummy. My only reasoning for town was a gut read. I'm perfectly fine with lynching an anti-town townie, because, once again, my read is GUT.
Lynching a townie is never good simply because it helps fulfill the scum win condition. This could be debated (is killing someone who harms you, but hurts your enemy worth it?).
3. OMGUS? I said NeEvil was scum. I've been saying charter is scum. Not OMGUS. And tell me, is it not scummy to not answer my questions? How the hell not?
Then why did you vote him only after he called you out, and not before? If anything he was scum hunting in that post.
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LordChronos wrote:Kalofer wrote:Knowing that you're town sickens me sleepy, it's making me lose hope
Erm, what?
Yeah, is that a cop softclaim? No strike that, is that a cop claim?
vote: SK
Stupid votes, and non-definitive reads. As my other head points out, he wants to lynch half the town.
SleepyKrew wrote:IHe's been after me for a while.only voted him becausethe Kalwagon failedand he was my #2 read. And everybody still refuses to acknowledge that he refuses to answer my questions.
I look forward to the flip and to tomorrow
Need I say anything? Apparently I do... So you voted him because he was
and because he didn't answer questions.After you for a while
The second reason is legitimate, not answering questions isn't pro-town and stops the town from gaining information.
The first reason is out right [insert your favorite slightly offensive derogatory term]. So you wanted to lynch charter (who flipped town I might add) simply because he was suspicious of you? I have suspicions of you, why don't you want to lynch me? I have been after you for a while now, why don't you want to lynch me? I have a feeling that the second reason is just to cover up your real motive for wanting charter (and using the same logic,meus [damn hydra] lynched). Your real motive for wanting charter lynched is to get rid of people who suspect you.
And you should never vote for someone just because your wagon failed, you should always be voting for your number 1 read, unless deadline/special mechanics would make it unwise for you to do so. And farther more, no one was going to lynch charter. There is/was even less support for a charter lynch then for a kal lynch. So even your point about kal's wagon fizzling out makes no logical sense.
Ohh, and we must add this in as well while we are at this:
SleepyKrew wrote:If I don't die, that is. But I don't see why scum would bother killing me.Doc on the hydra?
Directing power roles... So many things are wrong with doing this, I don't even want to start.
Put simply I don't forsee anybody else getting lynched today except for this guy. I'm going to have to get bub in here to post something,
@mod: but Bub is having computer problems right now, so he is on v/la. However, Bub might have an alternate way of posting... You should expect the same activity from me though (CooLDoG)
V/LA noted.
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SleepyKrew wrote:Quote dissecting time
CooLskins wrote:LordChronos wrote:Kalofer wrote:Knowing that you're town sickens me sleepy, it's making me lose hope
Erm, what?
Yeah, is that a cop softclaim? No strike that, is that a cop claim?
vote: SK
You're voting the supposed cop's inno?
So we have a watcher, tracker, and a cop in the same game? Also, He never came out and formally claimed and thus I voted for you...
Stupid votes, and non-definitive reads. As my other head points out, he wants to lynch half the town.
Point to my stupid votes? Point to my non-definitive reads? I had 4 suspects, with a supposed 3 man scumteam. 4 is too much? [/quote]
The unvote of kal is mega stupid. As I said, your charter vote was going no where at all, and because of that you weren't contributing to the town at all, thus a stupid vote. You should also narrow down your scum suspects a little more. ! of those 4 has got to be way scummier then the other 3. Place your vote on that person near the start of the day/when he reaches that scum level and stick to your guns.
So you voted him because he was
and because he didn't answer questions.After you for a while
I was under attack for supposedly OMGUSing him. So I explained that he'd been after me for a while, but I didn't vote him because I thought Kal was scummier. The Kal wagon failed, I moved to my #2 read. I've been saying that slot is scum for quiet a while, no OMGUS. Unfortunately, I was wrong.[/quote]
So we really don't answer anything here do we? again we have the "Because he has been after me for a while" reasoning. Because anybody who was after such a pro-town player as yourself would most certainly have to be scum. I'm asking you specifically about that "He has been afterME" thing.
Ohh, and we must add this in as well while we are at this:
SleepyKrew wrote:If I don't die, that is. But I don't see why scum would bother killing me.Doc on the hydra?
Directing power roles... So many things are wrong with doing this, I don't even want to start.
Enlighten me please. I don't see what's wrong with it, and would love an explanation. And I asked for you to be docced because you are the most protown.
Anything else?[/quote]
I think the other people have explained this well enough for now, if you want me to I could explain farther.
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yes, I screwed up those quote tags. It is still readable though (the bbcode on that one was really weird),
So I'm back and I would like to address some other things...
Kalofer wrote:Cool, that's a really good case and all which I totally agree with but there's one thing that is making me hugely doubt it and that's the charter kill, how do you explain it?
Charter kill is easy to explain. I normally don't like night action speculation because it diverts the town, but because you asked I will...
Possibly night action order:
1) Scum kill NS.
2) Sleepy, being the sk (Irony?) kills charter because he is pro-town and suspicious of him.
^it is possible, if not probable.
Kalofer wrote:
And SK decided to nightkill charter (being a vig... WHICH HE BREADCRUMBED TOO PEOPLE) because he believes that everyone who disagrees with him is definitely scum (look at necessary evil, me and charter as the most obvious examples).
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You do realize that vig is simply the best fake claim for an sk? Tracker/watcher/gunsmith gets same results. Only a cop can differentiate between a vig and an sk for sure. Also the disagreeing point also gives more proof to an sk role. Keep in mind I'm not saying that SK is cum, I'm saying that SK is scum in the sense that he is an anti-town role. Sorry if I was un-clear...
Kalofer wrote:Knowing that you're town sickens me sleepy, it's making me lose hope
This is where I get the cop/softclaim, however, with the new watcher claim I find another investigative role to be unlikely...
Now lets get to some of sleepy's posts that I didn't have time to get to before...
The BW on Kal failed. I'M NOT THE VIG.
Okay lets follow your logic.
1) Top suspect's wagon failed.
2) No point in voting for a wagon that wouldn't go anywhere
3) vote for my #2 suspect, whose wagon has even aless chance of getting a lynch
How does this make sense? You unvoted because your #1 failed, and then you voted on another "wagon" which had an even less chance of lynching.
SleepyKrew wrote:Yes, I do indeed see a softclaim. And I think I know what for as well.
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SleepyKrew wrote:Except we can't be sure we can believe you.
Also, claim for those of us without half a brain?
Role fishing. If you already knew what he was claiming, why ask again?
SleepyKrew wrote:Why did you claim then, if you were blocked?
The "duh, you were so stupid" card... You wanted him to claim, and then you said it was dumb for him to claim???
Espeonage wrote:It would have happened to elfin if I hadn't stepped in just before he was quick-lynched. There are a fair few newbies here. You can never be too sure.
Truth!
and lastly,
SleepyKrew wrote:1. I don't think Kal is cop.
2. Kal is my scummiest. He had my vote most of D1. He has my vote now.
3. Again, I was under attack for supposedly OMGUSing him. I pointed out that it wasn't OMGUS. We'd both been after each other for a long time, and I only switched to him after the Kal wagon failed. Again, I was wrong here.
Hip, enlighten?
Look if you don't want to answer any thing about your continuous use of the wording, "He was after me for a while". Then I will not respond to your posts.
He being after you is not a town motivation for a vote, in fact it is a survivalist/scum motivation for a vote. And again, you switched your vote from a dying wagonto a wagon that had zero support.. And to top things off, kal's wagon doesn't have any support at all. its dead. Why are you voting for him then? We have been after each other for a while, and espy wouldn't mind my lynch, why don't you go and vote for me? using your charter logic I would be an A+ vote.
Will you or will you not answer to my points? You are currently cherry picking the easy stuff to answer and not answering to the bigger issues. I will not tolerate it. So here are my questions:
1) Why is "he being after me for a while" a valid town reason?
2) why is hopping off your #1 scum read to a wagon that had zero support a town motivated vote?
3) why is am I not a good lynch (based off of your logic)?
4) Build a case on kal.
5)Why is your vote your charter vote conveniently voted right after he attacks you?
5a)Why not switch it before? The wagon was just a dead.
6)Why did you suggest a doc protection on me?
7)Why direct power roles in general?
8)What are your reasons for voting for charter?
Answer to all of these 9 points.
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@SK: with regards to you suspecting half the living players, here's the post that you made that led me to say that:
Sleepy wrote:Fine with Lynching:
Kalofer
charter
Espeonage
Kool
Elf
Getting There:
Panzer
You essentially said that you would be okay with lynching six people. 6/13=0.46 or about half the living players. Interestingly enough, the person you ended up voting for was not on that list, essentially bringing the total up to seven.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Also, I'm tempted to believe espy's claim. I view it as very improbable that scum would come out and fake-claim as tracker with no results just to try and draw the doc protection, especially this early in the game when a counter-claim is likely. And even if the idea was to out the actual tracker, why try to out the tracker and not a more usefull (and un-protectable) role such as doctor?The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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SleepyKrew wrote:CooL, my other answers were satisfactory?
Well, this isn't CooL, this is Bub posting from a different PC. I'll let CooLDoG determine if your answers were satisfactory, but I think right now those answers are kind of irrelavent because if Hiplop is telling the truth, then you are virtually confirmed town.The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.-
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Okay, first of all, I think that Hiplop is telling the truth. I really don't see scum claiming another information role when there are already two outed info roles.
Operating under the assumption that both are telling the truth, then espy, hiplop, and Sk are all town. Furthermore, I read Elfen as noob town. That leaves us with:
LordChronos
cloudocean
The Kool
Kalofer
Panzer
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SleepyKrew wrote:Hydra, you just named half the player list
Oh look, Kalofer is on that list. Let's do what we should have done yesterday.
:shrug: I guess I did, but I'm not exactly willing to lynch all of those players (e.g. I don't think LordChronos or cloudocean are the lynches for today).
I'll need to do some more digging. For one, I don't think Kool and Kal are scum together. Kool's play reads more of scum to me than SK, so right now Kool is in my prospective scum pile and Kal is in my prospective SK pile.
Sleepy wrote:Request, could the heads of the hydra sign their posts?
That's a good idea.
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@Kool, why are you sheeping me/us without adding much if anything? If you don't see something why are you trusting me? Blindly following is nether pro-town nor productive.
Panzer is a tempting vote, but I'm going to have to do some re-reading because sleepy was the obvious lynch for today and I funneled most of my attention to him...
So lets break this down,
We have:
1 watcher
1 tracker
1 gunsmith (cop)
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1 scum role blocker.
Now lets see how that works out:
Confirmed (assuming truthful claims) town:
Espy
Hip hop
SK
then we have the noob who is all but confirmed (my opinion):
Elfin
So this means that I have these people:
LordChronos
cloudocean
The Kool
Kalofer
Panzer
to iso, which I will start on now with Lord Chronos... I will post an iso report after each player. It might take me more then one day, but after those iso's and a possible full context read I will vote...
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Yes this is a mighty wall of death right here. A summary will be added at the end for all of those who don't have to time or will power to read it.
I have it divided up into stages (or sections if you prefer) so you can have a little context instead of random quotes...
There are questions in here, but most of them don't need to be answered. They are simply thare to explain why the quote is important. However, feel free to answer to them if you want to.
-Stage the first:
The RVS Period
The start of this game is mainly dominated by RVS discussion. While it is not the most important part of the game, or most reviling it still has some relevant points.
Elfen's 36 wrote:Well. I really don't like the RVS stage much, so Imma lay low till things start to pick up and all, past RVS
This still makes me mad...
Kool's 34, 44, 47, and 50 (pages 2&3...) feel like noob to me. Looking at it its the same type of stuff that elfin was saying.
The Kool's 55 wrote:We have as long as we make it. I am perfectly used to RVS as well, and where I came from a day is a week as well, and RVS there usually lasts longer than it just did here. Three weeks is just the limit, we could lynch today if everyone agreed the same guy was scum.
This is a slight appeal for a quick lynch.
Elfen's 62 wrote:Necessary Evil wrote:Here's a question for everybody: how often in your experience do scum discuss random voting or the RVS? I don't have an answer, which is part of the reason why I'm asking.
Every game I have played. I have not voted, they brought it up and so on >_>
So in order to survive you conform even though you don't personally think its correct. If you adequately express your reasons for not partaking in rvs then you should not be criticized. Why do you care about appearing town?
from then on nothing much happens... until this
Espeonage 106 wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:
Esp, reasoning?
Of course I have reasoning.
minor yet still doesn't answer the question until here
Espeonage 108 wrote:Didn't like his answers to my questions.
but naturally he was refering to these (112),
Elfen 16 wrote:Espeonage wrote:kks.
1. Do you prefer playing as Mafia/Town/3rd Party?
2. How often do you usually post?
3. What is your timezone?
4. What is your stance on gut reads?
5. Can I expect WoTs from you?
1.Dunno, only played as Townie :/
2. Every day
3.CST
4.Usually teh best option to follow if you don't know where to turn
5. Hh?
so he doesn't like the answer to 1 and 4...
I can sorta see it now, his number 4 could warrant an rvs vote but other then that its just the forming of a bandwagon.
Thus ends part 1,
Midnight's Sorrow wrote:Vote Count D-1 #2
(4) Elfen- LordChronos, The Kool, cloudocean, Espeonage
(2) SleepyKrew- Necessary Evil, Kalofer
(1) Kalofer- SleepyKrew
(1) The Kool- CooLskins
(5) Not voting- WingDamage9001, Quinnster, Elfen, Supreme Overlord, Panzerjager
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is June 3rd, Midnight Central.
Prodding, Supreme Overlord and Panzerjager...
Summary:
So from this my reads don't change that much. Although kool looks worse then he did before and elfin still looks like a noob. Interesting thing is that panzer has really posted in this time, and neither have the other lurkers. At this point sk is looking townie,but I have a feeling that's going to change.
this thing starts at page 1 and goes to page 5, expect more later when I (cooldog) have more time...
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hiplop wrote:that wasnt much of a wall coolskins
yeah, because I was originally going to post all of the parts in one section. Then I found out that it would take me longer to re-read then I thought so I just posted what I had.
I find kool's reasons to be rather weak. After day-1 you should have solid reasons to back up your reads.
SleepyKrew wrote:So you can defend yourself, but not finish your reads? Interesante...
Don't you just hate it when somebody says the exact same thing that you wanted to say?
As for finishing my reads, that will take a while. I might enlist the help of bub to do a combo effort. The unfortunate thing is that my weekdays are busy, but my weekend are wide open. On a good Saturday I can read a whole game a comment on it. We will see how it goes. If I can get bub on here he will speed things up alot...
@mod, Bub got his computer fixed. Aparently it was due to windows xp not being able to write on a hard drive that was over 120gb or so. Crashed on start up (solution was to partition the drive)... anyway heisn'tv/la anymore.
Noted.
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First off I'm not going to have enough time to do my reads until tomorrow (Saturday)...
Panzerjager wrote:hiplop wrote:Panzers trying to seperate himself from the wagon. Could be scum? Maybe
Wrong, I'm attempting to derail it because it's probably wrong seeing how fast it picked up and with how little reasoning was behind it.
Sleepy has been acting scummy all game and I agree with Esp's assessment that Sleepy isn't cleared.
Hiplop is getting scummier by the minute. Also I feel he hopped on the wagon the scummiest by far, and once he thought it'd be safe and is now trying to say I'm scummy for realizing scum hopped on.
So many things wrong with this post.
Okay lets start out. NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD HAVE QUICK LYNCHED KOOL. However, good pressure on one of the scummiest players is warranted and will supply a lot of information.
So lets break down your logic on hip hop. So if a wagon is on one of your town reads the scummiest player on that wagon has to be scum. Score one for logic there... I read this as derailing wagon on a scum buddy. What does anybody else think of a kool/panzer scum team?
I'm tempted to vote panzer right now, but I want to do my reads (tomorrow, if I don't plz start a wagon on me to motivate me to do it. I have really slacked off on doing it), and confir with bub on this one.
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