CooLskins wrote:The Kool- mostly made from my other heads convincing. I know find him scummy after an iso/ re-read of him. reasons: No scum hunting at all. No effort put into finding scum. Bad reactions to votes. Scum motivation for posts. And lack of a definitive position (always going with the flow/ never makes up his onw mind)
Yes, I got a very bad start to this game. I'm actually starting to enjoy it now that I'm getting into the pace of things here, though.
And now, my promised Quinn/Ear read.
I was gonna say Quinn/Ear looked town to me, until I found this blatant contradiction. From there it just went downhill.
Quinnster wrote:Right now, it takes 7 to lynch. I'd worry if you were putting on the 4th or 5th. Nobody is going to poop their pants over a random vote, and if it started a bandwagon, you could still remove yourself. I always just assumed RVS was a part of the game, it gets things started.
Quinnster wrote:I don't believe there are yet, but I do believe that real discussion has started. Do I disagree with the pressure against elfen? No, I think he has some explaining to do.
I just don't want to misplace my vote right now.
Apologies if that seems like I'm trying to get everyone else to unvote. I'm really interested in this elfen/sleepykrew argument, especially with Necessary Evil's quick interjections. I understand trying to stir the pot, but he could be more specific.
In the second post, he was doing the EXACT SAME THING he was getting on my case about with the first.
Quinnster wrote:However, where I differ is that I believe Elfen to be unreadable at this point. If he had more experience and was playing this way, I'd call him scum right off, but right now he seems desperate. It's really hard to get a read on a desperate person, as they're grasping for straws in the same way scum without valid reasoning do. We've backed him into a corner and seen that he caves a bit under pressure. Good, now we know, let's move on.
It seems he was one of the ones to really advocate the backing off of Elfen, though oddly enough this was AFTER people had already backed off, and he didn't even say he was town. All he said was "He's desperate, okay, move on," as if mafia aren't far more likely to get desperate than townies. And then people moved on, and have forever since called Elfen town, mostly based on variations of that reasoning right there. Of course, this could mean he's right, but I get a bad vibe from it, so I'm including it.
Quinnster wrote:Oh I have my own town reads right now. I think Sleepykrew is town, based on the fact that he's been on the same train of thought I have. What I don't agree with is townhunting as an alternative to scumhunting. We need to be doing both, all the time.
That's a BS reason to think someone is town. Anybody can come up with the same reasons that people have already said, especially mafia. Thinking he is town because you agree with his reasoning is total BS, and makes you look scummy alongside him.
He has also gotten REALLY snarky at times, especially #247. This doesn't in itself mean he's mafia, but it's not helpful to the town. While getting rid of him because he isn't going to be helpful isn't valid anymore, because he was rep[laced, it still indicates that he didn't have a very pro-town mindset, which indicates that he didn't have a pro-town role.
#284, he instantly comes out trying to ingratiate himself with me with assurances that he's on my side, FAR more than he had ever done with anyone previously, or in fact than anyone else had done. He then tried to use this... lemme quote again.
Quinnster wrote:Okay, The Kool. Here's what it comes down to. I was asked why I find you so pro-town, so I went back and read your ISO. You're playing really scummy, and I honestly can't blame people for finding you suspicious. However, I don't want to waste today's lynch on someone I believe so strongly to be pro-town. I want you to claim. I suspect that you've been breadcrumbing, and that's the only reason I have for finding you pro-town. If you're a PR, claim now so we don't lose a townie today and another tonight.
Everything about this post is all wrong. He says he find me town, but that he can't find any reason for it, and I look totally scummy, but he still believes beyond a doubt that I am town. He then tries to get my role, especially if I have a PR, for BOGUS reasoning! According to his earlier statements about bandwagons, he has no need to be concerned that I'm going to get lynched, and having me claim a power role, if I am one, only assures that the mafia will be able to kill a power role tonight, instead of having to guess.
He then comes back, when called on this post, to say he can't defend himself, and he isn't even going to try, and plays the stupid card. He says his actions were inexcusable. He then says that he is willing to die for this mistake. That is something townies sometimes are, but in my experience, only the stupid or the mafia ever say, as a last resort to make people think they really are town. Either case, if they really are willing to die, we might as well oblige them.
When asked for a read, he comes back with less than half a dozen posts of reference (#335).
We then get no further read on him, because he seeks a replacement, and Ear refuses to vouch for him. Ear plays better town, but he's asking us to ignore Quinn and all his mistakes and slip-ups, in the hope that he can do things better.
Honestly, this is a far stronger read than I ever had on Kalofer, but that doesn't mean I suspect Kal any less. If we start voting for Ear, I'll vote for him too at first opportunity, but right now my vote is on Kal with the rest of the majority. Better him then me, right?