Mini 1167 - iPod Mafia - Game Over

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Sorry, I'll get a real post up this evening.

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LLD and I are alignment confirmed masons.

Wait, actually?

I don't see any pro-town reason to ask this question.

I am curious what reason LLD would NOT want to know this, it is not like scum can figure out PRs by genre and

if we have some kind of namecop

it is in our best interest to confirm that all town are rock.
VOTE: LLD

Someone needs to more carefully read the rules regarding Unvoting ...

Not sure exactly why, but this post, especially the bolded, feels off.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

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Eh...forgot to ask one thing. Nopoint, why are you voting GreyICE?

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ThAd's question about you and LLD doesn't seem to have any protown purpose.

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But is it a scumtell?
Aka, does it say anything about his alignment?

Oh, I think it makes him at least a little more likely to be scum.

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Really, isn't it obvious? Scum do want to know if you're actually a mason, and town wouldn't want power roles outed so early.

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Really, isn't it obvious? Scum do want to know if you're actually a mason, and town wouldn't want power roles outed so early.

I don't think it's that black and white. Given that they have outed themselves I want to make sure they aren't joking/are telling the truth.

How does that help town, though? I see it being much more pro-scum.

@Surye: Do you think ThAd was rolefishing?

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Sorry guys, friday was crazy.

Wishy washy double vote just after I expressed suspicion of him.He is aware that the authority is onto his ass, but tries his best not to over-commit.

Unvote.Vote:GreyIce
Unvote.Vote:Glass
Unvote.Vote:GreyIce
Unvote.Vote:Glass
Unvote.Vote:GreyIce
Unvote.Vote:Glass
Unvote.Vote:GreyIce
Unvote.Vote:Glass

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There's no authority on my ass cuz I'm the authority. Are you concerned that I voted you over Ice? If so why not ask for a reason?

I think he's asking: why would you call something a "wishy washy double vote" and then vote two different players yourself? Isn't that just as wishy washy?

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Time for a wall of one-liners. Surye really gives me a "you caught me for bad reasons" vibe right now. Here are several examples:

Whooooooooooooa Katsuki. What's the deal? LLD and Katsuki jumped on me hard for one post:

Woah, Fate at L-3 already? There must be some meta I am missing

During RVS everyone is talking about Fate, fake dayvigging fate, etc, etc. I have no idea what's going on, and I post. Suddenly OBVSCUM!!!1!!!

Also your commentary on the Fate wagon was loltastic.

From page 1? Loooool. Lets take page 1 that serious.

Because I've been the target of many all caps posts, with no cases. And it's frustrating to play on a L-1 wagon with no case, just LOLOL LYNCH SURYE, WE ARE CONFIRMED MASON SO EVERYONE LISTEN TO US LOLOL.

Your reaction to the Fatetown wagon was scummy as fuck.

Then Fate pointed out a pretty good point against you in his vote.

How is that scummy? That makes no sense. You can't just call something scummy and it is.

And as Grey pointed out, he seems to be looking for antitown, easy to attack actions rather than actually scummy actions.

Scum have shared information town does not. The fact that you KNOW this won't help, and won't even entertain the idea, are using it as a crusade against me, and

say scummy things like "I'll self-vote"

tells me your level of confidence can only come from information. And your push for something you are now running me up the flagpole with in TONS of your posts in this game is all the more scummy. I love my vote right now.

I don't think selfvoting is a scumtell, just a way for scum to try for a policy-style lynch.

Surye, what reason (flavor-wise) do you have for the gravedigger role?

I think he's asking: why would you call something a "wishy washy double vote" and then vote two different players yourself? Isn't that just as wishy washy?

I supposed it's a bit. But his has a clear motivation, while I just didn't know who to vote becuz both GI and Glass has scummy points of their own. What I'm concerned about was Glass' 2nd post sheeping GI role speculation. His non-chalance makes it very scummy, but if that's the case then GI would probably be town ( who would sheep their scumbuddy in a non-chalant way? )

What was this "clear motivation" again? I see no reason that Grey didn't just want to vote both players.

BTW, I don't buy the GreyICE case at all, and I'm not really sold on Katsuki, either.

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Hey, I'm just trying to make it abundantly clear if it is true or false.

And what protown reason would there be for finding out if they're truly masons?

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Is he a VI?

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Is he a VI?

No dude. You just asked the question "what town reason could there be for RBT to ask whether Katsuki was an alignment confirmed mason before voting for Katsuki."

Sure, the question was pretty bad, but that question was horrible.

He's never really expressed suspicion of Katsuki, though.

@Surye: What reason (flavor-wise) do you have for the gravedigger role?

I still don't buy the Katsuki slip.

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What was this "clear motivation" again? I see no reason that Grey didn't just want to vote both players.

It was when I expressed suspicion of him. His motivation then would be OGMUS, not because he truly thinks I'm scum.

I don't buy this OMGUS thing. It seems like more of an easy way to discredit someone than something people actually do.

UNVOTE: ThAdmiral
VOTE: Katsuki

I can buy Fate's case.

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The part about using role meta from other games to push Surye's lynch, and calling Fate town after just one content post.

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The part about using role meta from other games to push Surye's lynch, and calling Fate town after just one content post.

Role meta from other games is really not bad, if someone claims vig are you going to say: "vig is normally a town role but NOT THIS GAME". I would love to hear what katsuki's response is to having a town read on fate after one post though, because that is interesting.

It depends on the role-- some are definitely town or scum, but Surye's role could be either. Saying that a gravedigger is scum is more like saying a roleblocker is scum, when it really might be either alignment.

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Also, do you agree with the second part?

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I missed that, sorry.

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@Crazy: Why couldn't they both be town?

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VOTE: AGar

I don't really see the point in massclaiming yet. If AGar flips town, we might as well give remaining power roles an extra day or two to use their abilities.

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VOTE: AGar

I don't really see the point in massclaiming yet. If AGar flips town, we might as well give remaining power roles an extra day or two to use their abilities.

I still think the vig should claim, so we know what we are hunting. If no vig, we have to find the SK.

SK could easily claim vig, though.

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About half of Fate's case looks decent, the other half of it looks he's ridiculously exaggerating anything that looks slightly like scum play. Specifically this entire post.
Katsuki's mockery looks like scum as well though...
Let's see where this goes.
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VOTE: Katsuki

I'd be willing to bet that exactly one of Fate and Katsuki is scum. I just can't see Fate lying about seeing a scumteammate scumslip when he didn't even see one himself (aka bussing).

Something I noticed about a relatively difficult-to-read player: I don't think CP would say there is one scum in Fate/Katsuki and then vote Kat if she was his buddy. It would make more sense for him to either vote Fate or say it looked like bussing.

Fate and Surye are also pretty clear town IMO for interactions with Katsuki. And ThAd and RBT placed late wagon votes, which wouldn't be very smart on Day 1. That leaves AGar and nopoint.

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Bulletproof is a scum claim you idiot.

So why didn't you try to make any kind of a case to convince ThAd? I feel like he should have thought that hammer through a little more, but with your play, I don't really blame him.

In hindsight, I feel kind of stupid about the AGar lynch. I had a town read on him going into Night 1, but eventually changed my mind.

Oh well. Good game everyone, especially Fate. Thanks for modding, MOI.

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Now AGar and Glass are gonna have to find new scumspects cause THADMIRAL JUST HAMMERED SCUM WITHOUT A CLAIM

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Really? Because I find the hammer hella suspicious, thank you very much.

Kats was pushing and pushing and made several consecutive posts without a rebuttal or a claim. Perfect for a scumbag to slide in and hammer going "She wasn't going to claim, she was just stalling lulz."

Fate, you're losing your touch.

This was the post that made me decide to give AGar the invention Night 1. He was sticking to his incorrect reads even after Katsuki's hammer. But by Day 3, it wasn't a strong enough town tell to keep me from voting him.

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And my record as town just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Would anyone be interested in a musically-themed game where you can choose your song?