Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Katsuki]

/starts handing out vodka and rum-infused cupcakes.

[Katsuki]

Any other questions?

If the recruiters are unlynchable, does that mean they will start by recruiting someone during pregame so that we have targets to hunt and lynch on day 1?

I assume they start with someone on their team? We had no N0, and well, D1 would be pointless otherwise.

[Katsuki]

I've been really sick as of late... and my head has been killing me today.

Expect low levels of activity until I get better.

[Katsuki]

Haven't read game yet. Erg.

Though, optimal play seems clear to me. Lurk until my eventual mislynch.

>.>b

[Katsuki]

I have a feeling that the CR wouldn't recruit ANYONE high-profile for D1, if not to avoid even the slightest chance of losing D1.

Discuss.

[Katsuki]

@Cobbler: Claiming this early is stupid, especially as a town-PR in a dualing cult game.

[Katsuki]

@Dry-Fit: Mainly its because Katsuki was a cult recruiter from a Reck game, and used lurking to win the game. I would assume Katsuki would try to do the same as a recruit.

That had a lot to do with RL circumstances rather than intended lurking...

[Katsuki]

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE STILL VOTING COBBLERFONE?

THIS.

Neither ABR nor Kinetic are crazy enough to take cobbler D1.

Vig bait / no real tactical benefit for later days.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki- Feeling better yet? I expect more posts from you than this.

Feeling better, thanks. Got finals coming up though... (starting Friday).

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

[Katsuki]

I've had surprisingly little to comment on, hence virtually no posting.

You are not voting.

Vote.

Who's scum?

[Katsuki]

Pick one.

xvart
Yosarian
Tanain
Seraphim
RaudhGarm
Magister Ludi
Herodotus
bvoigt
Chronopie

xvart is the leading wagon.

I'm spose to find 2 scum from that giant list?? :/

I'm no good at this kinda stuff.

[Katsuki]

I just have trouble believing that anyone would recruit Yosarian, the "most likely" recruit/arguably best player on a make or break night, instead of waiting until another night.

Because Yos would probably be able to talk his way out of any lynch today.

Vote: Yos

[Katsuki]

I believe neither recruiter would have recruited Yos - but both are paranoid about the fact that the other could have recruited Yos .. So will definitely use their recruits to see if Yos was recruited or to lynch him ..

Yosarian2 - 4 (Magister Ludi, populartajo, Cobblerfone, Zdenek, Katsuki)

I'll need to read the Magister'+tajos' posts again ..

I don't think it's possible for a CR to not be able to recruit N0. This would mean that either they had one sure pick each, or two choices each.

WIFOM it up, and we'd be assuming Yos is NOT picked D1. A clever plan if any.

[Katsuki]

Because Yos would probably be able to talk his way out of any lynch today.
Vote: Yos

If Yos can talk his way out of any lynch, what do you expect your vote to do?

DERP?

[Katsuki]

Katsuki- From your posts, you've hardly commented on anything. There are plenty of posts left to comment on.

I honestly have virtually nothing to comment on.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki- From your posts, you've hardly commented on anything. There are plenty of posts left to comment on.

I honestly have virtually nothing to comment on.

This is a problem. How do we fix this?

Culted players should probably claim. That would help me greatly.

[Katsuki]

I just have trouble believing that anyone would recruit Yosarian, the "most likely" recruit/arguably best player on a make or break night, instead of waiting until another night.

Because Yos would probably be able to talk his way out of any lynch today.

Vote: Yos

Classic WIFOM.

Everything in this game is a giant pool of WIFOM. We're literally swimming in wine.

[Katsuki]

^^ That's no less information than when roles are assigned randomly. Even if you are 100% unwilling to try to outguess the recruiters, that only means you start with no informaiton. But then you have about 25 pages to consider. So it can't be worse than a non-cult game (except for the presumably small number of scum).

That's pretty much what sucks about this day. We're looking for 2 scum out of 23.

[Katsuki]

Sorry guys, been busy with finals.

Haven't caught up at all, but Yos or Chrono lynch would be fine for me.

[Katsuki]

Only have two to list, which I already did.

Yos
Chrono

[Katsuki]

We have 4 days left. We gotta speed this thing up.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Chronopie

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Yos

BY THE BY, I DOUBT ANY OF THE PLAYERS WHO REPLACED OUT TODAY GOT RECRUITED, SO THEY'RE NOT UP FOR ROPE TODAY, AND PROBABLY ARE POOR CHOICES FOR VIG'ING TONIGHT ANYWAYS.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Yos

BY THE BY, I DOUBT ANY OF THE PLAYERS WHO REPLACED OUT TODAY GOT RECRUITED, SO THEY'RE NOT UP FOR ROPE TODAY, AND PROBABLY ARE POOR CHOICES FOR VIG'ING TONIGHT ANYWAYS.

You know, using all caps for one sentence doesn't actually make you look like you are sooo passionate or so invested in what you are saying considering you haven't done anything all game.

Anything else you wanna say?

I think the most frustrating part of all of this is all the clowns in this game sitting around hoping to get recruited and not playing to their current win condition.

I'm starting to see why people have been calling for your neck.

players to vig N1

People playing as expected of recruited scum:

• Chronopie
  
• ThAdmiral
  
• NobodySpecial
  
• SpringLullaby
  
• Katsuki
  
• Battousai
  
• Dry-Fit
  
• Seraphim
  
• Zdnek
  
• bvoigt

Andy - I expect you to know what to do tomorrow.

Since there has been no logical or reasonable argument for waiting to vig if anyone claims vig and hasn't shot then that person is a) recruited; b) waiting to be recruited and should be lynched without mercy. Also, from a recruiter standpoint you would want to recruit someone who isn't likely to get lynched or be seen as someone who would likely be recruited. Then, once you are out of the risk river of losing D1, you would go for the smart, capable people who can help craft the game state in your teams favor N1.

Come to think of it, a vig list is extremely anti-town.

Unvote, Vote: xvart

<2days UNTIL LYNCH, LETS GET THIS GOING.

[Katsuki]

<2days UNTIL LYNCH, LETS GET THIS GOING.

Again, I'm glad to see you finally get a spark and get excited and act like you believe in what you have not been saying all game. But I don't think it is sincere since the timing is immediately after I called you out and right before the deadline when you are safe from being lynched but still in danger of being vigged.

I said that we should lynch a week or so ago to give us more time to debate D2 when we'd have more information, but no one wants to listen to me. Instead, they take your route, and go

"Kat no imput, Kat say nothing all game"

.

Apparently no one bothered to read that there are bankable days in play.

[Katsuki]

EBWOP: Everyone ignored my post calling for a lynch over a week ago.

[Katsuki]

Ridiculous this game.

Unvote, Vote: Chrono

V/LA until 22nd, GOOFBASH

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, who do you think was recruited last night?

If they wern't already, I can see Ooba and yourself being said recruits.

Vote: YOS

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, who do you think was recruited last night?

If they wern't already, I can see Ooba and yourself being said recruits.

Vote: YOS

Wait... wait... what? You imply that Yos2 and ooba may have already been recruited, and if they weren't, they were recruited last night? Yet you are voting for Yos2? Why do you think ooba may have been recruited already?

X

Where did Yos come from, and where did Herodotus go?

xvart, you're not even trying here. Read my post, then get back to me.

[Katsuki]

HOLY HELL
THOSE DGB/CR INTERACTIONS ARE TERRIBAD.
WE HAVE CULT HERE FOLKS.

VOTE: DGB

[Katsuki]

Funny thing being, Cobbler has only ever played one game with me before.

No wonder there is a Cobbler wagon, but lynching bad player is not the way to go when we're suppose to be lynching scum.
Like DGB for example.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, what makes you so sure that DGB is culted? And by whom?

No idea by whom, but her "WOE IS ME, VOTE ME I AM CULT" reaction with kinetic's supposed results seem extremely fake to me.

ABR was on the sidelines saying nothing, so not much to read into that.

I am against listening to what the CRs have to say at all, and I can't see someone like DGB who is usually sensible interacting like she did with Kinetic as town.

Kats, I have a town read on DGB.

Cobbler is doing things that even dumb town wouldn't do.

Read Speed Mafia. Cobbler had no problems painting him as scum without any help from us scum.

I did miss the last week, but I'm curious as to this DGB town-read.

[Katsuki]

I'll be fine with either a DGB or Tanarin lynch today.

Vote: DGB

Those voting Cobbler need to do something more useful with their votes. Such as moving them to either DGB or tanarin.

@LLD: I have never seen DGB play like this as town before, and I have played many many games with her.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, who do you think was recruited last night?

If they wern't already, I can see Ooba and yourself being said recruits.

Vote: YOS

Wait... wait... what? You imply that

Yos2

Herodotus

and ooba may have already been recruited, and if they weren't, they were recruited last night? Yet you are voting for Yos2? Why do you think ooba may have been recruited already?

X

Where did Yos come from, and where did Herodotus go?

xvart, you're not even trying here. Read my post, then get back to me.

I've corrected my error which should have been obvious by the context of the rest of the post. And for the record, next time I want a lesson on trying in this game I will certainly not ask you for guidance. Now if you could get back to me on the corrected post above.

What about my post was not clear? I was saying that I believed that Hero and Ooba would be early recruits (both likely recruited at the time Hero asked me that question).

[Katsuki]

Ludi, how is Hero confirmed innocent?

p-edit: ninja x2

[Katsuki]

I'll be fine with either a DGB or Tanarin lynch today.

Vote: DGB

Those voting Cobbler need to do something more useful with their votes. Such as moving them to either DGB or tanarin.

@LLD: I have never seen DGB play like this as town before, and I have played many many games with her.

Katsuki, do you think DBG is a likely Kinetic recruit?

Given what I saw yesterday, it certainly is possible.

[Katsuki]

I'll be fine with [...] a [...] Tanarin lynch today.

Haha,

Are you reading the game at all?

Enough to know that you're scum.

[Katsuki]

I'll be fine with [...] a [...] Tanarin lynch today.

Haha,

Are you reading the game at all?

Enough to know that you're scum.

YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVIDE THE

PROOF

OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS

VOTE STAYS

Said proof exists in my iso.

[Katsuki]

I was thinking in the shower.

Anyone thinking I might be a Kinetic recruit needs to have their heads examined. First off, Kinetic tried to frame me with BS yesterday. Second, his recruit Porochaz tried really hard to have me lynched.

So we know two things. (1) I'm not a Kinetic recruit, and (2) the Kinetic cult is really convinced I'm an ABR recruit, and they have to get me dead during the day, which suggests that they do not have a NK.

We can infer a third thing. That is, if there are Kinetic recruits alive, they're going to bark for my lynch.

Tajo.
Katsuki.

I should add that being wagoned daily is a blessing in this game.

Blah blah the fact you even reacted to the stuff Kinetic said, let alone that overly fake reaction, points to you being scum. The entire air of your posts is more similar to OOT DGBscum.

[Katsuki]

Flameaxe, who's scum other than cobbler?

[Katsuki]

Flameaxe, who's scum other than cobbler?

PROTIP, READING. I JUST ANSWERED THIS QUESTION AN HOUR AGO.

I don't see it.

My eyes are poor, help me out by making a nice list for me!

[Katsuki]

1911, 1912. Tell me if you have as much trouble reading post numbers as you do reading the game.

Reading your posts, it feels like you're not bothering to read mine at all.

[Katsuki]

However, I want you to explain why you think Cobbler is a bad place for a vote today?

I find it highly unlikely that cobbler was recruited N0, given his play (from what I have seen from other games) and all. Plus other players availiable for recruiting.
Considering all the pressure he received D1, I doubt he was recruited thereafter.

As such, your vote would be much better served on DGB, who's constant rhetoric is

"blah blah Kinetic blah so I can't possibly be skum!"

, and

"town are all idiots, you all suck"

. Her play this game is near identical to the later stages of OOT mafia, where she was scum.

[Katsuki]

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG

No.

Maybe if you vote for scum we can.
Hint: DGB is scum.

[Katsuki]

DGB, that setup was a broken piece of shut anyway.

Anyway, Katsuki is being weird...

And DGB is town~

I don't get why you continuously refuse to see the scum in front of you.

Go look at DGB towards the later days of OOT mafia. Then come back and look.

[Katsuki]

Anyone else notice the drastic change in LLD's play since day one?

This is good stuff. ^^^

DGB's argument against Katsuki is that she seems to not be paying attention to anything and wants her lynched as a Kinetic recruit. I don't have very strong feelings about this. I'll have to look harder at Katsuki.

The "not paying attention" isn't the main case, it

supports

the main case.

Kinetic tried to frame me and failed.

Next up, Porochaz tunneled on me and nothing else. He was Kinetic's recruit. By tunneling on me, he gave away that the Kinetic cult is after me. They really have a bee in their bonnet about ME. Which means that there is definitely ONE (and much less probably TWO) player today that is a Kinetic recruit carrying on with the Kinetic-cult plan that I need to be lynched at all cost.

Katsuki and tajo are the two possible candidates for this. The fact that Katsuki isn't paying attention to anything at all, except what I believe is following Kinetic's orders, strongly point to Katsuki being culted. Just like he would if he'd be recruited by what he might perceive to be a star player.

"Oh yes Mr. Kinetic, Sir, yes, I will give a DGB lynch my all, at your service Sir."

Katsuki didn't have a problem with me all of Day 1.

Then on June 24:

HOLY HELL
THOSE DGB/CR INTERACTIONS ARE TERRIBAD.
WE HAVE CULT HERE FOLKS.

VOTE: DGB

That was late in the day that Kinetic tried to frame me (day 2). Kinetic tried to frame me right off the bat at daybreak, on June 18.

Tajo.

Tajo had me firmly as town on June 5. But after Kinetic tried to frame me, tajo REACTS to Kinetic's post (as evidenced by the sadface emoticon):

VOTE: DGB

Then minutes later, he distances himself from Kinetic.

FTR, MY REASON HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KINETIC

SECRET SCUMTELL FROM DGB

TIMELINE

Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:25 am FLAY OPEND THREAD for Day 2.
Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:56 am TAJO votes Yosarian.
Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:53 pm Porochaz's first post, and vote of the day.
Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:05 pm Kinetic starts to frame me with lies.
Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:09 am Ludi votes me "(

plus whatever the heck Kinetic is talking about, but don't factor that into anything

)".

ThaD, Tanarin, Yosarin, bvoigt, SL, weren't Kinetic cultists on Day 2.

=======================

What are the chances that Kinetic had two recruits (Porochaz + X) and failed to recruit me by Day 2?

WOW I wonder WHY it took me so many days after the stuff took place for me to make a post... Maybe it was because I was AT YOUR HOUSE for GOOFBASH and thus V/LA.

The fact you're trying to use timestamps against me considering that you KNEW where I was AND had me UNDER YOUR EYES (literally) is not town-DGB mindset AT ALL.

You're taking anything you can right now to try and push for my lynch. Pity it's failing since all you can do is fabricate supposed "evidence".

[Katsuki]

KASTUKI:

@Katuski: Why would you be fine with a DGB or Tanarin lynch? Given that you said this in response to a question about DGB possibly being Kinetic recruit:
"
Given what I saw yesterday, it certainly is possible.

"
Why would you even consider another lynch if you have inside information (or did I misread the above?) about the possibility of DGB been recruited?

Where did inside information come from?
I've been calling DGB scum based on play.

[Katsuki]

DGB, you're the one purposefully being obtuse, not me.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, what is your profession in this game?

Same as you.

And I think you've been serving yourself this game rather than your customers.

I'll be busy the next day or two, so no guarentees as to activity.

[Katsuki]

V//AL 8th

[Katsuki]

Hey all. Sorry about my absenses as of late. I won't have much/any internet access for the next week, so I'll be

requesting replacement.

Apologies, Flay.

Before I leave though, want to get these things out:

SCUMSCUMSCUM:

DGB

- Trust me on this one, I've played with DGB too many times. I don't get why no one is seeing it with her play this game, especially her reactions to both kinetic (extremely fake), and to me. DGB NEEDS ROPE BAD.
Tanarin - Posts at beginning of day are terrible.
SL - Probably scum

REQUIRE EYES ON THEM:

LLD - She's behaving extremely wierdly, especially towards DGB.
OOBA - Extremely low profile.
Batt - Done nothing all game


Happy cult hunting.

[Katsuki]

For the record, there was no selective V/LA'ing on my part.
I was V/LA for all of my games during the span I was V/LA here.

My only regret was that I did not know how little time I would have and not replacing out much earlier.

[Katsuki]

Oh hey Yos was cult all along..

[Katsuki]

Still even after that had been sorted it was still wasn't great. (partially because of the Katsuki incident, which in all fairness to ABR accidents happen) ABR didn't explain to me what was going on then and then the next day no discussion was had with Katsuki.

Yeah the lack of discussion really was disappointing.

_____________________

Also DGB, why would you use GOOFBASH timestamps against me?!?!